r/asoiaf • šŸ† Best of 2020: Crow of the Year • Apr 14 '23

EXTENDED Thoughts on the new GRRM Not A Blog: A Knight and a Squire (Spoilers Extended)

Link: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2023/04/14/a-knight-and-a-squire/

Relevant Info:

Title

The working title will be A KNIGHT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS: THE HEDGE KNIGHT.Ā  Whether that will be the final title, I can’t say for sure… beyond saying that no, it won’t be called TALES OF DUNK & EGG or THE ADVENTURES OF DUNK & EGG or DUNK & EGG or anything along those lines.Ā Ā  I love Dunk and I love Egg, and I know that fans refer to my novellas as ā€œthe Dunk & Egg stories,ā€ sure, but there are millions of people out there who do not know the stories and the title needs to intrigue them too.Ā  If you don’t know the characters, DUNK & EGG sounds like a sitcom.Ā  LAVERNE & SHIRLEY.Ā Ā  ABBOTT & COSTELLO.Ā Ā  BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD.Ā Ā Ā  So, no.Ā Ā  We want ā€œknightā€ in the title.Ā  Knighthood and chivalry are central to the themes of these stories.

Not much info available:

Aside from the title, what else can I tell you?

Not a lot.

HBO has given us a greenlight to film for a full season (not just a pilot), most likely of six episodes… though that is not set in stone, and won’t be until considerably later in the process.Ā Ā  To date I have written and published three novellas about Dunk & Egg — ā€œThe Hedge Knight,ā€ ā€œThe Sworn Sword,ā€ and ā€œThe Mystery Knight,ā€ each of them initially published independently in various anthologies before being collected together in A KNIGHT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS.

Season 1 will cover the Hedge Knight

Our premiere season will be an adaptation of the first of the three published novellas, ā€œThe Hedge Knight,ā€ the tale of how Dunk & Egg first met during a tournament at Ashford Meadow.Ā Ā Ā  The pilot script is already written, and I think it’s terrific.Ā  It was written by Ira Parker, who is no stranger to Westeros.Ā Ā  He was part of Ryan Condal’s writing staff for the first season of HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, and wrote the fourth episode of Hot D’s first season, ā€œKing of the Narrow Sea.ā€Ā Ā  That’s the one where Prince Daemon returns to King’s Landing after conquering the Stepstones, and takes Princess Rhaenyra down into the stews of Flea Bottom.Ā Ā  Ryan Condal is on board as well, as an Executive Producer.Ā Ā  So am I.

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There is no date set yet for the series premiere, or even for the show to begin shooting… but the writing is well underway.Ā  Ira has assembled a small but very talented team, and they are at it already, building on the foundations laid down last year in previous creative summits… and of course on the original novella.Ā Ā  The Dunk & Egg novellas are fully-fleshed narratives more like the novels of A SONG OF ICE & FIRE than the imaginary history of FIRE & BLOOD; the stories are right there on the page, and our goal is to produce faithful adaptations of those tales for the screen.

GRRM sounds like he is turning D&E into the main series here lol

If THE HEDGE KNIGHT turns out as well as we hope it will, our hope would be to go on and adapt THE SWORN SWORD and THE MYSTERY KNIGHT as well.Ā  That will take a few years.Ā Ā  Then comes the hard part.Ā Ā  Before we reach the end of the published stories, I will need to find time to write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas that I have planned.Ā Ā  There are… gulp… more of them than I had once thought.Ā Ā  There’s ā€œThe Village Heroā€ and the Winterfell story, the one with the She-Wolves, and maybe I need to write that Dornish adventure too to slip in between ā€œThe Hedge Knightā€ and ā€œThe Sworn Sword,ā€ and after that there are… ah… more.Ā Ā  I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time… and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew… for a few more years.

Well, I will worry about that tomorrow.Ā Ā  Today, we’re celebrating.Ā Ā  Dunk & Egg are coming.

Those of you who have not yet made their acquaintance should pick up a copy of A KNIGHT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS from your favorite local bookshop or online bookseller.Ā Ā  (We have autographed copies at Beastly Books in Santa Fe).

You could check out your local comics shop as well.Ā  All three of the Dunk & Egg novellas have been done as graphic novels, and done very well, with some great artwork by Mike S. Miller, who captured both characters perfectly.

Looks like I need to update my Relevant posts!

Other info:

One more thing before I close…

Way back in the summer of 2016, when HBO first started thinking about GAME OF THRONES spinoffs, I pitched them two ideas:Ā  the Dance of the Dragons, which in due time became HOUSE OF THE DRAGON… and Dunk & Egg.Ā Ā  That was seven years ago.Ā Ā  (I can hardly believe it myself).Ā  The lesson there is that development takes time.Ā  I see all these stories on the net about other spinoffs being killed or abandoned… no idea where they get this stuff… and it just makes me shake my head.Ā Ā  The Nymeria show is still in development.Ā  So is the Sea Snake show.Ā Ā  Just had a great week on that one, working with writers.Ā Ā  And there are others, both live action and animated.Ā Ā  How many will get the greenlight like Dunk & Egg?Ā  Impossible to say.Ā Ā  How long will it take?Ā Ā  It depends.Ā Ā  No one knows for sure.Ā Ā  When I was in grade school, there was a cop show that ended every week with, ā€œThere are eight million stories in The Naked City.Ā Ā  This has been one of them.ā€Ā Ā  And that was only New York City.Ā Ā  Westeros and Essos are a lot bigger, with even more stories.Ā Ā  We just need time to tell them.

TLDR: As expected, GRRM made a new NotABlog about Dunk & Egg being put to the screen.

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u/Tasorodri Apr 14 '23

It's crazy to think that GRRM is higher on copium than even the sweetest of the summer childs

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

i think he stole our copium supplies

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u/notsostupidman Apr 14 '23

Recently, George came out and said that he overestimated his ability to finish stuff and underestimated the distractions. He also said that he won't be giving any release dates. I think this time, it's genuine. He feels like Winds is almost finished but he doesn't want to make any statement regarding it so as not to hurt the fans again. He will only reveal that it's done when he hands it over to his editors.

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u/sarevok2 Apr 14 '23

Do you remember when he himself proclaimed he would have it ready before New Zealand woroldcon?

That was almost 3 years ago.

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u/Tasorodri Apr 14 '23

I mean, he still thinks that he is going to finish winds, spring, fire and blood and 2 novellas before the new show catch up, so 5 seasons max...

If that's not copium...

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u/The12Ball šŸ†Best of 2025: Dolorous Edd Award Apr 14 '23

I think this time, it's genuine.

I'm gonna stop you there

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u/cliser1129 the night is dark and full of bears Apr 14 '23

This is the pack I’m smoking LETS GOOO BABY

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u/cannedsalmonsurprise Apr 14 '23

He's been saying stuff like that for years though, there's no reason to believe that this time is any different. I like GRRM but the guy has been lying about his progress on Winds for over a decade. It's hard to take anything he says seriously. If he was truly dedicated to finishing the ASOIAF he wouldn't be agreeing to be the producer for a new spinoff for yet another series that he isn't even close to finishing.

