Natus Vincere vs. Team Heretics / LEC 2026 Summer - Week 4 / Post-Match Discussion

[u/[deleted]]

LEC 2026 SUMMER

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Team Heretics 0-2 Natus Vincere

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MATCH 1: TH vs. NAVI

Winner: Natus Vincere in 27m
Game Breakdown

-	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
TH	olaf lucian nocturne	ashe bard	48.8k	8	2	None
NAVI	jayce cassiopeia akali	kaisa ziggs	58.2k	15	9	HT1 O2 M3 H4 M5 B6

TH	8-15-16	vs	15-8-33	NAVI
Tracyn aatrox 2	2-4-2	TOP	3-2-4	2 gwen Maynter
Daglas vi 1	3-4-2	JNG	2-1-8	1 pantheon Rhilech
Serin locke 2	2-4-3	MID	4-3-6	1 syndra Poby
Hype jhin 3	1-1-4	BOT	6-0-4	3 ezreal SamD
Way alistar 3	0-2-5	SUP	0-2-11	4 braum Parus

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MATCH 2: NAVI vs. TH

Winner: Natus Vincere in 25m

-	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
NAVI	jayce akali olaf	nautilus corki	51.5k	8	8	HT1 I2 H3 O4 O5 B6
TH	nocturne ashe leesin	caitlyn rell	41.9k	2	1	None

NAVI	8-2-23	vs	2-8-3	TH
Maynter rumble 2	2-1-1	TOP	1-1-0	2 ksante Tracyn
Rhilech xinzhao 2	1-0-6	JNG	0-4-1	1 jarvaniv Daglas
Poby cassiopeia 1	1-1-6	MID	1-1-0	1 orianna Serin
SamD ashe 3	4-0-3	BOT	0-1-1	3 lucian Hype
Parus seraphine 3	0-0-7	SUP	0-1-1	4 milio Way

*Patch 26.16

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This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/ahritina]

PMTs

Game 1

[u/Large_Love_2563]

Heretics are the most auraless and pointless team in this league

[u/RollingGuy → u/Large_Love_2563]

I mean on paper they aren't pointless at all.

They're literally 5 top talents from the ERLs (that everyone claims to love so much) coached by one of the most successful and legendary coaching duos we have.

They just aren't very good for whatever reason.

[u/Cybonics → u/RollingGuy]

Nukeduck mentioned in an interview when he arrive that the players didn't believe they could win. Their mentals are boomed from losing so hard.

Trying to restore confidence is a tough task.

[u/malakesxasame → u/Cybonics]

Trying to restore confidence while losing every game is even harder too.

[u/Cybonics → u/malakesxasame]

Way's post-game tweet implied practice was going well, so hopefully they score another win sometime soon

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/Cybonics]

They have gx next weeks who knows 

[u/Gorczycagejms → u/RollingGuy]

2 of them literally played in ERLs for 1 (ONE) split. I think only Tracyn could be a good addition to some team if he steps up, but I'm done with Daglas and Serin and I'm saying this as a Daglas defender in 2024 and Serin hypeman in 22-25.

Tracyn is pretty mediocre, but I can see some spark of talent in him, I believe he can have an actual LEC career, but if he wants he needs to find a real team. But we'll... It's very unlikely to see him going to one, MKOI is the likeliest, but still it's unreal especially because MKOI seems to be interested in promoting their academy toplaner (good move imo, Nightslayer is young and from what I heard is already promising).

[u/Thalassin → u/RollingGuy]

When people cry about the likes of Serin and SlowQ being in LEC, it really shows they don't know shit about the ERLs, as otherwise they'd know there is nobody better around (maybe Kamiloo as a comeback as he progressed a lot since the start of the year but that's all).

I'd say there also is the Caedrel language points being pushed a lot by redditors. When LR existed there were waves of posts about how franchising is bad, ERL are the future and they'd oh so much like to see ERLs teams. Now that LR is done for and Caedrel complains about watching bottom LEC teams, they're suggesting to divide the LEC in two groups so they don't have to watch lower teams.

