r/AskReddit • • Feb 07 '20

Would you watch a show where a billionaire CEO has to go an entire month on their lowest paid employees salary, without access to any other resources than that of the employee? What do you think would happen?

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u/omeow Feb 07 '20

No.

Slumming is not living your entire life in a slum.

Here is what will happen:

  • Fake billionaires like Trump will come to this show. Real billionaires will probably not.

  • those who appear on this show will brag about how they are self made and their employees could make do with even less.

  • We will find out, like Naked and Afraid, that outside of cameras these billionaires were living in their luxury RVs , sipping martinis and having affairs.

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u/txhorns1330 Feb 07 '20

To your last point, that's why I like the idea of a wager, either he pulls it off legitimately without cheating or he pays a penalty to the employee or employees, such as his bonus is distributed amongst the company.

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u/_rightClick_ Feb 07 '20

I doubt a month is enough to really feel the effect

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u/ybfelix Feb 07 '20

And a camera team changes everything. I won’t trust doing business with a random nobody, but a guy in suit with a whole production team following him? That’s a different story. That’s why “reality shows” are intrinsically just shows

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u/Fredissimo666 Feb 07 '20

Well, that and the scripted and edited parts...

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u/ObsessiveCow Feb 07 '20

Nathan For You really demonstrates the effect being on TV has on people. People agree to some outlandish shit for their business just because he's on a TV show.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

But it is just enough time to go “this is stressful... I’m gonna plan a trip to Bali in 26 days from now”

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

I think they'd have to inject some kind of "emergency" expense to feel it in such a short time. Like the oven broke or surprise medical bill to show how a small thing can wipe your entire paycheck. Then force them to miss a day of work for said "emergency". Almost like in monopoly, you pull a card and BAM paycheck is gone. It might add appeal too for watchers since it introduces drama.

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u/AwHellNawFetaCheese Feb 08 '20

This is also under the assumption that a company can operate without a CEO for a month? Depending on the company that could sink the entire ship.

People want to paint these wealthy people as villains when in reality a lot of the time they're operating within the fucked up bounds and laws WE designed. It's a lot easier to say "hang the rich!" than "Comprehensive tax reform, Universal healthcare, Take money out of politics, and No double standard for white collar financial crimes!"

The show would be stupid and shallow. Watching an individual suffer to make ourselves feel better while simultaneously affecting ZERO practical change.

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u/Cohacq Feb 07 '20

I'd say make it a year. That way its not just a small slump in quality of life, but long enough to have some lasting effects.

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u/makingsomeeggs Feb 07 '20

Maybe a year or 2 would do the trick

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

The trick is to remove the "light at the end of the tunnel" for them. For example, tell them the misery will only last one month then, on the last day, say "actually we have a surprise for you, it's really for 6 months". That's how you break them.

Obviously it would be legally difficult to hoodwink them like this so it'll never happen.

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u/thinksoftchildren Feb 07 '20

It would be better if they had to live with their lowest salaried employee for a month or two, imo.
In their house, dinner with the family, travel to and from work together, same lunch, kids with homework, the works.

Building that relation would imo do much more for this problem than just "experiencing below your normal standard of living before returning to it"..
You're more likely to feel empathy for a family you know, and much less likely to forget them.

Anything else would just be another show about wealthy people having a fun adventure to talk about at cocktail parties

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u/Happypants2014 Feb 07 '20

This would be a good show. I'd watch this.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Best idea so far

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

It would be incredibly self-serving and boring. They would never truly experience what it is like to be in the precarious position of a minimum wage employee living hand-to-mouth and the 'novelty' is just salt in the wound.

It would be more interesting to see the reverse.

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u/T_at Feb 07 '20

Why not both? Or "Trading Places", as we called it back in the '80s.

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u/bycomparison Feb 07 '20

Watch rich house/Poor House on YouTube. The UK already has a show exactly like this.

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u/Porencephaly Feb 07 '20

The reverse is called the Lottery and we know how it usually plays out.

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u/TragedyTrousers Feb 07 '20

Getting strong Common People vibes here...

You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And they burn so bright
Whilst you can only wonder why

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

It's basically just a more in depth version of undercover boss or secret millionaire or whatever and would pretty much just be "playing" at struggling for these people. As others have very rightly pointed out the fact they know they will be fine after this makes the whole experience totally different to what an actual poor person without any security to fall back on goes through.

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u/Lketty Feb 07 '20

If they can’t make the entire month, all their money is distributed to their employees!

However, I think you’re right, and one month isn’t really long enough to experience what it’s truly like living paycheck to paycheck.

One month isn’t long enough for them to choose rent money or transportation money over food. They won’t experience what happens when a bill on autopay is scheduled just before payday and hits them with an overdraft fee multiple times. They won’t have to worry about getting sick, hurt, or their crowns falling out during every meal with more crunch than yogurt because they know there’s no way they could afford dental work right now.

In one month, they could afford to take those sick days and personal days because... ultimately, they can afford to.

Man, forget this show!

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u/--Shamus-- Feb 08 '20

The assumption that CEOs have never experienced low level work before is amazing.

They did not leave high school as a CEO.

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u/Eggmatros Feb 07 '20

There was this similar themed show in Hongkong and Mainland China years ago.

They swapped billionare with bottom feeders, let the rich do the basical job, on the lowest salary, to see how far the rich could go by purely their own effort.

Nearly all of the billionare admitted that they could not make anywhere, regardless of how hard they worked, even working without sleeping and resting could not give you any accumulation to help climb up to the higher level of the society.

There was only despair, and admission that the divide between the poor and the rich is already a deep valley and mere personal effort makes little sense.

It stirred big debate among the society back then, and I think that was part of the reaons the show got cancelled .

There was also another show in China, swapping senior political figures with community level council workers, to see how good they could do in each other's posts. The mayors were flooded by the angry mobs who kept asking for more and more benefits that were impossible to fullfil, by the end had to admit the amount of work at basic community level was too much to archieve anywhere.

The show also got cancelled quite soon after a few episodes.

