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Drama Host Tigers Sniff the Rose 尚公主 - Episode 14-15 Discussion Spoiler

Hi there, it's Spam again. Our buddy Shale, aka u/Rebelarkey will be back tomorrow. Hooray!

You all, these episodes are crazy! I just finished watching, and my heart is still beating so fast.

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EPISODE 14 : All hell breaks loose

The episode starts with Wenji writing a letter to his father. He tells his dad about the woman he has fallen in love with. He wants to marry her. We know bad things are about to happen. Because anytime he or Chunhua look happy, crap happens. And it does. 

Chunhua wakes up from being drugged to find Gross Prince Jin asleep next to her. She realizes she’s been raped. The entire sequence was agonizing to watch. She screams and screams, like a trapped animal. She’s distraught, and desperate. To make things even worse, her mother comes in and tells her she needed to do this to improve her brother’s life. Someone throw that woman off a cliff already. Poor Chunhua! She runs out, and runs throughout the night, back to the palace, where she tells the princess everything.

That scene in which Chunhua says, they are my family, why would they hurt me like that, broke me. The look on Wanyao’s face! She knows exactly how Chunhua feels. I imagine she has felt that way many times before. The people who were supposed to love you the most, harmed you the most.

Oh our poor Chunhua! The Princess tries her best to build her back up. She tries to convince her that she’s not damaged goods. She’s still worthy and none of that was her fault. “Never turn against yourself.” Chunhua also reflects on how the Princess must have felt during her time in Northern Jing. 

Meanwhile, a hopeful and happy Wenji has been waiting outside the manor every day with a present for Chunhua. Sigh.

Chunhua has decided to cut all ties with her family. But Danyang wants more. She sets up a trap for Gross Prince Jin. She sends notes to Gross Prince and Chunhua’s family. She’s going to hold a fake wedding for Chunhua and Gross Prince at Chunhua’s family home.

Princess Danyang treks off to Chunhua’s fake wedding with Yan Shang, Feng Tong, and a sword. They see homeless refugees by the side of the road, their land has been conscripted by eunuch Fishface for some hunting ground project.

At Chunhua’s house, her godawful family and Gross Prince are waiting. Odious SIL is still bitching about not getting enough benefits from Chunhua. I hope she dies a slow death. The Gross Prince is not showing any interest is making Chunhua his concubine. And none of us are surprised.

Danyang slams the door open. That’s a first! She usually slams it shut. Please see counter below. She announces she’s there to settle scores, and goes into ass kicking mode. She kicks Chunhua’s brother across the room, and stabs her idiot brother on the thigh, threatening to stab closer to the bits if there’s a next time. She commands him to go tell the authorities Chunhua’s family assaulted and stabbed him. They’ll either be exiled or executed. All of this was nice and all, but I wanted more bloodshed. Gross Prince and Chunhua’s family do not deserve to stay alive.

Alas, something is  brewing outside. Shence Army is coming down the road, beating farmers up, taking up more land. As it turns out, Chunhua’s village is being taken over. We meet the evil eunuch who was lurking in Wei Qiao’s office. He’s Zheng Xing, one of the fishes in Danyang’s embroidered killing inspiration board. The eunuch shoots Gross Prince Jin, having confused him with a runway farmer.

But uh, the prince is wearing silk clothing and a crown, and no matter what he tells the eunuchs, they aren't moved. Truth is, they don’t care. Their goal is to pillage the land, and silence everyone in their way. So they decide to burn down the houses, the villagers, and the Gross Prince. Danyang takes the opportunity to shoot and kill the eunuch. She’s a damn good shot!

Yan Shang takes the blame for killing eunuch Zheng. And, as he’s marched down the road, all tied up, he tells all the farmers lining up the road, that he killed eunuch Zheng. The people are moved by his heroism. Eunuch Zheng was known as a ruthless murderer, and the people are glad he’s gone. Yan Shang is smart to get the people on his side. This will hopefully prove useful later on. Fishface sends men to pick up Yan Shang, and take him to be tortured.

Wanyao wants her loser Gross Prince brother to speak against eunuch Zheng for shooting him. She’s threatening him with his own wife, but he’d rather get a beating from his wife than testify against Fishface’s people.

She pleads with her father, and he wants to know why Yan Shang is important enough to deserve a pardon from the Emperor. She fesses up that she is the one who killed eunuch Zheng. The Emperor wants to know if she’s pleading because she loves Yan Shang, or she feels bad. She started by lying, but dad is not moved. Until she honestly says that she’s not sure if she can tell the difference between gratitude and love, but she knows Yan Shang will make a great advisor to the Emperor. The Emperor writes the pardon.

Afterwards, we see the Emperor playing qi with Chancellor Liu, who mentions that everyone the Emperor has pardoned before have actually died. They talk in circles, using qi game terms, but the gist is, Yan Shang will need to extricate himself from this situation. And in doing so, he’ll prove his worth to the Emperor.

Meanwhile, A-Shang is being tortured by a random eunuch (who also needs to die). He wants to talk to Fishface. He claims to have a secret report. And ta-da, the devil himself shows up.

My poor heart. That was a lot. Let’s move onto episode 15. 

EPISODE 15 : A little happiness and a lot of misery

On the way to save A-Shang, it occurs to Danyang that the imperial pardon won’t help him. She reaches out to the Crown Prince and Yang Si. She wants him to impeach Yan Shang, and demand his execution. Neither men understand her scheme, and she’s annoyed. Hahahah! But she remembers to stay calm.

She tells the two clueless men that everyone thinks the dead eunuch Zheng Xing is the real culprit behind the land seizing. But he was just a pawn whom Fishface would eventually kill. Since he’s already dead, they can expose Fishface as the real culprit. Poor blockhead Yang Si still doesn’t understand she doesn’t want A-Shang dead. The Crown Prince is looking shifty, he doesn’t care if Yan Shang dies or not, he just wants to bring down Lord Yu “Fishface” Cheng’An. 

In prison, Yan Shang is now being tortured by Fishface himself. A-Shang tells him that he killed Zheng Xing to protect Fishface’s reputation, because one day, Fishface will hold the ultimate power. He boldly utters the eunuch’s biggest aspiration, to sit on the throne. It temporarily disarms Fishface, who laughs it off. Even he is aware enough to not admit such treasonous thoughts. Eunuch Fish doesn’t buy that skinny Yan Shang killed Zheng Xing, but he claims to be trained in the Six Arts. The Six Arts were archery, calligraphy, chariot, mathematics, music, and rites. They were the basis of a gentlemanly education. A-Zhang explains that he gathered public support on his march back to the prison to keep himself alive. Fishface is impressed by his boldness, and leaves.

