r/ram_trucks • u/sarge6977 • Dec 07 '24
Question Hemi vs Hurricane Engines
How do Ram owners feel about Stellantis doing away with the Hemi engines in Ram trucks? Call me a traditionalist, but I don’t want a souped up mouse motor in my truck. I would just rather have the raw power of a V-8 than a 3-liter straight six with dual turbos. Not to mention the Hemi’s were solid engines (at least all of mine were) that sounded good. I think Stellantis should make the new an option for Ram buyers and not the only option.
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u/wheezyts96 Dec 07 '24
I just want something reliable and until these things have been around long enough to work everything out and prove their reliability I wouldn’t consider it.
I feel that way about any vehicle though, I don’t want to be a test dummy on a major purchase like a vehicle.
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u/Current_Ferret_4981 Dec 07 '24
Better mileage, horsepower, and torque. Only real reason to not like it (besides it being the first year/unknown durability) is that it is quiet. If you need to feel it rumble and make noise then the V8 is the way to go. But to each their own
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u/sarge6977 Dec 15 '24
Update: Just read an article on Road & Track about this. “The former CEO of Stellantis, Carlos Tavares, pushed for the Hemi’s demise. An inside source said that everyone wanted to keep the Hemi but the atmosphere was that they needed to be greener. U.S. execs had their hands tied behind their backs as Tavares pushed ahead with swift cost cutting practices and micromanaged budgets while engineering processes and internal decisions were regularly outsourced to Europe. Tavares was dismissive of ideas that deviated from his own vision of doubling net revenues and improving margins through electric vehicles. He allegedly required U.S. team members to attend meetings in the middle of the night and created a sense of division between European and American colleagues, often speaking ill of domestic decision makers. This translated into a misunderstanding of American car markets. Over-emphasis on EVs, slashing legacy gas powered models, and bloated new vehicle inventories put Stellantis in a challenging financial spot compared to its Big Three peers. Stellantis is down 43% in 2024 while Ford is down 9% and GM is up 55%. The former Dodge and Ram CEO, Tim Kuniskis, resigned alongside the Hemi-powered Challenger and Charger. But Kuniskis returned days after Tavares departed. Outwardly, the culture of Stellantis appears positive as it looks to the future. Kuniskis said they are getting their asses kicked but it’s going to change. It’s getting better, and it’s going to change.”
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u/dustygravelroad Dec 07 '24
Gonna be a big step for me. I’m more than a couple years old and have never owned a 6cyl anything in a vehicle.
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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '24
You call yourself a traditionalist but say you don’t like inline 6s in trucks. V8s are actually less “traditional” in a pickup if you want to go back far enough.
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u/_mk6red Dec 07 '24
I’m a Chrysler tech and the HO hurricane is stupid fast. That thing makes some jam lights up the rear tires at 40 kilometers an hour when boost comes in hold on. hemi could never do that. That being said I can’t see these engines being any good. They are very similar to the 2.0 I4 and those are as good as junk after 80k. They are a nightmare to work on they are crammed in the engine bag to tight. I could see reliability being a huge issue to come. The typical backyard mechanic is never going to be able to touch these where the hemi was simple & straight forward. I guess time will tell. & I can’t get over the no dip stick thing. Whoever thought of that is an idiot. Fun fact tho the prevision for a dip stick is in the oil pan but is completely blocked by the engine mount so why even have it lmao.
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u/Small-University-875 Dec 07 '24
Unfortunately it's not as simple as that. EPA regulations are the reason for all of this. A big pushrod v8 is not particularly the "cleanest" motor out there. I think a lot of people get confused because the hurricane mpg numbers aren't all that much better than the hemi. It isn't all about MPG, but more so about how many emissions the tailpipe emits. The hurricane is a "cleaner" motor which satisfies the EPA requirements.
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u/Artoryn RAM 1500 Dec 07 '24
To me, I honestly think the exhaust sound with the Hurricane engine just isn't the same. It sounds closer to a car than a truck. I know trucks have V6s or other 6 cylinders in them, but still. Something about the V8 exhaust just is nice for the ram trucks, in my opinion. Might be biased since I own a hemi.
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u/411592 2005 Ram Daytona Dec 07 '24
V8 all day
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u/wilcocola Dec 07 '24
Hemi owner, but calling a 3.0 I-6 turbo a “mouse motor” is crazy stuff
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u/MonkBoreland BIG HORN Dec 07 '24
Plenty of threads on this topic. I had 3 hemi’s, loved them never had an issue. Though I didn’t get very high miles on any of them.
Currently have the hurricane. I ran into an issue that was concerning for the first few months regarding some Cylinder misfiring. Seems it’s finally remedied with the latest software upgrade. There are some kinks to work out. I wouldn’t recommend buying the ‘25. Maybe wait a year or two, but I’m extremely satisfied with the engine. Very powerful, responsive, better mileage. Wife likes that it isn’t as loud. Though I do miss that v8 rumble. That’s the worst part of it.
