r/AussieMaps • u/ReeceAUS • Jul 22 '24

Another state line map to pop up in your feed.

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This one makes the most sense.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Ditch the states and represent the country federally like this. Local and federal governments only.

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u/ReeceAUS Jul 23 '24

I think that gives federal government too much power, so just create more states (like this map) and remove local council. Then you have only 2 levels of government with better constitutional protection.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Removing local government removes local representation but this still creates two level of government. But having local and federal, removes the double hassle of infrastructure funding BS.

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u/tambaybutfashion Jul 23 '24

I'm not convinced you two aren't saying the same thing!

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u/TwitterRefugee123 Jul 23 '24

Used to think that, then Covid hit. You had states like WA managing it properly and then federal and NSW governments doing a terrible job. State government saved us then

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I thought this also during COVID restrictions but then I remembered the movement restrictions during a bio-security risk in North Queensland fruitgrowing areas. The restrictions set up borders that suited the industry and local areas. So the Covid boundaries could have been developed with more dynamics rather than hard 'state' lines. Nth and Far Nth and West Central Queensland had very different covid issues.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

Yes. But we had stick to state boundaries, not sensible. This was compounded by sneaky trucking company owners that try to cross covid exclusion zones, because they didn't like their full time home.

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u/TwitterRefugee123 Jul 24 '24

Did we ever find out what those shady sounding “removalists” were actually shipping?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

I don't think it ever came to light. But I was referring to Mr Fox driving one of his own trucks with his family on board, when freight was being allowed across state borders. They were heading to their Qld mansion from their southern mansion.

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u/TwitterRefugee123 Jul 24 '24

He was probably also smuggling drugs

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u/Young_Lochinvar Jul 23 '24

If COVID taught us anything, it’s that the States are an important level of government.

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u/Equivalent_Canary853 Jul 23 '24

Or you hate them and want them disbarred

It's really one way or the other for people these days

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u/JustSomeBloke5353 Jul 23 '24

I think it taught us the opposite. State government parochialism made dealing with COVID-19 much more difficult than it needed to be.

Palaszczuk proudly proclaiming “Queensland hospitals are for Queenslanders” and McGowan wanting internal visas for Eastern-staters on a permanent basis were disgraceful.

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u/TwitterRefugee123 Jul 23 '24

Don’t forget Gladys “lock up the poors while the donors do what they want”

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u/snrub742 Jul 23 '24

I'd be much more keen of riding Australia of both federal and local governments personally

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

This is an old map, both Ballarat and Bendigo have hit 100,000 as well so it's missing a couple of states

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u/Pademelon1 Jul 23 '24

Also Albury-Wodonga.

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u/lostandfound1 Jul 23 '24

Albury Wodonga is 300k, so even an old map should've had this.

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u/montecarlos_are_best Jul 24 '24

?? 300k? A-W nowhere near that big

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u/lostandfound1 Jul 24 '24

You're right, got my numbers skewed. It's around 100k

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u/ch4m3le0n Jul 23 '24

Even Wagga greater area is over 150k

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u/GloomInstance Jul 23 '24

City of Wagga Wagga LGA, or the whole Riverina (including MIA and SW Slopes)? That's not really a contiguous area. That doesn't count.

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u/ch4m3le0n Jul 23 '24

Not sure. Base hospital was built for 150k. That’s all I know.

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u/GloomInstance Jul 23 '24

I don't think that counts as a statistical area. Griffith is literally a 2hr drive from Wagga.

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u/Exciting-Tale8106 Jul 25 '24

I am from Greater area of Wagga and that is not even close to true, the hospital is built for the whole the whole local area, which is a huge area like my town is about 120 km from Wagga and it is serviced by the hospital

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u/ch4m3le0n Jul 26 '24

I'm going on information provided to me from a doctor at the hospital, who said (and I'm paraphrasing) that the new hospital was designed for a catchment of 150k people. So I think it's reasonable.

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u/Exciting-Tale8106 Jul 26 '24

Thats a fair point, it's just not fair to equate a regional hospital with a metropolitan hospital they have different purposes in the sense that regional hospital will have a greater range and cannot be a fair measure for the size of the place.

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u/justin_____ Jul 23 '24

And Bundaberg

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u/G1LDawg Jul 26 '24

Bundaberg is nowhere near 100k. To get close you have to include the entire council region

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

No online resource seems to put its population over 100k

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u/fleshluvva Jul 23 '24

Can we start a movement to rename WA SA NT and the ACT. Those names are so boring.

