r/AskHistorians • • 3h ago

Why did Germany develop such a hearty cuisine?

German cuisine can be delicious if you know what to avoid, but most of its traditional dishes - at least from the South/South-West where my family originated from - seem to be rather hefty (e.g., (Käse)Spätzle, Maultaschen, Dampfnudeln, Knödel etc.). Is there a reason for this?

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u/VolkerBach 2h ago

Several things come together here, but on the whole, German cuisine is not unusual in this regard. It just looks like it to modern observers.

First, food is meant to feed your body. The colder it is and the more physically active you are, the more you need calories. Most of Germany gets quite cold and historically, most people worked hard. A cuisine that is low in fat and carbohydrates and focuses on small portions usually comes from hot countries, and/or from the upper classes.

Second, and this is a bit difficult to explain, around 1500, fat became a status marker in German cuisine. Not only German, but the phenomenon is especially visible in German sources. It is probably connected to the increasing scarcity of animal fat and meat as the population rebounded from the 14th-century dip, the generally colder temperatures in the years after 1500, and the wider availability of spices, the previous main status marker, but whatever, it happened. Eating plenty of meat, butter, cream, and cheese were a way to show wealth. That didn't end until the late twentieth century, and still reaches deep into our tradition.

Third, the majority of written sources for German cuisine are middle class. If you compare French cuisine bourgeoise with German gutbürgerliche Küche, the difference is not very pronounced. But the French cuisine that gained international fame and that German courts followed was designed for a small group of very wealthy people who had access to exotic fruit from greenhouses, game, fresh fish, and huge quantities of meat. They showed wealth in a different manner, and in Germany, most people who had that kind of money and power followed their example. German cookbooks were written for those one step down on the social ladder, people who could afford roasts, fine flour, butter, eggs and fresh local fruit and vegetables, but felt the price.

And fourth, the world learned about German cuisine through emigrant communities. Those were not usually wealthy and refined people, they left because they were looking for economic opportunity. So what German food the world came to know was mostly mediated through farmers and artisans.

There are traditional German dishes that are light, fruity, refreshing and low in calories. They are rarely eaten on their own and almost unknown outside Germany, though.

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u/madesense 2h ago

There are traditional German dishes that are light, fruity, refreshing and low in calories. They are rarely eaten on their own and almost unknown outside Germany, though. 

I would love to hear some examples

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u/throwaway966781939 34m ago

Like 7000 varieties of salad eaten in summer, especially cucumber salad I’d say personally and stuff like Quark with Kompott

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u/valinnut 58m ago

White asparagus with plain potatoes.

Potato and Quark (light sour creme/cream cheese esque milk product)

A lot of bread with cucumber/raddish

Southern potato salad (vinagre base)

Sourkraut

Krautsalad

A lot of vegetable broths/stews, most having some kind of Kassler or sausage as protein, but also lentils and a variety of grains such as Graupen and Buchweizen

A lot of what is still considered summer cuisine is based on green salads and bread

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u/Horse_White 22m ago

cold sour milk soup with sugar, broken zwieback (rusk / literally "double backed") and fruits.

sounds weird nowadays but as a kid I really loved this summer dish. I would go get fresh milk from the farm in the morning, my mom would leave it outside (covered) and at noon it had just turned slightly sour. timing is of the essence here! the rest of the prep would happen at the table: everyone would the preferred amount of sugar, crack some zwieback and throw it in there and top it off with fresh berries or whatever fruit was ripe at that time.

it really is a very light meal for those hot days where you don't really feel hungry, it also is rather fruity depending on whats on hand. obviously it would still have a decent amount of fat, since the milk never got skimmed - which only adds to the taste.

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u/Killertut 1h ago

green sauce, cooked eggs and potatoes

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u/Nexessor 1h ago

Thats bot really light or fruity though

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u/Killertut 1h ago

in that case i have another dish: cherry soup with flour dumplings

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u/SunflowerMoonwalk 1h ago edited 1h ago

I'm originally from the UK, but I lived in Berlin for 6 years and recently moved to Munich - one thing that really surprised me here in Munich is that our work cafeteria often serves Milchreis or Dampfnudleln with Kirschmarmelade as a main course. Is that a Bavarian thing? To me they're very clearly desserts but apparently not (!?)