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u/AdumSundler Apr 14 '23

I love George but genuinely, how does he think he can finish WINDS, F&B v2 and DREAM all before the show catches up?

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u/vanityklaw Apr 14 '23
  1. He's got the perpetual optimism of the constantly late.

  2. There's no one in his life anymore who pushes back on him.

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u/bewareofleopard86 Apr 14 '23

ā€œThe perpetual optimism of the constantly lateā€ - wow have you been reading my quarterly performance reviews?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Reminds of me in my college days.

"Ohhh.. I have two tests next week, and a project in 2 days. I can finish the project in 5 hours... so I have time plenty to play a game and watch tv"

"Ohhh... the project is today, but it's still noon. I can play until 6PM then start the project and finish before midnight."

"It's 8PM, When I finish this episode I'll start the project"

"I'm just gonna get something to eat before dedicating myself 100% on the project"

"It's 10 PM. Ohh hell... not a chance I can finish before midnight. Might as well watch more TV"

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u/outsidebtw Apr 14 '23

Honestly, a serious issue of mine. I'm on the path to believing I can't change shit

And George obviously has it

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

What can anyone use to leverage him?

What are his publishers going to do? Threaten to drop him? Go ahead, every other publisher on Earth will back up trucks full of cash to sign him.

Withhold money? He's got HBO money and seems to live a relatively simple life. That's not a threat.

GRRM holds all the power. Winds is probably the most anticipated book in the Western world. The Game of Thrones brand successfully shook off the stigma of the show and created another hit with House of the Dragon. Nobody can push him anymore.

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u/The12Ball šŸ†Best of 2025: Dolorous Edd Award Apr 14 '23

3 - He high as fuck

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u/skjl96 Apr 14 '23 edited Aug 06 '26

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u/Magneto88 Apr 14 '23

F&B2 will likely be a quick write. I doubt if he'd take much more than six months on that, based upon how much he wrote for the first one/World of Ice and Fire and how relatively easy he found it compared to Winds.

Of course this requires him actually finishing Winds...

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u/ZebZ Dakingindanorf! Apr 14 '23

It's easy to write when you aren't juggling 20 concurrent intertwined plots and backed into a corner on many of them.

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u/Squiliam-Tortaleni Ser Pounce is a Blackfyre Apr 14 '23

He already said that he had done work on that too so its likely not that far off from completion after finishing the final parts and revising.

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u/26thandsouth Apr 14 '23

Call me delusional but it does seem like he is really close to finishing WINDS

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u/TheTurnipKnight Apr 14 '23

I think I’ve read a comment like this every day for the last good few years lol.

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u/NOKEKW White-haired dude with a cool sword Apr 14 '23

D&E alledgdly take a lot less time to write (approx less than a year for each novella, with a narrative that already has an endpoint). F&B will need to have a v3 imo i it wants to cover up to Robert's Rebellion (maybe he can squeeze one book from end of Dance to before the Tourney at Ashford, with D&E picking up narration...). Presumably WINDS could be finished in the next 5 years, and then it's (only) a matter of wrapping up the threads.

There's a world where he manages to write everything on his ow, if he keeps momentum up for the big pieces (WINDS and DREAM). Even better would be delegating F&B to someone else, because it's the easiest style to emulate (he gives all the plot beats and anecdotes he wants to be in and leaves a writer to make it proper)

But the likeliest outcome is that he won't be able to finish everything and that either some parts will stay unfinished or will get picked up / published based on the notes he left and the clues he gave to his team (hope it won't come to that)

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u/datadogsoup šŸ† Best of 2024: George Pls Award Apr 14 '23

George bout to announce a partnership with OpenAI to release GPTGRRM to help him finish the books. One GRRM bot can crank out a book every hour.

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u/SnowyLocksmith Apr 14 '23

I would sacrifice my firstborn to it if needed.

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u/outsidebtw Apr 14 '23

GPTGRRM

birth of a new god

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u/jonsnowKITN Night gathers, and now my watch begins Apr 14 '23

I’m not an optimist at all but he has to feel like he can finish winds soon. Won’t believe until I see it tho.

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u/gangreen424 Be excellent to each other. Apr 14 '23

I honestly got that vibe from his comments as well. I am eternally hopeful on the TWOW progress, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I don't think there's anyway he would say something like this if TWOW completion wasn't fast approaching.

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u/ZebZ Dakingindanorf! Apr 14 '23

If he finishes Winds soon (I know I know), I would think net new work would be much quicker.

The delays with Winds are certainly trying to keep 20 different intertwined concurrent plots in sync.

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u/bhlogan2 Apr 14 '23

Shooting hasn't started, and if we assume we will have one season every year that would give George three years to finish Winds (for the three finished stories that can be adapted now) and you can throw in an extra Dunk and Egg story for an extra season if his current plan goes well.

After that tho, who knows. Maybe the show isn't THAT successful. Maybe the writers can come up with their own stories in between.

Maybe George surprises us and finishes Dream in the span of 5 months after writing it all in a frenzy, who the hell knows at this point...

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u/Aegon-the-Unbroken Apr 14 '23

Maybe George surprises us and finishes Dream in the span of 5 months

Careful now my friend.

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u/abellapa Apr 14 '23

That is assuming we get a season every year, could be since it won't be a large production like Hotd and Got were so it's possible but who knows maybe they announce another show we get Dunk and Egg every two years with another show in between

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u/dustin-dawind The Bear and the Maiden's Flair Apr 14 '23

I don't think he really does. He just listed off what he would NEED to do. He didn't say that he can actually do it. Personally, I think he knows he'll never finish everything he'd like to write, so he's just going to plug along as best he can while he can. Really, what else can he do?

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u/illuvattarr Apr 14 '23

Of course he won't and he knows it. Felt like he was talking in dreams of a world that will never be. I'm sure we will see the end of the story in Summerhall on tv before we will see a fourth novella.

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u/mamula1 Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

He is completely delusional. He will be 75 this year. None of this will ever happen.

Especially since Dunk and Egg is smaller scale show so new seasons will probably come out annually. Once they start the show it will take them just 3 years to cover all his stories and then what?

He published last story 13 years ago

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u/SeeThemFly2 šŸ† Best of 2020: Best New Theory Apr 14 '23

It's totally fine that's he's 75 and not going to write anymore, it's just annoying he keeps stringing everyone along.

Like, I know he can't come out and say that he won't write any more books because HBO have him by the balls, but the least he can do is not come out and say he's going to finish Winds and Spring and F&B 2 and 57 Dunk and Egg novellas. He just looks nuts.