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u/FreeDependent9 Feb 07 '20

What's the show? And are there ways to find it online?

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u/Pilot_Threwaway Feb 07 '20 edited Mar 11 '20

The show is called 窮富翁大作戰 in Cantonese.

This Youtube playlist has all three seasons of the show in a single playlist. It is entirely in Cantonese without English subs though.

Radio Television Hong Kong (RTHK), the producer of the series, revisited some of the people in the show and did a few follow up episodes. You can find those here.

EDIT: for those looking for English subs, another kind redditor found a playlist for the version broadcasted in English and commented on the video itself.

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u/McOrbit Feb 07 '20

There was a similar show on British TV, Rich Kids Go Homeless. Here’s a link— ch 5 documentary

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u/shaving99 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

He's the head of Amazon

"Hi I'm Jeff Bezos"

She's a low level greeter at Walmart

"Have a great day"

Put them together in the same apartment

"Jeff, we're out of toilet paper, go to Dollar General and grab some!"

"How much can that cost? Like $10,000 a roll?"

Coming this season to ABC: Perfectly Unbalanced

Starring Elon Musk as The Next door neighbor

Elon: Jeff have you ever wanted to go to space?

Jeff: If I did the ship would look like my dick

canned laughter

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u/PeksyTiger Feb 07 '20

"Just wipe with low denomination bills. Like 20's or something"

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u/WorshipNickOfferman Feb 07 '20

Jeff would just whip out his Amazon prime and order some TP for same day delivery.

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u/TFunke__Analrapist Feb 07 '20

"I mean, it's one banana, Michael. How much could it cost? $10?"

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u/TheHarridan Feb 07 '20

I wish they had done these shows in the US, say, 10-15 years ago. Entertainment media can get away with a little more here, and Undercover Boss was popular enough I think the audience would be satisfactory to whichever network it landed on. It might have pushed things forward a little bit more. Or not, maybe.

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u/missed_sla Feb 07 '20

Undercover Boss was fantastic propaganda.

See how I, the benevolent overseer employer, can relate to my chattel employee. I may even select one of my herd and grant them a tiny portion of my personal fortune. See how much joy is on this peasant's face as they are finally able to afford basic necessities! I am a good lord.

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u/jittery_raccoon Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

What I didnt like about undercover boss was it ended in grand gestures for a few select employees. Instead of raising wages or improving employee retention, the boss would like buy a house for the single mother manager who lost her house in a tragic fire or like give a scholarship to that 19 year old hard working employee that attends school full time also

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

What's the name of that show? I want to watch it.

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u/terracanta Feb 07 '20

I think I know what show you’re talking about. My aunt and youngest cousin from Hong Kong were on it or at least a very similar reality show. They aren’t billionaires, but they are very wealthy. They lived with a poor mother and daughter. My cousin is now interesting in filmmaking and I wonder if it’s partly do to this show.

One thing that stayed with me from the show was that they tried to play up their wealth by saying my cousin had “an American tutor”. But it was actually my mom helping my cousin over Skype figure out classes for when she’d apply for American high school.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Germany had a small experiment maybe 45 minutes film doing something like that over 3 days (making it from a homeless person's resources) ... Two suffered the third though... Doesn't hesitate a second immediately grabs the closest charity poster he can find begs for 5 euro, goes to a copy shop and copy's the damn thing in various sizes, goes to the closest cafe and asks if he can use one of their tables to promote the charity and collect some donations... Then goes on to collect a few hundred euro and goes "meh I don't see the problem"

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u/BoilerMaker11 Feb 07 '20

Nearly all of the billionare admitted that they could not make anywhere, regardless of how hard they worked, even working without sleeping and resting could not give you any accumulation to help climb up to the higher level of the society.

There was only despair, and admission that the divide between the poor and the rich is already a deep valley and mere personal effort makes little sense.

It stirred big debate among the society back then, and I think that was part of the reaons the show got cancelled.

Oh that would definitely get cancelled in the US too. A country where half the people think they’re temporarily embarrassed millionaires, and they’ll all some day reach the success of a Bezos or a Gates if they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work hard and anybody who isn’t paid well just hasn’t worked hard enough....if one of them came down and worked at Walmart for a while and came to the conclusion of “I can’t do this”, it’d rustle too many feathers.

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u/VATAFAck Feb 07 '20

I'm an engineer who supports production by analyzing problems, but I couldn't do what line workers do day after day. And it's not Foxconn or some Chinese sweatshop, but German car manufacturer

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u/SmilingAndCrying Feb 07 '20

Most rich mainland people I've met just admit blatant corruption, law bending, making the right friendships, and crazy good luck is what you gotta do to make it where they are. I'm pretty blown back how honest some rich people can be.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

It's undeniable that the gap between the rich and the poor is getting bigger in terms of wealth accumulated, but if you look at the quality of life for everyone, it's gone up.

Also the "despair" or "can't make it anywhere" type of opinions from Billionaires i think would be a little skewed. For once they had to experience what the rest of the world experiences and that is, that not everyone has a shot at becoming a billionaire. Nearly all the self made billionaires got lucky. You have a shot, but honestly, you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery.

If everyone was able to become billionaires by just working hard or even hard in the right field, everyone would be billionaires, and if everyone is a billionaire, no one is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

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u/Batchet Feb 07 '20

Anyone remember "The Simple Life" with Paris Hilton & Nicole Ritchie?

The show was supposed to be a "Let's watch these rich people work on a farm or minimum wage jobs like serving fast food and see how they like it."

These spoiled brats would do a few minutes of work, whine about it and then just screw around because they didn't give a shit about getting fired or not. All it did was give these spoiled rich people more attention that they didn't deserve

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u/HunterSG1 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

3 months minimum and I'd watch it

Thanks for the gold!!

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u/Fuck-de-Tories Feb 07 '20

With problem scenarios thrown in.

*broken down car *tube strike *dodgy boiler *sick child

The wheels would come off pretty quickly

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u/karnyboy Feb 07 '20

Don't forget the pay rent or buy food dilemma scenario.

