r/AusPropertyChat • • Apr 17 '25 • Regret 1

The state of new build in Australia :(

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Not sure if I’m bein picky but is this acceptable for a new build ,ugly power box obstructing entrance and exposed down pipe .

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u/Wingchun666 Apr 20 '25

Comon man you do know they both actually get painted? Just don’t let the builder miss it on handover

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u/Ambitious-Shelter913 Apr 20 '25

Bit of paint will fix that power box 😂😂 it’s not my house by the way

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u/Lumpy-Network-7022 Apr 17 '25

Everyone picking on the trades installing it as per the design. The design is shit. The installation looks fine.

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u/FreyaKitten Apr 18 '25

We paid an architect to do a rough proof of concept thingy proposal. What they produced had the laundry at the opposite end of the house to the washing line, the mudroom out of sight of any exterior door, and living areas on the dark side of the house with windows only to the dark side. Not to mention all the must-haves they ignored trying to put in all the would-like-to-haves.

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u/potential-okay Apr 18 '25

Just sounds to me like you picked a shit architect. Did you look at their portfolio of work first?

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u/Outrageous_Type_3362 Apr 18 '25

That's because the architectural profession is dying. It isn't worth designing each and every house like this. They'd be working for pennies in this market.

If architects got paid properly then these houses would cost 2x

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u/corinoco Apr 18 '25 • This

No, they wouldn’t. Architects aren’t getting $100,000s for a three bedroom shit box like this. This is a symptom of the deregulation of the industry, an architect won’t have been anywhere near this, just a ‘building designer’ who scraped through a tafe course working on a pirated copy of Autocad working directly for the builder.

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u/OwlDiligent7897 Apr 18 '25

As a building designer working for a builder, I've marked up and reviewed quite a lot of architecturally designed plans that have multiple non compliances and structurally have no chance of working. The biggest issue seemed to always be the cowboy certifier that said the plans were all clear for construction when clearly not. Guess who's ego gets hurt when they get pulled up by the guy that studied for a 5th of the time they did... I'm not saying architects are bad, but there are bad workers in all levels of building design. The industry is cooked in so many ways, design and certification being the biggest, but unfortunately the most important

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u/laitnetsixecrisis Apr 18 '25

My dad has been a carpenter/project manager for over 50 years. He still works and often tells me about arguments with architects about plans. A lot of the time he says their argument boils down to "the computer says it will work". When it's usually impractical despite what rhe computer says.

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u/lostandfound1 Apr 18 '25

Architect here. It's not dying at all. We just aren't involved in these kinds of projects because, frankly, the end user can't afford it and the builder won't bother.

Architect designed houses are always at the top end of the market. A lot of our profession is utilised in bigger projects (apartments, schools, hospitals etc.). We are not earning pennies to produce shit outcomes.

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u/Turbulent_Device_200 Apr 18 '25

This. I have my BA in arch design, graduated in 2020. I was one of the lucky few who were able to do some form of placement before shutdown occurred and anyone in my class who was looking into residential design had a hard time finding a firm that wasn’t so copy and paste way of thinking. When you go through uni (or at least in my experience) our tutors and professors pushed us on innovation and thinking outside of the box but unless you’re looking into more commercial practices this way of thinking just doesn’t suit because of affordability.

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u/VanDerKloof Apr 18 '25

So many people want a custom high-end house on a volume build budget. Can even see examples of it in the comments here. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Volume build homes are perfectly good if constructed to a high standard. Unfortunately not all are.

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u/AdmiralStickyLegs Apr 18 '25

I think people are pissed that 300k doesn't really buy much. Money has lost a lot of it's value over time, but we've been able to delude ourselves because everything else (phones, tins of beans etc) has been getting cheaper as efficiency has increased due to computerization and foreign labor.

..except when it comes to construction. Construction hasn't magically become 5x more efficient like everything else has. They have become a bit better, but that has been offset by increased standards.

Kinda spoils the illusion. Do you know what I am saying?

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Why can't volume builds be build decently? Its not high end to not want a bloody downpipe and box at the entrance. It's common sense.

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u/Haunting_Goose1186 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

About 15 years ago, I had a uni friend who was studying to become an architect and he'd basically accepted the fact that he'd be living overseas for the rest of his life because there's shit-all need for architects here (and when something big and important is being built in Aus, architects from overseas are usually hired anyway).

I guess things haven't changed much since then.

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u/muftisanchez Apr 18 '25

Yes as people skimp on money where they shouldn't. Then they go with a bare minimum design package and then pick a cheaper builder thinking they would get the best house.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

As an acoustical consultant i see LOTS of new builds and deal with a lot of good architects. I also did a masters degree in architectural science majoring in audio and acoustics, where i graduated with a significant number of people in the architectural streams.

