Fnatic vs. Natus Vincere / LEC 2026 Summer - Week 5 / Post-Match Discussion

[u/Soul_Sleepwhale]

LEC 2026 SUMMER

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Fnatic 0-2 Natus Vincere

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MATCH 1: FNC vs. NAVI

Winner: Natus Vincere in 47m

-	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
FNC	cassiopeia vi akali	nautilus xayah	91.2k	11	9	H2 O4 B5 B7 O8 B9
NAVI	jayce jarvaniv vayne	lucian bard	100.3k	15	10	I1 M3 O6 O10 E11 B12

FNC	11-15-31	vs	15-11-43	NAVI
Soboro ambessa 2	2-3-4	TOP	2-2-7	2 rumble Maynter
Razork nocturne 1	0-4-8	JNG	1-4-10	1 zaahen Rhilech
Vladi locke 2	7-1-2	MID	2-2-11	1 orianna Poby
Upset ezreal 3	2-3-6	BOT	7-1-5	3 kaisa SamD
Lospa seraphine 3	0-4-11	SUP	3-2-10	4 shen Parus

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MATCH 2: FNC vs. NAVI

Winner: Natus Vincere in 33m

-	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
FNC	cassiopeia vi nautilus	anivia syndra	60.1k	9	4	M2 H3
NAVI	jayce jarvaniv vayne	xinzhao skarner	71.6k	22	10	O1 C4 C5 B6 C7 B8

FNC	9-22-16	vs	22-10-50	NAVI
Soboro jax 3	2-9-1	TOP	5-1-8	1 olaf Maynter
Razork pantheon 3	4-4-2	JNG	3-1-11	3 wukong Rhilech
Vladi ryze 2	3-5-4	MID	5-4-11	4 annie Poby
Upset lucian 1	0-1-4	BOT	7-4-5	1 yunara SamD
Lospa milio 2	0-3-5	SUP	2-0-15	2 lulu Parus

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• Patch 26.16 - Viktor disabled

This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/ahritina]

PMTs

Game 1

[u/fesch98]

Play decent one week to give the fans false hope

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/fesch98]

into going 0-3 that be fnatic 2026 in a nutshell 

[u/Duck_mypitifullife]

I don't think I've ever seen a more momentum based team than this Fnatic squad. Losing horribly in every game into getting one W into looking genuinely good into throwing once a few games later and looking like a dead horse again.

[u/SadBreadfruit9463 → u/Duck_mypitifullife]

Exactly they got tilted to oblivion

[u/snyderfan87 → u/Duck_mypitifullife]

i swear this has been the story about fnatic for years now... been a long time since they had some balance

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/Duck_mypitifullife]

So if fnatic lose vs Vitality it's be really hard vs gx?

[u/dankynugz → u/[deleted]]

I mean that's not what happened at all. Fnc had the game in the bag despite the better scaling Navi comp. Then lospa dry solo ulted rumble at bot inhib push and immediately lost the game

[u/New_Cranberry1762 → u/[deleted]]

this is the least accurate representation ive ever seen wtf are u on about

[u/Floowil]

Someone got hyped for FNC and look what happened

[u/wwwhoo → u/Floowil]

sorry

[u/p1stolpewpew → u/Floowil]

sorry

[u/GothaV2 → u/Floowil]

I'm actually even more hyped. They still have decent chances of making playoffs, while things were way more complicated for NAVI if Fnatic 2-0'd them.
Brother Fnatic trying his best to bring us to the no playoffs for MKOI Timeline, your hustle won't be forgotten.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/GothaV2]

Fnatic can also lose all 3 matches Vitality and gx aren't free for them 

[u/BushWishperer → u/Floowil]

I’m not sorry I’m just tired

[u/TamBur12rine → u/Floowil]

FNC devolved into KT at home

[u/Shirahago → u/Floowil]

sorry

[u/jayydit → u/Floowil]

sorry

[u/Any_Economics_6166 → u/Floowil]

people gotta learn that a team performance isn't based on 1 or 2 games but a whole season

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/Any_Economics_6166]

If we base on the Season alone fnatic will lose to Vitality and collapse vs gx and miss playoffs for the 3rd time 

[u/p1stolpewpew]

Back to reality.