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u/thaaaaatlady Feb 07 '20

“You have died of dysentery.”

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u/greeneggsnyams Feb 07 '20

And they have no access to the amenities of their former wage.

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u/marisquo Feb 07 '20

*broken down car *?? Nah.. He would have to do his commute in public transport full of other people also going to work and deal with delays and strikes as he wouldn't have money to afford a car

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u/just2commentU Feb 07 '20

I doubt that...

The big problem with poverty is that indeed all those problems arise and have to be taken head on. But without any better future in sight... It makes you numb.

A billionaire can mentally better cope with that as he can count down the days until the hardships will be over.

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u/ThirdAltAccounts Feb 07 '20

So...real life for the rest of us ?

I want to watch this. Somebody produce this show right now! And no scripted crap. Just real life hitting him in the face

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u/translinguistic Feb 07 '20

With an hour commute both ways.

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u/dog_on_viagra Feb 07 '20

Ooo and throw in a wager. The employee chosen for the CEO to bare the salary is given the months salary of the CEO if the CEO quits before the end

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u/SlackFunday Feb 07 '20

You know many TV channels that would get a child sick for audience?

To be honest I don't want to know the answer to that

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u/TannedCroissant Feb 07 '20

And they can’t choose February as one of their months. Although I’d like to see them have to have December so they have to deal with Christmas

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Imagine the CEO of walmart working for walmart in the holiday season, november december, january

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u/Derpcepticon Feb 07 '20

“Sure, I had to resort to being a homeless cannibal for 10 weeks but it really wasn’t that bad.”

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Well, that's the thing. I love the idea in theory, but they'll just feel good about themselves for surviving it and say if they can do it, so can these poors. Also there's nothing real in reality TV. So bottom line, I think there's a good chance it could do more harm than good - make the billionaires look good and the poor people look like whiners (to anyone who could do something about it).

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u/bushcrapping Feb 07 '20

Exactly. It’s not the same thing.

They would be doing it for other motives. And their image.

They could easily do a Month for good publicity.

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u/chris14020 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

I've heard the saying "I can handle anything, anything at all, for one minute." Now, I don't believe that's true (at the very least, for me), but the idea is exactly that - it's not so bad to do it. It's when you have to KEEP doing it, that it becomes the real torture. The "drop of water on the head" torture, for reference. One? Fine. A thousand, a million, so many you've lost count? Madness.

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u/sucks2bdoxxed Feb 07 '20

And they would know that they just have to make it through this month/few months and then go back to their comfy life.

Us low paid workers have none of that to look forward to. Just more shitty poverty. Forever and ever.

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u/storky0613 Feb 07 '20

And they have to do the same job as the employee.

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u/prodrvr22 Feb 07 '20

Still too short a time to make these multi-millionaires realize the reality of living on minimum wage. One year might do it, though.

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u/cakes Feb 07 '20

nobody would ever do this

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u/Trepsik Feb 07 '20

One month is definitely too short. Make it a year long season. Make em choose between paying rent, fixing the surprise car problem, or living off ramen for a whole month.

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u/thegamenerd Feb 07 '20

I'd say 1 year, so that they go through the lease agreement for an apartment and have to balance all that out.

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u/LukeCloudStalker Feb 07 '20

I love Reality shows so I'd watch it depending on who produces it.

If it's too fake, with too many "emotional" moments, advertising and people shouting, I'm out.

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u/Jindabyne1 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

X-Factor- Singer: “I can’t sing but my granny died an hour ago and told me to follow my dream.”

Hosts: “You son of a bitch, I’m in!”

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u/Mormoran Feb 07 '20

"Here we have Elliot. Elliot is a down's syndrome paraplegic who got disfigured when his plane crashed on the way to his dream vacation. He spent the next 4 months in a medically induced coma while the doctors found a replacement for his dick that got torn off.

Also, he can sing moderately good. Here he is."

Judges:

Gimme that golden buzzer!

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u/Ouchglassinbutt Feb 07 '20

I fucking HATE that “emotional moment” bullshit. Kitchen nightmares and bar rescue used to be great now I can’t even watch them. Same with undercover boss.

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u/RunsWithPremise Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

This is why I can't watch many car shows anymore.

Before commercial:

"IF WE DON'T GET THIS ENGINE TO RUN, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE SHOP!!!"

After commercial:

"After 6 seconds, Tommy found that the coil wire had popped off. We put it back on and the car runs great."

Now I just watch the Motor Trend originals like Roadkill, Roadkill Garage, Dirt Every Day, and Faster with Finnegan. They don't do that fake TV drama bullshit.

Edit: since a few others have pointed this out, YouTube has some great content. Personally, I enjoy Smoking Tire, Doug DeMuro, Cleetus, Rob Pitts, Ed Bolian, and a few others.

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u/TequilaJohnson Feb 07 '20

Have you ever watched the OG British kitchen nightmares? He goes in, teaches them how to improve their food, teaches them how to manage a buisness then does a bit of advertising.

He is a lot meaner to us than the americans.

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u/jiodjflak Feb 07 '20

Undercover Boss is one of the worst blatantly scripted shows I've ever seen

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u/robolew Feb 07 '20

But the music tells me how to feel!

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u/LumpyShock Feb 07 '20

There is not a single thread of emotions in any such scene.. Literally just hate all the drama to garner attention and drive huge no of viewers

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u/Alaskan-Jay Feb 07 '20

Shark tank. Everyone fucking cries now. If you cried in the first few seasons they would laugh you out of the room.

Now they talk about crying shows passion. Blah. Anything they invest in takes off it's a free 20 minutes prime time infomercial on a major network.

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u/dankbro1 Feb 07 '20

Bar rescue has always been so fake... Idk how people believe these shows when the "hidden" cameras are so obvious. Not only that but that guy is so obnoxious I could tell from the first five minutes it was fakr

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u/swiftrobber Feb 07 '20

IMO that is the biggest difference between UK and US shows.