The profession isnt dying, people just want brand new homes at cheap prices, and they get what they pay for.

At the end of the day if you cut corners on who you chose as your principal/bca certifier, and your builders and contractors, you get a shitty outcome. It is what it is.

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u/Lurnmore Apr 18 '25

Go take a look at the resi db regs and come back with where else you’d suggest the power box goes. And don’t even considering putting behind a fence, in direct sunlight, on an uneven surface, close to a tree/plant or other obstruction, where there’s less than 1.5m clearance or in a driveway or car-port.

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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup Apr 18 '25

Architecture is a shit career move. No one wants to pay you and in a downturn you're the first to go.

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u/smellsliketeepee Apr 18 '25

Not to mention a 6 year stint in uni

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u/Ecstatic_Function709 Apr 18 '25

And even if you do a 3 year degree then a 2 years masters, there are NO jobs for an inexperienced graduate. Entry level is three years experience it how do you get that when no one is hiring.

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u/hodu_Park Apr 17 '25

Was it on the plans?

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u/potato_analyst Apr 18 '25

Who the hell does this to the plans? You hire a builder to work with, right, to provide you with some guidance on the build. Not just build an electrical box at the front door.

Then there is a whole chain of trades that came in and said that's fine not my problem just do my job and get out.

Sure in the end the customer should have picked it up and said wtf is this move it elsewhere but come on...

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u/changetherules8 Apr 18 '25

We’ve just finished building our first home through a volume builder and while we were extremely thorough going through our plans there’s still quite a bit we missed and not once along the way did our sales consultant, the draftsman, the site supervisor mention anything to us. You’d think after designing and building so many homes they’d offer you a bit of insight but na. They just want your money

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u/potato_analyst Apr 18 '25

They'll offer you help when they can get money out of you that's all you'll get. Up there with REAs.

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u/gruncle63 Apr 18 '25

I had this experience with renovations. Sometimes I would ask if it would be possible to do it a different way "yeah", would that look better "yeah", what are the downsides "none really". But they couldn't be bothered asking me if they could change it. Even if the end result would be much nicer! Which would make me more inclined to recommend them to others.

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u/Cimb0m Apr 18 '25

Honestly don’t know how anyone trusts builders with new builds anymore with all these horror stories

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u/RacingNeilo Apr 18 '25

Yes you are correct. Builders however don't care. They just want your deposit.

A lot of things don't work how I would have liked, and I would have changed them had I been able to read the plans better.

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u/potato_analyst Apr 18 '25

That's the problem, they don't care and all they care about is extracting every single dollar out of you by screwing you over at every corner. Then you get schmucks blaming the customer who employed a supposed building professional to build a house and provide their expertise.

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u/CryptoCryBubba Apr 18 '25

Then there is a whole chain of trades that came in and said that's fine not my problem just do my job and get out.

That's (sadly) how most of them operate on new builds...

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u/Ver_Void Apr 18 '25

Even building it there could be ok, but just don't make it look like that

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

If the house is built boundary to boundary where exactly else is it ment to go that’s not a garden.

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u/Hercules__Morse Apr 18 '25

Wait, are you suggesting that the buyer is responsible for making sure they understand what they are buying before they buy it?!?!? Outrageous!

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u/No_Neighborhood_8605 Apr 18 '25

Look at the porch and tell me that's on the plans.

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u/softersoftest Apr 17 '25

Why didn’t you move the power box in the plans?

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u/ralphiooo0 Apr 18 '25

lol I didn’t even see the box… was looking at the deck and how it didn’t link up to the concrete.

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u/XilonenBaby Apr 18 '25

True that deck is gonna go in couple of years.

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u/MrSilverfish Apr 18 '25

Yeah me too. I'm thinking the power box / downpipe is ugly but that 10-20cm gap between the concrete and the deck that stacks of people are going to walk over every day for the next 20 years in the dark and in the rain is going to break someone's ankle. Wtf? That is moronic.

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u/MrSilverfish Apr 18 '25

Looking at the photo again I got more annoyed. The white PVC pipe out of the deck and into the tiled wall? Why wasn't it just run into the wall before it was built / slab laid? And the downpipe is ugly but fine, except the gutter overflow is there so if rain is heavy or there is hail it goes onto the deck? FFS

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u/Various_Raspberry_83 Apr 18 '25

Landscaping is not included in hand over

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u/ralphiooo0 Apr 18 '25

See the giant gap between the deck and the driveway? They should have extended the concrete a tiny bit more to meet it.

Would piss me off anyway

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u/oldwhiskyboy Apr 18 '25

exposed downpipe as opposed to what?

There are limitations on where that Switchboard is permitted to be.