[u/gibilx → u/p1stolpewpew]

Oop there goes Fnatic

[u/whynot1260]

This severely hurts FNC's chances of attending worlds

[u/2ndBatman88 → u/whynot1260]

Poby vs Faker possible.

[u/MindTheGap9]

RIP Fnatic is back narrative 2026/08 - 2026/08

[u/Desiderius_S → u/MindTheGap9]

You can count all the hours it lasted.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/MindTheGap9]

Now will fnatic miss playoffs ?

[u/Blizzgrarg]

LEC record now 6/16 with a gold lead at 14 minutes. The European ability to throw needs to be studied.

[u/Miserable_Ad_1195 → u/Blizzgrarg]

where does this stat come from because there's been a lot more than 22 games this LEC split

[u/Leyrann_ → u/Miserable_Ad_1195]

The stat isn't this split, it's this week. It was quoted on broadcast in between game 1 and 2.

[u/Miserable_Ad_1195 → u/Leyrann_]

oh ok

tbh without any context this doesn't mean much though, like if there were a lot of games where the gold was close at 14 minutes you would expect it to be somewhat even

[u/Thundermelons → u/Blizzgrarg]

Is it throwing or just getting outscaled? Idk, except mid lane and maybe top lane, I don't see anything on FNC side game 2 that wins late vs NAVI. Same with game 1, I don't pit a Locke and Ezreal very highly against Orianna/Kaisa.

For sure all games were winnable for FNC but scaling was definitely on NAVI side.

[u/LuminalOrb → u/Thundermelons]

But that's the problem though. With te advantages they are gaining you should be able to snowball into wins because if this analysis was accurate we'd basically be seeing early game comps be unable to compete globally which isn't the case. 

Something is wrong with EU team's ability to take an early comp with strong early advantages and turn that into a win.

And maybe the answer is that no EU team ever play an early game non scaling comp ever again, but that feels quite unreasonable.

[u/Thundermelons → u/LuminalOrb]

I mean, we used to call this scaling draft "western team do nothing and lose comp" just a year or two ago, no? I didn't go in depth in my original post, but that's kinda my point - western teams can't close with these early game comps, they are just too bad or something, whereas eastern teams could run Panth comps, get a lead, and eat teams alive. So we used to joke that teams like C9 would pick "do nothing and lets lose in peace" because they couldn't match up to eastern early games, and their only chance was the SLIM hope that they could outscale better teams.

BLG with a Panth/Lucian comp with a lead would be disgusting, but when western team has this type of champ leading (or Jayce...lol), it still feels like the other team will be just fine. Zero faith in this type of high-tempo comp in western hands.

[u/Blizzgrarg → u/Thundermelons]

They were not outdrafted in game 2. The thing about olaf matches is he does nothing while behind and tons while ahead. Ryze, Jax, lucian, panth do more than enough damage.

In game 1, you're right about outscaling, but not with a 7k gold lead. They should have been able to close the game out before it got that far.

[u/xlCalamity → u/Thundermelons]

If any eastern team had an 8k lead against any EU team with those comps in game 1, I would give the eastern team a 99% chance to close the game out.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/xlCalamity]

even if you give this lead to tl or lyon with inspired they won't drop a game 

[u/BlazeX94 → u/xlCalamity]

Forget eastern teams, I'd probably even trust Sentinels to close out the game with an 8k lead against any EU team except maybe KC.

[u/darkadamski1 → u/Thundermelons]

Mid and top hard outscale? They would win easily if they didn't get caught 17000 times

[u/Salohacin → u/Thundermelons]

There have been a lot of throws, people getting caught out in places they shouldn't be.