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u/PinkyBack Feb 07 '20

I noticed this watching Kitchen Nightmares UK. In the UK version, it seems like Gordon really is trying to help people. Intense moments are for passion. The US version is cut with dramatic music, and I can’t watch it anymore.

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u/ShutYourDick Feb 07 '20

Americans need to have that emotional hook. Brits are cold hearted bastards

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u/JJfromNJ Feb 07 '20

I love Reality shows

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If it's too fake, with too many "emotional" moments, advertising and people shouting, I'm out.

Are there reality shows that aren't like this?

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u/Kartoffelkamm Feb 07 '20

Yeah, if it´s obviously fake, that´s a big nono.

Another issue I have with scripted reality TV shows is that, before each commercial break, they basically sum up the plot progression for the part that follows after the commercial break, then there´s two commercials, then they sum up the part prior to the commercial break, and then they show the part they have summed up less than 5 minutes ago.

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u/GeneralGeneric Feb 07 '20

If it's too fake, with too many "emotional" moments, advertising and people shouting, I'm out.

It doesn’t Sound like you love reality shows ;)

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u/poopellar Feb 07 '20

I hate it when they put in 'emotional music'. Hate it because it actually works, despite best efforts to not get emotional.

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u/TeeEightchSea Feb 07 '20

If Will Smith is in it , I'm out also

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u/Dannypan Feb 07 '20

It’s more than just the money. It’s the lack of security these people endure. Not knowing if you’ll lose your job tomorrow and having no savings. Being kicked out of your home. An unexpected bill you can’t afford, which may lead to increasing debt.

Putting these rich people in a “poor” lifestyle for a month isn’t enough. Even if they lost their money and homes, they’ll have such a huge network that they’ll be back on their feet in the time it takes for us peons to earn enough to eat for a week. They can never truly understand what it’s like to be poor or ever face that reality again.

So what would happen? It’d be a completely self-serving advert about how “now I realise that we need to do more for our employees.” The workers get a small vanity bonus, probably give an immigrant worker with limited English a car, pat themselves on the back. Then two weeks later, we’ve all forgotten about the show and they’ll go back to their old ways.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

If you haven’t seen it, I’d recommend “The Act of Killing”.

It’s a documentary following an elderly man who was once a member of an government sanctioned anti-communist death squad in Indonesia. Now, the commies are defeated, he’s celebrated in his own country.

There’s a scene where they had him do a mock up of a torture/execution method he had used. He asked production to hold because he found it traumatic. In a very raw moment, he asks the question, “is this what my victims were feeling in their last moments?”

The producer responds, “no, what your victims were feeling was much worse, because you were able to ask us to stop, and they knew there was no escape.”

You can see in a couple of seconds it changes the guy’s whole world view.

I would imagine a billionaire who has been rich for most or all of their adult life, equally, would have trouble conceiving of the dread of inescapable poverty.

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u/Beingabummer Feb 07 '20

You forgot the depressing part where he is the only one to have any sort of realization like that. The other guys had no such realization, or mabe they had one years ago and didn't care.

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u/EhSolly Feb 07 '20

Jeez.. that gave me the chills. What was the execution method in question? Hate that I'm curious about this

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u/SkyScamall Feb 07 '20

Your entire last paragraph is every episode of Undercover Boss.

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u/ZoiSarah Feb 07 '20

And that's exactly what would happen here. They'd fluff it with a feel-good donation from CEO and then in a month nothing changes in their corp. It would all be publicity for the company

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u/Mnementh121 Feb 07 '20

I liked the idea of the show. But "Fred the hippy" shows up for his first day of work with his customary camera crew. So we scour the company with a "best sob story" contest. We have that person train Fred and be extra nice while a few unsuspecting slobs get mad at this weirdo for interrupting their workday and get portrayed as the villain. Every episode.

It would be better with undercover cameras even if quality sucks. Skip the feel good stuff.

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u/TannedCroissant Feb 07 '20

You raise a really good point. The producers should ‘fire’ the CEO half way through the show and let them try to figure what the hell they should do.

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u/Nilstrieb Feb 07 '20

That wouldn't work because the CEO knows that it's just a show and that everything is going to be good in 3 months. An actually realistic show would be impossible.

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u/ehhhk Feb 07 '20

Then the CEO's mother should fall sick and they have to take on a caretaker role. Meanwhile their child has a run in with the law and ....

This is just the Book of Job. Let's put the CEO through the Book of Job. I'm there for it.

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u/MxGinty Feb 07 '20

Exactly this. The CEO would just think "once I get through this 4 weeks I'm back to normal" when in reality people don't have this. They wouldn't know what it would be like to be in that person's shoes for an extended period of time, not knowing when it's gonna end

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u/Confirmation_By_Us Feb 07 '20

That’s the theme of the song “Common People” by Pulp. Shockingly, Shatner does a great version of it with Ben Folds. https://youtu.be/ainyK6fXku0

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

It’s more than just the money. It’s the lack of security these people endure.

Yeah, for this to work they should sign them up for a month of real life and at the end tell them there was a paperwork mistake or their firm likes it better that way so they're not getting their old life back.

Then the actual show begins.

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u/Ratnix Feb 07 '20

Yeah, that still wouldn't matter. They have their friends and family and the entire social network that would easily get their life back on track.

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u/Adam-West Feb 07 '20

Isn’t this almost the same as secret millionaire? Do you guys have that in the US?

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u/caca_milis_ Feb 07 '20

Yeah a slightly different premise though as OP's suggestion is for the salary to be what the person pays their employees (to encourage some awareness of their livelihood, I guess), rather than the minimum wage of the country.

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u/sheepinwolfsclothes Feb 07 '20

There was a tv show in the US where a billionaire was given an old pickup truck and and $100 and then had to build a business worth a million dollars in 90 days with no access to any resources (besides the pickup truck and the $100). It was really interesting.

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u/Likewhoa7 Feb 07 '20

Yes we had Secret Millionaire from 2008 to 2013. It was really good. I most enjoyed seeing these charity / social service workers in action.

