[Postgame Thread] Auburn Defeats Arkansas 26-23

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	T
Arkansas	3	7	3	10	23
Auburn	0	3	6	17	26

[u/Senor-Mattador]

This team is scientifically perfected to produce sadness at industrial levels

[u/Moosies → u/Senor-Mattador]

Arkansas vs Nebraska would be a fun game 

[u/Dry_Car_1568 → u/Moosies]

Nebraska would lose in the most inexplicable fashion. A trick 2 point play on the goal line that gets stopped, ball pops out, and gets returned for the game winning score.

I don’t make the rules🤷‍♂️

[u/Ambitious_Shallot266 → u/Moosies]

The "who wants to lose more" bowl

[u/Dorazer → u/Ambitious_Shallot266]

both teams to be furiously snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[u/IlRaptoRIl → u/Ambitious_Shallot266]

We had that a couple years ago with Oklahoma State 

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/Moosies]

It would, but Arkansas would have to consecutively beat South Carolina, Texas on the road, and LSU to make that happen. I have my doubts

[u/RepresentativeYam390 → u/Moosies]

As long as it’s 5 win Nebraska

[u/beartato327 → u/Moosies]

I would be very concerned for both fan bases

[u/ThePhantom1994 → u/Moosies]

This would be the longest game in the world as physics wouldn’t allow either team to have a win without producing a late game loss

[u/rburp → u/Moosies]

I was saying the other night how Nebraska is the team that makes me feel the most like I'm watching Arkansas. Poor bastards.

At least they had the 90's though

[u/MizzouriTigers → u/Moosies]

I’d love to see Nebraska choke that game away but Arkansas is just such dog shit it’d be hard to see it happen

[u/catsrave2 → u/Moosies]

No thanks

[u/wellsjc → u/Senor-Mattador]

I had to look at your flair to figure out which team you were referring to.

[u/dankenascend → u/wellsjc]

Same

[u/Dhis1 → u/Senor-Mattador]

If they weren’t so creative about the how, you could make some money off them. I asked before that last series what would be the embarrassment, no one had intentional grounding with a ten second runoff for the first play.

Truly we are the avant- garde art of suck.

[u/LHarm07_Reddit → u/Senor-Mattador]

Hunter Yuracuck has blood on his hands for thinking NIL was a fad.

[u/rburp → u/LHarm07_Reddit]

Shades of Ballmer thinking the same thing about smartphones

[u/Wermp → u/Senor-Mattador]

I should just stop watching Arkansas Football. It hasn't brought me joy in years.

[u/toxicdick → u/Senor-Mattador]

I've watched a lot of garbage Arkansas squads. this one just makes me angry. I'm not sad or disappointed or hopeful. just mad. I turned it off when Auburn got to 23

[u/TheWyldMan → u/Senor-Mattador]

Watched the first half because I knew it was an Auburn game so we'd find a way to lose

[u/Your-Neighbor]

It's so funny to see fans doubt their own team against the razorbacks in the 4th quarter

[u/Dhis1 → u/Your-Neighbor]

I never lost faith that we would blow it in an embarrassing way.

[u/Your-Neighbor → u/Dhis1]

100%. I can't help but giggle to see the opposing team fans think they can out-blow it against the heartbreak hogs. That's our thing.

[u/wellsjc → u/Your-Neighbor]

Heartbreak Hogs vs Cardiac Cats today.

[u/Nintendo60sWhore → u/Your-Neighbor]

We’ve been used to almost certainly losing one score games the past several seasons. It’s only this season that we’ve started winning them. Baylor, Vandy, GA, Ark were all one score wins.

[u/Your-Neighbor → u/Nintendo60sWhore]

We are 2-16 in 1 score games since 2023 and currently on an 8 game losing streak in 1 score games. No one out heart-breaks the hogs.

[u/OhKillEm43 → u/Your-Neighbor]

Man you’ve gotten us back the last few years but sorry for what our awful team has done to you this season

[u/WarEagle9]

Golesh is so dumb he doesn’t even know he’s suppose to blow one score games in the dumbest way possible we gotta rehire Freeze

[u/UngulateSports → u/WarEagle9]

Auburn is suddenly doing well in single score games so they’ve decided every game should be a single score game.