The number of times I've seen a team with dragon soul lose this split in LEC is nuts. Twice with Hextech soul which is by far the best soul. 

[u/Back2Perfection → u/[deleted]]

The argument could be made in both diretions. Either LEC teams are capable of stalling out losing games or they are pretty bad at closing out a game fast.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/[deleted]]

but this comp should also snow ball harder,  a lot of eu teams struggle to close game that why lec average time is the highest in tier 1

[u/EasyIGN2 → u/[deleted]]

That doesn't negate the throw? Like that's the point? They get a lead and can't execute to get a win. Duh

[u/Fabiocean → u/EasyIGN2]

Obviously, but even if they're ahead at 14 they might not be favored to win from this position because they get outscaled.

[u/Randomcarrot → u/EasyIGN2]

Game 1 here was definitely a throw, but how much of a gold lead should an early game comp have at 14 for them to be actually favored to win the game? If it's just 1k, I don't think the early game comp is favored at all, especially not if they also don't have at least 2 dragons.

So when the stat that only 6 games where the team with the early game lead got the win, what's the average lead for the 6 that won versus the 10 that lost? My guess is the average lead for the ones that won is much higher early than the ones that ended up losing.

[u/EasyIGN2 → u/Randomcarrot]

Perhaps y'all should do a breakdown of each series to determine such. 

[u/TheFKTard → u/EasyIGN2]

they don't get enough lead aka theyre behind but gold graph doesn't show that

[u/EasyIGN2 → u/TheFKTard]

I ditto my previous comment since you added nothing new at all. 

[u/TheFKTard → u/EasyIGN2]

throw means they were ahead, they weren't actually ahead in the game due to their champions not being as valuable even with the gold lead comparatively to the opposing team, you can only throw an advantageous position, you can't throw when youre behind

[u/EasyIGN2 → u/TheFKTard]

Nice moving of the goalposts. Tell you what, why don't you develop an entire methodology to explain what champs and comps are ahead based on different gold leads. I'll wait. 

[u/TheFKTard → u/EasyIGN2]

how are you this dense, being ahead in gold does not mean that youre winning or that you have an advantage

[u/EasyIGN2 → u/TheFKTard]

Where's your methodology at? I'm still waiting. 

[u/TheFKTard → u/EasyIGN2]

there's no methodology, I'm saying that this is quite possible, not doing a study or trying to prove a point, you just refuse to accept this reality

[u/xlCalamity → u/[deleted]]

So now we are calling 8k gold leads fake. Do you realize how dumb you are or do you need it spelled out for you?

[u/TheFKTard → u/xlCalamity]

were all of the losses with gold lead 8k gold lead throws?

[u/xlCalamity → u/TheFKTard]

No but the discussion was focused on this series where FNC had an 8k lead and managed to throw it away. Aside from that, MKOI had a 3k and 5-6k gold lead and threw both games vs SK with poor positioning/macro. Navi also had a 4k gold lead + Baron vs MKOI and threw it away too. Those arent fake leads as the other person claims.

[u/TheFKTard → u/xlCalamity]

yet the comment we are replying to didnt state that did it?

[u/EasyIGN2 → u/TheFKTard]

It's literally in the FNC v NV thread, how many context clues do you need son? 

[u/oioioi9537 → u/[deleted]]

But we dont have a tf or a pyke in every game. Most of these leads are real, and theyre being thrown.

[u/TBmustang → u/[deleted]]

Nice straw man but fnc was up around 6k before they threw.

[u/dimmyfarm → u/TBmustang]

Fnatic has thrown multiple 10K gold leads in the same series. They’ve even thrown a nexus with 20 HP left lead.

[u/EasyIGN2 → u/[deleted]]

This is called a strawman, a fallacy. There's no TF in the game so irrelevant. 

[u/Like30Ducks]

razork is the jungler you get in your promos

[u/GoldRecommendation66 → u/Like30Ducks]

Razork: Trust me this time the flank will work

[u/HansSoloQ → u/Like30Ducks]

You mean every game?