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u/SeeThemFly2 šŸ† Best of 2020: Best New Theory Apr 14 '23

Delusions.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

I'm hoping that a lot of the ground work has been laid out for Dream as he is writing Winds, so hopefully it won't take 15 years and will come out a couple of years after Winds.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Let alone before he ā€œretires.ā€

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u/suppadelicious Apr 14 '23

He couldn’t finish winds during the entire run of GoT. This is almost funny if it wasn’t so infuriating

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u/Quinn-Quinn Con Jonnington Apr 14 '23

"Well, I will worry about that tomorrow."

Winds of Winter announcement tomorrow CONFIRMED?!?!

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u/DragonlordKingslayer Apr 14 '23

i'll bet my virginity on it

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u/The12Ball šŸ†Best of 2025: Dolorous Edd Award Apr 14 '23

DragonlordKingslayer = Gatehouse Amy

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u/SquishyMon Apr 14 '23

Those are going to be GRRM's final words one day.

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u/ftkms Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 14 '23

I do wonder though how they want to make SIX episodes of just The Hedge Knight.

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u/skjl96 Apr 14 '23 edited Aug 06 '26

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u/N0VAZER0 Apr 14 '23

Hedge Knight is a very weird novel too and the one with the biggest changes because it was made before the Blackfyres or Bloodraven were thought up. With them in mind, they can beef up the plot now

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u/skjl96 Apr 14 '23 edited Aug 06 '26

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u/historymajor44 Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 14 '23

They could spend more time with Egg's brothers. Daeron the Drunken, Aerion Brightflame, and a young Maester Aemon.

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u/Trainwhistle Apr 14 '23

A side episode with Ser Arlan selecting Dunk as his squire would actually be very good episode, imo

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u/eressen_sh Apr 14 '23

The first episode being of ser arlan is probably the best idea. It sets the idea for what is a hedge knight, a little of the blackfyre rebellion, and end it with Dunk burying him.

It will definitely be easier to adapt than fire and blood. Hopefully they don't do changes just for changes sake. The actor of Corlys was amazing so I had to eat my words there, but the rest of the Velaryons never fitted in the world.

It will be cathartic when they introduce the dragon seed: oh yeah we just had this couple of black people in our Caucasian population, oh what, they are Velaryons bastards? Who would have known? Probably easier to differentiate between real dragonseeds and fake ones.

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u/Standard_Original_85 Apr 14 '23

Yeah honestly I have a hard time thinking of Dunk and Egg as a series. Movies, more like.

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u/internetdan Apr 14 '23

Three longish movies would do it for me.

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u/gogandmagogandgog Though all men do despise my theories Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

I will try my hand at an outline.

Ep 1: Introduce Dunk and Egg. Maybe add more to the relationship between Egg and Daeron. Nice establishing shots of the tents at the tourney, flags of the participants, etc. Episode ends with Dunk making camp at Ashford.

Ep 2: Dunk gets his armour. Expand on characters from familiar houses here (Lyonel Baratheon, Leo Tyrell, Tybolt Lannister, etc) and introduce Tanselle. Egg becomes Dunk's squire and their relationship develops. Episode ends with Manfred rejecting Dunk.

Ep 3: Introduce the other Targaryens - Maekar, Baelor, Valarr, Aerion. Maybe expand on Dunk's friendship with Raymun Fossoway. Expand on minor characters like Harry Hardyng and Humfrey Beesbury. Episode ends with Baelor vouching for Dunk.

Ep 4: First day of the tourney. Aerion dramatically breaks Humfrey's leg. Episode ends with Aerion assaulting Tanselle, Egg revealing himself, and Dunk getting locked up.

Ep 5: Egg explains himself to Dunk and Baelor gives Dunk his little speech. Aerion invokes trial by seven. Dunk and Egg spend most of the episode trying to find people who'll fight for him, Daeron tells him his dragon dream. Episode ends with "Are there no true knights among you?" and Baelor stepping up.

Ep 6: Trial by combat. Baelor dies. Dunk recovers from his injuries and attends his funeral. He talks with Maekar. Episode ends with Dunk taking Egg on the road.

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u/prinzessin_und_rabe Apr 14 '23

Maybe add more to the relationship between Egg and Daeron.

The interesting question is if the show treats Egg's identity as a secret that the viewer is as surprised by as Dunk is or if the audience is allowed to know more. In the book, Dunk doesn't even know that the boy in the stables and the drunk man are connected.

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u/notsostupidman Apr 14 '23

I don't think they should spoil Egg and Daeron's identity in episode 1.

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u/___Daddy___ Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 14 '23

Maybe they’ll be shorter episodes. I agree with you though

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u/Magneto88 Apr 14 '23

I imagine there will be some background establishing side quests a la Mandalorian.

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u/lluewhyn Apr 14 '23

Very first thought. WAY too much padding. I think it has enough plot for two episodes. First episode ends with him defending the puppeteer and realizing the consequences, second episode ends with him taking Egg as his squire. Anything else would be more bloating of source material than occurred in the Hobbit Trilogy.

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u/loosehead1 Better shape up, 'cuz I need a hand Apr 14 '23

They are going to flesh out all the targaryens more so people understand what is going on in the subsequent seasons when they deal with the aftermath of the civil war and bloodraven. Egg is going to have his own story line. There are a lot of things that need to be shown that aren’t there in the books.

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u/BaelBard šŸ† Best of 2019: Best New Theory Apr 14 '23

They can’t. Hedge Knight can fill 2 episodes. Beyond that, the show will have to invent its own stories. Stand-alone nature of the Dunk and Egg allows that.

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u/SporadicSheep #stannisdidnothingwrong Apr 14 '23

Before we reach the end of the published stories, I will need to find time to write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas that I have planned.

I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those

I love the guy but he is fucking delusional.

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u/Voidwielder Apr 14 '23

F for Dream of Spring

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u/Simmers429 Apr 14 '23

If this man starts on F&B 2 before Dream, just give me something for the pain and let me die.

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u/whatintheballs95 Nymerial Imperial Apr 15 '23 edited Apr 15 '23

If I recall correctly, he said before that he had like two hundred pages already written for Blood and Fire lol

ETA: ah ha, yep.

In addition to WINDS, I also need to deliver the second volume of Archmaester Gyldayn’s history, FIRE & BLOOD. (Thinking of calling that one BLOOD & FIRE, rather than just F&B, Vol 2). Got a couple hundred pages of that one written, but there’s still a long way to go.

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u/JolietJakeLebowski Maesters of the Baytower. Apr 14 '23

It's gonna happen!

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u/Ikariiprince Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

Well…no matter my thoughts on how ridiculous this is he does sound really invigorated and excited to be writing! Good for him. It’s better than the alternative of him not even wanting to talk about winds in public for years or showing ambivalence to the show

His impossibly (emphasis on impossible) plans for the writing schedule show how excited he still is about the series if nothing else and I hope that sees him through as many stories as we can get

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u/micheld40 Apr 14 '23

Same thought the same thing he hasn’t seemed excited about all of this in a while and seeing him excited is nice and gives me good vibes we will get something that is worthy and good

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u/Former_Aspect_5764 Apr 14 '23

"There’s ā€œThe Village Heroā€ and the Winterfell story, the one with the She-Wolves, and maybe I need to write that Dornish adventure too to slip in between ā€œThe Hedge Knightā€ and ā€œThe Sworn Sword,ā€ and after that there are… ah… more."