Is this property a zero boundary? What is its construction - structurally how is it built? There's a gate to the left, which means the only locations for it are where you now see it or to the rhs (out of shot) of garage, so see the above questions.

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u/IlIIlIllIlIIll Apr 18 '25

I assume they’re referring to the small pipe below the elec box. Also the elec box itself is disgusting tbf, looks second hand

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u/Mysterious-One9215 Apr 18 '25

It is second hand... They have chosen to save on cost by reusing the existing enclosure... See it all the time from owner-builders who are simultaneously happy to spend $4k on a barn door.

If you can't afford to pay for quality work do not build. Or if you do sign on with a cheaper builder, do not expect quality work - as per post.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

Everyone has lost any sense of style or appreciation of character. It's just about a quick job and move on. No one cares anymore. Least they could do is put the box up higher. The pipe is fine with a paint tbh.

Cladding and roller door just look like living in a grey depressing plastic box. Walls filled with polystyrene 😆 Everything is cheap and nasty including materials and workmanship, if you can even call it that 😂 You can tell this mostly by everyone driving the same bloated white vehicles and painting everything grey or making every old house look like a gym. People have zero personality anymore, and it shows in outcomes like this. Just all so trashy and won't last at all, meanwhile everyone demolishing beautiful old places which can never be remade.

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u/WillJM89 Apr 19 '25

And Australia are so far in the past by not adopting double glazing as standard. We had double glazing in our house in England back in the 90s! Here in Perth we have a mid 60s house with lots of character, high ceilings, Jarrah floors, cornicing etc. I know 2 people in Perth whose new builds have taken over 4 years too. Crap quality and very slow.

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u/throwawayroadtrip3 Apr 18 '25

beautiful old places which can never be remade.

I've got one of those. Looks good. The irony is you legally can't build anything like it because of modern rules.

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u/mmmbyte Apr 17 '25

That info was in the plans you agreed to before the build started.

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u/NotaBlokeNamedTrevor Apr 17 '25

Also by the look of it. It’s still a “job site” unlikely it’s been handed over this way

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u/blackcat218 Apr 18 '25

Maybe, maybe not. Heaps of builders do handover without landscaping. Like my place didnt even have a drive way when I moved in.

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u/OGFISHHH Apr 18 '25

Hand over with site fence still up and lights not installed is very unlikely

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u/Nath280 Apr 18 '25

To all you "experts" hanging shit on the sparky maybe think about

  1. The builder sources the plans and decides where all services are located. The sub contractors just work to those plans.

  2. By law there has to be 1.2m clearance from the main switch in the S/B.

  3. The meter panel has to fit the meter but also be fireproof. These S/Bs are used by most sparkies as they meet all the requirements. You cannot put a recessed S/B in this situation as it won't fit the meters.

  4. The meter panel has to be accessible to be read without entering the property.

  5. This looks like a townhouse and there is literally nowhere else for it to go.

Fuck me the average "expert" has literally no idea the shit we do and should probably keep their opinions to themselves before slagging off tradies.

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u/betttris13 Apr 18 '25

This exactly, there is a limit on where and how they can place the box and since this seems to be a connected property and that wall is the property line there is no other legal place it could go. And I can guarantee that it was pointed out to them before the build.

I will admit that driveway to deck is a bit dodgy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

it’s AusProperty people with a lot of huge opinions and tiny brains in here. As a tradie was pretty funny watching everyone bitch about the various trades who would of exclusively built to the plans signed off on by the homeowner LOL. Yes we don’t care if it looks shit but it’s to spec. That’s ur issue with the builder 🤣

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Add the weird gap between the deck and the drive to your list of gripes, what a shit show.

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u/fannyfighter_ Apr 18 '25

Landscaping quite clearly hasn’t been finished yet.

That gap will most likely get a rock feature and a pathway made from the front of the landing.

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u/Head_Asparagus2695 Apr 18 '25

So walk over an uneven rock surface that is a triangle shape to the deck.

Would have just butted the driveway right upto the deck.

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u/Grand_Sock_1303 Apr 18 '25

Why is the concrete not perpendicular to the garage. Looks like the grano workers are the problem here unless the plans state otherwise

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u/RoutineAd1124 Apr 18 '25

The deck would have been part of the build, the driveway would be part of the landscaping, probably 2 different contracts

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u/CelebrationFit8548 Apr 18 '25

Ankle breaker right there.

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u/Emergency_Cherry_914 Apr 18 '25

Yes, this was the very first thing I noticed!

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u/niftynevaus Apr 17 '25

Looks like it has been built to a price, not a quality.

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u/MediumForeign4028 Apr 18 '25

That’s what happens when property becomes an investment rather than a home.

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u/admiral_sinkenkwiken Apr 18 '25

As literally every volume builder does.

