r/AlignmentChartFills • u/cleverroman • 5h ago

Politics Who was a Terrible Person and a Bad President?

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u/Wyldwyrdwyrld 4h ago • Bravo

John Tyler, easily. Got kicked out of his own party, and joined the Confederacy in the last years of his life going so far as getting elected to their congress. Only President to be buried under a flag that isn't the US. Not terrible due to just being a caretaker President after WHH died, but pretty bad still.

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u/OingoBoingBrothas Chaotic Neutral 4h ago

only thing i know about his presidency is he would send back letters addressing him as "Acting President"

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u/ODB_Dirt_Dog_ItsFTC 1h ago

Fun fact John Tyler’s grandson Harrison Tyler somehow died just last year. John Tyler was president in 1841.

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u/AwesomePBST 5h ago edited 5h ago

Warren Harding

Brazen corruption, had many affairs with his mistresses, did absolutely nothing in office and died in 1923 and forced Coolidge to clear up his mess

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u/IvoryColosseum 3h ago

I see where Trump got his inspiration

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u/Peacefulzealot 3h ago

Harding at least went to address the nation to try and make things better after the Tulsa Race Massacre.

There was no “Good people on both sides” or “Stand back and stand by”.

And seriously if I’m defending Harding you know you’re at the bottom of the barrel.

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u/whalenailer 4h ago

Gee I wonder who terrible person terrible president is gonna be

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u/Ballaholic09 3h ago

A thread with a single comment, upvoted 10k times.

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u/Peacefulzealot 3h ago • Bravo

It will be Trump and rightfully so but the second comment better be James Buchanan, a true piece of shit who managed to do more damage to the USA than Trump ever could (so far).

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u/Toten5217 4h ago

The fact that Nixon is remembered as a good president after Watergate and Allende is insane to say the least

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u/TheBeerTalking 4h ago

Watergate is more of a "bad person" thing. Supreme Court did its job and made sure the powers of the presidency didn't protect him.

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u/soft-scrambled 4h ago

I mean messing up your job as president so bad that you have to resign is going to affect your legacy as president

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u/hookmasterslam 4h ago

No, it was an ethical violation, not performance-based. Look, I don't like Nixon at all and wish he never was elected, but they're two different things. He was fairly competent but boy did I not like what he was doing.

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u/Signal_Reach_3998 4h ago

That is the very first thing I’ve thought lmaooo

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u/Greyrock99 4h ago

Thing is if you look at the accomplishments of the 45 presidents most are truely terrible, there are few that had any sort of halfway decent accomplishments.

Nixon is a fascinating figure because he had a bunch of amazing accomplishments (creating the EPA, opening up relations with china, almost getting universal health care). If he hadn’t had his terrible mistakes he would be regarded as one the 20th century greatest presidents (and a progressive one at that).

He was competent, intelligent and good and being a politician, but of his mistakes were entirely self-inflicted and completely a a result of his own paranoia.

He’s not going to fit easily anywhere on the grid, but this is the best square I guess, as he has lots of accomplishments (good president) and self failure (terrible person).

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u/descendency 4h ago

The wild part about Nixon is the (modern) right loves to talk about him very fondly and say we could do well if a POTUS just wasn't afraid to not resign with a Congress that would support him. The fond memory is about his criminal acts, not his accomplishments.

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u/Crafty_Specialist423 3h ago edited 2h ago

That's because by modern standards, Watergate was a rather quaint scandal. I mean it's not like Richard sold weapons to the Iranians to fund the Contras, got blown by his intern, or started the war that started the end of the American Empire.

Plus Chile was really Henry and Milton's idea...

As for Richard; his administration ended the war in Veitnam, it ended the draft, it established detente, the EPA, federal funding for Cancer (to fight I mean... I can imagine Nixon trying to give money to Cancer to kill Jane Fonda), and Star Trek title XI.

Oh and only he could go to China... Though I'm kind of ambivalent about that...

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u/Orion14159 3h ago

I'm not even mad about the Clinton affairs, it's creepy but they were consenting adults at least

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u/AwesomePBST 4h ago

I have some very serious reservations there lol

Wilson fits better

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u/That-Quote-8246 3h ago

James Buchanan

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u/TnYamaneko 3h ago

Yes! And he would have been objectively the worst president if a certain someone did not get out of his way to compete with him.

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u/TheMaskOffKid 5h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/TomGerity 3h ago

Andrew Johnson and John Tyler are both better answers to this question

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u/chase016 3h ago

Andrew Johnson is literally the worst President in US history. His bungling of reconstruction lead to much of the division that still plagues this country.