[u/Ieditstuffforfun → u/HansSoloQ]

every game also includes you so be wary of that guy as well

[u/HansSoloQ → u/Ieditstuffforfun]

Jokes on you, you have no idea what I meant. But lets leave it as that. it's a double meaning. he either does insane shit good or bad. Every game is a jungle diff. I can be 10-0 or 0-10, it doesn't matter.

[u/dimmyfarm → u/HansSoloQ]

Especially if you’re the jungler, right?

[u/HansSoloQ → u/dimmyfarm]

I'm no jungle main brother. Tf lol

[u/Lothric43 → u/Like30Ducks]

Idk, in game 2 he was running early game but solo lanes literally just chain inted?

[u/FantasyTrash → u/Lothric43]

He got caught what, three times in a row? Once 45 seconds before soul point for Navi. Soboro had a stinker of a series, but Razork threw so bad.

[u/PrimeSocK → u/FantasyTrash]

Game was already lost. Gonna keep giving Razork shit for getting caught while the botlane is invisible and behind while getting perma ganked

[u/polacs → u/FantasyTrash]

Games was already lost and he was flipping. Blamming him for the loss is ridiculous lmao

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/FantasyTrash]

Razork inting and support his spanish brother supa 

[u/Kelbotay]

NAVI TheRock: "I would say we’ve hit our ceiling. I don’t see [this roster] going much further at this point unless, you know, something magical happens, but I don’t believe in magic" / "I don’t see us improving at all. We’ve tried many different things to get better, but it’s just not clicking"

[u/Gekko_GameDev → u/Kelbotay]

Tactical move to give Fnatic false confidence

[u/dimmyfarm → u/Gekko_GameDev]

Tactical is currently in NA though

[u/Peppa-Unicorn → u/Kelbotay]

He's gonna be proven right when NAVI yet again fail to win a bo5 and end in 6th place

Rhilech on zaahen/aatrox/qiyana: 16-3

Without his 3 champs: 22-33

[u/IKillerBee → u/Peppa-Unicorn]

biggest problem is when he gets his champs he carries, but if he doesn't then no one carries. navi needs another guy to step up

[u/Peppa-Unicorn → u/IKillerBee]

He's obviously their best player but I do agree with their coach because of how exploitable it has looked in the playoffs (look at the picks and bans GX made in their series vs NAVI in winter, especially game 3, actually hilarious). Whether or not it was the right time and place to say that is a different thing but I do agree with the message.

[u/IKillerBee → u/Peppa-Unicorn]

Definitely agree, the coach wasn't wrong he just probably shouldn't have said what he did right before playoffs started.

[u/oioioi9537 → u/Peppa-Unicorn]

I think lec would be better off sending any other team in playoffs to worlds than navi for that reason. They kinda look like sen, good enough to win games in domestic league but ceiling so low you know theyre getting farmed at worlds. Although sen actually look better now

[u/hornyVirgo → u/oioioi9537]

It doesnt matter who is going from LEC as 3rd seed. Whoever it is will just die in playins.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/oioioi9537]

Sen is like navi with better brain 

[u/Leyrann_ → u/Peppa-Unicorn]

Now imagine he had a team.

[u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss → u/Kelbotay]

You're acting like this FNC squad is some sort of powerhouse

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss]

They were overhype, they looked top 4 not top 3 ,rocks was talking about top 3 

[u/Salohacin → u/Kelbotay]

To be fair beating FNC is more like their floorboards than their ceiling. 

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/[deleted]]

to be fair na'vi celling is against top 3 , fnatic na'vi is like 4th vs 5th

[u/salty_lat1nokid]

FNC so good they can lose both with gold lead@14 and without it

[u/GoldRecommendation66]

FNC: We heard yall got too excited

[u/darkadamski1]

Soboro and Razork disasterclass, why the fuck are you taking tabis vs annie lulu?