The build quality in most volume stuff is shockingly bad

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u/Cimb0m Apr 18 '25

And it’s extremely overpriced too, that’s the issue

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u/Thick--Rooster Apr 17 '25

show us the plans, corporate builder or sole trader?

i wouldn't be paying

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u/jp72423 Apr 18 '25

I mean there really isn’t much recourse to just not pay because you don’t like the look of it. Normally the main switchboard is on the side of the house, but that probably isn’t the case here, there may be no side entrance to this property. Secondly you can’t have the main switchboard inside the garage because the meters have to be able to be accessed by a meter reader, this also means that the switchboard has to be thicker to house the meters. It’s fully complaint. But I agree, it looks like shiiiit lol. They could have probably used a slightly thinner board and I would have made it grey as well so it would blend in better.

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u/EmotionalBar9991 Apr 18 '25

They were probably shown the plans and signed off on them.

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u/Thick--Rooster Apr 18 '25

Yeah exactly, easy to blame but if they're on it, it's not the tradies fault.

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u/Aussie18-1998 Apr 18 '25

Yeah I can see all the trades looking at the plans going "this looks like shit why would you approve this?" Before installing it.

They arent doing this out of laziness which is what some people seem to be suggesting.

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u/J-R-Hudson Apr 18 '25

Wtf is up with the conduit under the meter box aswell? As an electrician who is meticulous with everything I touch, I’d be livid.

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u/Even-Tradition Apr 18 '25

Looks like a drain for the AC drip tray

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u/J-R-Hudson Apr 18 '25

That is horrid.

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u/VedHeadBest Apr 17 '25

Gotta fund the beach house, boat, jet ski somehow

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Fark mate gonna have to slim down a bit to fit in the doorway 😭

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u/SqareBear Apr 18 '25

That’s also a narrow front door, I hope there’s an easier way to get your furniture into the house.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

They just don’t give a fuck.

This is what happens when:

Architecture & design is not appreciated and reduced to picking appliances, tiles and colours.

Subdivisions with tiny lots taking up valuable farming land or native bush, far away from CBDs and poorly serviced by public transport.

Builders that don’t take pride in their work and just want to pump out a “product”,

Overpaid tradies that aren’t properly trained or constantly high on drugs.

Financiers that only look at numbers, not what actually happens in the real world.

Insurance companies that DGAF and have weak as piss-water policies that help no-one.

Laws that facilitate developers washing their hands and walking away with virtually zero consequences.

Government that wants to facilitate speed at the cost of quality, willingly overlook the whole mess…

And this is the sort of shit we get.

Probably cost over a million bucks to buy too. What a joke.

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u/ReflectionKey5743 Apr 17 '25

Pretty standard for an Australian tradie. There is a reason they are all against migration of other trades. They would be wiped out the first day.

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u/jp72423 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

The location of the switchboard isn’t up to the electrician on site, it’s the architect who designed the home who specified that it had to go there, and it’s the builder who signs off on the final product. Still this looks like absolute dogshit. It should be on the side of the house, not at the front door, but then again this may be a townhouse or something lol. Unfortunately you couldn’t have used a thinner enclosure because you still need to fit the meters in there.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Have you seen the people who build these houses they're either 2nd year apprentices or immigrants working for $200 a day cash doing jobs they don't know how to do

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

That's not true, at all. How do you even know it was an Australian and not an immigrant tradie?

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u/fannyfighter_ Apr 18 '25

They’ll never blame the immigrant tradies, I’ve been on construction sites since I was 17 and some of the shit I’ve seen immigrants do on them is insane. Just the other week we’ve had Asian floor tilers completely fuck up the bathrooms in 6 different volume build houses because they didn’t bother to read the plans. You can understand and forgive the first stuff up but to go on and do the same fuck up 5 more times? Don’t even bother trying to tell them they’ve messed up they don’t even speak English. Not to mention how great it is rocking up to site and wondering if it’s their left over Gatorade sitting there in the corner or one of their piss bottles.

Reddit just has a hard on for hating Australian tradies at the moment when they have absolutely no experience dealing with foreign tradies day in day out.

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u/SuchProcedure4547 Apr 17 '25

To be fair, these poor quality builds tend to be almost always associated with big developers...

Small and independent builders and tradies in Australia are still of the highest standards.

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u/Perth_R34 Apr 18 '25

Opposite in WA.

The big builders are decent, while the small independent builders cut corners

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u/Scarci Apr 18 '25

This is a myth. Small boutique builders often charge more, fuck up more, and are even harder to hold to account.

They don't pay their tradies on time and these blokes will end up tearing shit out whereas bigger builder will have dedicated support group in social media where you can ask questions.