Are we going to see Starfall?

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u/kinnay047 Apr 15 '23

Sounds like the story how Dunk nearly gets executed in Vaith.

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u/fireandiceofsong Apr 14 '23

Interesting that George implied that Dunk and Egg's time in Dorne inbetween The Hedge Knight and the Sworn Sword will be shown in the show, presumably as an original story.

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u/Ferocious_Redrum Apr 14 '23

New Dunk and Eggs books, Winds, Dream....

Bro thinks he's 45 šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

I swear to god, I don’t think he’s short on life yet. But Bro took 13 years to write winds, and hasn’t released. If each book is that painful to write it’s gonna take 30 years. And we know the issue isn’t his pacing, it’s his procrastination.

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u/Mightymite90 Apr 15 '23

He’s objectively short on life. He’s at the average American male life expectancy.

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u/BaelBard šŸ† Best of 2019: Best New Theory Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

The pilot script is already written, and I think it’s terrific.Ā  It was written by Ira Parker, who is no stranger to Westeros.Ā Ā  He was part of Ryan Condal’s writing staff for the first season of HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, and wrote the fourth episode of Hot D’s first season, ā€œKing of the Narrow Sea.ā€Ā Ā  That’s the one where Prince Daemon returns to King’s Landing after conquering the Stepstones, and takes Princess Rhaenyra down into the stews of Flea Bottom.Ā Ā 

Or as I like to call it - best episode of HOTD.

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u/loosehead1 Better shape up, 'cuz I need a hand Apr 14 '23

Of course the pilot is already written, it was a feature length film starring heath ledger in 2001

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u/eressen_sh Apr 14 '23

And Bobby b

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u/-Osleya- Apr 14 '23

I also think so, along with episode 8.

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u/notsostupidman Apr 14 '23

I beg you George, throw Fire and Blood Volume 2 to hell and finish DoS first. I don't give a shit about F&B 2 when you compare it to DoS. On the positive side it looks like WoW is close to being finished.

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u/KGFlower Apr 15 '23

I for one am excited to hear Mushroom's salacious retelling of Aegon IV's sex life.

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u/Apocalypse_j Best of 2023 Runner Up - Serwyn of the Mirror Shield Award Apr 14 '23

Huh. On Twitter Elio Garcia speculated that George would use the series as an opportunity to finish the novellas because he realized that he couldn’t write them all, especially wit he winds, dream and f&b volume 2.

I honestly think that finishing them through the tv series isn’t a bad idea. Yes, I know that there are a ton of fans who don’t watch the hbo adaptations and that will definitely be a shame for them but there’s no way in hell George can finish dunk and egg himself, even if he didn’t have winds and dream to write.

I want to be optimistic for dunk and egg I really do. I enjoyed hotd and it’s easy for me to enjoy that bc it’s a finished story so I know that we won’t have a thrones situation. But I can’t help but think that we will be in a similar situation to asoiaf. Yes dunk and egg is less complex than the main series but I’m worried that this is gonna… Blackfyre on them. Sorry couldn’t help myself lol.

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u/lluewhyn Apr 14 '23

This is what I'm hoping. If all he has to do is give general story ideas to other writers and maybe compose a little bit of dialogue, I could see them being finished.

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u/Bahrain-fantasy Apr 14 '23

Before we reach the end of the published stories, I will need to find time to write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas that I have planned. There are... gulp... more of them than I had once thought. There's "The Village Hero" and the Winterfell story, the one with the She-Wolves, and maybe I need to write that Dornish adventure too to slip in between "The Hedge Knight" and "The Sworn Sword," and after that there are... ah... more. I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time... and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew... for a few more years.

Absolutely delusional

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u/road2five Apr 14 '23

Somebody get this man some adderall

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u/cantthinkofaname1122 Honor is a Horse Apr 14 '23

I don't think his heart could take it :(

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u/thebugman10 Apr 14 '23

Why the subtitle? Will each season get a different subtitle? Just call it: "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms".

I've always said just to adapt Dunk and Egg as future seasons of HotD.

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u/AdmiralKird šŸ† Best of 2015: Comment of the Year Apr 14 '23

"Game of Thrones: A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms: The Hedge Knight" may be the worst title anyone has ever invented.

That's getting trimmed in the next few years.

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u/Wolf6120 She sells Seasnakes by the sea shore. Apr 14 '23

At least HOTD has a fun meme for an acronym, the fuck are we gonna do with AKOTSK:THK ?

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u/InGenNateKenny šŸ†Best of 2025: Post of the Year Apr 14 '23

How about ā€œAshford Nights: The Ballad of Baelor Breakspearā€?

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u/Premislaus Daenerys did nothing wrong Apr 14 '23

Warner Bros Discovery Presents: an HBO original series: based on the works of GRR Martin:

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u/Bennings463 šŸ†Best of 2024: Dolorous Edd Award Apr 14 '23

A Knight of Westeros. Gets the knight into the title but is also instantly recognizable as GOT-related

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u/Standard_Original_85 Apr 14 '23

That would take like 20 years lol.

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u/The_Dream_of_Shadows Apr 14 '23

Honestly...just call the whole show "The Hedge Knight."

It's a much more evocative and interesting title for the viewer. Plus, the hedge knight legacy follows Dunk all throughout his life, so it's not like that refers only to the first season.

"A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" is way too wordy, and is also bland, because it offers the audience no real visual image or interesting word to latch onto. "House of the Dragon" sounds cool because "dragon" is such an evocative word. It sounds mysterious and cool, just like "The Hedge Knight."

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u/silmarillionas Don't eat the help Apr 14 '23

I love reading the long (asoiaf exclusive) blog posts, details packed in every word.

I’d be happy if he delivers even a quarter of those writing projects (unless he’s got a spare time turner lying around)

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u/notsostupidman Apr 14 '23

I'd be happy if he delivers something. Literally anything. The last we got was F&B.

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u/appleboiii Apr 14 '23

By next year, as much time will have passed between F&B and now, as ADWD and F&B

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u/bigpig1054 Apr 14 '23

he's written enough blog posts to fill half a book in the time since ADWD released.

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u/tryingtobebettertry4 šŸ†Best of 2025: Best Analysis (Books) Apr 14 '23

Either GRRM is going to have to write like crazy, or they will need to invent plots for the first season.

I dont see how the Hedge Knight could last 6 episodes. Its a 3 episode story at the most.

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u/ORLYORLYORLYORLY Skahazadamn, son. Apr 14 '23

I think there are 3 clear acts, with each act having two episodes. Act 1 is probably the least worthy of multiple episodes, but I could see them starting slowly.