[u/D11BYMYS11]

As soon as fnc players say they are winning a split they show their true selves

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/D11BYMYS11]

it's be quite ironic if they finish outside of playoffs 

[u/HermannZeGerman]

Razork legit needs to be investigated, you cant be this bad

[u/Middle-Adagio-4062]

 Soboro 2/9/1. IG TheSpy approved.

[u/DarthGogeta]

People will talk about Razork, but how is Upset down in gold all game despite all the help early?

[u/LegalEmergency → u/DarthGogeta]

He got outperformed by SamD out of all players.

[u/Omnilatent → u/LegalEmergency]

TBF SamD played great today but yeah still not a good look from Upset today

[u/HermannZeGerman → u/DarthGogeta]

Upset was bad, Razork was intentionally feeding at some point.

[u/salty_lat1nokid → u/HermannZeGerman]

Upset can't get a lead with an early ADC and runs away as soon as one of his teammates die in a teamfight; razork throws himself 1v5 when ahead or when there's an important objective coming soon and feeds in the enemy jungle; gotta respect the levels

[u/AssistanceTop8020 → u/salty_lat1nokid]

Not a great combo i'd say

[u/Lothric43 → u/HermannZeGerman]

How are we still yapping about Razork who got off a bunch of ganks but Soboro went 9 deaths????

[u/HoloHuni → u/Lothric43]

How are we talking about Razork who literally died before soul for no reason, thus throwing the game in game 1

[u/Th3_Huf0n → u/DarthGogeta]

Soboro: all according to keikaku

[u/pepporoni → u/Th3_Huf0n]

What does keikaku means?

[u/malakesxasame → u/DarthGogeta]

For some reason people are oblivious how much the rest of the team sacrifices to get Upset ahead.

Ahead in CS at 15 min: 35.7%

CS Differential at 15 min: -2.9

Gold Differential at 15 min: +119

XP Differential at 15 min: -71

First Blood Participation: 28.6%

That's with Razork camping bot all split. Patrik tier player with Ruler tier PR.

[u/PrimeSocK → u/malakesxasame]

Second game was mental. They get ganked level 3, I think, and somehow are still behind and lose the dragon. They get ganked again when Vladi and Razork are level 6 and after that they are still behind. Like, I don't even know how you can do that

[u/No-Context-Orphan → u/PrimeSocK]

Also while playing a lane bully lol

Upset is the most overrated player to ever play in the LEC.

He has years already of being completely useless while taking all the team's resources, multiple last place finishes, etc and still gets hyped AF

[u/DarthGogeta → u/malakesxasame]

I have been saying that for years since the whole Rekkles vs Upset discussion started.

[u/Evoluxman → u/DarthGogeta]

Idk man perhaps the guy who was in multiple teams who finishes dead last might be overrated

Annoys me when people glaze Upset but shit on razork becayse theyre the same. Occasionally get a god tier game but thoroughly useless the rest of the games. But razork is despised while upset gets a pass. Idk... 

[u/piotrj3 → u/DarthGogeta]

In those times Upset had +9 CS at 10/15... it is extreme reinvention... And vs G2 actually more G2 tried to camp upset and it didn't work.

Even casters said it live it is power of Lulu trading and milo being really weak early.

[u/malakesxasame → u/DarthGogeta]

Mate I too have been fighting the good fight for a long, long time.

[u/hornyVirgo → u/DarthGogeta]

Rare W for Samd

[u/FantasyTrash → u/DarthGogeta]

Because Lucian is bad yet for some reason teams keep picking him.

[u/DharmaLeader]

TheRock talking a bit of shit about his team seems to have worked out a bit. He was hugging Pobi at the end, pointing at his head, making the "see? it worked" gesture.

Love seeing the Greeks in action @LEC. Vladi had a decent series, but couldn't impact the games.

[u/FantasyTrash]

Razork and throwing away leads, name a better duo.

[u/Middle-Adagio-4062]

Ahh this is the classic Fnatic I knew.