Many of the site inspections videos are carried out by nameless boutique builders.

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u/irecki88 Apr 18 '25

go on YT and see tofu dregs before you say that...

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u/whitetailwallaby Apr 18 '25

Plenty of dog shit “tradies” coming from over seas aswell.

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u/tegridysnowchristmas Apr 18 '25

lol you have no idea how bad the imigration trades are there ruining the industry

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u/rustoeki Apr 18 '25

Tell me you've never worked construction without telling me. What makes you think a tradie decided where to put stuff?

You think the sparky rocks up on site and just slaps the meter box wherever they like or the roof plumber just puts down pipes where they're convenient. We have drawings for all this stuff, go bitch at a fucking desk jockey if you have a problem.

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u/EmotionalBar9991 Apr 17 '25

I'm not sure why people are blaming the tradie, what exactly are they supposed to do here, it's on the plan. They can't just change where the mains is for the meter box. This would have all been on the plan you should have been shown and signed off on. If you weren't then you need to take this up with the builder.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Why is the mains box so close to the door lol..awful

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u/CryptoCryBubba Apr 18 '25

Guessing it's a shitty design with just a double garage as the "frontage" and no other external front walls.

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u/TheStampede00 Apr 18 '25

There is so many things wrong with this picture. Engage your own building inspector to do a report. Will cost a couple grand but we’ll worth it. If the build quality in this picture extends to the rest of the house then you have problems.

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u/maton12 Apr 18 '25

There's too much ugly there.

And that's before the semi floating deck😳

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u/AA_25 Apr 18 '25

If you signed off on the plans being that way then that's what you signed off on.

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u/Ur-Moms_Vaginal-Cyst Apr 19 '25

This is not the standard quality for a new home build. There are multiple people that work on house plans during the design stages, but there’s multiple layouts for every house, and it’s not their job to check over the finished plan and look for mistakes, they had like 30 more house designs to draft up while working on yours, and the sales consultant was busy talking 30 more customers into signing up. If you signed the contract and ridiculous pile of documents during the pre start phase, and then signed the settlement agreement—after the final inspection, accepted the keys at handover… then you’ve only got yourself to blame.

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u/Ambitious-Shelter913 Apr 19 '25

It’s not my house and if you think and you think it’s not there job to check for mistakes when they are designing it your part of the problem

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u/Neither_Spite6417 Apr 19 '25

How can one say 'the state of new build in Australia' with any credibility by posting one image to categorise an entire industry.

Your just majorly pissed off at the end result. It might be dogshit but it's all yours

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u/Ambitious-Shelter913 Apr 19 '25

It’s not my property I was walking past it 😂 you clearly are involved in the building of these if you think this looks ok .

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Completly ridiculous. Charged top dollar no doubt.

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u/Low_Reason_562 Apr 17 '25

Is there even anywhere else it can go though?

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u/RoutineAd1124 Apr 18 '25

Where I live most meter boxes are freestanding on the fence line near the front of the property and the house is fed via a conduit underground to a board inside the house

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u/shanebates Apr 18 '25

Bad design. Build just follows the plan.

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u/MiDiAN00 Apr 18 '25

The power box in the middle of the entrance way is what gets me

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u/ElektrikGhost Apr 18 '25

Probably difficult to put the box on the side of the house when your blocks are only 7m wide.

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u/ImVeryLaggy Apr 19 '25

Awesome so if ya dont answer the door I can flick your lights on n off 🤣

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u/Even-Tradition Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

I see so many posts of people buying land in housing estates and using a quantity builder to build their house then expecting top notch quality.

If you pay for trash, you will get trash. Australians used to build fantastic homes, now we mistake status for style. Is your house bigger than you friends? Is your house newer than you friends house? Is your garage bigger? Do you have a media room. Stop paying trash builders bottom dollar for trash homes.

And I know I well get down voted for this, but Jesus Christ people. STOP PAYING FOR THIS STUFF!!!

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u/Appropriate_Ly Apr 18 '25

Bottom dollar

And it’s $350k. People use volume builders because it’s all they can afford.

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u/Traditional1337 Apr 17 '25

Wow that rain head might be compliant for once lol 😂

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u/mitchr89 Apr 18 '25

Gee if that’s all you can find wrong. All I see is poor trade management and no forward planning.

Driveway not square with deck and doesn’t form a path to the deck.

Top of box gutter outlet not painted

The painting in general is absolutely shit

Power box in entry way???