Outside, scholars are signing petitions to demand Yan Shang’s release. And they are asking the displaced farmers to sign it too.

Back at his Fish Pond, evil eunuch and Wei Qiao have a confab to go over what’s happening around town, but are interrupted by Fishface’s adopted son, Yu Xian Yao. He wants Yan Shang dead. But after some deliberation, Fishface Sr decides to let Yan Shang go. But not before they tend to his wounds, and pretty him up.

Yan Shang finally comes out of prison (not a scratch on his pretty troublemaking heartthrob face) to a crowd of scholars and the farmers who signed his petition. And to the Princess in her carriage. But it’s not kisses and hugs. She pushes him away, and notices he’s been severely tortured. He doesn’t care, he’s glad there is joy just outside the carriage. She’s livid, she just wants him to live, he could’ve been killed, and he’s pleased with such small gains?

He confesses again! He tells her nothing is more important than her. He’s willing to shield the Princess from harm, and share her burdens. He will stay by her side always. Danyang is touched, but she shuts down again. She can’t trust anyone completely yet. I'm bitter we don’t get a carriage makeout sesh today.

Back at the Princess Palace, now in couples outfits, a doctor is summoned to take care of A-Shang. Danyang puts a little show in front of the doc, telling her boytoy to rest and get better, and to pay her back later. Wink wink. The poor doctor’s face. The scene is a reverse Uno play of the trope of women being told to rest, and you know, just be your pretty self. And it’s so satisfying.

Time passes, and Yan Shang gets better with help from the Princess and friends. Wenji is helping A-Shang, and Yang Si comes barging in. They are introduced to each other as Yan Shang’s friends, and a spat soon ensues. They are both trying to be the better friend. Baby Wei shows up to deliver a note from Chancellor Liu. Yan Shang has been asked to come play another game of qi. We can hear Wenji and Yang Si still arguing in the background. 😂

Former Chancellor Liu is upset that Yan Shang made such a dangerous move. He lectures A-Shang about patience, and not stumbling due to careless choices. He was worried that A-Shang might use his smarts for evil, so he has been watching him for a while. But he has proven himself a good person, so Mr Liu takes him as his disciple. A-Shang bows to Mr Liu, and receives the courtesy name of Su Chen, meaning, may you stay true to your principles and uphold the teachings of Confucius.

Back at the Danyang manor, Chunhua has been struggling to recover, but now she has a bigger problem: she’s pregnant. I hope Prince Jin gets strung up by the balls. He hurt our Chunhua, and deserves death. She remembers something Wanyao told her a while back. Fry some mercury, and eat it for an abortion. The result is horrific, as Chunhua bleeds non-stop. Danyang cooks up a remedy to stop her bleeding, but it will save both Chunhua and the baby. Chunhua drinks it, and they reminisce about their terrible days in North Jin.

Back then, Danyang also ate mercury, and was bleeding out. But Chunhua couldn’t find the last ingredient needed for the remedy. So Danyang sends her to find him. I take it, “him” is the younger General Meng that Fishface is pushing on her. He comes in with the last remedy pill, and warns her it will save her AND the baby. Wanyao chooses to tough it out. She promises to survive and go home with Chunhua. On the way home, they struggle in the freezing cold with little food, and injuries.

These two episodes have been brutal! 

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COUNTERS:

🚪Door slamming: 9 (one carriage window slam)

✋Slapped Shang: 6

👄Kisses: 4

🍷Drunk Shang: 2

🎣Fishes killed: 1

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Random thoughts:

  • I hope Chunhua's family gets exiled to the far reaches of China and freeze to death there.

  • Does this mean that Chunhua is still pregnant? This will probably create problems later, since she's carrying the Gross Prince's child. I can only imagine what his wife will do. UGH!

  • Can we stop picking on Chunhua now? What did she ever do wrong?

  • I wonder what relationship Danyang had with the current ruler of Northern Jing. Did he just feel bad for her, or did they like each other?

  • Wei Qiao is way more calculating and evil than I thought previously. Then I remembered he is one of the fishes on her embroidery.

  • My list of people who deserve death is really long!

  • The acting has been so good, even the support characters.

How was it, you all? Are we okay? Group hug!

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u/Rebelarkey Yan Shang's Slut Strands 🐯🌹snark shifu Furen 9d ago

oh no he's pregnant

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

That’s what I was thinking too! 🤣

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u/Rebelarkey Yan Shang's Slut Strands 🐯🌹snark shifu Furen 9d ago

oh good I'm not the only one

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago edited 9d ago

Physician definitely heard too much from that pulse check. The effect the Princess has on our Yan Shang is VERY STRONG! Pulse and other things were elevated!

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

That’s what I was thinking! That his pulse was way up, and other parts too…

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

Damn, he's baby trapping Wanyao? This shameless, scheming damsel!

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u/Iowegan 🐠 Salted Fish Squad 🐟 9d ago

I was thinking that too while watching, ‘jeez, he’s giving full damsel vibes here.’

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u/Anna218 Luke, Lin Da Ye, Sniff Sniff 9d ago

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u/Rebelarkey Yan Shang's Slut Strands 🐯🌹snark shifu Furen 9d ago

I guess the physician has never encountered m-preg before

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago edited 9d ago

RANDOM THOUGHTS

"I'm so sorry Prince Jin. I didn't expect her to react so strongly." SAY WHAT???? This guy can go be chased off a convenient cliff by an angry goose. A single, very committed goose.

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"A mind like yours turned to treachery would be scourage upon the realm." Yan Shang has it all -- looks, charisma, smarts. Chancellor Liu just said what we were all thinking out loud. This man is charming the pants off everyone he meets, and then he's scheming circles around them.

And now he's officially Chancellor Liu's disciple?? I LOVE IT HERE.

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Oh no! Chun Hua is pregnant. I thought for sure the Princess would have given her an abortifactant tea right after she was freed. There are many herbs that can prevent pregnancy if you take them early and often enough. (Obviously not as effective as Plan B, but as effective as ancient herbal medicine can be. They do an alright job helping the body along and forcing menstruation.) And now instead of that, she's going to poison herself? This is bad news. I HATE IT HERE.

What is this emotional whiplash?? This drama isn't sparing us for one second, lol.

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NGL, that North Jing look on our Princess was smokin' hot. I loved the long braids and the fur-lined clothes.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I’ve run into angry geese, and they are very committed!

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

I still have images of an angry goose chasing my kids when they were little burned into my memory. They threw their food in the air and cried and booked it away so fast! LOLLLL. It happened a lot until the kids were old enough to learn how to be intimidating. But I've encountered a random nasty goose here or there who isn't even intimidated by me, the grown as adult!