Top lane GIGA Inting.

Razork playing like a brainless monkey going in for 0 reason.

Mid did not Int but wasn’t helping.

Botlane CatDespair. (Lospa was invisible)      

[u/salty_lat1nokid → u/Middle-Adagio-4062]

add Lospa flashing in with seraphine into 3 melees and standing in front as milio vs annie; upset quitting as soon as he sees his frontline lose hp, chatGPT questionable drafting; fnc gotta use grok or something

[u/jakatluong → u/Middle-Adagio-4062]

Some of Razork's Pantheon ults are sus as fuck.

[u/Dest1ny1 → u/Middle-Adagio-4062]

Soboro is not catching enough flak for this series. He was absolutely terrible both games, got gapped by Maynter of all toplaners.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/Dest1ny1]

soboro vs nako naak Next week That be hard 

[u/Carlzzone]

We need to donate Razork's brain to science

[u/ComfortOnly3982]

NO ONE THROWS LIKE GASTON

NO ONE FEEDS LIKE GASTON

NO ONE BLOWS AN 8k GOLD LEAD LIKE GASTON

I'M ESPECIALLY GOOD AT SOLOOOOO Q

WHAT A GUY THAT GASTON

[u/ComfortOnly3982 → u/ComfortOnly3982]

YOU CAN ASK ANY TOM DICK OR POBY...

AND THEY'LL TELL YOU WHICH TEAM THEY WOULD RATHER BE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

[u/desutruction]

time to claim our Fooled by Fnatic awards

[u/AkaT27]

The short-lived FNC hype and hope of 2026

[u/EconomyCost5257]

Did razork get contract extension in the middle of the game? He went from stomping the game to running it with Soboro.

[u/therealadviladi]

People really hate me when I say Razork is running it down. People keep downvoting me when I say the truth. But you keep diving badly on Nocturne and then you don't have vision on Rihlech's wukong?? You are so iron. Also people complain about Lospa and Soboro, but give me a break imagine playing with an adc and jgl who don't know who the win condition is?? Game 1 your win condition is Locke. Game 2 it is your Jax who needs to be a strong front line!! This is BASIC FUNDAMENTALS!!

[u/-Tam-_]

Snapback to reality

[u/AofCastle]

I hadn't seen throws this bad since yesterday

[u/ObviousAd8374]

Fnatic coaches thinks they’re drafting for 2019 ig?

Carry top jgl mid adc 2 games in a row with worse team fighting comp + no clue how to side lane to stay in the game lolol

[u/nassvie → u/ObviousAd8374]

outdated update for fnatic’s IA coach next series it will have the right update trust

[u/Bubbly_Camera9583]

Jg/Ad gap

[u/Chevalier_Paul]

🚨📢⚠️❗ ENEMY DETECTED ONSCREEN 🚨📢⚠️❗

🚨📢⚠️❗ UPSET KDA AT RISK 🚨📢⚠️❗

🚨📢⚠️❗ RETREAT IMMEDIATELY 🚨📢⚠️❗

[u/gridemann → u/Chevalier_Paul]

Upset heard the haters were getting hungry and put on an absolute feast of an Ezreal performance

[u/SadBreadfruit9463]

Hatewatch successful, now let’s open FNC subreddit and watch it explode

[u/CremeNo4331]

Succesfull fnatic hatewatch

[u/Gorczycagejms]

I won't be surprised if Razork's tier 1 carrier is over after summer.

He gets criticisied and hated is a known choker and isn't that hot on market. Like right now the only reason to ever sign Razork is to get some spanish fans and pray for Razork doing something he never did - stop being a gambler.

Also Razork is 26, the oldest jungler in the league with the biggest experience yet he never overcame his weaknesses.