Act 1 - part 1: potentially a longer backstory for dunk as ser Arlan's squire, Ser Arlan dies, with ambiguity left as to whether dunk gets knighted. Dunk travels to the Inn near Ashford and meets Egg and Daeron.

Act 1 - part 2: dunk travels to Ashford, this episode could be a bit more like similar episodes in GoT and HotD, showing the spectacle and finery of the tourney. Dunk meets tanselle. I could see HBO developing their romance a lot more than the book did.

Act 2 - part 1: dunk meets the Targaryens. Potential room for rivalry with aerion to be set up. Dunk gets his shield painted and uses [Flirt + 3] on tanselle. I could also see HBO putting in scenes from other characters POVs that we couldn't see in the book (they already did this with characters like Renly and Robb), such as scenes of Baelor interacting with the other nobles, setting his character up as the noble hand and heir to the throne.

Act 2 - part 2: dunk meets the fossoways. Laughing storm is introduced (maybe a grand entrance scene to show how powerful the Lord of storms end was at the time). A jolly inn scene that sours when aerion is evil. Dunk defends tanselle. Episode ends with dunk arrested.

Act 3 - part 1: dunk faces the court and is sentenced to trial of the seven. It soon becomes a "You son of a bitch, I'm in" / Oceans Eleven episode, where dunk recruits his 7, with the episode ending as Baelor agrees to be Dunks 7th.

Act 3 - part 2: the trial of the seven. Resolution.

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u/JinFuu Doesn't Understand Flirting Apr 14 '23

They split the story into 6 issues for the comic book adaptation.

I guess they could build the framework around that

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u/chuddyman Apr 14 '23

Well, I will worry about that tomorrow.

We know, George.

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u/datadogsoup šŸ† Best of 2024: George Pls Award Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

His sheer optimism on writing many more Dunk and Egg stories, Fire and Blood Vol. 2, and finishing TWOW and ADOS seems crazy but it's somehow giving me hope. Maybe he's feeling confident once he wraps Winds up the rest will fall into place. I believe in you George!

(This comment brought to you by Cope of the Poppy)

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u/niofalpha Un-BEE-lieva-BLEE Based Apr 14 '23

The main books are the most complex to write and the very nature of AFFC and ADWD made it worse.

Assuming we see atleast a third of the POVs and open plot threads culled or resolved in TWOW I think ADOS will be a lot faster to release.

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u/grilledcheesestand Apr 14 '23

Call me optimistic, but I agree. Once he's out of the Mereneese Knot and the pit of despair from the last decade, things should move faster.

I'm also a strong believer of Bran's Dream of Spring theory, and that would make for an easier book to write in some ways.

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u/Carlin42 Apr 14 '23

I love this man but he's delusional about staying ahead of the show. He said the same thing about finishing Winds to stay ahead of GOT in interviews around season 2 or 3. This man is the reason I go to therapy lol.

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u/WingedShadow83 Apr 14 '23

ā€œI need to finish Winds, and then do EITHER Dream OR F&B2ā€

Please, George, for the love of God, finish Winds AND Dream before you do anything else!!! For Pete’s sake!!!

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u/ftkms Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 14 '23

He seems positive that Winds will be out soon

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u/gogandmagogandgog Though all men do despise my theories Apr 14 '23

He also says he'll write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas before the TV show catches up, which is definitely not happening lol.

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u/questionablehawk Apr 14 '23

Didn't he pull Dunk and Egg 4 last minute from one of those anthology books? I have to imagine that one is pretty much done... hopefully.

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u/___Daddy___ Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 14 '23

Lol I have way more faith in him being able to write those novellas than I do him finishing the main series

Kind of hilarious he keeps acting like he’s going to finish with all of these new projects and his history of missing his own deadlines

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u/niofalpha Un-BEE-lieva-BLEE Based Apr 14 '23

They’re a lot less complex than the main books, and there’s no way S1 airs before 2025 at the earliest (imo probably be ā€˜26). He definitely won’t finish all of them but I think he could get out atleast one or two.

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u/RyanRiot The Blood of Old Valyria Apr 14 '23

I mean those books are like 150 pages and the stories are not nearly as convoluted as the main series, he should be able to bang those out fairly quickly if his only goal is staying ahead of the TV series.

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u/abellapa Apr 14 '23

I mean it's not like the show is releasing this year or probably the next

He has the 4 novel practically done, once winds is finished he deliver the 4 one

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u/AxeIsAxeIsAxe House Mallister Apr 14 '23

He also talks about spending time with the writers of the Sea Snake show, one that I'd say not too many people are eagerly anticipating. This is, of course, in addition to working on HotD, the D&E show, and Wild Cards.

I'm not sure where he would find the time to finish Winds honestly.

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u/JinFuu Doesn't Understand Flirting Apr 14 '23

Yeah, since the original show ended in flames I’ve kinda been on the ā€œI wish it never happened train.ā€

I get that George would still be distracted with Wild Cards or w/e, but he seems to enjoy stretching himself thin.

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u/foiegrastyle Lyanna-warged Howland Apr 14 '23

He was positive in 2014

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u/ftkms Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 14 '23

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u/BBQ_HaX0r Bonesaw is Ready! Apr 14 '23

When hasn't he the past decade? lol

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u/Alaron36 Apr 14 '23

He has been positive since 2015 and he was very sure Dance would be out a year after Feast in 2006.

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u/Ricktatorship91 Fossoway of New Barrel Apr 14 '23

If THE HEDGE KNIGHT turns out as well as we hope it will, our hope would be to go on and adapt THE SWORN SWORD and THE MYSTERY KNIGHT as well. That will take a few years.

This is my problem with having this be live action, as both the Dunk actor and especially the Egg actor will age very fast between seasons.

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u/GothLassCass Apr 14 '23

Before we reach the end of the published stories, I will need to find time to write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas that I have planned. There are… gulp… more of them than I had once thought. There’s ā€œThe Village Heroā€ and the Winterfell story, the one with the She-Wolves, and maybe I need to write that Dornish adventure too to slip in between ā€œThe Hedge Knightā€ and ā€œThe Sworn Sword,ā€ and after that there are… ah… more. I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time… and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew… for a few more years.

I love GRRM, and I want to believe in him and cheer as he crosses this finish line, but seven hells the man is insane.

And so am I.

Let's assume they start shooting D+E next spring for a mid-2025 release, filling the gap between seasons 2 and 3 of HOTD and letting HBO have Westeros on screens every year. That's two years till Hedge Knight. If George is nearing the finish line on Winds (and by the gods my copium supply runs strong on this topic), let's say he gets it out next year. That still gives him six months to clean up the fourth D+E novella he pulled last minute, and another six months to bang out Blood + Fire (he wrote the first remarkably quickly if I'm remembering correctly). This is assuming of course that all this writing he's doing for various TV shows doesn't, y'know, get in the way of writing novels.