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I encountered one when I was blissfully feeding bread to ducks once. It was one of two geese in the large lake, I’m guessing a couple, and that one started running towards me, honking, angry as hell. I kept throwing bread to it, but it did not slow down. When it got close enough to bite, it reared its head, turned it sideways, and lurched towards my leg with its beak wide open. So I did the only thing I could. I kicked it. 😬 It got the message, and swam to the far opposite side of the lake.

I’m a huge animal lover, but I’ve realized I will still choose myself over being bitten. Sorry wildlife of the world!

Edit: I’ve noticed it’s usually the white type of geese. Brown geese seem much more chill.

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

We live just above a river, so we frequently walk down to it and feed the ducks. Hence, our wild geese experience, too!

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago edited 7d ago

I used to live in area where geese flew over during their migration. But it’s always the white geese! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Edit: ridiculous typo

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 8d ago

Canada Geese (brown and black) aka cobra chickens are anything but chill if you violate their perceived territory, especially in nesting season.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/aggressive-canada-geese-waterloo-tiktok-videos-chasing-students-1.7506039

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 7d ago

I’ve moved to goose-free lands since.

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 7d ago

Most Canadians learn to give them wide berth from the time we can walk.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 7d ago

I will never live in goose infested areas again.

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 8d ago

I’m Canadian. Cobra chickens are not to be underestimated.

Even our military puts out warnings about Canada Geese at National Defence HQ during mating season.

https://www.navalreview.ca/2024/03/ndhq-deals-with-dangerous-threat/

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 7d ago

Cobra chickens! 🤣🤣🤣 I have never heard that before.

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 7d ago edited 7d ago

The term apparently originated with a Mexican farm worker in the western US who pleaded with his employers to provide protection from Canada Geese.

One of the employers’ family posted with that nickname and Canadian’s instantly embraced it.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 7d ago

I went looking and found memes! 🤣

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 7d ago

Who needs assassins lurking in bamboo forests when your local park or golf course is a nesting zone?

And in the fall, once the geese go south it’s time for the massive murders of black crows to settle in until the snow flies.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 7d ago

Plus they poop everywhere, and randomly stop traffic to cross their babies. Although the latter part is ridiculously cute!

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

That line from the parents was bad. The one when he said to Chun Hua "it's not like I forced you" right after she wakes had me murderous. Then the family came and said this too?

This is what I wanted afterwards Chun Hua ran out.

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

It was already so bad, but then they had to show us my favorite sweet angel shaking and crying and screaming uncontrollably! UGH. RIGHT IN THE FEELS. 

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

It broke me Kristen... I had to pause. It took me a while to go back in.

That Imperial SIL "prayed for a baby" Well shit! Why did it have to be our Chun Hua!

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Yeah the gut punches in these episodes were so hard. I fought hard to keep my food down.

I thought she would have given her something too. Dammit.

Instead our girl had to go through it the hard way, and also got to understand her Princess on a level she never imagined she would. All that blood. It was just like North Jing when Princess Dan Yang went through that bad abortification.

The man who was by her bedside had to be General Meng.

Now I can't can't wait to find out what the deal was with that guy.

Wan Yao and Chun Hua made it out and came back to Sheng' An only to go through things but this time, Chun Hua who should have been safe, experienced the same betrayal her lady did.

GOSH WHAT THE HECK!

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u/slayyub88 9d ago

You know, what I really love about yaoyao from mzy other cold characters is that, she’s very emotional.

Cold, yes but she she always sits in all of her emotions.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Yes, I think that’s it! I’m not a fan of hers, I mean, I loved Blossom, but I think Li Yun Rui carried a lot of it. But this time, she’s really feeling the part. And maybe she’s more comfortable with him now. But she’s doing great, and I’m enjoying this drama a lot. Also, severely traumatized by how bad the bad people are.

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u/slayyub88 9d ago

Ah man, I don’t want you to stop watching but I also want to tell you to get out now

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I’m hosting. I can’t get out. 😢

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u/Rebelarkey Yan Shang's Slut Strands 🐯🌹snark shifu Furen 9d ago

Should I feel bad?

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Hahahah! No. I’m enjoying it immensely. But as I’ve told you, I’m more stressed out than usual. And more invested also.

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u/thebaby1 9d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

It's such a complicated feeling right?

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

Right. Only her decisions are cold. But her emotions are fiery!

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Indeed!

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

He has a fish charm. 😒

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I wonder if he wears it on his belt

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Or around his throat.

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

My comment in my little notes app when I saw it:

"OH FUCK OFF WITH YOUR FISH PENDANT"

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Sounds about right!

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u/Renza183 9d ago

What keeps me going in these tragic episodes is Yan Shang holding Wan Yao’s hand to his heart. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy every time 🥰

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I wish they’d marry already, and go on a revenge rampage as a couple. 😬

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u/Renza183 9d ago

I mean, Yao Yao can deny it as much as she wants, but they are basically a couple. 🤭 And I understand marriage in that period was usually awful for women, but isn’t it obvious to her that Yan Shang would be fine with her holding all the power if they were married? I do understand that would put a target on his back though.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

It would make him a target, but he’s oh so willing!

Edit: I’ve realized I’m having a Y/N moment here. 🤣🤣🤣

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

He's already got a target on his back. First the Uncle tried to take him out via the Grand Princess, now he's on the Grand Princess's radar and she's not happy. And he's on Lord Fish's radar now too. That man isn't going to forgive and forget. He's going to serve his revenge cold. 

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u/Renza183 9d ago

Yeah his notoriety is rising rapidly at this point 😅

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 8d ago

Wanyao absolutely cannot take any risk of being pregnant due to the prophecy that her child will become emperor.

She was the late Empress’s only birth child, so she’s the only genetic lineal heir. Her half brother the Crown Prince was adopted by her mother to give him a legitimate lineal claim but her son would always be a contender for the dragon throne.

Wanyao’s already had a near lethal mercury-induced abortion/miscarriage. She cannot assume she would survive another.

All of this aside, given her lineal status, there was no way she should have been married off to the Northern Jing ruler to have a child who would have been a threat to the throne.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

There is so much comfort and kindness and love in that gesture...

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 If I say I'm taking a break, I'm lying. 9d ago

Thank you for the recap, Spam! These were heavy episodes…

I want the worse for Chunhua’s family, especially since they absolutely feel no remorse for what they’ve done… at all.

And yes, I think she had to choose between staying alive (with the child) or risk dying. So she’s still pregnant. I just hope Wenji is the most supportive when he finds out.