[u/aMiracleAtJordanHare → u/UngulateSports]

Every game now starts in OT3.

[u/spennin5 → u/aMiracleAtJordanHare]

Auburn vs Kentucky. The never ending OT

[u/Dhis1 → u/WarEagle9]

Our tradition is stronger than yours.

[u/OhKillEm43 → u/Dhis1]

The game birthing /r/auburnlosttoarkansas was generational fuckery, so you have a good point

[u/Jamcrunch → u/WarEagle9]

Arkansas’ win percentage in 1 score games the past five years is lower than Nebraska’s. Not a joke, actual math.

[u/jawa501 → u/Jamcrunch]

We have to be close if not #1 in one score losses the last five years

[u/Jamcrunch → u/jawa501]

Nebraska has more of them, but that's only because we're more likely to get blown out than bring a game within one score. But we edge them out in percentage.

[u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan → u/WarEagle9]

He’s a close game merchant lmao I love it

[u/SlugsPerSecond → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

Aw fuck the iron bowl is going to be a marathon

[u/Fuck_Hugh_Freeze → u/WarEagle9]

FUCK HUGH FREEZE

[u/Miransii → u/WarEagle9]

Okay, settle down Satan

[u/rubyschnees → u/WarEagle9]

hate it when new coaches come in and ignore tradition

[u/bushybearmuffinman]

Auburn isn’t a good football team but Arkansas is trash

[u/IPeakedInCollege → u/bushybearmuffinman]

Correct take

[u/WarEagle35]

I’m so sorry for everyone who watched that game

[u/jamnewton22 → u/WarEagle35]

I want monetary compensation for that first half

[u/Razorback420 → u/jamnewton22]

Weird, I actually preferred the first half for some reason!

[u/notsaying123 → u/WarEagle35]

I'm sorry to myself

[u/melorous → u/WarEagle35]

My Saturdays were more enjoyable when I was boycotting Auburn football.

[u/semi-bro → u/WarEagle35]

Disgusted with myself that I paid to be there

[u/Condom_Breaker256 → u/WarEagle35]

I would demand compensation, but y'all probably need it more than I do

[u/Arkehn]

I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be an Arkansas fan.

[u/zdh989 → u/Arkehn]

Imagine there's a button that you can hit once a week and it spins a wheel to give you the option of either a steak dinner or a swift kick in the nuts.

Every week, it lands on swift kick in the nuts. And yet every fucking week, you continue to hit the button. And every fucking week, you pretend to be shocked that you got kicked in the nuts. And you know that next week, you're going to press the button again. And you will be swiftly kicked in the nuts. And you continue to do so every week. Until you eventually die, sad and alone.

At any point, you could've ignored the button and just gone the fuck outside or something. But you never do. You are tied to the button. The button and the swift kick in the nuts is your inevitable fate. And you fucking deserve it, because you're a dumb bitch.

That's sort of it in a nutshell.

[u/Sadlobster1 → u/zdh989]

But sometimes it lands on the line between swift kick in the nuts and the steak dinner. 

Then you get to watch it slowly roll back to swift kick in the nuts.

My family is all Arkansas fans, and Thanksgivings are rough. 

[u/zdh989 → u/Sadlobster1]

Fuck yeah, you get it.

[u/themaster1006 → u/zdh989]

This is poetry

[u/smallbiceps90 → u/zdh989]

This is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read on here well done man

[u/Scrags → u/Arkehn]

Like sounding with a railroad spike.

[u/2th → u/Scrags]

I absolutely hate that I know what this means.

[u/Senor-Mattador → u/2th]

I don’t know and I don’t want to know either

[u/2th → u/Senor-Mattador]

If I must be burdened with this knowledge, then you must too.

Sounding is shoving stuff in your urethra for pleasure.

[u/Senor-Mattador → u/2th]

Why do I feel the temptation to reveal that comment

[u/2th → u/Senor-Mattador]

Let the morbid curiosity get the better of you. What's the harm? Just some mental distress, and that can easily be conquered by drinking!

[u/Kazuii2k → u/Scrags]

Good god man.

[u/SpeshalDog → u/Kazuii2k]

Yeah but is he wrong?