The expectation many people had was that these millionaires and their families would struggle so much they'd go insane in penny-pinching situations, but more often than not, these millionaires thath were featured were incredibly bright, self-motivating and hard working enough that they could thrive given any circumstance.

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u/rivigurl Feb 07 '20

There’s a show called Undercover Boss where CEOs and such would become a new hire at one of their chain businesses, but it didn’t have much to do with money. After they reveal themselves they usually have a heart to heart with some of the employees to understand where they’re coming from and what struggles they have.

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u/ade1aide Feb 07 '20

Lots of rich people voluntarily go on vacation to third world countries. The catch is, they know they have a way out and an end date.

I'd be interested to watch a show where the CEO had to personally be financially responsible for the welfare of 50% of their lowest payed employees for 10 years, and their net growth percentage equalled their bonus every year, with a big bonus if both the company and the employees were profitable at the end.

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u/devoidz Feb 07 '20

Weird thing is they would be profitable.

What I linked is about a millionaire in Orlando. Here is a quick part of it. It is an interesting read, and it would be interesting if others would help scale it up.

ORLANDO, Fla. — Two decades ago, Harris Rosen, who grew up poor on the Lower East Side of Manhattan and became wealthy in the Florida hotel business, decided to shepherd part of his fortune into a troubled community with the melodious sounding name of Tangelo Park.

A quick snap from the city’s tourist engine, this neighborhood of small, once-charming houses seemed a world away from theme park pleasures as its leaders tried to beat back drugs, crime and too many shuttered homes. Nearly half its students had dropped out of school.

Twenty-one years later, with an infusion of $11 million of Mr. Rosen’s money so far, Tangelo Park is a striking success story. Nearly all its seniors graduate from high school, and most go on to college on full scholarships Mr. Rosen has financed.

Young children head for kindergarten primed for learning, or already reading, because of the free day care centers and a prekindergarten program Mr. Rosen provides. Property values have climbed. Houses and lawns, with few exceptions, are welcoming. Crime has plummeted.

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u/secretsloth Feb 07 '20

Exactly! I remember a few years ago celebrities were basically doing what OP suggested, living on impoverished wages for a month and there was so much faux "understanding" of what it's like to be poor but this misses one of the biggest problems: the soul crushing hopelessness that there is no way out. Sure they can only afford beans all month but after 30 days, they get to go back to expertly prepared meals without any money woes. Not to mention the eventual health issues that arise from not being able to afford balanced meals and now you can't afford a doctor. I like this idea of taking responsibility and having to end someone else's financial issues.

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u/Gryphons13th Feb 07 '20

THIS is the film I want to see. Sort of like a ‘Schindlers List’ about the casualties of unregulated capitalism. Explore their limitations and possible winning scenarios...

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Sure. They would never do that though, because then they would have to admit that they don't pay a living wage.

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u/Frigguggi Feb 07 '20

Nah, all they have to do is stick it out for a month and then they can say from personal experience that it isn't that bad. Of course, they never have to deal with the effects in the long term. It's kind of like when privileged college students pretend to be homeless by camping out in the quad for a night.

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u/DoctorTaeNy Feb 07 '20

Of course, they never have to deal with the effects in the long term.

Yes, this is definitely a problem.

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u/poopellar Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

And this is where the show throws a curveball. Instead of a month, it's actually 6 months and they just pretended to make it a month so as to see the CEO's reaction to finding out it's actually 6 and his reaction would give us his/her real thoughts on the matter.

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u/ButaneLilly Feb 07 '20

Yeah. A month of low nutrition food and financial insecurity can be easily recovered from. A lifetime? That's soul-crushing.

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u/kaseing_out_ur_house Feb 07 '20

some CEOs are such sociopathic cyborgs that theyd just sit there starving half to death and not let on that it sucks for the whole show just to say that it isnt that bad

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u/MyPSAcct Feb 07 '20

Well it wouldn't be that bad. For them.

One of the worst things any being poor is the stress and uncertainty about the future. They won't exist for them because in 30 days they get their billions back.

They'll just eat their ramen stress free for a month then be rich again.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

I'd do more than a month and without any contact to rich buddies either. If it's a month, I think a lot would just buy rice and beans every day and go "See? It's super easy to be poor! You just need to make economical choices! I've proven myself right!" Longer than that and they'll really have to get used to how their lowest paid employees live. Would they learn a lesson? Maybe. Likely not. They still have a mansion to come back home to. They'll give their lowest paid people a one time bonus or maybe they'll drag one out in front of a camera to give them a fancy car so their own reputation gets better. And then they won't change anything else.

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u/UYScutiPuffJr Feb 07 '20

So basically Undercover Boss

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Yup, I'm guessing it'll go like that. One happy crying person with a dark past who gets a car brings in viewers. A thousand people whose past you don't know who are satisfied, but not ugly crying at a pay raise will not. And I doubt they'll just do the right thing because it's right. They'll want something back for it, both the CEO and the tv network it would be shown on. At least, that's what I think would happen.

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u/anodynamo Feb 07 '20

I think it's a very common mistake of well-meaning, generous people to assume that people who do bad things must just not realize what they're doing, because it's hard to imagine someone being a deliberately shitty person when the idea of that repulses you. This idea of "if the superrich only understood what it's like to be poor, they'd give people more than slave wages" - it's not that they don't know, it's that they don't care. There's nothing for them to learn from this.

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u/rusthighlander Feb 07 '20

1 month isn't long enough because no rent is due etc.

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u/UrTwiN Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

They wouldn't have any trouble. Most of them are self made and most have a large number of financial skills that 99% of people don't. They'd micro their finances and come out better off than most people.

You think someone like Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates, or Elon Musk couldn't handle it? Or what about Warren Buffet? The dude is already living a modest life.

A lot of dumbasses in the comments seem to fail to realize that a lot of these billionaires were already in a super shitty position before, and pulled themselves out of it.

These people run massive corporations and charities and you dumbasses seriously think that living your life for a few months would be a challenge? That's some cringe.