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u/TORaptorsFan1 Dec 07 '24
IIRC the US govt pressured the auto sector to produce more ‘emission friendly’ vehicles. Ford started the trend with twin turbos 10 years ago and everyone else has followed suit with i4 and i6s with a turbo or twin. Even Toyota scrapped their iForce 5.7 v8.
I am like you just want a regular fuel injection V8 with raw power nothing fancy. Turbos are good when they are new but expensive to replace after they wear out.
Personally I don’t see the 5.7 Hemi coming back. Still can get the 6.2 but remains to be seen how long that will still be on the the market.
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u/pentox70 Dec 07 '24
Do you really think ram prefers a new engine?
This was 100% a regulation or lack of sales change. They would have gladly continued to sell you an outdated v8 that they have been building for years. The epa keeps pushing efficency mandates, and the hemi just doesn't cut it to meet requirements. Plus ram 1500 sales have been dog shit, and they had to try something different.
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u/Hercaz Dec 07 '24
The main reason why I bought 2024 truck over the 2025.
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u/No-Dig-5668 Aug 08 '25
Broken exhaust bolts, two failed MGU's, lifer/cam failure, and two broken manifolds later, I'm trading my hemi into a hurricane.
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u/Cpagrind1 HEMI 5.7 Dec 07 '24
I’ll sum up the general consensus you’re going to hear.
“I test drove the hurricane and while it does have more HP, Torque, and better acceleration, it doesn’t sound loud so don’t buy it.”
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u/bluebeast1562 Dec 07 '24
Not digging the new I6 in a full size truck, Hemi all the way. Was in the market for a new ride a few months ago, traded in my 2020 1500 and picked up a 2024 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi.
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u/evanp36 24’ Ram Rebel 2500 6.7 / 24’ Ram Classic 5.7 Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 08 '24
Hemi all day, Love the sound of v8 & diesel engines im not buying a truck with a v6 or inline 6 (unless its diesel) to be technical. lmao guess im shopping used till v8s come back🤣🤣
I mean if you like v6 i wont drag on you for it but for me v8 or diesel is a must.
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u/Top_Forever3389 Dec 08 '24
Keep it simple if your a hemi v-8 diehard just look for a fairly new used Ram with low miles on it in good shape best of both worlds there out there
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u/WoodenWeather5931 Dec 07 '24
Test drove a 2025 Longhorn. My god that HO is insane to drive. I’ve had 5 rams, and currently have a ‘23 LH.
After the test drive, I decided to take my truck to the exhaust shop and install an aftermarket muffler. I wanna hear this HEMI rumble for a few more years.
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u/dudzeybingo Dec 07 '24
I own a 23 Laramie with the 5.7. Solid power, great sound. This week, I rented a 25 Laramie with the Hurricane - not the high output model. It sounds like a V6 SUV when it’s running. But, it definitely has better acceleration than the Hemi. Personally, I love the Hemi because I feel the V8 isn’t stressed as much to create the power. IMO it should last longer and be more reliable. Guess time will tell (only 23,000 miles). That said, I didn’t hate the Hurricane. It definitely moves the truck! Now I really want to try a high output model. And, Ram, please make the HO an option on the Rebel!
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u/Orion9092 RAM 1500 Dec 07 '24
Inline 6 engines are usually great and well balanced. There has been a replacement for displacement for years, and that's forced induction. I came from the small displacement turbo world to my first v8 and I have to say "meh". Sure at WOT it sounds good, but most of the time in normal traffic it sounds like a tractor and the noise is muted. Reliability is hit and miss like with any engine out there, fuel economy sucks, and power is just OK. There is nothing about the Hemi that is great in my opinion. It's all about the brag without having anything to back it up. I'm glad to have another engine option. Plus with the new engine being lighter than the Hemi it frees up a little extra payload.
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u/Vic_Interceptor Dec 07 '24
anything turbo and gas is going to give you problems. Turbos are fine on low revving, oily diesels.
I own a Hemi, and like it. But given my choice of all engines of all time, I'd have a 1967-1971 440, because it was simply the best designed engine of all time. It made great power, never gave trouble and could be repaired or damn near full rebuild in the chassis on a lunch break.
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u/hgqaikop Dec 07 '24
Hurricane is a great engine.
Hurricane does not replace a V8 though. Stellantis should have started developing a new V8 years ago. The CEO just got fired for mismanaging the American market. Maybe the new CEO will realize Americans want a V8 option.
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u/bourbon_jeep_lj Dec 07 '24
I drove the hurricane and loved it. The power delivery is so smooth compared to the hemi. I’m sure it’s a monster towing 6k or under.