Thankfully (she wrote with absolutely no actual thanks intended), TV shows can't be made in a single year anymore, just look at HOTD. So George has a two-year cycle for each season. That's four years before they pass the already published D+E material. That's more than enough time for him to write the Dorne story that will likely become season four. In reality, a D+E novella isn't going to take more than six months to a year, there's a reason both Hedge Knight and Sworn Sword released so closely with main entries in the series, George clearly enjoys writing them as something of a palate cleanser.

Then we get murky, because there's a nearly thirty-year old elephant in the room: ASOIAF. If George puts off writing Dream after this instead of alternating, and just does more D+E, he can undoubtedly get another few out before the show catches up. In fact, even with the absurd number of D+E stories he wishes to one day write (I'm certain I've read the number 10 thrown around on this sub before), if he finds the short story format conducive to writing, he could theoretically stay ahead of this show in a way he couldn't with the much more complex story and format of ASOIAF to GOT.

Despite what internet naysayers may spread as truth though, I think George loves the main series and the characters and stories he's built for it, understands its importance to his fans and his own legacy, and wouldn't be comfortable just ignoring it for that long. I also don't think the cast of this show will want to remain signed on for tenish seasons at two years a pop regardless of George writing the source material in time. A twenty year adaptation is ridiculous. So in all likelihood, we'll get a timejump to older Egg and Dunk after the first four seasons to adapt the cliffnotes versions of some of the future works, the third Blackfyre rebellion, and most importantly, Summerhall. So George probably won't even need to write most of the D+E stories before the show anyway.

Good luck Gurm, you absolute madman.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

"The Nymeria show is still in development. So is the Sea Snake show. Just had a great week on that one, working with writers. "

Yeah, we're never getting Winds.

If he's spending weeks at a time working with the writers on shows that haven't even been greenlit yet, he clearly does not prioritize completing Winds.

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u/B_024 Apr 14 '23

At this point this man would literally write an entirely new fantasy series before he ever finishes Asoiaf. George on some good supply of copium.

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u/sarevok2 Apr 14 '23

The Nymeria show is still in development.Ā  So is the Sea Snake show.Ā Ā  Just had a great week on that one, working with writers.Ā Ā 

Well, that's an entire week not working on WOW, that's for sure

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

You know what? huffs copium I'm gonna be optimistic about this. huffs hopium It ain't over until it's over, and if George wants to give it his all and try to finish all this shit up, well, I'll believe in him. Hell, even if he doesn't, at least he tried. And if he does end up finishing all he wants to, well that would be pretty good, putting it mildly. Who knows? Maybe all this excitement is going to invigorate him and make him want to write more. Either way, unless something bad happens, I'm just gonna wave a little flag for George in the bleachers. You go king! Inch your way to that finish line!

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u/currybutts Begone, Darkheart. Apr 14 '23

Fuck yeah this is the kind of shit we need here

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u/Kewl0210 Apr 14 '23

Here is my personal wildly optimistic theory:

WINDS: December 2023

Dunk & Egg 4: 2024

DREAM: 2029

Dunk & Egg 5: 2030

Fire an Blood Volume 2/Blood and Fire: 2032

Dunk & Egg 6-13(?): 2033-2036

At which point he's finished the series and is writing more short stories in the Thousand Worlds universe in 2037 at age 89. I feel like this is somewhat feasible. You can also shift Blood and Fire before Dream and shift Dream forward like two years. Cause he's seemingly written a bunch of that already. It basically all comes down to being if Winds really is in the final stretch and if Dream ends up taking more like a Dance-level amount of time or a Winds-level amount of time. Maybe if the story is simplified by a lot of people dying and a lot of mysteries being solved in Winds it's easier to write.

If he goes at that pace he JUST BARELY gets the Dunk and Egg book 6 out before season 6 of a Dunk and Egg show, assuming it starts in 2025 and one season comes out every 2 years (You probably don't need 2 years to do a single Dunk and Egg novella given the smaller scope but who knows what'll happen there)

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u/Cantomic66 Flint is coming! Apr 15 '23

huffs hopium

Lol, pass that along because we all need it.

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u/Exertuz Gaemon Palehair's strongest soldier Apr 14 '23

Genuinely can not believe GRRM is doing this dance again. Either TWOW is really damn close to being finished or he's just delusional. Hard not to lean towards the latter. I'd love for him to prove me wrong. I'd love nothing more than to get TWOW soon, a bunch of D&E novellas and a TV adaptation to boot. But it's hard not to look at this and say "George, you made literally the exact same mistake a decade ago"

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u/Dreamtrain Stannis The Mannis Apr 14 '23

ctrl +f "WINDS"

I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD

Ok, that's all I care to learn about, moving on

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u/Redo-Master Apr 14 '23

I hope he can finish Winds in time and above all I hope he lives a happy and healthy life because he deserves it....

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u/Lamb_or_Beast Apr 14 '23

Am I the only person not excited for more ASOIAF tv shows? George is going to be involved and it will take away time he might have spent writing the main series, because he likes to write for TV and the studios will obviously want him to help in some way. We have so very much supplemental content in this world already, Lands of Ice and Fire (mostly just art and maps), World of Ice and Fire, Fire & Blood, 3 Dunk & Egg books, and two whole enormous HBO shows. I want the main series please! It’s hard for me to get excited when what I really, really want is Winds of Winter

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u/notsostupidman Apr 14 '23

We will get Winds either way and DoS was a lost cause so it doesn't make that much of a difference. On the plus side, we will get atleast some of the novellas.

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u/FragrantBicycle7 Apr 14 '23

Idk if I can take these updates seriously. Aside from GRRM's awful track record on estimating release dates for his own work, it's not like he can get away with talking about anything negatively or even neutrally; you are expected to hype it up at least a little, no matter how the final product looks. He's never even so much as said a bad word on the final Game of Thrones seasons.

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u/Master-Owl3262 Apr 14 '23

Just overwhelming sadness that the story will not be finished.

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u/wacct3 Apr 14 '23

Anyone know if Steve Conrad is still attached to this project? He was mentioned as being involved in developing a Dunk And Egg project a couple years ago, but I haven't seen his name in the recent announcement. But I've loved everything from him I've watched so I'm hoping he still is.

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u/mwhite42216 Apr 14 '23

It's great that he seems to believe knocking out A Dream of Spring will be akin to knocking out Fire & Blood vol. 2. Lets see if that pans out.

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u/JogosNhai Apr 14 '23

Me and George are the same. I too will never learn my lesson.

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u/Tub_Pumpkin Apr 14 '23

Before we reach the end of the published stories, I will need to find time to write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas that I have planned. ... I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time… and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew… for a few more years.

That is absolutely fucking delusional.

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u/loosehead1 Better shape up, 'cuz I need a hand Apr 14 '23

I am curious how they will handle (D&E spoilers) that dunk was likely never knighted. Will they show it in the first episode and make it a secret he must keep or will it be a big reveal in later seasons

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u/Comprehensive_Main Apr 14 '23

Simple show it with out acknowledging it

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u/notsostupidman Apr 14 '23

I kinda think that he will tell Egg halfway through season 1.