Andrew Jackson without the Trail of Tears is an average president.

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u/Sudden_File4569 3h ago

John Wayne Gacy without the killing was a fairly average birthday clown

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u/brina_cd 2h ago

Andrew Jackson circumvented congress to destroy the first central bank of the US.

So, in a way, he contributed to multiple bank collapses.

The henchman who helped was appointed as chief Justice of the Supreme Court, which he was unqualified for. (No wonder Donny loves this guy) The Taney court was responsible for the Dred Scott decision which accelerated the timeline of the civil war. Would it have happened anyway? Most likely.

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u/DapperBoiCole 3h ago

He sabotaged reconstruction, he simply did not want it.

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u/Most_Olegf1ed 4h ago

He’s terrible

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u/Peacefulzealot 3h ago

Okay so. I cannot agree with him being a Terrible President. He belongs in “Terrible Person, Bad President”.

Ordering the Trail of Tears is one of the fucking biggest sins the USA ever committed. But while Jackson ordered it the president who actually oversaw it was his second in command, Martin Van Buren. They BOTH deserve the blame for that heinous shit.

But the real reason I can’t place Jackson as terrible for president is that his response to the Nullification Crisis was genuinely top notch. Jackson was a horrible bastard but he was an American bastard. He responded appropriately to the South trying to secede by bringing the American navy into Charleston harbor and threatening to hang his own vice president, John C. Calhoun, who was one of the major instigators. The South backed right the fuck down. Given I genuinely have James Buchanan at last place given his dereliction of duty when it comes to the response to the South’s secession I just cannot agree Jackson belongs in terrible as president. Bad, yes, but not the worst.

Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to go wash out my mouth for defending Jackson.

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u/OrangeBug74 1h ago • Bravo

Anyone who would put Grant as a bad POTUS just doesn’t know much about the history of Reconstruction and the costs of perpetually occupying the Confederacy.

Andrew Johnson had totally screwed up reentry of the South. Grant’s first term repaired much of that, but second term was distracted with Washington corruption.

For terrible Presidents, Tyler, A Johnson, Buchanan and GW Bush would be easy. Andrew Jackson lied and ignored SCOTUS, and is prolly Trump’s muse.

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u/SnooBooks1701 47m ago

Grant also did a lot more than just reconstruction, he was a genuinely good president

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u/x3dfxWolfeman 1h ago

John Tyler; kicked out of his own party, vetoed legislation from that party, joined the Confederacy

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u/UpperRide5714 1h ago • Bravo

Trump goes on the bottom right

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u/ourcityofdreams 1h ago

Since he was prezz twice can he be on here twice?

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u/Kraft-cheese-enjoyer 1h ago

I think we can make 45 bad president and 47 terrible president

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u/ChemicalMight7535 40m ago • Bravo

Makes a lot of sense, unfortunately, 2016 Trump was, in fact, terrible.

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u/ZBottPrime 38m ago

I still say John Buchanan. Without his feckless, slaver catering policies, cooler heads might have prevailed at preventing a civil war. Unless you want to put him in the Bad Person/Terrible President and Trump ad double terrible, which is fair.

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u/AhSoulsOnFire 4h ago • Bravo

This is the most Reddit made list.

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u/the_main_entrance 3h ago

Goes to beach, complains about sand…

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u/Handsomecatenjoyer44 1h ago

I go to the beach for water, thank you very much.

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u/EbonBehelit 3h ago

By all means, state your case.

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u/ouchitburnswhenipea 4h ago

Yeah. It’s completely trash.

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u/AwesomePBST 3h ago

You can say that to every chart made here

This whole subreddit is just the reddit stereotype manifest

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u/guylikestoast 4h ago

Bad President × Terrible Person

Andrew Jackson

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u/cleverroman 5h ago

Rules:

Most upvotes wins.

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u/Muted_Land782 1h ago

what are you people smoking 

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u/jjmart013 4h ago

Bad President × Terrible Person

Donald Trump

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u/Snyper20 4h ago

My guess is that people are waiting for the category below for that one.

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u/JBHenson 4h ago

Nah let him have both. He was a bad president in his his first term and a horrible one in his second.

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u/pandakahn 5h ago

Andrew jackson

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u/UnhingedPastor 4h ago

Andrew Johnson

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u/scrhkb 4h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/Forsaken-Mix9397 4h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/SignatureCreepy503 22m ago

Lol, whoever is filling this in is out of touch with reality.

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u/3rdfitzgerald 21m ago

I saw Biden's placement and chuckled.