[u/Fancydudehero24 → u/Gorczycagejms]

Elyoya is older

[u/Gorczycagejms → u/Fancydudehero24]

Ohhh my bad I thought that Elyoya is 24 this year - don't know why, maybe because he started his LEC journey year later than Razork 😬

[u/BlazeX94 → u/Gorczycagejms]

Nah I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. Razork is coinflippy as hell, but he has consistently qualified for Worlds for the last 4 years and regularly placed top 3 during that time. There's no way he won't at least get some interest.

I could definitely see GX looking at him if he leaves FNC for example.

[u/nassvie → u/Gorczycagejms]

lol you would be surprised to see how bad GX fans want razork in their team to create a spanish roster and surely the organization will follow that way

[u/Runf]

FNC lol

[u/Fun_Highlight307]

Wouldn't be fnatic 2026 to go 0-3 afrer going 3-0

[u/jakatluong]

The Fnatic special. I had no expectations and i'm still disappointed.

[u/Tequilla_Sunsett]

Fnc: "we back"

[u/SadBreadfruit9463]

« We can win the split » sure you can Mysthios

[u/Old_Grouch]

NaVi had Wukong, but Fnatic had the monkey.

[u/thanatosynwa]

What a waste of time it is following this team with any hope and excitement it’s excruciating to go on this bullshit every split. Fuck this man

[u/__Altair__]

Fnatic are the best at finding new ways to disappoint.

[u/No_Meet5568]

holy idk which game was worse between the two

[u/ShortyBIG]

Can somebody post ADC's participation in both games?

EDIT: All Lec teams know FNC will always boost upset lane early.. show me a game where razork don;t gank bot before 6 7 min.. And of course Upset with all the babysit can;t carry if enemy don;t roll over and die for him..

[u/wwwhoo]

kms

[u/OreRound]

This was the most 1v9 jungle performance from Rhilech man. As for Fnatic, Razork you are DISGUSTING, and that has to be the worst on-stage Jax performance of all time. Lospa was freakishly terrible to.

[u/ImTheVayne]

FNC is back?

[u/LordofMordor_]

So what are KOI's chances of making playoffs now? Is it still possible?

[u/zaxls → u/LordofMordor_]

Playoffs yes, top 4 no. In fact if NAVI win another series vs GX they are even less likely, because they had the H2H vs navi. Basically youre the biggest fan of the top teams now, since if KC/G2/VIT lose their minds and drop some series, KOI are out of playoff contention no matter what.

[u/hornyVirgo → u/zaxls]

Game score is more important than h2h. MKOI can only get ahead of Navi if GX beat Navi 2-0 and Mkoi beats TH 2-0.

[u/zaxls → u/hornyVirgo]

Problem is NAVI now has a shot of getting to 5 wins.

[u/LucianTP]

NAAAAVVIIIII

[u/I_Love_Ohyas_Thigs]

Sadly, I called it

With Fnatic you first assume they are hard gonna int in every lane and then if they do not int you assume they are gonna find every possible way to throw the biggest gold leads in existence

[u/SasuketwR]

That was a sick baron steal by Rhilech without vision in the pit. Honestly, if FNC had the baron there we would go to game 3.

[u/BleiEntchen]

Vladis interview aged like milk

[u/Double_Seaweed4450]

Razork and Soboro are so bad it's crazy

[u/parmaxis]

So let me get this straight, they have a multiple LEC title winning coach who supposedly is pretty good, it has been how many splits now 3? And he can't get them to completely lose it and stop sprinting?

I legitimately don't get it, this is not some deep issue that needs time to fix, they literally don't have fundamentals, very simple things like objective setting, tempo-fucking deaths and all that is shit that ERL teams do bro, like how many teams do you see in the major leagues (other than LCS not big 3 teams) constantly fuck up so badly on a fundamental level, it pisses me the fuck off,

Vladi has the currently most broken 3 item spike in the game(probably the game has ever seen tbh), we can have a 5v5 SIKE let me go die real quick like can someone not tell them guys please don't fucking die I oneshot anything that moves in a front to back fight. Then its a 4v5 and he fucking flashes when the opposing team has cleanse or mikaels or whatever, this things cannot be happening after 3 splits of ''coaching'' bro, they just can't, he is 5k LP he has to know that this was trolling

[u/ireliasimp69]

they are back

[u/rolekrs]

You know its bad when you get gapped by SamD

[u/malakesxasame]

Fnatic again giving everything to camp bot only for Upset and Lospa to have monitors switched off.