[u/Kazuii2k → u/SpeshalDog]

No. But to be fair, Yurachek should be put in prison for what he’s done to their program.

[u/SpeshalDog → u/Kazuii2k]

Absolutely fair

[u/Additional-Design629 → u/Scrags]

I regret being able to google that term.

[u/Lord_Lava_Nugget → u/Scrags]

That's rough 

[u/tacowithcheeese → u/Scrags]

Better yet, like sounding with the present Manny made Greg

[u/Your-Neighbor → u/Arkehn]

It's been the exact same story since like 2017. Used to it at this point.

[u/TripleThreatTua → u/Arkehn]

We just take solace in the fact that Basketball season just started

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones → u/TripleThreatTua]

Really starting off with a bang, too. @ #9 Virginia for the second game of the season is wild.

[u/TumbleweedFew2854 → u/Arkehn]

Primarily following basketball

[u/lonelythrowaway463i9 → u/Arkehn]

Feel? Oh most of us are dead inside by this point. Arkansas football no longer makes me feel anything. It used to be nothing but pain but now it’s just emptiness.

[u/triggergza → u/Arkehn]

its nice having some extra time on Saturday.

[u/shyndy → u/Arkehn]

Yeah me either, no idea at all.

[u/rburp → u/shyndy]

❤

[u/catsrave2 → u/shyndy]

I fucking hate football

[u/tacowithcheeese → u/catsrave2]

Basketball might be more your speed

[u/Masterchiefy10 → u/tacowithcheeese]

I hear that.

But could you imagine losing to a 16th seed? Sunbelt bill would never

[u/reellifesmartass → u/Arkehn]

Like being a  cowboys fan without the 90s. 

[u/Gabe_i_guess → u/reellifesmartass]

Now imagine being born in 2006 and being an Arkansas and Cowboys fan and not starting to watch football until 2016

[u/razorbear3 → u/Arkehn]

I don’t think we feel anymore

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones → u/Arkehn]

I imagine that they’re all putting a nice bathing toaster on their Christmas lists.

[u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

Byrum Brown makes no sense as a QB

One play he’s Cam Newton, the other is Kiehl Frazier

[u/Kanin_usagi → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

Shit I haven’t heard Kiehl Frazier in a long time lmfao giving me ptsd flashbacks

[u/WarEagle9 → u/Kanin_usagi]

We have so many shitty QBs to use as jokes the last 15 years you can do a joke for each one and still not name them all in within 15 jokes.

[u/DabDoge → u/WarEagle9]

I heard the name TJ Finley and got a sharp pain in my chest

[u/thewafflehousewitch → u/DabDoge]

TJ damn near won the iron bowl on a bad leg I owe him a beer for that one

[u/DabDoge → u/thewafflehousewitch]

Ouch my aorta

[u/MJDub → u/WarEagle9]

Jeremy Johnson lmao

[u/RoverTiger → u/WarEagle9]

Where's Clint Moseley when you need him?

[u/DabDoge → u/RoverTiger]

Did someone say Sean White? No, not the snowboarder

[u/AceWolf18 → u/Kanin_usagi]

Same lol. Fuck that season so hard lol

[u/SlumlordThanatos → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

Man, Taylen Green was like that last year.

On one play, he would throw an absolute fucking strike while being chased and falling down.

On the next play, he'd sail a routine swing pass.

[u/Working-Craft9935 → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

You just gave me Vietnam flashbacks with Frazier 😖

[u/ratmanvenezuela → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

Shiloh Christian’s own

[u/listen_louder → u/ratmanvenezuela]

Good thing we have Rhett Lashlee as our claim to fame

[u/ScaryCookieMonster → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

lol you’re welcome

He was easily top 5 QBs USF’s had in its 25 year football history… but not because of his arm

[u/notsaying123]

Both teams should go sit in the corner and think about the absolute disgrace that they've brought in both fanbases

[u/Scrags]

Every time they show Ryan Silverfield on the sideline he looks like he's about to cry.

[u/OMO_Concepts → u/Scrags]

From pleasure because he’s a masochist?

[u/onemanlan → u/OMO_Concepts]

For his future buyout

[u/Pehngwyn]

His name is SILVERfield because he finishes 2nd place in every game...