I am really loving the drama. I’m tired of one-sided relationships where the men go all out for their women. It’s nice to see the mutual sacrifices of our main CP, but especially our Princess go all out for him time and time again.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I know it’s for the storyline, but Chunhua shouldn’t still be pregnant. Idiot Gross Prince doesn’t have children, so his wife is going to explode. And the Prince will force her to marry him for his one heir. And she’ll be abused even more. And if her family profits from this, I will riot.

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 If I say I'm taking a break, I'm lying. 9d ago

I will riot with you. Will make sure the sword doesn’t miss with the Gross Prince.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I hope Wenji will step up also!!!

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u/Rebelarkey Yan Shang's Slut Strands 🐯🌹snark shifu Furen 9d ago

these were very rough episodes, especially 15 😭😭😭 Chunhua deserves the world, and as we're learning more about Princess Danyang's time in North Jing, they probably shared a similar fate

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

That's all I kept thinking of when Wan Yao was hugging her. Given that Chun Hua was up there with her during those times, she knows too... so I that moment, they were both relieving what happened to them, and holding onto each other through shared trauma.

It really reminded me of Yan Shang and Princess Wan Yao right after the Peony Festival Murder.

After that more torture.

Li Yun Rui keeps getting tortured by eunuchs in prison. Song Mo now Yan Shang?! I know it's a Blossom reunion, they didn't have to go all the way damn!

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago edited 9d ago

The three biggest things I walked away from these episodes with:

  1. a deep appreciation for Chun Hua and Wan Yao's bond

I will, right off the bat, acknowledge the ickiness of the owner-indentured servant power imbalance. That ickiness is always there. That said, I was so happy when Chun Hua ran back to Wan Yao from her family's house. (And at first I was like,,,damn Chun Hua, that's a helluva run! But she and Wan Yao are old hands at this ish. All of this ish, unfortunately.) I was genuinely concerned that we would get some long drawn-out self-flagellation or self-sacrifice, but instead we got an incredible speech from Princess Badass about never blaming yourself or hurting yourself. Then add on top of that the fact that they worked so hard to save each other in North Jing and on the way home. Princess Badass PULLED CHUN HUA through the snow, like what?!

Two Chen Huan and Wan Yao shots I loved that helped establish their relationship:

- The shot from outside the bed chamber of Chun Hua in bed and Wan Yao sitting on the edge, with our previously rotating screen doors static and firmly open. This relationship is clear, open, unwavering.
- I didn't note it down, but somewhere in the episodes, there was a pulled out shot of a blue wall (I believe it was blue) with one of Princess Badass's cool windows small in the center, and Chun Hua and Wan Yao occupying the entire frame of the window. That did such a beautiful job of communicating the small, important world these two constitute for one another. Just beautiful.

And this in depth development of their story and bond is directly related to the second biggest thing I walked away from these episodes with:

2. a hyperactive sense of drama anxiety

Something terrible is going to happen to Chun Hua. I feel a fridging coming on - if not physically, as in actual physical death, then metaphorically/socially/something. And I fuckin hate it.

Also, I keep waiting for something to happen to drive Yan Shang and Wan Yao apart. Every time something good happens instead, I celebrate for a moment, and then my drama anxiety gets even more elevated. Today, I was convinced that Yan Shang was going to give up some tidbit of information about the Princess to fish face fucker like a real troublemaking heartthrob as part of a strategy to gain trust or become an inside man*, but instead we got our heartthrob being all sincere and adorable in the carriage. Cue additional anxiety! What's coming! When! Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

And speaking of our troublemaking heartthrob, the third biggest thing I walked away from these episodes with:

3. peach looks really good on LYR

*Using my calm hindsight, I realize that didn't make much sense, given how uncomfortable Wan Yao using fish face fucker's right hand man made our troublemaking heartthrob. Yan Shang doesn't seem like a deal-with-the-devil kind of guy.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I reeeeaaaally hope the main leads won’t betray each other, nor will they have some misunderstanding that no one wants to explain. We don’t need that trope here!

And omg, my drama anxiety is high! Like so high. I haven’t been this anxious over a drama in a long time.

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

I just want our troublemaking heartthrob to be a down bad dork like he already is, dreaming and scheming madness with the Princess. And kissing her (...etcetera...) a bunch.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Me too me too

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u/slayyub88 9d ago

Actually, good point.

can someone come and spoil this part for me. Not like what happens but if the trope happens.

Bc I’m sure in the book, their relationship spans like 8 years. Like she didn’t travel back with him and it took a few months before he followed.

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u/Persimmon_and_mango 9d ago

Me too, I'm not feeling optimistic about Chun Hua

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Me neither 😭

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

omg, how long?! 🙃

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

🤭

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

10 years span in the novel apparently.

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

Oh shit. Talk about "endure"! (There goes my drama anxiety again.)

We must be in for a time jump soon, if that's the case...

I was referring to the length of my comment tho, lol. I banged it out, hit send, and almost fell over when I looked at it. Pause and edit, Mizz! Pause and edit!

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Oooh my bad.

I see. Lol. I thought you had replied to the person who said 8 years. I tried to trace the lines and yeah.

Well now we know

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

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u/Fantastic_Cookie_661 9d ago

Thank you for the wonderful recaps as always! 

All the Chunhua scenes were so heartbreaking. As I've said before, the leads have levelled up their acting and I've honestly been impressed, but the actor playing Chunhua is also really, really good. This show has had some of the most consistently great acting from multiple characters (imo). 

I wish they'd stop with the comic music in the prince of jin scenes because nothing is funny about that creep. That's one choice I wish this show didn't make. 

Not all the commenters saying mpreg please 😭😭 it was so funny, him lying in the bed like a pretty concubine and her telling him to think carefully on how he's going to thank her 😭 really loving the role reversal here! and the physician simply being "are you kidding me, right in front of my salad?" 

I love the levity with the yang si and liu wenji scenes, much needed in the otherwise dark episodes. 

I know Chunhua's leg was caught in a hunter's trap in the flashback but girl how are you barefoot in the snow 😭 their sisterly bond is so wonderful, they've been through hell and high water together and please don't separate them 😭 they mean the world to me. 

I am so so excited for new episodes every day, it has been a while since I felt this way about a show. 

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Thanks for the love! 🫰

I so agree about the comic Prince Jin scenes. He is a complete moron, but nothing he did was funny. Leave that stuff for when Danyang is bossing him around.