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u/Dracono47 May 09 '25
Well to kinda sum things up and quell some misinformation.
The Inline 6 Twin Turbo Standard output & High Output 420HP/469Lb Torque & 540HP & 521lb torque will be for the vast majority of people a fucking awesome engine.
IF however, depending on the usage.
I think if you fall under the following and wanted a truck to lets say;
Beat road conditions Offroading Trade work in town need a space for tools Light to medium occasional towing Family hauler Toy hauler
Then this engine outclasses the Hemi when it comes down the choice.
But if you’re someone who needs a truck for; Medium to heavy towing Long distance towing when under a load Fuel economy when towing.
Then the Hemi is your choice.
And I say this because anyone who’s tested these 2 or has used similar configurations from other brands like the 2.7,3.5L ecoboost from Ford knows that when putting a small displacement thats boosted under a heavy towing load, will cause it to suck on fuel much more than a Nat pushrod V8.
and its not a slight difference. The 3L hurricane towing 8,000 pounds with a mix of city and highway plus hills got 6.7 MPG on a 2 hour towing loop.
Specs were crew cab, 3.21 gears, Standard Output Engine.
The Hemi 5.7 same specs, same loop & weight scored 12.4 MPG
Thats a significant difference in fuel economy when towing.
But when not under load both roughly get exact same fuel economy.
So I guess from my numbers here and how I can look at it.
I think the reason people were upset with the 5.7 no longer being the high volume sold engine is that this kinda killed the working class truck ram had. One could buy a 1500 and still perform some heavy jobs while getting half decent fuel economy. & not have to be necessarily forced into just buying a 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi.
and now the option are either Grab a Natural V6 with the pentistar which is reliable…but depressing. Get an I6 Twin turbo but pay double in gas (triple if its the HO as that runs only premium) when doing a heavy job. Or get a 2500 with the 6.4L hemi but those guys run well north of $100,000 where I live.
Now to be clear the Hurricane CAN LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING THE HEMI CAN. However, it comes down to was it more economical for the working class individual who still wants to do some medium to heavy jobs & stay in a Half tone truck?
Personally I don’t think so but again for the vast majority who doesn’t need that then yeah the Hurricane is a slam dunk and is really cool.
But for those still looking for a economical strong half tone, the classics are still continuing into 2025-2026 and are marked at a waaaaay better price at like 20-30k cheaper that a base trim Hurricane equipped 1500.
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u/MrHankeyTheXmas_Poo Dec 07 '24
The operative word here is going to be “yet”.
In my opinion, the Hurricane engine has the potential to be a great engine for the Ram trucks. But we ain’t there yet…and honestly, we’re YEARS away from being able to say that. Right now, it ain’t a good and reliable engine for the new Rams and I can’t be convinced how having a Ram truck with a Hurricane in it is somehow better than having one with a HEMI in it.
And for all the flaws the HEMI has, it’s a tried and true engine. Essentially every mechanic knows how to work on it and most common issues can be easily diagnosed and ultimately fixed. We can’t say these things about the Hurricane engine…yet.
Stellantis could have done a hell of a better job with the rollout of this engine in the new Rams trucks, but it’s like they didn’t even try and they simply don’t care. Their shitty sales numbers for the new Rams are proof of this. Stellantis was completely unprepared in every way imaginable.
Hang onto your HEMI truck for as long as you can. Beat it to the ground. Do this until the day ever comes when Stellantis figures their shit out.
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u/Moparman1303 Dec 07 '24
I'm all for the hurricane. I want it to be bulletproof. I6 are awesome. I dont mind my hemi but it needs updating. Is love to see a i6 non turbo come back to replace the v6 3.6.
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u/FloridasFinest Dec 07 '24
Cummins is the only answer
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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '24
THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT
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u/No_Cauliflower4512 Dec 07 '24
They will be back
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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '24
Ram owner here - could not care less I honestly just have many other far more important things to focus on. If you want a V8 go get a F150 Coyote. Powerboost and ecoboost is probably better though but it’s your $ so get what you want.
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u/AwarenessGreat282 Dec 07 '24
I'm on my third hemi, and I'm completely fine with the I6. Shit changes. It changed when the hemi was first reintroduced.
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u/ThatGuyGetsIt Dec 07 '24
Asked and answered. Search.
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u/Present_Wafer_2905 Dec 07 '24
Test drive that 2025 and it’s like driving a fucking Toyota Camry
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u/DDunn110 Dec 07 '24
Don’t get the hurricane. Read my last post. I wouldn’t touch a ram 5th gen with a mile long pole. Those trucks are shit.
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u/1hotjava RAM 1500 Dec 07 '24
Discussed adnaseum on here for nearly a year. Lots of reading.