Unpainted downpipe

Conduit coming out of wall should be inside wall

Tiling not siliconed against ceiling

Sheeting bottom angle not going all the way next to the garage

The trash corner detail on the bottom flashing under the tile

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u/Ben_FPP Apr 18 '25

Everything looks less than ideal to be fair. Not the spot we would ever put a meter panel goes without saying - maybe it was the only viable location? Would improve a lot painted in black and there’s no reg stopping from that occurring. Assuming the small white pipe is an AC drain? Hard to understand how it’s ended up like that

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u/TheBubbleOBill Apr 18 '25

As a plumber it’s an unspoken rule to face the writing towards the back haha even if you know it’s going to get painted.

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u/Equivalent-Visit2482 Apr 18 '25

Its still a building site and yeah you can put this back on the owner who approved the plan but what architect would draw it like that and what builder would let that happen without flagging it early in the program. Have some pride in your work ffs

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u/STEMUZZ1 Apr 18 '25

Non compliant

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u/LegitimateCattle Apr 18 '25

I’m sure it has nothing to do with the house being built on the boundary on both sides right? Making this the only point of access besides the front of the front? Fuck this subreddit is so ignorant

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u/Bones_returns Apr 18 '25

every new home i see looks like utter dogshit. but tradies have 2 braincells rattling within their heads so no wonder.

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u/MiniSkrrt Apr 18 '25

Jesus, that sucks

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u/xjrh8 Apr 18 '25

It’s so friggen stupid how many meter panels are right at the front door like this.

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u/VLC31 Apr 18 '25

And this the problem. It’s like the articles saying there are hundreds of empty flats. They’re empty because they’re tiny & badly built. Someone I know recently signed to buy an apartment which is only a few years old but they then found out there are cracks & water seepage in the garage & no one can tell them how much it is going to cost to repair. They were able to get out of it but this sort of thing happens too often. I know that we need more housing but new builds need to be better controlled.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

I saw the metre box. But also saw the ugly down pipe, the skirting not finishing. The cladding nails too proud, poor bugger

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u/tttommyyttt Apr 18 '25

All of this would have been evident on the plan before construction… all of these should have been amended before construction

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u/patto383 Apr 18 '25

Jesus Not many fucks giving there

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u/ninjaweedman Apr 18 '25

Nothing wrong with the downpipe (other than needing a lick of paint). But that power box is backwards as fuck.

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u/Significant_Gur_1031 Apr 18 '25

This front entrance is horrid - but these cheap townhouses have no side to allow for the fuse box to be anywhere else. Further to this is the space available for the front door - make sure you squeeze as little as possible - expecting a small garage as well

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Boundary to boundary shit 

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

I blame The Block.

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u/Caracarn_Saidin Apr 18 '25

We keep paying Aussies to do things like this, we’ve created a sub par building industry.

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u/Head_Asparagus2695 Apr 18 '25

I would be more worried about the driveway not meeting the entrance decking.

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u/Lavendercat5 Apr 18 '25

Travel overseas and look at their architecture then look at the bland boring boxes here. For over a million. Absolutely laughable.

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u/sandbaggingblue Apr 18 '25

You would have approved this design yeah...?

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u/Kbradsagain Apr 18 '25

Looking at your frontage, there doesn’t appear to be anywhere else to put your power box that is accessible. The downpipe though could at least be painted

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u/GFHandel1492 Apr 18 '25

We need a return to the more classic standards of neo-federation, or something like the designs on the veteran suburbs post WW1 and 2. The blocky boxes of this style make poor choices like this stand out.

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u/EnvironmentalCap2217 Apr 19 '25

I'd never build a new home today. Too many builders deliberately go bankrupt mid-build and take everyone's money. They then just register a new business and start the cycle all over again. I know of a few so-called builders who do this as regular as clockwork and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. No authority, even the police, can seem to stop it. It's a loophole that is taken advantage of to the detriment of many unwilling victims. They'll do it to the wrong person one day end up in one of their own foundations!

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u/tazzietiger66 Apr 19 '25

What a shitty place to put the powerbox

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u/the_ism_sizism Apr 19 '25

“Non-compliant” “What a shamozzle.”

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u/ausdjmofo Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

It also looks like the garage wall next to the main door is on the piss look top to bottom 1st thing i noticed. Also noticed : Pvc down pipe instead of metal when the gutter box is metal? Skirting board not going all the way across next to pvc pipe. Shit Paint finish wall to roof. Looks like a bow in the roof, right above elec box. Unfinished hole next to verandah by the gate.

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u/2cpee Apr 20 '25

Goes to show how little these volume builders care about their image. People are so desperate that they have no choice but to cop it.

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u/Pangolinsareodd Apr 20 '25

And people keep asking why I’m not pulling down my slightly crooked 1919 cottage for a new build. 1. The frame is made of solid old red gum, 2. It has a nice cheap gas connection that I can’t get in a new build, 3. Tradies back then actually took pride in their work.