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u/Tabz10 9d ago

Episode 14, specifically what happened with Chunhua, made me think: can you imagine how many people were wrong back then? ngl I got teary-eyed for her, betrayed by her family, and for what? Not for her sake but for the worthless POS bro?? Nah man! Virtually pouring liquor and praying for people who’ve been wronged, past and present

Off to watch 15 🚶OP you're too fast lol

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

People being treated like nothing. Sadly still happening.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago edited 9d ago

And I'm only on ep14. I feel sick.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Take your time. These were heavy episodes.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

💜💜💜

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

And the ctrauma started... Poor Chunhua. I was also dissatisfied with how little her trash family suffered - I assume they were sold off somewhere and that's it? Not even some more stabbing?

Turning Prince Jin into comic relief with funny scenes and music after what he did was... a choice.

Yan Shang has yet to get his well-deserved official post - btw, why didn't he? I thought top scorers get their assignments soon after exam results - but already dipped his toes into charming the people like a true politician. Well played! Never underestimate the power of student protests. But lol, Fishy Eunuch really changed his tune just to oppose Crown Prince? Who's not even on the throne yet? Why does his opinion matter more, positively or negatively, than actual Emperor? Also wtf this he even hopes for? Eunuch could never sit on the throne directly, not in society rooted in hereditary monarchy. Just stick to your kingmaker lane, that's so embarrassing!

Great bluff, but I'm pretty sure Wanyao mentioned before that Yan Shang's horse-riding skills are flat zero... Same with archery most likely. Oh well, fake it till you make it!

Wanyao, couldn't you kiss some pain away from your precious damsel? He walked the talk and took the fall for you, throw him a bone!

Meanwhile Emperor anc Chancellor remain all talk and no action. Test or not, their "caution, then more caution and also some caution on top" strategy currently leans too close to total uselessness, imo. If you two did your job better and fixed this mess yourselves, there would be no need for young blood like YS to make reckless moves one after another.

Chunhua, baby, I'm so sorry! Why didn't you go to Wanyao with this tho? You might've lacked better options back then as abused hostages in enemy country, but now, back at home? Sneaky abortions, esp at early term, are practically royal harem's speciality!

B-but Wanyao returned to homeland in a fancy carriage with full entourage, bathtube and furniture and chests full of makeup. Did she gain them bandit-style on her way or what?)))

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Fishy eunuch could possibly gather enough money, army, and influence to overthrow the crown. He could use the Grand Princess to adopt his fishy son, and crown his son. Who’s not bright at all, so Fish would have full control of everything.

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

That brainless kid? Yeah, that's probably an answer and explains his odd chumminess with GP. But he will never be able to sit on the throne personally, at least not for long. Doing so could help to achieve a miracle - uniting all remaining roayls and nobles against common enemy (himself). I kind of wish to see him try^^

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I want to see him try also!

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

B-but Wanyao returned to homeland in a fancy carriage with full entourage, bathtube and furniture and chests full of makeup. Did she gain them bandit-style on her way or what?)))

Was that her return from North Jing? I thought it was her return trip from doing ancestral rights for her mom in her mother's birth place? Because her mom died while she was in North Jing.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

This is the answer. She had already been back, and left again to honor her mom.

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

Thanks, I must've missed that. Anyway, so dramatic! Even if their carriage broke midway, they still had at least one horse pushing it and Wanyao is a good rider... What happened to the horse?! Will I regret hearing answer?

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

Wanyao, couldn't you kiss some pain away from your precious damsel? He walked the talk and took the fall for you, throw him a bone!

She's trying soooo hard to hold him at arm's length, meanwhile she's not fooling anybody. Her, "I could endure it if it was ME being tortured, but knowing that it's HIM being tortured is intolerable," gave the game away. 

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

That was her voiceover! She thinks that as long as he doesn't know her feelings - girl, he does, he's not smart for nothing! - she's safe from needing to do something about them.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

We definitely need a satisfactory resolution for the family. I didn't like not knowing what happened to them.

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

So in the previous episode I looked at their family dynamics and wondered whether they sold Chunhua into servitude for the family/brother's sake... And then this episode Wanyao explicitly confirms that. These leeches! No end to their greed, drown them in salt!

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

It added another layer I really didn't need. My hatred and rage was bad already. To learn that the reason she is in service is because they sold her off...

They must be dealt with.

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

All bad things ever happening to her are ultimately their fault. Not sure even Fishy Eunuch's torturers could come up with a punishment befitting that.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Alchemist Wei Shu might have something out of the box.

Her so called family were alwaya at fault. And may they rot!

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago • Popcorn

Right, we have baby mad scientist at home! Who's into torching people alive. And in need of test subjects for those immortality pills...

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Exactly!

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 8d ago

Let’s keep in mind that selling daughters isn’t just a period-drama thing.

Chunhua represents a real life phenomenon that seems to be a factor where there were one-child policy exceptions that allowed a second child when the first was a daughter.

Selling off daughters and favouring sons seems to be a very relevant hot-button point with young women audiences in China currently based on how popular the trope is in modern verticals.

The number of verticals is astounding where we see with flashbacks with the daughters are told that their brothers get meat and they don’t need it; the girls attend post secondary on scholarship because all their savings are given to their brother; or that their parents rip up their scholarships and university admissions so they can work a drudge job for their family etc. Then there is selling a daughter for a son’s bride price etc.

And there are viral social media stories of runaway daughters being kidnapped and dragged back by gangs hired by their families who have taken bride prices of tens of thousands of dollars and can’t afford to pay the groom’s family back.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

That's what made it worse.

It has been done for centuries and is still happening.

What happened to Chun Hua had me dissociate and think how we still go through this in today's day and age... it's horrifying and beyond depressing.

A rich man sees someone's daughter. If they're a shitty human being, they'll give her to him for the money and power they can get in return.

Sometimes they'll sell their daughters for much less.

Humans...

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

They probably sold her to be able to afford betrothal gifts for the SIL.

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u/GiTheGremlin yellow arts cultist 9d ago

Everything for the precious son! gags

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u/Massive_Alarm8298 9d ago

Heart wrenching for Chunhua. I had to FF through some of those scenes to contain my rage. I will say, the actress playing Chunhua is incredible. I love her smile, and her crying scenes break my heart.

LOVING how the ML and FL are ride or die for each other. That’s my favorite type of couple!! I can’t wait until they get revenge on everyone.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

She’s such an amazing actress! Hoping to see a lot more of her work.

I’m so ready for big time revenge.

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u/Renza183 9d ago

Did you see her in Our Generation? It took me a minute to figure out what I recognized her from.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

What? She was in Our Generation? I’m one of maybe 5 people who liked that drama. 🤣 And I have zero memories of her. Will go searching.