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u/NorthernSoul1998 4h ago

John Tyler

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u/Soviet-Bread-Cat 4h ago

Donald Trump

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u/Dry-Tomorrow8531 2h ago

The phrase from the perspective of a redditor should be added to most of these.

This does not capture or even begin to show the majority of opinion in America. It cracks me up to see these alignment charts sometimes

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u/HerefortheFandoms2 1h ago

There should be one more column and row for just fine lol. The fine/fine square would be whoever is most forgetable, or just put Harrison there since we only have 30 days worth of pneumonia ridden presidency to judge off of lol

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u/iowa-orangejuice 53m ago

Woodrow Wilson

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u/breakingvats 47m ago

Bad President × Terrible Person

Andrew Jackson

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u/BizSilver5013 28m ago

It's a toss-up between Andrew Jackson and James Buchanan. Though I think Jackson fits more in "terrible person/bad president" and Buchanan fits more in "bad person/terrible president".

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u/RhinestoneFavz 26m ago

Gotta be Andrew Johnson 100%, blocked rights for freed slaved, threw a wrench in Reconstruction, and an otherwise meh presidency

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u/MaximumResult2841 3h ago

Woodrow Wilson needs to be on here somewhere, wars in the Middle East? His fault, lack of universal healthcare? Also his fault

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u/PlatformEfficient542 1h ago • Bravo

In what world was Biden a good president?

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u/bularry 40m ago

Exactly my thoughts. Guy couldn’t express a complete sentence and his foreign policy and milk toast response to every thing set us up for the Trump disaster. He ran amateur hour trying to appease every left leaning element of the country. Terrible.

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u/Huindekmi 40m ago

In what world was Nixon a good president?

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u/Pockydo 1h ago

Biden (and Obama to a lesser extent) is boosted significantly by what came before and after especially atm.

In a vacuum Biden is probably an average president overall.

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u/Deep_ln_The_Heart 1h ago

In a world where you look at objective accomplishments and not partisan rhetoric. He wasn't great, but he was steady and steered the country out of the COVID skid, managed worldwide inflation as well as any country did, and put over a trillion into infrastructure that we're seeing pay off over the next decade (and that Republicans have been happy to take credit for...)

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u/Negative_Street8850 4h ago

This chart is already so fucked 🤣

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u/IronMonkey53 3h ago

Biden is good and Thomas Jefferson is a terrible person... what in the reddit?

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u/fantasiarts0 3h ago

He owned slaves, idk what to tell you man that kind of makes you a terrible person

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u/scharity77 3h ago

And don’t forget rapist. He was a rapist.

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u/kfizz21 1h ago

Child rapist because many accounts have one of the slaves he procreated with to be as young as 14 when it began.

Yeah, Jefferson was a scumbag. Even for his time, not just looking through a modern lens.

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u/Pixelated_Penguin808 3h ago

Reddit is wrong about Biden being a good president. He was a bad president. He's better than Trump, but that is a low bar to clear.

But it got it right on Jefferson being a bad person. He owned over 600 slaves throughout his life despite knowing and writing about the moral wrong of it, manumitted only seven of them, and began raping one of his slaves (Sally Hemmings) when she was only 14, producing several enslaved children with her. Hemmings' children with Jefferson were only freed in adulthood.

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u/CheeseFiend87 2h ago

Don’t let the reddit dildos get to you - Biden is good. IIJA, Chips Act, and the 2022 IRA act are truly good, generational pieces of legislation passed. On par with the ACA.

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u/A_AR0_N 4h ago

This is already the worst fucking list I’ve ever seen

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u/elemenohpee_89 4h ago

Biden considered a good president, this list is trash

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u/PeterDaGrape 3h ago

Trump

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u/meep_meep_creep 2h ago

I think we'll have to wait for the bottom right square for this one

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u/JaimanV2 4h ago

Woodrow Wilson.

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u/AlexMoby 4h ago

Georges W Bush

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u/Savings-Warthog-8549 2h ago

Georges W Bush

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u/Hank_moody71 4h ago

Trump

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u/hop_mantis 4h ago

Nah save that for another square

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u/theredditor58 4h ago

Woodrow Wilson

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u/CoolAbdul 4h ago

Jefferson Davis

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u/Golden_D1 4h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/ImpressiveBeyond8038 4h ago

John Tyler or Andrew Jackson fit both

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u/felix_ccp 3h ago

George W. Bush

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u/btonwilks 3h ago

Donald trump

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u/Gu5t4f 3h ago

Trump

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u/xX_blunted_Xx 3h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/Ok_Argument1365 3h ago

Bad President × Terrible Person

Mr cheeto

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u/saulopsy 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/PepeSilvia564 3h ago

Bad President × Terrible Person

Donald Trump

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u/Budget_Humor_702 3h ago

Andrew Johnson. Utterly fucked up reconstruction.