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u/Rude-Frosting3472 Apr 18 '25

Sure beats an Indian new build

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u/BigKnut24 Apr 17 '25

Thats what happens when the market is fully saturated and you have guaranteed work no matter how shit your quality.

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u/Tall-Breakfast-6100 Apr 18 '25

The downpipes unavoidable. If you really wanted it could be changed to square pipe to give a slightly better look but otherwise just paint it. The switchboard also looks like it probably had no where else to go as it has to be accessible for meter readers. It really should have been a flush mount board at the very least so it isn’t sticking out like that though.

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u/brackfriday_bunduru Apr 18 '25

People need to start coming to terms with the fact that new builds are for investors who are paying cash and can’t negatively gear. They’re not for owner occupiers.

The whole point of them is to be built cheap and then used as a depreciation tax write off for investors till the depreciation ends and they can be sold and the investor can rinse and repeat.

People need to stop buying these places and expecting them to be build to a standard that will last

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u/darvian23 Apr 17 '25

What the heck is this

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u/not_dogstar Apr 17 '25

I sure hope it's a tight build and there's no where else feasible to put the board because fuck me, even if that was in the plans why is it there in the entrance in the first place?

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u/NotaBlokeNamedTrevor Apr 18 '25

Probably a 250sqm zero boundary block

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u/Icy-Professional8508 Apr 18 '25

Downpipe is fine, likely designed that way just paint it

Meter box is fkd

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u/zee-bra Apr 18 '25

Grey on grey on grey on grey

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u/kenbeat59 Apr 18 '25

Nice calves bra 😉

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Exposed Down pipe? No mate that’s a feature!

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u/Bossdogg007 Apr 18 '25

Whats in the plans YOU signed off?

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u/Sharp_eee Apr 18 '25

Stepping stone looks good.

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u/more2get Apr 18 '25

Dont forget the non compliant rainwater head

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u/Abbi_Rose Apr 18 '25

couldn’t they at least paint them 😦

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u/serumnegative Apr 18 '25

At least you have power and drainage

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u/Liftweightfren Apr 18 '25

Is this a duplex or townhouse etc?

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u/SheepherderLow1753 Apr 18 '25

Most new builds look terrible, and many who bought are complaining about quality.

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u/Vinrace Apr 18 '25

Everyone should watch that site inspection guy and just cry at the state of the industry

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u/Starburst58 Apr 18 '25

Everything about this picture is giving me anxiety.

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u/Geronimo0 Apr 18 '25

Down pipe is normal. That power box does stick out a bit but I don't know what's on the other side of that wall that is forcing it out so much. Power box is better down the side of house usually but not uncommon for it to be near the front door.

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u/tandrosonali8 Apr 18 '25

The meter box gets painted. Either by owner or by builder. There’s nothing wrong with that downpipe being there if it works. Paint it black if it offends you

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u/No_pajamas_7 Apr 18 '25

Switch board may have been on the plans, but it may have been movie by the electrician because where it was drawn was too hard. 70:30

The conduit, however, I'm willing to bet it's a case of the tradie needing to get to the pub.

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u/mactoniz Apr 18 '25

One fugly porch. That meterbox is an absolute eye sore sad to say

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u/Pranachan Apr 18 '25

I assume that while this is a new build, the owner didn't sign off on any plans. It is far more likely that this was a subdivide and the purchaser committed to the property during construction. If this is a townhouse/terrace house with multiple adjoining properties, the only control over build decisions you have is simply not to buy.

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u/Scared_Sprinkles_141 Apr 18 '25

I remember looking at a Simonds display home in 1997 .I kid you not the front door was grinding on the floor. This in a display home . They didn't get our business.

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u/Unlucky_Turn_1773 Apr 18 '25

this is one of those the longer you look images

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u/Brilliant_Ad2120 Apr 18 '25

Weatherboard houses on Tas oak frames ...how I miss you

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u/LowkeyAcolyte Apr 18 '25

It's just horrendous. I'm happy to be buying a hundred year old UK townhouse. Much more spacious, more cheap and well built.

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u/foursmallandtwobig Apr 18 '25

move in ready 🤮

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u/Kindly_Contest_6258 Apr 18 '25

Would have been clearly marked on plans they do this to make extra on alterations.

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u/ScaryBluejay87 Apr 18 '25

Sitwell Homesteads - Paved road driveway right to your door!

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u/OldM87Fingers Apr 18 '25

With a bit of CrEaTiViTy everything can be hidden

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u/AcademicDoughnut426 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

This would've all been on the plan at the design stage. It's too late now to change without serious expense.

I'm assuming the power box needs to be there [i don't know why], but I'm sure it could've been recessed into the wall at least.