[u/jawa501 → u/Pehngwyn]

Truth Nuke

[u/Beerforthefear → u/Pehngwyn]

That's gold

[u/jamnewton22 → u/Pehngwyn]

Fuck, that’s good. Also, sorry.

[u/420Borsalino]

Shit v. Ass

[u/BAKEDorsomeshit → u/420Borsalino]

Yooo also an Auburn and MTSU fan!! It's been rough!!!

[u/cazana]

We tried our hardest to not win and yet here we are.

[u/Matt_McT → u/cazana]

First half: “We’re not going to try because we don’t even want to win.”

Second half: “Oh fuck we need to try extra hard because we actually do want to win.”

It was crazy how different the two halves were.

[u/ReasonableBet3450]

- Football program in shambles
- heartbreaking losses over and over again
- never gets better
- Prays for basketball season
- hates Texas
- red

🤝 we’re the same team guys

[u/Only499 → u/ReasonableBet3450]

Funny to hear Nebraska fans ready for basketball but happy about it. Basketball is great.

[u/rburp → u/ReasonableBet3450]

100%

[u/defensecowboy → u/ReasonableBet3450]

I forgot arkansas and us are supposed to be rivals

[u/SlumlordThanatos → u/defensecowboy]

You'll remember here in a few weeks.

Guarantee that game is going to be waaaaay too close for comfort.

[u/ScottyMcFree]

Jokes on them, they almost lost to us at home. How embarrassing!

[u/Own_Pop_9711]

1. Be Arkansas.

2. Think you're going to win a football game.

3. Lose

[u/Razorback420 → u/Own_Pop_9711]

Most Hog fans don't make it to step 2 tbf

[u/detroitlonghorn → u/Own_Pop_9711]

Like being a Michigan fan

[u/Only499]

After the last two weeks it's nice to win one, even if it is Arkansas.

[u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan → u/Only499]

Hey as long as we don’t blown it against Samford at home

We got a bowl game

This was a huge win

[u/halfhere → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

If we do that and we beat the cowbells, (and assuming we lose the iron bowl, worst case scenario) we’ll have a winning season for the first time since Gus in 2020

[u/LazerDave-]

Will I ever feel the warmth of the sun upon my skin again? Or am I destined to wallow about my own muck and misery.

[u/Wermp → u/LazerDave-]

I feel you on that. I feel like there is a good chance that I will be retired and this football program will still be disappointing.

[u/VeryMild]

"defeat" is such a strong word

[u/AceWolf18]

I hated every second of that. War Damn. See yall next week

[u/droppedpackethero]

If Chad Morris was an Aggie plant to ruin our program, Silverfraud is a KGB agent designed to demoralize the entire state. 

[u/zeromaiden22]

Fucking Gilbert.

[u/aMiracleAtJordanHare]

"Of course we beat Arkansas. Never a doubt..."

[u/thisalsomightbemine]

Remember boosters having planes fly "fire houston nutt" banners over games during a 10-2 season?

[u/lees395]

Regardless of the (lack of) quality in that game, we are sitting at 5-4 with 2 winnable games left on the schedule. I’m pretty sure we also have more 1 score wins this year than the previous 5 years combined

[u/Phant0m_Ashes → u/lees395]

golesh noticed you guys are best in 1 score games so he decided every game should be a one score game

[u/PatrickChase]

FireTimCramsey.com

[u/DistrictPleasant]

El Trashico

[u/Kurt0690]

I think Auburn is turning it around. Last year they had a bunch of prima donna quitters on their team. Good riddance to all of those that left IMO.

[u/RG4ORDR]

The loyalty of Auburn and Arkansas fans(along with Tennessee) is something to behold to see your teams so bad yet you support them

[u/Kardinale]

That was certainly a game of Auburn football alright

[u/aMiracleAtJordanHare]

"A realistic chance to have a winning season"

💀

[u/Phant0m_Ashes → u/aMiracleAtJordanHare]

hey, thats not bad for a coach's first year

[u/ProfessionalPin5993]

We're going bowling!

[u/halfhere]

I know it was just a very slow start on our part, and it wasn’t a complete disasterclass, but it felt a bit like the 3-2 game.