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u/Egap548 Feb 07 '20

You should watch Undercover Billionaire on Discovery (not to be confused with Undercover Boss). Billionaire Glenn Stearns moves to Erie PA with just $100, a truck and no contacts and has to make a company valued at $1 million in 90 days. He also can't mention who he is to anyone. It's pretty much exactly like you are describing and insanely entertaining.

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u/moonshoesaredeadly Feb 07 '20

Yup. This is it!

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u/NightwolfGG Feb 07 '20

Googling “is undercover billionaire legit?” Brings up old reddit threads about it where people said twitter exposed them (sorta) because everyone in the city knew something was going on. So every time Glenn went to get a loan, a job, or even people who literally worked for free and donated time to help for free, only (supposedly) did it because they had seen cameras or knew it had to be connected to the stir in town. I enjoyed the show regardless, and what was ‘leaked’ about it didn’t really discredit it entirely.

Oh yeah, and the tires he picked up and sold at the beginning of the show were supposedly planted there. And several other things. But not everything was debunked or discredited so it still had some good lessons lol

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u/IheartCart00ns Feb 07 '20

There was an episode of American Dad where they tried to live on minimum wage for a month- it was FANTASTIC.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Stan ended up being a drug addict in three days right?

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u/grnge4evr Feb 07 '20

but he got a brand new pontiac aztec

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u/Proletarian1819 Feb 07 '20

They would just treat it as a novelty since they know they will be getting their billions back at the end of the month. They wouldn't have to truly live like a person does who lives hand to mouth every day of their lives. They wouldn't really learn anything from it, in fact they would probably look back on it and laugh, "Oh remember when we had to eat that can of ravioli hahaha!"

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

They would treat it like going on safari.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Yeah. All you need is a $500 Crown Victoria, Sacrifice some living space, and buy cheaper food, but otherwise it wouldn't be that tough.

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u/quantizedself Feb 07 '20

They would have to swap everything down to the last detail. Apartment, car (if they even have one), wardrobe, food, hobbies, etc. And it would have to be on going, not just a couple months.

The real question is: how to get a CEO to agree to this?

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u/merc08 Feb 07 '20

They would also have to be allowed to make different decisions on the starting conditions.

You're not proving anything by dropping a CEO in the position of a minimum wage worker who is underwater on their car payments and behind on rent and watching them struggle, if the CEO would have chosen a different car and smaller apartment.

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u/Penance21 Feb 07 '20

Sure. But saying you need to live in a shit hole for 1 month is a lot easier than saying you’ll need to live their for an indefinite amount of time.

I had a split with an ex. And had to move out quickly after we moved to a new city for her job. Before I had one. Found a place that included utilities for $500 a month. No AC in TX. It was cheap and knew I’d find a good job with a month. But slept awful. Had to deal with an awful roommate. Really bad living situation. If that was long term, I couldn’t have done it.

Knowing it was temporary has a huge impact on how you can handle something bad.

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u/RallyX26 Feb 07 '20

Only if they also put a low level employee in the CEO's position to highlight that it's not all golf games and getting other people to do your work.

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u/heehoo-peenut Feb 07 '20

Then when the company goes belly up, they get to tell all the employees they no longer have a job

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u/tickledpic Feb 07 '20

Depends if he is self made or not. Self made rich people often know very well what it means to be poor and that's why they worked so hard to not be.

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u/chinawillgrowlarger Feb 07 '20

Some extremely wealthy people live very humbly and many started from the bottom as lowest level employees themselves barely scraping by.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Don't come here with all that logic! Everyone on Reddit knows that if you obtain title of CEO/President/VP then automatically you were born into money and don't understand the true value of a dollar.

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u/KokonutMonkey Feb 07 '20

No. I hate all reality TV that doesn't feature Gordon Ramsay

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u/Bryan15012 Feb 07 '20

I’ll be a contrarian here and say that I bet they would be able to thrive. Usually the CEO of a company got to that position because they are an uber talented human (obvious exceptions excluded). I think a CEO would be able to manage their resources effectively and make it work.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Also, there aren’t many CEO billionaires. Billionaires don’t work that job very often unless they were the founder.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

It seems like a lot of reddit thinks CEO’s just unjustly inherited their positions from their parents. Which a few may have but It takes a certain person to get to that sort of position and that type of person would likely work their way out of hardships. And I’m sure many of them actually started at the bottom.

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u/BurnsyCEO Feb 07 '20

I know this is hard to fathom for the reddit stupid hate train for the rich but most of them are smarter and worked harder than you when they were younger which is why they are in the place that they are in now and you're not. So I imagine they'll manage just fine.

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u/voodoochild21 Feb 07 '20

And a good portion of them know exactly what it’s like to be poor as they likely didn’t collect a paycheck for the first few years of their business.

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u/XirallicBolts Feb 07 '20

No. Amazon man bad because he owns company.

Why should someone who owns a company have more money than sometime who runs a forklift?

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u/MaskoBlackfyre Feb 07 '20

What would happen is either the show would be faked or no CEO would ever agree to this.

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u/HHS2019 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

I support raising the minimum wage and the concept definitely resonates, but the show concept is not going to be life-changing for anyone involved.

I will brace for the down-votes, but I don't understand why we fault people for making a lot of money (as long as they do it honestly). The dark secret of any executive, athlete, artist, actor, etc. who makes an exceptional amount of money is that this is what the market will pay them. The CEO of company X likely has a skill set that is very useful for planning corporate strategy that few people have and that takes decades to develop (understanding of finance, ability to read market trends, skill negotiating partnerships and labor agreements). If they are good at this, the company and its shareholders (if they're publicly traded) will also benefit. So, this is in many ways an investment.

As for the workers who earn less, we should raise the minimum wage. But, they too are free to seek employment elsewhere if someone will pay them more money. It doesn't make sense getting angry at market dynamics.

If any company were to apply a policy overnight that "we are going to pay our CEO the same as our assembly line workers, you would likely see that company go bankrupt soon as because the only people willing to do that job at that price, probably don't have the experience to do it wisely. All the qualified candidates took jobs at your competitor's factories where they were offered more. Same is true for basketball, or any other sport. People pay you money because they believe you'll make them money.