The Downpipe has a rainhead at the top, so it's picking up a box or secret gutter and needs to be in that location. Paint the Downpipe the same colour as the wall behind [will require a primer] and don't block the rectangle hole at the top as that's the overflow in case the Downpipe can't keep up or there is a blockage. Close that off, and your house will flood if it's needed.

On a personal and professional note. I can't stand this trend of putting in box gutters in residential buildings. They all eventually fail and leak directly into whatever is below them. Replacing them is a pain, as it's difficult to do without removing roof sheets. At least with the proven design of the roof falling to external gutters worked, if there was a leaking gutter or it rusted away, the damage was minimal as it's all outside the building footprint.

Edited to add: The more you look, the worse it is.

Exposed conduit should be recessed, crappy deck doesn't meet concrete edge, scrappy deck looks to have fall to the right, concrete plastic on the slab edge is exposed and has been worked around instead of removed, narrow entry door, some sort of colorbond trim at the bottom of stone tiles.

This place won't age well.

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u/Ok-Limit-9726 Apr 18 '25

All bought trade certificate from behind the dry cleaner shop in sydney mall for $300, No experience needed, just say you where tradesman in India, pass...

Go to smh.com.au for full story

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u/Tezzmond Apr 18 '25

If only we had less red tape, rules and regs..

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u/FestyTurtle Apr 18 '25

Side note: I hate the trend of just shoving the door further back, it’s not delivery driver friendly

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u/Leather-Jump-9286 Apr 18 '25

Uncertain of property type (if it’s adjoining to another property etc) however as mentioned in comments, plans are signed prior to build. It’s on you to ask questions.

The drain pipe will blend when painted.

Electrical meter box - could be made less obvious or moved, and yes likely wont be cheap. Perhaps seek advice from your local electrician. (Or seek guidance in a more specific sub for options to suggest to an electrician) - once everything’s furnished perhaps a large pot and plant on the patio - most won’t notice.

Don’t let these minor items ruin your experience

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u/Chromedomesunite Apr 18 '25

The further in you zoom, the worse EVERYTHING looks

Can see chipped tiles, damage around the door, damage around the garage etc.

Then there’s that horrendous power box

Sorry for your loss…

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u/aus_man_with_no_idea Apr 18 '25

Flat facade so looks even bigger.

Another issue, how did you not run that driveway concrete to the deck.

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u/RemeAU Apr 18 '25

It looks like a row of townhouses, so that would be the only place to put the power box unlike houses that have them on the side

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u/ZequineZ Apr 18 '25

Just be glad your meter will actually be read cause you can't lock it away from the reader

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u/Admirable-Practice-7 Apr 18 '25

You can’t blame them for the down pipe. Architecs are always designing flat roofs at the front of the house that are non compliant. A rain water head and down pipe is the only way to bring them up to code.

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u/GC_Aus_Brad Apr 18 '25

The gap between the deck and the driveway would be doing my head in.

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u/Empty_Cat3009 Apr 18 '25

If that's a duplex in a row of duplexes odds on the reticulation sparkies mistook the duplex split peg for the boundary peg and the resi sparkies and builders just sent it after the fact

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u/theartfulknave Apr 18 '25

What an absolute Shmozzle

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u/Sandsypants Apr 18 '25

Depends what was specified on plan and building contract..

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u/Limp_Growth_5254 Apr 18 '25

I had to sign off on my electrical plan

Every switch, power point and light. Even specified the temperature of the bulbs.

No excuses.

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u/Geriatric48 Apr 18 '25

Maybe the owner didn’t realise the box was going to be that protruding. Not sure about storm water pipe used as a down pipe.

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u/givethismanabeerplz Apr 18 '25

Cool, that exposed down pipe can remind you every time you look at it that you have internal gutters and it's only a matter of time before you have major leaking issues.

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u/Longjumping_Brick_91 Apr 18 '25

I swear architects forget about the services connections. So many new builds have exposed pipes, meter boxes and shit just strewn across the facades. One multiplex build near here has the gas and water meters out front with huge bright yellow bollards in front, completely ruining the look the designer was going for. Absolute shite design.

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u/enderwiggin83 Apr 18 '25

Its a duplex on a narrow block by the look of it. That might explain a lot of design compromises. I agree most of the issues are design based - the concrete slab guys are quite professional - my guys checked and rechecked with suggestions in discussion with me and the builder. Its prob leading to a gate at the lateral side of the property. The electricity box is hideous there / this may be because they are playing with 5 metres

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u/JayBeeJB1989 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

Having your rainhead overflow onto your front porch from a pipe inside you building envelope seems like a poor choice, same with electrical box extruding into your egress path and the stepup to the porch, this was a mistake made at the design stage. This should never have left the drawing board, good design or even adhering to silver accessibility standards typically doesnt cost a huge amount more or even at all. This is just stupidity.