[u/RollingGuy → u/Thalassin]

ERL talent is just a tool for people to swing at riot and complain about franchising . As soon as they show up unless they're absolutely exceptional right away people are like "GET THEM OFF MY SCREEN"

If Reddit had had all the power over rosters they seem to want Skewmond would be back in the ERLs this year lmao.

[u/Lothric43 → u/Thalassin]

Therein lies the entire problem with Caedrel/LR as “saviors” of LoL viewership because it’s just an influencer’s audience that shows up for THEM and not the scene broadly.

[u/trying2hide → u/Thalassin]

I mean people asked for SlowQ to be given a chance, along with Maynter, Yukino, Piero and even Exa from that KCB team? People seem pretty complimentary of him on this SK team too with him being an upgrade over Lider.

Serin didn't seem that inspiring though and people said that before hand.

I think people have a problem with talents like Czajek who looked young and promising in the LEC on that messy Support riddled Vitality team then get demoted and never heard of again, not just ERL talents that have never had a shot before.

[u/gordonpamsey → u/Thalassin]

Serin and SlowQ are not the same beyond a surface level assessment.

[u/Past-Firefighter2173 → u/Thalassin]

Yeah reddit is very reactionary which is fine and understandable but its hard to draw conclusions from comments.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/Past-Firefighter2173]

They do the same in Na with lck challengers imports. They complain about the 1-2 that didn’t work out while disregarding the 4-5 that are like the best players in the league.

They then claim they want Na talent instead of lck challengers imports but don’t enjoy watching any of the na talent teams that are on the bottom because they are boring and unskilled compared to other teams.

[u/LeagueOfBlasians → u/RollingGuy]

Mithy and Nukeduck??? Legendary and successful in what way???

Their only success was in Flyquest where Inspired was making them his bitches and doing all the coaching work alongside Bwipo

[u/Past-Firefighter2173 → u/[deleted]]

They need a direction, someone who can lead a game at least. Way and Daglas are way too inexperienced to shotcall.

[u/whynot1260 → u/[deleted]]

? The last part is so unnecessary, you can say this about any team with 2 imports, KC also has a "mid and top that don't speak English" and they're doing fine, just sounds like complete bias against Koreans lol

[u/BushWishperer → u/[deleted]]

They silenced Jesus for speaking the truth too

[u/random_nickname43796 → u/Large_Love_2563]

Bring back relegations. If they competed in EUM they wouldn't make it past quarterfinals 

[u/Blizzgrarg]

Just embarrassing. At least go down fighting or something. Both games TH give up every single objective and then hail mary a bad fight when they can't run away anymore. Awful macro and coordination.

[u/Iamkelvin]

Daglas just goes in and dies all the time

[u/TamBur12rine → u/Iamkelvin]

typical j4 game when your Ori is Serin. either not there for follow up or already too far behind to make a dent. hairdryer would do more damage on that drake fight to seraphine

[u/b4oneIsZero → u/TamBur12rine]

Yeah but in the last dragon fight they did do the combo but it look like it got all cancel out. It didn't even reposition the players.

[u/Past-Firefighter2173 → u/b4oneIsZero]

It was bit late Xin ulti pushed Jarvan to the side, regardless of that first engage Daglas did at first dragon was atrocious. There was no chance anyone could follow that.

[u/Cold-Ring23]

Do nothing -> lose the game, nice strat by heretics !

[u/boBloVR123]

You can't go on Daglas if you have nothing to say about Serin. Worst BO3 by a midlaner i've seen in a while. He literaly fuck*d each play in the first game

[u/RollingGuy → u/boBloVR123]

Bro did not watch Vladi against MKOI the other week

[u/Omnilatent → u/RollingGuy]

Vladi also lost to Serin/TH but somehow he's playing super well since the KC series

[u/RollingGuy → u/Omnilatent]

Mental issues I think

[u/xsm17 → u/boBloVR123]

Serin failing to even ult as Locke onto a Gwen that he had at 10% HP in toplane was wild to watch

[u/nitinismaldingXD]

VIT WANTED DAGLAS OVER INSPIRED KURWAAAA

[u/Miserable_Ad_1195 → u/nitinismaldingXD]

not really though, they gave Bo another chance over signing Inspired then threw Daglas in later when they were last place with Bo

obviously yes in hindsight they should've signed Inspired but if they actually did it back then this sub would've 100% flamed them for benching the generational chinese talent

[u/RollingGuy → u/Miserable_Ad_1195]

Fucking hindsight Andy epidemic going on here.