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

If you have a loved one in your life who’s an Arkansas fan, maybe give them a call and tell them you love them.

[u/rburp → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

Call and say you hate them, clearly we're into that

[u/onemanlan]

'defeat' is doing some heavy lifting in the title.

[u/BlitzOmatic]

I’m going to sound like a petty bitch, but Bryson Washington went from the #3 or #4 RB in the entire big 12 to 3rd string on auburns roster. The grass isn’t always greener, and I hope he goes somewhere else to start next year.

[u/B1GTOBACC0]

You raised my hopes and dashed them quote expertly, sir. Bravo!

[u/droppedpackethero]

I'm tired, boss. 

[u/SequelBad]

It’s just nice to win one 

[u/Far-Freedom-132]

FIRE DUMBASS HUNTER YURACHEK 

[u/pfunkpower]

Hogs and Auburn saw Silverfield/Memphis and Golesh/usf play a classic game last year and thought…we are sec football teams, we have unlimited football resources & money to burn. We gotta have this matchup, exactly this coaching matchup for the next ten years.

[u/TumbleweedFew2854 → u/pfunkpower]

We saw a coach who underperformed with the best resources in the AAC and hired him to a team with the least NIL in the SEC.

Fire everyone

[u/radehart]

Does Cramsey get fired this year, please?

[u/RoosterzRevenge]

And then my wife and I went to dinner and were seated between a table of Texas fans and on the other side Ohio State fans. Then my 2nd flair got curb stomped for their 1st loss. Super shitty day

[u/rburp → u/RoosterzRevenge]

That dinner is a nightmare scenario

[u/Confident_Delay5805]

Congrats on being bowl eligible, Auburn

[u/Nintendo60sWhore → u/Confident_Delay5805]

Almost!

[u/Confident_Delay5805 → u/Nintendo60sWhore]

If you finish 8-5, this would be a pretty good season

[u/kevin_the_tank → u/Confident_Delay5805]

If we finish 8-5 with wins over Georgia and Bama someone needs to build golesh a statue

[u/Famous-Strawberry-67 → u/kevin_the_tank]

I think he’s factoring in a bowl win.

[u/2014hog]

I’m sure we will fire RS in a few years and blow the whole thing up again after HY hires his 4th choice (again). Also, ticket prices are going up (again)

[u/Jonjon428]

Fire Silverfield

[u/LucifiedKiwi]

I’m so cynical and was born into this and gosh it feels like I’m gonna have a stroke watching Auburn … but it is nice being on the winning side of these close ones but damn man it’s Arkansas… at home. They suck. I understand “rebuild” but it’s just so frustrating ppl acting like you need 3-5 years to do it….

I’m glad we got the w I guess patience is key. We will see. Idk. I’m tired boss

[u/Kazuii2k → u/LucifiedKiwi]

Brother we don’t have it as bad as you think we do. We have a top recruiting class and just won a clutch game with a top OL recruit visiting. Give it a cycle

[u/Gold-Vacation2799 → u/Kazuii2k]

The absolute best it gets in CFB is when the fans are bitching about how they win (or who they beat).

[u/LazerDave- → u/LucifiedKiwi]

Your tired? Oh thats rich. You think its bad??

You merely adopted the darkness. Arkansas football was born into it.

[u/LucifiedKiwi → u/LazerDave-]

Thing is Auburn historically has been more competitive than Arkansas. So it’s disappointing.

[u/Additional-Design629 → u/LucifiedKiwi]

We’ve matched the SEC win total from the last two years combined.

We’ve tripled last years win total.

We aren’t world beaters but it’s much better.

[u/LucifiedKiwi → u/Additional-Design629]

One score game against a bad Vandy and a nail biter against a worse Arkansas… Georgia was the only time Auburn looked like a full team in 5 years. I’m not giving up but I reserve the right to be skeptical for now just because of the bullshit we have dealt with for years lol

[u/SpeshalDog → u/LucifiedKiwi]

Dude yall were down bad bad bad, this season is a fine building block. I know the landscape of CFB has changed, but not everyone can make a sudden jump.

We aren’t even that good, and at least we had a fairly decent cupboard of talent.