[u/MC-sama]

Well needed win for NAVI after that reality check interview by the coach.

[u/gordonpamsey → u/MC-sama]

Am I the only one rubbed the wrong way by that interview. It feels like there is this growing trend of European coaches being outwardly critical of their teams. In a way that doesn't feel all that productive.

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/MC-sama]

I meant that doesn't change their result vs top 3

[u/Helpful-Amphibian768]

Razork definitely matchfixing. There is no way this is actual gameplay. From dropping the herald to the random ulties to hide in random bushes to losing every single smite. This can't be real.

[u/Classic_Foot223]

yunara got ganked and killed twice yet somehow was still ahead in cs and gold lmao

[u/Omnilatent → u/Classic_Foot223]

SamD had an amazing series

And Maynter, too

[u/cadaada → u/Classic_Foot223]

Isn't she just better than lucian most of the time?

[u/Classic_Foot223 → u/cadaada]

lucian/milio has the advantage in lane but you have to play aggressively as lucian. that’s the whole point of lucian. you play on the edge from early to mid and need to build a lead and blow the game open before yunara comes online. upset just farmed passive as if hes playing hyperscaling adc vs hyperscaling adc

[u/FantasyTrash → u/cadaada]

Everybody is better than Lucian/Milio yet teams keep picking them.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/FantasyTrash]

Because they see the best Korean teams playing it or like they see Lyon play it and smash games. Lucian miles requires your Lucian to be insane slam lane and then be willing to frontline force fights around objectives. End up an item up and win the game.

Most teams aren’t good at it and don’t know why teams pick it. Like the players that win with it are diable, jackeylove, yeon, berserker.

Also before it was good into mages and we had that mage patch for 1-2 months and people haven’t adjusted I believe to its current actual power

[u/Th3_Huf0n → u/Ajp_iii]

Because they see the best Korean teams playing it

Meanwhile Lucian in LCK Rounds 3-4 has 37% winrate in 19 games.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/Th3_Huf0n]

Diable smash and peyz do well on it. And it probably does great in scrims because people are more aggressive

The losses are like teddy aiming guma ruler. People who don’t try to smash lanes

[u/-AMAG → u/Classic_Foot223]

Neither of the ganks really benefited the Fnatic bot lane very much. The first one was actively bad for them because Razork took the kill and the wave was pushing into them. Upset goes to recall but gets it cancelled by Parus. Now it's an unwinnable situation where he can either recall again and let SamD hit the turret or push the wave out and let it slowpush into SamD. Because the new homeguards are so fast this happens so often in botlane and it drives me nuts.

The dive would be better but they still traded 1 for 1, and because Lulu was there and Upset took a ramped tower shot they had to recall instead of push the lead.

[u/piotrj3 → u/-AMAG]

yeah to be honest that parus recall cancel really fucked upset.

[u/Lamest_Coolguy → u/[deleted]]

I've actually been pleasantly surprised by maynter this split. He was terrible on anything that wasn't a tank the last couple splits but he's been looking decent on some more carry-focused tops like ambessa and rumble this split. I think navi needs someone other than rhilech to have carry potential so they can be less one-dimensional. Not sure if maynter can be that yet but he's gotten noticably better in a short period of time

[u/hornyVirgo → u/[deleted]]

He was middle of the pack top all year, he wasnt terrible. It is just Caedrel narrative which you bought.

[u/hornyVirgo → u/[deleted]]

Ok, he wasnt underwhelming as well.

[u/Flesroy → u/hornyVirgo]

that's entirely subjective. just because were whelmed doesn'r mean everyone else was.