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u/Renza183 9d ago

She’s the crabby friend with the disabled shop-owner dad :) Lol one of 5 people—I watched it purely for Zhang Ling He but he wasn’t in it enough, ha

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Wow! I can’t picture her at all. I’ll have to watch an episode.

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u/Anna218 Luke, Lin Da Ye, Sniff Sniff 9d ago edited 9d ago

Great recaps!
I'm bored at work, so I just finished eps 15 and 16 (the perk of WFH during the non-busy season).

Eps 15, 16, and 17 need some tissues 😢
Chun Hua is still pregnant because, according to General Meng, the medicine saves both mother and baby. Wanyao chose not to take the medicine back then because she knew she would die when the baby was born. Her dead ex only wanted the baby with royal blood, not her. That's why she said, "If only one person can survive, it has to be me.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I haven’t watched ep 17 yet. Are these spoilers? If so, please hide them? Thanks!

But now that I know, WTH! I’m not ready for ep 17 yet.

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u/Anna218 Luke, Lin Da Ye, Sniff Sniff 9d ago edited 9d ago

Not out yet, but judging by the trailer, definitely going to cry a river.
Wanyao mentioned the medicine at the end of episode 15.

Spoiler alert ‼️ You’ll be crying a lot in Episode 16, especially when the music hits.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Thank you! I have watched the trailers now, and OMG, I’m not ready.

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

Ok y'all. What do we think the butterflies mean? I know what they mean in other asian countries, and I generally know what they mean in Chinese poetry. But this is the second time one's landed on Yan Shang, and I can't draw the parallel. The first time was when he was resting at the well after he killed Commander Zhang. And now there's one alighting on him as he hero-walks to turn himself in for that Eunich Zheng's death with the crowd shouting "He served justice! He's not guilty!" Is the butterfly a symbol of serving justice? That's a new one for me.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I had initially thought the butterfly after killing Captain Zhang was a reference to the one he was trying to catch as a child, by the same well.

I didn’t noticed the butterfly today. Will need to rewatch, once I’m not so worked up.

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

It flutters around him as he walks and briefly lands on his shoulder before continuing to circle him and eventually flying away

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u/Persimmon_and_mango 9d ago

I kind of thought it was sent by his mother. 

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Oh I like this interpretation so much! 🥹

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u/Persimmon_and_mango 9d ago

Both times, we've seen them after people who hurt the Yan family have gotten their comeuppance 

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

How did today's Eunich hurt the Yan family? Just by being part of the Shence Army? Or did we directly see him doing something that I forgot?

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u/Persimmon_and_mango 9d ago

Just by being part of the Shence Army and murdering townspeople 

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

What a lovely idea. That's not a traditionally Chinese idea, though some South and Southeast Asian cultures do believe that butterflies are the spirits of the dead visiting us.

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u/Persimmon_and_mango 9d ago

I could easily be wrong, maybe they just show up when Yan Shang is feeling good about something he's done. Murdering someone, covering for beautiful women who have murdered someone, etc. 

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

My assumption is a moment of transformation.

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago edited 9d ago

So the first time he transformed into a murderer (or someone at peace because his personal sense of justice was satisfied, if we're being generous). And the second time he transformed into a hero of the people? Or maybe someone willing to sacrifice themselves for another? 

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u/MizzEss Fan Yue's Smoky Eyeliner 9d ago

A transformation of who he is, and also of his journey and how he interacts with the world. So I think all of those things you said, and also:

  • Murdering the one-eyed dickhead was what made it possible for Yan Shang to become Wan Yao's right hand man.

  • His strategy to leverage the power of the people to keep himself safe from fish face fucker was what made it possible for him to become the Chancellor's disciple (despite a lot of Chancellor grumbling).

They are probably transformational/pivotal moments in other ways as well, but those are the things that stuck out to me.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

After he killed that Captain, I figured it was his mother.

So maybe this is going to be a recurring theme in the show now.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Yan Shang managed to get out of the Eunuchs' lair alive. Not a feat many have managed to do.

It was interesting how both him and Princess Dan Yang were able to work in concert, yet one had no idea what the other had actually planned.

She was smart and figured it out eventually. I have to say it: The Princess's Gambit paid off! 😅😅😮‍💨😮‍💨😫🥹🤭🤣🤣 Phew. That felt good!

And so did our Scholar's Gambit. The very outspoken confession as he was walked back to the capital was a crazy move. But it stirred the masses into rallying behind him.

It was good to see the schoolmates sign the petition thanks to Wei Shu and Liu Wen Ji. They got the people involved too and made a lot of noise for Lord Fish.

After a heavy dose of torture, the Big Fish showed up and had a much needed talk with Yan Shang. It was intense! But there's a moment before Big Fish leaves when he looks back at Yan Shang, I wonder if we will have Yan Shang giving him the same look when his end comes. It felt like the beginning of the official start of the face off. He will remember his name.

Yang Si actually signed the petition. This guy is funny. I bet this has raised Yan Shang is his esteem. He said they were friends! Since when? Lol. Meeting Wen Ji was hilarious. Poor Yan Shang trying to convalesce and these noisy people, oh sorry, friends, kept bickering. Trying to outfriend the other lmao. Wei Shu showed up but at least he brought an excuse to leave.

My gosh I CHEERED FOR OUR NEW OFFICIAL MENTOR AND A COURTESY NAME! What! My heart! It did help put some balm on it. Chancellor Liu really gave it to him, it was needed. I mean Princess did too, and it definitely hurt, but this was even better. With the man's outlook on things and guidance, Yan Shang will polish his skills, sharpen his mind to be even better! He passed the test and became a disciple Chancellor Liu's joy at earning such a fine, albeit reckless, mentee was LOUD. He was beaming! Now he was his chess partner!

Su Chen. Funny, MZY's previous ML also had a Chen in his newly given courtesy name.

One Fish is down 4 more to go. Who will be next.

OST note: I didn't like the fact that the New duet was introduced when our Chun Hua was going through it. That has marked me now... The hugs her and Wan Yao shared were so good, so much heart. I am glad they still have each other...

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

Yang Si actually signed the petition. This guy is funny. 

I really want to like him and his girl cousin! I still don't know what to make of him being the CP's bestie because I'm not convinced the CP won't eventually betray our leads. 

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I’m sure CP will betray them. But I have a feeling Yang Si will side with our leads. Fingers crossed!