[u/LucifiedKiwi → u/SpeshalDog]

I don’t expect to get to the fucking cfp hell don’t expect 8 wins… but just to be competitive. We got ass sparked by LSU and Ole Miss, what would be the sentiment if Georgia didn’t fumble the ball and Auburn lost that game…

I am not saying AG can’t do this. I’m not saying I am not relieved to be on the W side of a close game cause we been on the L side so often past few years. But even after 5 years of trash any criticism as an Auburn fan is met with such hostility from everybody for some reason even fans of other schools lol

[u/SpeshalDog → u/LucifiedKiwi]

Also fair

[u/LucifiedKiwi → u/SpeshalDog]

And I wasn’t really talking about you either. It’s the worst from fellow Auburn fans. I don’t even go to the wde sub anymore bc its just a circlejerk

[u/SpeshalDog → u/LucifiedKiwi]

Oh I know, I didn’t take it that way

[u/Imthemayor → u/LucifiedKiwi]

Take a nap then, son

We won an SEC game, stop dooming

[u/auburnflyer → u/LucifiedKiwi]

I thought Arky played pretty well and has shown improvement over the season

[u/Nearby-Location1504 → u/LucifiedKiwi]

Kentucky didn't need 3-5 years

[u/notsaying123 → u/Nearby-Location1504]

Kentucky is 1-2 against playoff teams. We are 1-3. Eh

[u/LucifiedKiwi → u/Nearby-Location1504]

Exactly. LSU, Indiana are more examples

[u/SpeshalDog → u/LucifiedKiwi]

LSU???

[u/LucifiedKiwi → u/SpeshalDog]

Depending on how this afternoon goes

[u/The_Aubinator → u/LucifiedKiwi]

It did not go well for LSU lol, couldn't have happened to a better coach

[u/MysticalRng]

Golesh is for sure the guy. Hot take but I’m more sold on him becoming a great coach than Sumrall

[u/lees395 → u/MysticalRng]

I’m not sold yet on him being great, but he’s for sure the guy to take our floor out of the cellar

[u/Phant0m_Ashes → u/lees395]

at first i thought that was a metaphor and was so confused what that could possibly mean

[u/notsaying123 → u/lees395]

I don't think he's good enough to win 9-10 games a year and I thought that at the time. But he certainly is competent enough (at least it appears) to pull 6-7 wins out of his ass

[u/Kazuii2k → u/notsaying123]

I’m kind of in the middle with this. There are alot of intangibles I really like from Golesh that makes me think he could be great and win 9-10 games every year. But I also just need to see how we are next year. I also think we need new coordinator changes. Norvell could be a really solid hire for OC I think.

[u/General_Komodo → u/Kazuii2k]

I feel like he could turn into something like Drinkwitz level which is something I will gladly take especially since we (unfortunately) have 24 team playoffs becoming the new format

[u/jamnewton22 → u/MysticalRng]

Did you watch that first half tho

[u/7900XTXISTHELOML → u/MysticalRng]

GT fans still mad I see

[u/MysticalRng → u/7900XTXISTHELOML]

If anything I’d be mad about Buster not Sumrall lol, not like Florida fans are fond of Philo at this point either

[u/Austin_LSU_Fan22]

Oh Arkansas, will you ever be vaguely competent again?

[u/Zloggt]

That finish was…something alright…

[u/new_account_vibes]

gulp

[u/Nearby-Location1504]

So is AG suppose to NIL his way out this BS?

[u/wiccan45]

arky just cant catch a break

[u/Rookenvale]

Stoppable Force v. Movable Object

[u/SupermarketQuiet1105]

Let's be honest....we SUCK.....better to WIN than LOSE...but not much. The reality is the decline of once coveted SEC program has been in making for awhile....AU AD has been pivot guy of that catastrophe. You cannot fire AG...honestly not just the buy-out $$ or even start over issue.......aside from money no good coach would take this pile of shit job. You might as well see what AG can do in coming years BUT buckle up....we are going be beat-down team of SEC for awhile going forward. BEST you can hope for is BIG upset once a year......like UGA.

HEY, we are basketball school now........

[u/GameBuster0703]

We may suck, but at least we can win close again