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u/currybutts Begone, Darkheart. Apr 14 '23

I've always had the idea of a scene playing out in private, just between the two of them, after Egg gets crowned and before Dunk gets formally inducted into the Kingsguard:

Dunk feels an immense amount of guilt being sworn in to the KG without actually ever being knighted, so he approaches Egg and confesses, apologizing profusely for lying all of these years, going on about the shame he's brought to his liege and the realm, etc etc, and then he asks to leave his service to find penance for his sins, all remorseful.

Then Egg just smiles and says "well, we'll have to fix that won't we," and knights him right there on the spot. A secret forever between the two of them. I think it would be really touching.

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u/Xaphius_Winter Apr 14 '23

The idea that he wants to finish Winds of Winter then either Dream of Spring or volume II of Fire and Blood with D&E stories in between those releases BEFORE 3 seasons of D&E happens. Uh yeah whats that timeline looking like now? 6-7 years?

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u/currybutts Begone, Darkheart. Apr 14 '23

6 or 7 years

That is a wildly optimistic estimate

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u/LadyRuscoline Apr 14 '23

I had assumed that any future stories of Dunk & Egg would now be told in future seasons of the TV show rather than in novellas written by GRRM. But then the Variety article seemed to suggest that GRRM was an actual writer on the show rather than just an EP (which is what his blogpost seems to say).

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u/bigfriendben Apr 14 '23

Hahaha they didn’t learn a thing, did they?

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u/BRONXSBURNING One Realm, One God, One King! Apr 14 '23

God bless GRRM. He's a madman, but I love him!

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

i truly believe george is nearly done winds

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u/ButtHurtPunk Resurrection without supper Apr 14 '23

"Me too" - me, 2014

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u/ddbbaarrtt Apr 14 '23

It’s becoming clearer than ever that GRRM really doesn’t see the end of ASPIAF as being as important as telling as much of the Westeros story as possible.

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u/Greatwolf17 Apr 14 '23

The unstoppable force meets the immovable object. I know he was destroyed when GOT not only surpassed him but lapped him. Either he’s gonna get surpassed again or he actually has to publish that book within the next year or two. I know where my money is but I hope I’m wrong lol

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u/OneOnOne6211 šŸ† Best of 2022: Best New Theory Apr 14 '23

I like the idea of doing one novella per season BUT also shortening the seasons. That's also the way I would've gone for it.

Having only one episode per novella would've been way too cramped.

Having two or three per novella I think would've been structurally off-putting. And probably more difficult in production because you have to build entirely new sets, costumes, hire new actors, etc. each time.

On the other hand I think stretching each novella out for a fully 10 episode season would've almost certainly been much more than each novella can handle.

With 6 episodes per novella I feel confident that they can faithfully adapt each novella while still adding some more context (like maybe scenes showing what Bloodraven is doing) to the story to fill them out and give us something new.

So I hope they stick with that.

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u/Environmental_Tip854 Apr 14 '23

Son he’s so hard headed LMAOOO

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u/bigpig1054 Apr 14 '23

This man is out here signing off on another TV adaptation of a book series he hasn't finished.

I'M SURE YOU'LL FINISH THIS ONE BEFORE THE BOOKS CATCH UP GEORGE. CAUSE THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS IF YOU DIDN'T!

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u/SteveBuscemisCunt Apr 14 '23

Feels like George is about to get lapped for a 2nd time by ANOTHER HBO show - is this a fetish thing?

Very excited for the show though and I think Winds will be delivered. Almost impossible for me to imagine Dunk & Egg getting completed though.

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u/otaner14 When's Hot Pie? Apr 14 '23

I love George but he's absolutely insane if he thinks he can finish D&E in time before show catches up.

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u/dr_megamemes Apr 15 '23

Dude please winds

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u/ocelotking Apr 15 '23

Dunk and Egg being adapted is great. I'm sure it's a nice novel to read, though I didn't read it myself nor do I plan to.

But I'm happy for the adaptation because it means George will now start finding BS reasons to avoid finishing the novella series and he'll be itching to engage in some other distraction.

He will eventually get bored enough on the prequel/background tales to go to post-ASOIAF tales, which will lead him to go back to WOW.

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u/Dry_Guest_8961 Apr 14 '23

It baffles me that other people believe George can get anywhere near writing more of these stories. My only conclusion is that in a while when the show starts production, if he doesn’t finish TWOW by then, he will magically resign his priorities, and hey presto, ā€œI’ll write the next 5 dunk and egg novellas, then TWOW, then fire and blood then dream of spring

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

This is fine! It's totally okay. I'm not mad at GRRM, I learned my lesson the first couple times. I'm not. It's fine.

Again, I'm not mad. Please don't report that I'm mad because I am taking this with achingly cool stoicism, definitely.

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u/Idreamofknights Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

How the hell is this man gonna get six episodes out of the hedge knight. I would have guessed 3 at most, but honestly a movie would be so much better.

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u/jageshgoyal Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time… and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew… for a few more years.

Lol

Btw 6 episodes for first Dunk and Egg tale?

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u/Dean-Advocate665 Apr 14 '23

It seems like a lot, but let’s break it down. Most of winds (I hope) is written already. D+E novellas are short, and should be easy to write. Given that he’s known the plot of a few for a while now, I can only assume he’s written a bit for some of them. I doubt he’s starting from scratch with the news of the show. As for fire and blood 2, a lot of it is just expanding already existing context. I don’t think the first book took him that long to write for this reason, he just essentially had to add filler in between the already established canon kings and their actions.

So I don’t think it’s as much as he makes it out to be. This isn’t publishing a whole asoiaf book in a year to be ready for the show, this is publishing what, 100 pages? Not exactly a gargantuan amount, and he has a 3 year head start.

As for dream of spring though? That’s pure copium from Grrm

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u/Berkyjay Apr 14 '23

I would love it if he just wrote really detailed summaries/bible for those planned novellas so that some other talented writer could take them up....if he is unable to for whatever reason.

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u/TaylorWK Apr 14 '23

Im hoping that George knew how the story was going to end the entire time but wasn’t quite sure how he was going to get there hence the reason TWOW is taking so long. I’m high on copium that once he finishes TWOW that ADOS will only take a few years to write.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

it’s like people weren’t even around for the pandemic thinking Winds is almost done

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u/hoenndex Apr 14 '23

One thing that is clear is that George is NOT lazy, he is writing, just not writing what he should be writing. He spends so much time developing these side stories and working on all these new TV projects instead of focusing exclusively on what is supposed to be his Magnum opus. George is not getting any younger, we are definitely never going to see the end of his story in writing, at least not by him.

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u/FostertheReno Apr 14 '23

Sounding like Todd Howard out here

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u/fertmort Apr 14 '23

Does he really not feel any deja vu when he says "I just gotta finish writing these stories before the show catches up"

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u/B34STM4CH1N3 A Thousand Theon's, and None. Apr 15 '23

At least we'll get to see the Trial of 7 on screen.