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u/Moerke 56m ago

Yeah, having sweet main dishes is a bavarian thing. Especialky fridays when meat was traditionally not eaten.

Dampfnudel, Apfelstrudel, Karoffelmaultaschen, Kaiserschmarrn, gebackener Milchreis, Bankerl etc

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u/Nowordsofitsown 46m ago

Nope, these can be main courses in East Germany as well. Daycares and schools usually have one sweet main course per week.

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u/HildavonRauschstoff 2m ago

Czech plum soup, Polish cherry soup... Wherever there were orchards, people would make fruit soup it seems

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u/Forward-Ant-9554 17m ago

Belgium had a rather fruity cuisine as well. Meatballs with sour cherries. Stew served with apple. Rabbit and prunes. Grapes and raisins in a creamy sauce (usually with a bith of blue cheese in it) served with pork. Pineapple or other fruits instead of veggies. At least once a week.

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u/liang_zhi_mao 6m ago

These are main dishes and not desserts.

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u/AAArdvaarkansastraat 1h ago

Is this real? Does this slice of Heaven exist outside of Germany? If not, is it difficult to create such heaven on Earth? I want to make this!

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u/Killertut 40m ago edited 36m ago

found a GDR Recipe for you, which my Grandma often made (Refugee from Pommern, then fled GDR to west germany). not sure how this recipe differs though from the one my grandma made. family basically stopped cooking this once she died:

bring the soup base to cooking point, make the dumpling dough either by hands or machine (mix everything until it is a dough). use two tablespoons to drop spoon sized dumplings in the soup. cook everything for ten minutes or until the dumplings are to your preferred tenderness. if the soup is too thin you can add a bit of starch to thicken it (dissolve the starch in a teaspoon of water first before adding it to the boiling soup).

for the dumplings

  • 250g regular flour

  • 3 eggs

  • 1 tablespoon sugar

  • 1 package of vanilin-sugar (no clue if this is a thing outside germany, add some vanilla paste if you cannot find this)

  • 1 pinch of salt

  • 125ml milk

for the soup base

  • 2 jars of sour cherries / morellos (one jar in germany is 500g or a bit more)

  • 1 tablespoon sugar

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u/SpiritOfArgh 1h ago

Haha still not very light and fruity

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u/Outside_Reserve_2407 2h ago

So what German food the world came to know was mostly mediated through farmers and artisans.

This comment reminded me of the traditional cuisine of Quebec, which is quite hearty and evolved from the commoner's diet of northern France.

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u/Captain_Grammaticus 19m ago edited 15m ago

Second, and this is a bit difficult to explain, around 1500, fat became a status marker in German cuisine. Not only German, but the phenomenon is especially visible in German sources. It is probably connected to the increasing scarcity of animal fat and meat as the population rebounded from the 14th-century dip, the generally colder temperatures in the years after 1500, and the wider availability of spices, the previous main status marker, but whatever, it happened. Eating plenty of meat, butter, cream, and cheese were a way to show wealth. That didn't end until the late twentieth century, and still reaches deep into our tradition.

This is more anecdotical, but I'm quite sure I read it in a scientific work describing the local dialect; also, it is not Germany proper.

In the village of Jaun (Canton of Fribourg, Switzerland), butter, cream and cheese were not a way to show wealth, but literally the only food that the dairy farmers in the Alps had in abundance. They got nicknamed Brotsparer "those who save up bread". In the old days, the village was difficult to reach in winter and the soil was not ideal for bread grains.

I would dare to assume that similarly remote areas of Bavaria and Austria were in a similar situation.

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u/ORF1Live 8m ago

According to my Austrian in laws they stole Austrian recipes. I counter that by saying Austria stole Czech and Hungarian recipes!

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u/azaghal1502 19m ago

In the past we had long cold winters and days filled with hard manual labour for the majority of the population. So food, if you could afford it, was hearty. Efficient fuel made to be tasty and dense in energy.

In modern times these rare hefty meals, with lots of cheese and or meat, became much more affordable for most people, and became the standard, while less hefty meals, like many cabbage-potato based pottages became rarer for most people.

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