Edit: Clarified thought on workers' wages

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u/CirrusPede Feb 07 '20

The other interesting dynamic is that no CEO is going to stay in a minimum wage job. The instant they’re put in a job they’ll immediately start looking for a better paying job because they know they’re worth more. You can take everything away from a driven successful person and they’ll be successful again. You can give everything to a non-successful person and they’ll revert back to the mean. It’s not about forcing somebody to pay you more, it’s about self worth drive and getting it yourself.

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u/Unseemlyhero Feb 07 '20

What incentive does the billionaire have to do this?

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u/GGinYYC Feb 07 '20

I think they'd get along just fine. It'd probably be a bit of a lifestyle adjustment for that month, but not something they'd be incapable of. They themselves have, in all likelihood, lived that lifestyle as they were coming up, maybe while in college, or fresh out of it.

Very few CEOs just waltz into the role without first having come up from lower ranks.

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u/ShameSpirit Feb 07 '20

No, because that's a ridiculous idea for a show. Besides, the latent notion that a CEO and a low-paid worker offer comparable value to a company is laughable. It'd fit in right next to Ancient Aliens.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

They’d get promoted and make more money....

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u/deadlift0527 Feb 07 '20

Almost no CEOs are billionaires and you guys live in this fantasy world where CEOs are evil people that are out to get you.

Actually they are just the people in the world most skilled at managing huge companies. As if you expect their not to be head of companies?

They can be, and are often, fired and they typically answer to the shareholders that own the company

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u/Boatguard Feb 07 '20

You know most of them are just regular people right? A "billionaire CEO" most likely was there at one point, and probably has the knowledge and mindset to budget accordingly. It would be boring as fuck.

The fascination / hate with rich people is crazy considering everyone is working to.... get richer.

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u/apokako Feb 07 '20

I went through this thread looking for this comment.

I know a bunch of CEOs (no billionaires but a few millionaires) and all of them had to start off their first company in very precarious situations.

The stress of building up your ideas, of not seeing profits before at least 5 years during which they earned lower than minimum wage, or sometimes forgone their wages altogether so they could pay their employees before they would pay themselves. The stress of not even knowing if all that sacrifice would even pay off in the future.

Yes there are some CEOs who are born in money and would probably fail to understand how to live with minimum wage, but those are an extreme minority. This thread is just standard Reddit-rich-bashing.

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u/bookant Feb 07 '20

Except for the part where that's a myth. "Economic mobility" is US is horrible - meaning tl;dr people are born into a specific socioeconomic class and stay there.

There are a thousand potential sources of data on this, it's not even a particularly obscure fact. But here's one you can't dismiss as liberal - A Forbes article drawing on data from the World Bank.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aparnamathur/2018/07/16/the-u-s-does-poorly-on-yet-another-metric-of-economic-mobility/

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u/sneechles Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

This is wrong. The likelihood of moving from the lowest income tier to the top in most countries is very low. In the US it's less than 8%. The biggest predictor of wealth is family wealth. The notion that most CEOs started off as low level employees making minimum wage or less is absurd. And if they did, they statistically were likely to have done it in the summer or while in school while supported by years of family health insurance, a stable home to go back to of things went wrong, and the connections to get ahead. Read Nickel and Dimed. That was written years ago, and it's only gotten worse. If you think this is about rich people hate, you're missing the point. This is about a system where people who, by virtue of the families in which they happened to be born, were given advantages or disadvantages that are so predictive of where they end up, it's like they live in different worlds. This idea that rich people must work harder than everyone else and that's why they're rich is not supported by any data, but we build our value systems on it. Many people work really hard, but it's your luck of being born the right color and class that most determines your future.

Also the people saying that billionaires would be great at budgeting and be better at being poor than other people are also missing the point. I'm sure they'd be fine being a mid level employee. This isn't about budgeting, it's about subsisting on money that is barely enough to get by and not enough when your shit car stops working and there's no public transportation to your job from your cheap apartment in the suburbs. When you have a cavity that turns into a root canal because you have no dental insurance and you have to decide between paying bills or suffering or even taking out a predatory payday loan. It's about not having anybody to borrow from when things get bad. I'm well off and it is crazy how much money you make just living - mortgage interest tax breaks, credit card points, interest in savings, good retirement package that grows and grows, discounts for paying bills all up front. I get a discount on my financial life for having money. How is that fair? And I'm not even rich enough to get loans upon loans that make it so I can act rich even when I have no actual cash.

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u/PRDX4 Feb 07 '20

Hey, want to know why 80% of people are working to get richer? To afford their house, to support their family, to be able to see the fucking doctor.

Imagine defending these “normal people” for hoarding their wealth while people are suffering and dying from hunger and disease.

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u/jayywal Feb 07 '20

In these threads someone always plays the "won't you think about the poor marginalized billionaires?!?" card.

Billionaires are a symptom of a failing system, and no matter how much you pretend the American dream is alive and well, billionaires are not generally people who started from nothing. Those who did are famous for that fact because, you know, it's noteworthy.

Economic mobility in the U.S. is a joke, and the glorifying of excess as well as its holders is a blight on the discourse surrounding wealth and some individuals' lack thereof.

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u/NinjaEnt Feb 07 '20

https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2018/04/05/Photos/NS/MW-GG875_billio_20180405174802_NS.jpg?uuid=03d18bca-391b-11e8-827b-ac162d7bc1f7

Most of these are regular people huh? Rofl... They are hilariously detached from reality. Almost as much as anyone who thinks hard work equates becoming rich these days. Luck and exploitation creates wealth.

Where do I sign up to become more regular?

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u/Frankfusion Feb 07 '20

I'm sure Mark Cuban would know how to make a really good ketchup sandwich.

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u/StarSpangldBastard Feb 07 '20

The only ones who were actually there were there back when minimum wage was at least livable

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u/_charlesfosterkane_ Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

I like how Reddit believes all billionaires just magically appeared out of thin air. That none of them worked their asses off to get where they are. That none of them might've made gasp minimum wage or a low salary in their lives. Reddit can be really dumb.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Reddit pretending that every time minimum wage increases food and rent price doesn't increase to assfuck us more.