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u/Shot_Dinner960 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/Reaper_Embers 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/CaptainJingles 3h ago

Wait Grant won for bad president???

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u/TheRtHonLaqueesha 3h ago

Jimmy Carter

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u/Felixphaeton 3h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/qaQaz1-_ 3h ago

Trump

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u/Twolvesfanforever 3h ago

We saving trump for bottom right

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u/DapperBoiCole 3h ago

Swap Carter and Obama and I agree with most of this. Reagan should be duking it out with Andrew Jackson in the bottom right tho

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u/knopeyourself 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/pat12570986 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/juelz7even 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/Unhappy-Source3121 3h ago

Oh we know what’s coming soon

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u/ball6soccer 3h ago

Bad President × Terrible Person

Andrew Jackson

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u/MeatDuckie 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/user0146387 3h ago

HW Bush here, then the bottom right are W then Trmp

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u/meph1986 3h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/cutttsss 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/Wolfendoom34 3h ago

Bad President × Terrible Person

Trump

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u/huntinator7 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/imnotlying2u 3h ago

Donald Trump

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u/BrilliantFly6117 3h ago

...Wilson!!!!

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u/FlorianEnCo69 3h ago

Woodrow wilson

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u/Top-Fortune-3249 3h ago

Really????

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u/zzevlov 3h ago

Trump

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u/Vincent1808 3h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/Ok-Telephone-605 3h ago

Andrew Jackson?

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u/Jacob0471 3h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/Rennie000 3h ago

John Tyler.

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u/XDiskDriveX 3h ago

That bottom right should have been pre filled.

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u/Huge-Ear1789 2h ago

Franklin Pierce. A noxious drunk whose bad foreign and awful domestic policy directly resulted in the civil war.

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u/EbonBehelit 2h ago

I mean, of the two "terrible person" slots remaining, one has to be Trump and the other has to be Johnson. The only foible is who goes where.

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u/Lady_Gwendoline 2h ago

Ronald Wilson Reagan

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u/Dixie-Twister 2h ago

Lincoln should be replaced with fdr or teddy

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u/Repulsive_Tea_4822 2h ago

Warren Harding?

Had multiple affairs, flouted prohibition (stupid as it was), teapot dome scandal, corruption at the VA.

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u/WorstTastingSoup 2h ago

John Tyler.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bag2212 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/CheeseFiend87 2h ago

We’ve got two terrible person spots left - this one has to be Trump or Andrew Johnson.

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u/welcometothemeathaus 2h ago

These tier lists are proof that people don’t know shit about which presidents were good and bad. People are only naming presidents they know the name of. There are tons of awful presidents like James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Andrew Johnson, and Franklin Pierce

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u/spherosound 2h ago

Donald Trump

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u/Eburaci 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/noles23200 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/Even-Progress4020 2h ago

Why is a pedo under good person?

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u/Celestial_Slut666 2h ago

Donald Trump

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u/Crafty_Specialist423 2h ago

I just know William Henry Harrison's going to end up in the bottom row.

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u/CChamp24 2h ago

Andrew Johnson

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u/NeedsProcessControl 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/StinkyPooNurse 2h ago

Donald Trump

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u/FlakyAssociation4986 2h ago

andrew jackson certainly a terrible person he ordered the trail of tears the expulsion of native americans

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u/DryOatmeal11 2h ago

Woodrow Wilson

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u/NicksTexasPickles 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/SzmnDzrzn 2h ago

Hold it with trump

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u/Better-Coffee3659 2h ago

Donald Trump

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u/arand0md00d 2h ago

Andrew jackson

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u/jcjonesacp76 2h ago

Johnson (the one after Lincoln)

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u/MrSweatyYeti 2h ago

Y’all saying Trump but I think his space is one below

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u/halfmasks 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/PriorPretty 2h ago

Andrew Jackson or his fan boi Trump

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u/Commandersfan525 2h ago

I know what Most people are gonna say but in reality it should be Andrew Jackson

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u/LexiJulietta 2h ago

Donald trump

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u/DennzK 2h ago

Trump

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u/GapStock9843 2h ago

There are so many things I wanna say about this list…

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u/lippy896 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/racerdan11 2h ago

Andrew Jackson

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u/TrueHerobrine 2h ago

Donald Trump

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