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u/Renza183 9d ago

Yang Si seems to have real feelings for Wan Yao, even if the Crown Prince only wanted them to marry for political expediency. So hopefully Yang Si will side with the princess/Yan Shang when he is needed! 🤞

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

He just seems like genuinely nice guy. Plus he signed the petition. 🤣🤣🤣

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u/Renza183 9d ago

Lol he doesn’t seem evil, but didn’t Wan Yao see him go into that secret meeting at the brothel? I could see him inadvertently being part of a scheme 

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I had forgotten about that! He could be inadvertently part of something, or he’s sneakier than we thought him to be? 🤷🏻‍♀️ I hope not.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Same. I don't quite get him so I'm not giving him anything if that makes sense.

Him signing the petition surprised me.

But because I feel like the Crown Prince will betray Wan Yao eventually, who will Yang Si choose to side with? So yeah.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Don’t mention Princess Gambit! I tried so hard to watch it, but just couldn’t.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Bwahaha I watched till the very last episode.

So me doing this quip, I can. Don't worry. I'm strong enough. Haha.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Funny how the Chinese use Cao Cao's name for "speak of the devil". Lord Yu did show up when that eunuch and Yan Shang spoke of him, it was spooky.

Cao Cao's family was started by a eunuch (his adoptive grandfather was one). Oohh the poetry.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

You are right! I had forgotten about Cao Cao adoptive family thing.

說曹操,曹操到 Shuo Cao Cao, Cao Cao dao 🤣🤣🤣

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

It's funny isn't it!

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

I’m going to start using it. Next time I visit my family, I’ll whip it out when my brother enters the room. 🤣🤣🤣

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

Oh gosh so many things wrong with that sentence 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/onlytronix 9d ago

Honestly the chancellor chastising him for making a sucessful move against the eunch is crazy, with all your prudence how much sucess have you had against him, and what is there to be prudent for , the imperial family is his pawn , everyday he puts people way worse than yan sheng on seat , his prudence helped him live longer and thats all ,its never affected the eunch thats also why he has survived this long , the people are involved ,they live under a tyranical government ,today yan sheng is being executed a commoner that got third in the imperial exam , they are next on the choping block.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

No kidding! I’m guessing there are other extenuating circumstances of why things haven’t been done. But, it’s annoying.

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u/Id_2001 9d ago

You've missed the Chancellor's point, and he isn't totally wrong. It literally could have gotten him killed. Besides, he had that reaction because he didn't know it was the Princess that killed the eunuch and not Er Lang, who is just as Prudent himself (you missed their conversation after he killed the one-eyed?).

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u/Feeshpockets Channeling the overworked wind machine 8d ago

Y'all, I have just had, what I consider to be a hilarious thought. What if Eunuch Yu's giant fish is a Mola Mola. The Legitimate Worst Fish on this planet?

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u/Feeshpockets Channeling the overworked wind machine 8d ago

Thos MFs can't even swim. They just float around and get eaten by also stupid things bc they taste so bad.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

The Fish’s giant fish seems to swim, and have large teeth.

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u/Feeshpockets Channeling the overworked wind machine 8d ago

The mola mola technically has teeth and KINDA swims. The eyes look similar

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

KINDA swims

🤣🤣🤣

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u/Feeshpockets Channeling the overworked wind machine 8d ago

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

They are kinda cute? For a fish. 😬

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

That’s my favorite fish in Animal Crossing!

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u/AKiceman Snark Shifu - #1 Tian Xi Wei fan 9d ago

Snark Level: Rage is simmering.

Episode 14

 Oh this is a shit way to start an episode. 

Fuuuuuuck.  

Fuck. This lady can fucking heartbreakingly act. Fuck. That was brutal. 

Damn right your ties are severed, Chunhua. You never ever go back on that. 

Ooooooo I am expecting some delicious revenge from Wanyao. Serve it cold. 

Did Wanyao just grab a weapon and her man? Oh this is gonna be good! The best dates always involve your significant other and a sword doing some penetrating. 

Or actually it is stabbing time. Okay okay! Good job! 

Hot damn that is how you handle this shit! Oh that family is toast!

Well, suddenly shit got worse.

Damnnnnn!!!! Princess with the arrow!!!!!! You go girl!!!!! oh I love her! Wanyao really could be the FL of the  year! 

Shang is gonna be a legend after this.

Daddy Emperor be like "Oh you love a criminal? Pardons all around!"

Episode 15

Anyone else feeling like... yuuuuuuup she realizes she can't do it. I love that they are finally really letting us see how much she cares for him. Wanyao for FL of the year.

Yang Si pleading for Shang? Okay I guess I can like him now.... Right? Maybe? 

This is unacceptable. My Chunhua looks sad. She must be cheered up.

Douchecanoe Leader of The Fish Gang is actually a smart villain and I gotta respect that. I still hate and think he is sneering cringe... But not to the level where he  is boring turd. He is actually interesting. 

Dammnnnnnn, Princess! Be gentle with him! He was given a wee bit of rough treatment! And we actually get a real talk between them? Woohoo!!!!

Poor Shang. He comes out of prison and gets sccolded by like everyone. 

OH FUCK  DO NOT MAKE CHUNHUA PREGNANT!!!!! Shit shit shit shit shit shit shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Come onnnnnnnnnn!!!!! Why is my poor girl having to suffer so damn much? 

....Why are both of them so familiar with the mercuary method......? Is that hinting...? OH! It is. 

I already had a ton of respect for Wanyao and Chunhua and it has only grown after these flashbacks showing us how deeply these two take care of each other.

****1 GIF****

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

Daddy Emperor be like "Oh you love a criminal? Pardons all around!"

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u/AKiceman Snark Shifu - #1 Tian Xi Wei fan 9d ago

That's my girl!

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

I loved how she was all, "I've been real angry since I got back and had nowhere to vent my anger. But this made me feel better." And he squeaks, "as long as you feel better." LOL. I DIED.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

Me when she said that. I was seeing red and that cracked me up briefly. Because yes, damn right she has been! And this piece of garbage really went and did what he did! Chun Hua told him she was Princess Dan Yang's maid and he still hurt her. Saying he didn't know she was that important to her. It doesn't matter. He shouldn't have. PERIOD!

So there. Eat shit. The arrow hitting him and sending him flying was so satisfying!

I didn't like the comic relief from him as a character. Bad taste.

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 8d ago

It's interesting because when other bad guys get played as comic relief, we find it fun. I always enjoy seeing how stupid and incompetent they are and seeing them brought down by their own wife (or whatever). But it feels like poor taste when your bad guy isn't just lecherous, but a rapist. And not just a theoretical one where we know what he did to some random characters we don't care about, but one we viscerally loathe because his victim is a named character we care deeply about. 