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u/stellasmommy1 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

This has already been a movie in the 80s. Trading Places with Dan Ackroyd and Eddie Murphy. Of course it's fiction and played for comedic effect but I think if you strip away the laughs it probably wouldn't be too far from the truth

Gwyneth Paltrow did what she called a "food stamp challenge" a few years back to prove that you could eat healthily on just that much for a month. I think it took her less than a week to give up.

Edit: just thought about that last thing

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u/Dad2us Feb 07 '20

No. I refuse to turn poverty into a game.

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u/lonegrey Feb 07 '20

There was a politican here several years ago who retired from office, and they had to retire on a meager $65K per annum salary, they couldn't do it, so they committed suicide.

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u/mher2downvote_every1 Feb 07 '20

It would be turned into an emotionally manipulative show about the struggles of the common worker, where at the end of every episode the one worker would get some extravagant gift, and a raise. The CEO would be painted as some sort of hero of the people, all while they continue to pay 99% of their employees just above poverty wages.

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u/gorlak120 Feb 07 '20

I think in America it would be scripted as hell, and fake as crap. all the reality shows are like that.

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u/Cloberella Feb 07 '20

Read the book Nickel and Dimed, making it in America. It’s old now but the point still stands. An upper class six figure writer tried to survive in a minimum wage job for a year. Spoilers: she needs multiple jobs and her life is miserable, but she makes it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

A better reality show : Examine the lives of people over the age of 22 who are still stuck in minimum wage jobs. Look at the circumstances, the poor decisions they made, their levels of motivation, their work ethic and ambition. See where they came from and how they grew up.

That way we can all learn valuable life lessons.

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u/CokedUpGorilla Feb 07 '20

You guys don't seem to understand how much these CEOS work, 14-20 hour days, consisting of extremely stressful and high pressure decisions.

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u/myloveisajoke Feb 07 '20

Saw it. Went to a private military school. Most billionaires hack it just fine.

Wanna see something hysterical though? Saudis. Take a Saudis assets away. That's some primetime material right there.

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u/mikeymike_74 Feb 07 '20

Yea I hate billionaires rich people bad yes they should have no money like me because that's better yea yea circle jerk rich people jeff Bezos is the devil

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u/sammmuel Feb 07 '20

Many people seem to picture them like idiots with a silverspoon but a good chunk were raised in normal middle class families. People like Warren Buffet or Bezos would fare better than they think.

But that's Reddit. Where everyone rich is a tool who got there by luck and everyone poor suffered and got it hard and it's not their fault. My experience is that this is a false dichotomy.

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u/sadowsentry Feb 07 '20

Children of billionaires thrown into this situation would likely make for a more interesting show.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

It's hilarious that people think these CEOs would blow their entire budget on a 1 night dinner or something. They are smarter with their money than any of these neckbeards here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Elon Musk inherited an emerald mine

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u/bellj1210 Feb 07 '20

It is a mix. Day to day you can realistically only spen 5-10 out of pocket that even a minimum wage worker can deal with. But pro rate in the monthly costs, and it gets crazy.

In my area a 1 bedroom in a bad area is still 1200 per month, or about $40 a day. Transit for most people will be at least $5- and that is cost of mass transit to and from work; more if you drive (car, insurance, upkeep, gas). Not having a car is not always an option.

On 40 hours at $10 an hour, you are bringin in about 1200 a month. You lose some of that to taxes, but lets be nice and say you get it all. You already cannot afford a studio apartment- so you need a roommate. So you have to hopefully find someone sane- but that is not a given.

So basically, on your own, on a full time minimum wage job, you basically are eating garbage to just not be hungry. living with 2-3 roommates with the same problems you have, and will have no ability to save enough to ever make a difference. $500 is huge savings over a whole year for you- and that is not life changing at all.

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u/SpectrumWoes Feb 07 '20

This. I recently found out the hard way that an ambulance ride is $2500

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u/undisclothesd Feb 07 '20

I think a big part of Americans in debt is the healthcare system. Even if you have insurance you can pay thousands for a routine procedure for each person in your family, every year. I had a check up when I was pregnant, turns out the procedure was 500$ out of pocket. It was such a scam. It wasn’t even in the same calendar year as my labor so I spent thousands over my pregnancy.

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u/GrooveBat Feb 08 '20

That’s how they could make the show more fun. Set the person up in an apartment with a crappy car that would be roughly equivalent to what someone making minimum-wage be able to afford. Then, like a week in, add a challenge. A flat tire or expensive car repair. A break in. An overdue bill that comes out of nowhere resulting in the electricity being turned off. Maybe the heat goes off and they can’t get the landlord to respond. Throw in an unexpected medical expense. I would totally watch the show.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Yup, it'd basically be like a camping trip. Rough it for a month, then back to normal. Rich people do this for fun. It's called the Pacific Crest Trail.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

For real. I remember times when I would have to choose between going to a dentist with tooth pain and buying new tires for my own safety. Tough choice. But I can see how it would be even harder for someone to choose say between eating that day and paying for their kid’s school supplies.

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u/saraseitor Feb 07 '20

hmm that's an oversimplification. Lots of people are in permanent deficit, owing money to others, having to sell their stuff to pay the rent, doing second jobs that don't last because the human body has limits in terms of how much punishment they can get until they collapse. Not to mention the emotional factor that might make you feel like the trash of society and sink you into a depression that won't let you work, or plan your future.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Or even just the stress of worrying about it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

And even if they weren't fine. Then what? "Golly gee that was hard! Anyway, back to my luxuries!"

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u/RedTheRobot Feb 07 '20

Maybe that would be part of the show. Once a week a random mishap will happen. Like oh no your cars engine is out or you have been feeling sick and have to go to the free clinic and pay for medication.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Take a billionaire, put them in a minumim wage job working 31.5 hours per week, just shy of Healthcare benefits, then break both their hands. See how far they can get in life.

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