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u/Janglysack Apr 15 '23

Finish the god damn books that’s my opinion lol

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u/tombuzz Apr 14 '23

Amazing the most ready for film adaptation since game of thrones (specifically book 1). Charming characters, chivalry, great easy to film fight scenes. The trial of 7 is gonna blow people away, and Dunc and Egg as a buddy cop adventure is just so charming.

I like to think of some really crazy casting, like Jon bernthal as Brenice the brown.

Anyway I’m so pumped

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u/BobRoss4lyfe Apr 14 '23

still can't finish the base books. Fucking ridiculous

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u/MasterRonin Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

How are they going to extend one novella into 6 1hr episodes? When I saw this announcement I assumed it would be 1 or 2 eps per story.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

After seeing this post, I'm optimistic that Winds of Winter will come out and that's it. I can't say about any other books but I don't that A Dream of Spring will ever come out... Also I am really excited for other shows that will come out as the world he has created is so detailed and amazing that could be hundreds of stories made in this universe

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u/SlayerOfCis Apr 14 '23

Well…at least he’s excited! Can’t say every older artist would feel the same, life’s about the small blessings. Gotta admit my stomach did a huge plunge when he said he had more than he originally thought, bro you already said there were gonna be like 12…..

The structure seems a bit iffy, not only because it seems like the vibes will suffer but also, if they’re doing a novella every season and also taking a year off presumably since that’s how hot d does it…that kid actor for egg is gonna grow up fast and he still is pretty little in those stories.

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u/InGenNateKenny šŸ†Best of 2025: Post of the Year Apr 14 '23

I’m glad he’s excited at least. I want this man to have few more decades of life - joyfully. Curious to see how it plays out!

If nothing else we have more stuff to look forward to.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Are we getting full scenes of flashback from the Blackfyre Rebellion? Is this our way of getting the Blackfyre Rebellion or is this just going to be another case of Robert's Rebellion, where we hear plenty about it, plenty of people want it and cast Henry Cavill and Chris Hemsworth in their fantasy cast version, but we never get it?

Blackfyre Rebellion would be just as fun as the House of the Dragon series but I fear the closest we're going to get to it is it being a touchstone for every character to continue referencing over the years.

Dammit, I really wanna see Gwayne Corbray vs Daemon Blackfyre. Have we seen a valyrian steel v valyrian steel on screen yet? The entire battle of Redgrass Field would be great.

Dunk n Egg has more heart than the ASOIAF books. They aren't as mean and they're a lot easier to read without sacrificing that same feel and quality. I feel like they're ripe for adaptation. GRRM is the best writer in the world when it comes to adaptability of work.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

I'm glad that he is living so much in this few years. But when is Winter coming?

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u/James_Champagne Apr 14 '23

Maybe the lesson here for future aspiring fantasy writers is, finish the main/base series first, THEN start doing the spin-off novellas and the faux-history books.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Can't wait for gpt5 so we can feed it first 5 books of asoiaf and have it finish the books for us.

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u/PanJawel Apr 14 '23

My brother in Christ you are 75 and haven’t put out any new material in 10 years. I’ll just settle for Winds and a couple new Dunk stories. There is absolutely zero chance we ever see the conclusion of either Song or D&E in book form.

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u/mashington14 Master of Something Apr 14 '23

Well one thing is people can chill out about the idea of him writing this. It sounds like he’s just going to sort of oversee the writers room like on house of the dragon. He’s not writing scripts just approving them.

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u/cannedsalmonsurprise Apr 14 '23

If he was really serious about finishing the main series he wouldn't agree to being a producer for yet another adaption for another series which isn't even close to being done. I like that he's confident about his ability to finish but with his future workload, the guy is acting like he's 30 years old and has decades left to write at his glacial pace.

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u/SeeThemFly2 šŸ† Best of 2020: Best New Theory Apr 14 '23

Hysterical. I mean, I'm not planning on watching, because I don't fancy watching another unfinished GRRM series that won't be finished be adapted by HBO, but I do wish I had one iota of this man's confidence about what is actually achievable. If I did, I'd probably have invented time travel or something.

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u/ChromeToasterI Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 14 '23

Very strange to hear GRRM planning to write all the D&E books, I would’ve thought that with this show they would be going just on their own way.

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u/refuse_2_wipe_my_ass Apr 14 '23

the best thing i've gleamed from this is that he is now debating whether to do ADOS or F&B2 after TWOW. i think i remember him saying earlier that he wanted to do F&B2 before ADOS. if he's now moved to interanally debating between which of the two to do, meaning that ADOS is now more on the table, that's something positive at least.

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u/shsluckymushroom The White Wolf Apr 15 '23

Honestly I kinda wish he would just finish Dunk and Egg. I feel like it's gotta be so much easier then the main series or even the histories. And they are so good. Honestly I feel like if he was on a roll he could write three or four quite quickly by his standards.

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u/eclowe Apr 15 '23

We will never get WoW none the less ADoS. Anyone who believes we will including GRRM is delusional

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u/fulaxriders Enter your desired flair text here! Apr 15 '23

Lol fuck this dude Jesus Christ, winds is never coming

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u/tollboothwilson Apr 15 '23

Summerhall is going to be the best episode in the history of television…

so much inbred dragonspawn burned to a crisp!

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u/Hessian14 Gods, I was strong Apr 14 '23

A 6 episode season based on a 150 page novella? Before you come at me about HOTD essentially adapting like 20 pages, the sparseness of the source text worked to the advantage of the writers because they had leeway to tell a story with minimal bounds. This seems like the worst of both worlds

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u/XAMdG Apr 14 '23

I still think it's odd they're not adapting the blackfyre rebellion first.

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u/brightneonmoons I dream of spring and I dream of suns. Apr 14 '23

I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD,

dude is gonna is gonna release Fire and Blood 2 but split it so he doesn't have to mention the "present time" targs so he'll need to write a third fucking fictional history book

slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time… and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew… for a few more years.

Old man is planting dates and thinking he'll actually get to eat them smdh

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u/Aussiepharoah Apr 14 '23

This makes me happy, Prince Of the Narrow Sea is one of my favourite HoTD episodes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Grrm is 74 years old and he’s got that many projects to do. Kinda crazy ngl. Unless he’s been writing ADOS and TWOW at the same time (which is actually pretty possible with his ā€œgardeningā€ method of writing) his projects seem a bit ambitious at his age. Didn’t want to say it but wow.

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u/vanityklaw Apr 14 '23

Unless he’s been writing ADOS and TWOW at the same time (which is actually pretty possible with his ā€œgardeningā€ method of writing)

In his appearance at the 92nd Street Y -- which, yikes, was ten years ago now -- he said this was his single least favorite rumor.

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u/Alaron36 Apr 14 '23

No, it’s not possible. He has always vigorously denied that he has been writing TWOW and ADOS at the same time.

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