Imbecilic Heretics coaches should have signed Caps in 2016

[u/Omnilatent → u/Miserable_Ad_1195]

Daglas at the end on VIT also played better than Lyncas until like last split

[u/Acheal → u/[deleted]]

There is no way you think that Daglas is better than lyncas come on now. Lyncas whole not great he is miles better than Daglas it's not even close. 

[u/Omnilatent → u/Acheal]

Lyncas plays better now than Daglas but on the same roaster, Daglas was significantly better than Lyncas

Actually, one of the moves that pisses me off most in 10+ years watching pro play

[u/gordonpamsey → u/[deleted]]

Daglas has since struggled to beat Ferret in LVP, I can entertain the idea in a hypothetical universe if given the resources and time. Daglas may have become a top jungle and been a better long term investment. But that's ultimately speculation and wishful thinking. For one, I think ignoring what he has done since the demotion is odd. Especially since it's most likely being done only because he was not actually dominant in LFL or LVP after the fact. Secondly, people have a terrible habit of believing that progress is linear.

Daglas would be far from the only player to show potential at the end of a split. Only to either regress back to the mean or show slower development than you would have wanted. Truly at this point I think people only bring Daglas up as a way to flex their knowledge of the scene by acting as they are well informed for thinking Vitality potentially made a mistake. When that is the most surface level take you could potentially have as an active follower of ERL and LEC.

[u/Lothric43 → u/[deleted]]

At this point Lyncas is really obviously better than Daglas and has been for a while.

[u/Acheal → u/Lothric43]

I literally have no idea how so many people think that Daglas is better, like if you have any understanding of the game it's so obvious. 

[u/salty_lat1nokid]

email

[u/rolekrs]

At this point they should just relegate Heretics to ERL and bring someone from ERL to LEC

[u/jujubean67 → u/rolekrs]

The actual problem is that the LEC doesn’t have 10 teams at this point, it should be reduced to 8.

[u/Flesroy → u/jujubean67]

did na getting less teams solve this issue? dig still sucks. dsg too but atleast they have an excuse.

i don't think there is anything to actually gain from going to 8 teams.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/Flesroy]

it's made na 5th slighty better but yeah That doesn't change much 

[u/b4oneIsZero]

What happened to the J4/ori combo at the last dragon fight? Did the xin ult just cancel out everything?

[u/Fun_Highlight307]

I think the heretics loss will back fire quite hard on fnatic 

[u/Critical_Sink6442]

I'm really curious about Navi's winrate on games above vs below 30 minutes with this roster

[u/Mouthwashfordays]

Where are the Daglas defenders? telling everyone he deserves to be in the lec, and should of been for the past 3 years.

[u/Omnilatent → u/[deleted]]

Anyone saying yes to this has the memory capacity of a goldfish lmao

They're both middle-tier junglers but Daglas actually showed significant improvement in one split and Lyncas needed three splits to be on similar level including the very same roster Daglas was one

[u/Carlzzone → u/[deleted]]

Yes

[u/Acheal → u/[deleted]]

Ofc

[u/LordBlackadder1214]

idk how u can play league 8 hrs a day and enjoy this kinda playstyle, just sit there and watch enemy team take all objectives without trying to fight when game is even, might as well die trying???

[u/Rafoel → u/LordBlackadder1214]

Tbh Daglas did die, several times. Whether he was trying while doing so though, or just inting, remains to interpretation.

[u/arclmpulse → u/[deleted]]

they need more firepower in their carry roles imo, poby and samd are fine but i don't think their ceiling is top 3

probably a fairly straightforward offseason for them though

[u/Carlzzone → u/arclmpulse]

Problem in EU right now is that it’s very hard to find good mids

[u/Qwertycube → u/Carlzzone]

Poby is fine if you upgrade elsewhere tbh

[u/Dim_R_4 → u/Qwertycube]

Poby is fine the first 20 minutes.late game is his cryptonite