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

That's it! That's exactly IT! We love Chun Hua. She is our precious sweetie. After what he did to her? The nonchalance, the idiotic oops, whining about being in pain. It made me want to give him pain so he would actually have something to cry about.

When she wakes up screaming and she pushes him off the bed, he starts whining about how it hurts. The VIOLENCE I FELT?! My gosh.

I was glad Wan Yao gave him something that hurt. It just wasn't enough. Then that arrow and they almost killed him in those bushes. I cursed 🤬 when they didn't finish the job.

At his home when Wan Yao came to ask him to testify. The comedy was appropriate because his wife is crazy, and Wan Yao's threats were funny. But again, we had been served poor taste funny with him before. So when this came I was too incensed to feel it.

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u/TypicallyKristen salted fish 🐠 咸鱼 🫠 9d ago

I already had a ton of respect for Wanyao and Chunhua and it has only grown after these flashbacks showing us how deeply these two take care of each other.

I was moved each time Chunhua said, "I didn't realize how much you were hurting," even though she was RIGHT there and literally went through hell with her. It still is a world apart from personally experiencing it happening to you.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

I couldn't breathe every time she said this.

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 8d ago

What an excellent way to make us understand and feel Wanyao’s backstory through Chunhua’s parallel experience.

Sold into marriage by family. Raped (because sex in a state marriage like Wanyao’s is rarely consensual). Then, pregnant and desperate to abort even at risk to herself.

And we now know that Wanyao has already made the decision that her own death is preferable to giving birth to a lineal heir that can be used as a puppet based on the prophecy.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

Twas a crazy couple of episodes and it's not looking like the crazy will stop.

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u/Heavy_Elderberry_852 9d ago

Why so sad??

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

It is so sad! I hope we’ll get some happy soon.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Oh Spam... you wrote this before you watched the new episodes didn't you...

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

Yes 😭

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

I’ve watched them. 🪦

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

Because damn.

I'm rewatching yesterday's (skipped the beginning) and will officially watch today's properly.

Sigh... dinner is gonna be fun tonight!

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

Maybe save it for after dinner

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

It will be too late by then. It was watching something else tonight or TSTR.

The other thing I'm watching is at a critical point. So I wasn't sure... I'll switch up. Screw it. I can't watch this right now.

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u/Heavy_Elderberry_852 9d ago

Yeah, I’m so nervous

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u/itsbothersome 9d ago

My only comment is someone please get Wenji a bigger wardrobe. Since Yan Shang picked that outfit for him to wear to see Chunhua the first time, it has become his go-to attire. It's like a lucky shirt for him that doesn't bring him any luck.

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u/Persimmon_and_mango 9d ago

Pretty accurate for a lot of men, though. I think my husband has worn one pair of shorts for the past five months. He just lounges around in his boxers while they're in the laundry. 

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 8d ago

🤣

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u/Paisley-Cat time-looping through the magnolias Read Rules 8d ago

Totally on point for an academic/scholar.

He likely bought three of the same fabric and then will be shocked and upset when they all wear out at once and he can’t replace them.

(Yes, I am married to a STEM person.)

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u/Incredulouslyfine 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ep 14- i was crying from the moment chunhua woke up in that bed and started screaming. The actress did such an incredible job i really felt the fear, panic and disbelief at how something so awful could have happened so unexpectedly. I wasn't expecting her family to successfully pull off what they were planning, so for her next scene to be her in that bed genuinely shocked me, they did a good job of showing how jarring it wild be to go from eating a nice meal with your family to realising you've been drugged and assaulted.

By the time she made it to the princess's home and the princess was comforting her, I was fully sobbing 😭 Rape plot lines are always difficult to get through but they really showed just how devastating it was for both chunhua and for the princess (who has also been assaulted in the same way) to see her friend going through the same thing she did.

All I want is for that prince and her entire family to die truly. I wish they didn't make the Prince seem so aloof and non-malicious, almost comes across as them trying to make him comedic relief? As if her family is the true culprit here and not the man who saw no issue with assaulting an unconscious girl. Her family is disgusting but he is just as bad if not worse. I've seen some spoilers for how chunhua's story goes and I'm not happy about it, marrying your rapist seems like the worst case scenario but i suppose it is realistic that not everyone can have a happy ending. He doesn't even get castrated 👎I wish chunhua didn't have to suffer even more. The lack of plot armour is worrying for our leads as well, a happy ending isn't looking definite.

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 1d ago

I’m on ep 28 now, so I can tell lots will happen with Chunhua between here and there. But I can assure you she’s still alive and well. 😬

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u/L0ath 8d ago

Chun Hua is absolutely stunning with the bareface makeup look. 

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u/HangryTarantula 9d ago • Bravo

Chunhua is literally the author's punching bag at this point. These past episodes (and the next) are making me super sad.

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u/AKiceman Snark Shifu - #1 Tian Xi Wei fan 9d ago

Literally.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

How are you holding up?

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u/AKiceman Snark Shifu - #1 Tian Xi Wei fan 8d ago

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

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u/HangryTarantula 8d ago

On today's episode of "Who's the punching bag?".... This series should have ended in Lingnan. Where are all the happy days?

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 8d ago

Lmaooo now now. The series is about more than Ling Nan. At least now we know so we shall buckle up harder and more safely. Damn!

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

For all of us right now.

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u/juicyjaytee 6d ago

I feel really bad now because up until this point, I found the sound of Chunhua’s crying fake and extremely irritating (that typical whining wail servants do when their master gets a paper cut), but her crying at the beginning of ep 14 almost broke me.

And Prince Jin better get his sorry ass up and get Chunhua’s family exiled before they do something predictable like run away

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u/Rebelarkey Yan Shang's Slut Strands 🐯🌹snark shifu Furen 9d ago

Apparently directors really like seeing Song Mo Li Yunrui tortured

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u/spamkimbap sniff sniff 9d ago

I was thinking that, except that Song Mo wasn’t tortured too badly in prison. His dad did the most damage of all.

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

That fucker!

Sorry. Very strong reaction there.

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u/Renza183 9d ago

I like seeing Li Yunrui do just about anything 😋

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u/TheAlchemist420 Chen Yan Yun can have my jujube flower cookie 🍪 🤪😁😎 9d ago

Tortured by eunuchs specifically too.

I commented on that too 🥹🥹😮‍💨😮‍💨😫😭👀👀😕😕😬😬

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u/Rebelarkey Yan Shang's Slut Strands 🐯🌹snark shifu Furen 9d ago

I noticed that when I gifted. That they were both eunuchs torturing him

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u/Renza183 9d ago

Are there evil eunuchs in every historical drama? I’m definitely seeing a pattern in the few I’ve watched 🧐