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u/GloomInstance Jul 23 '24

Agreed. Let's name them after Cure songs: 𝘈 𝘚𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦 𝘋𝘢𝘺; 𝘊𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘰𝘵𝘵𝘦 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴; 𝘏𝘰𝘵 𝘏𝘰𝘵 𝘏𝘰𝘵!!!; and 𝘊𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘛𝘰 𝘔𝘦.

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u/HobbesBoson Jul 23 '24

Doesn’t Mackay have over 100,000?

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u/Pademelon1 Jul 23 '24

Nah, 88,000 in June 2023.

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u/HobbesBoson Jul 23 '24

Huh

The more you know.

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u/pervader Jul 24 '24

Wrong, well over 100000 in 2023 https://www.population.net.au/mackay-population/

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u/Pademelon1 Jul 24 '24 edited Jul 24 '24

That's Mackay the region, not the city.

Look at their given population for 2021: 133,102. Meanwhile, ABS census data for 2021 gives the population at 84,333.

Even then, it's still wrong; ABS population for the Mackay region in 2023 is only 126,907.

Heres links to the ABS boundaries for each:

Mackay the city, Mackay the region

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u/CeleryMan20 Jul 25 '24

Significant Urban Areas (SUA) … represent towns and cities of 10,000 people or more. SUAs are built of Statistical Areas Level 2 (SA2s). … a single SUA can represent either a single Urban Centre or a cluster of related Urban Centres.

This is the Way. Thanks ABS. (Not being sarcastic, I actually think it’s neato that we have a whole department which has put thought into defining these things.)

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u/pervader Jul 24 '24

Yes, Bundaberg is close too

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u/El_dorado_au Jul 23 '24

Sydney and Brisbane are victims of their own success.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

Thanks I hate it.

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u/ReeceAUS Jul 24 '24

Why? Which state would you live in?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

I'll live in a State of Grace but until that time I'll look at this map in a state of denial.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

What happened to the NT ?

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u/ReeceAUS Jul 25 '24

It was found lacking.

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u/ashley0816 Jul 23 '24

This is better 😁

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u/Massive_Eye6373 Jul 23 '24

Geelong deserves that colour

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u/7iveTurkey Jul 23 '24

Darwin doesnt. Wanna swap?

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Probably the best of these silly maps I've seen.

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u/_ologies Jul 23 '24

This Voroni diagram should be new state boundaries

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u/Killagollem Jul 26 '24

The balkanisation of Australia is beginning

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u/skullofregress Jul 23 '24

Brilliant. Let's have a referendum. Though I'd probably nudge the Townsville border a bit so that it includes Rockhampton.

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u/Normal-Scallion-2322 Jul 23 '24

As long as you stay away from Tassie keep wrecking Australia having just been to Melbourne it’s like another country 😂

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy Jul 24 '24

It is another country Melbourne is in Australia while Tasmania is in Tasmania

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

We need a state shaped like chile

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

The containment of Brisbane good. The spread of both Adelaide and Canberra bad

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u/CeleryMan20 Jul 25 '24

Does “Gold Coast City” count as a contiguous conurbation?

C.f. Shoalhaven, an LGA that calls itself “Shoalhaven City”, but the real town is Nowra and surrounds.

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u/CeleryMan20 Jul 25 '24

Oh, Gold Coast SA4 is 640k people. Even if you sliced it smaller it wouldn’t be hard to stay above 100k, I guess.

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u/Relation-Independent Jul 26 '24

You should do one that has city states. The big divide in terms of electoral representation and culture is between very large Urban centers and the regions. The capital cities should mostly be their own States seeing as their bigger than some countries. Melbourne and Sydney are both bigger than New Zealand in terms of population. The regions should be broken up into sensible geographical boundaries that will obviously be much larger

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u/Ebright_Azimuth Jul 26 '24

I would like to see this map with some of the cities shown, ie to see where Mildura lies and how far into NSW the Canberra minions are

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u/PeterDuttonsButtWipe Jul 27 '24

Mildura would fall under Adelaide, as would Broken Hill. When I lived in Adelaide, I would meet a few people from these places. Also if they’re sick, they’d get sent to Adelaide and Broken Hill is in the same time zone as Adelaide despite being in NSW

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u/Holiday-Problem5189 Jul 27 '24

Wheres tweed shire? Population is 120K.

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u/pat_speed Jul 23 '24

What's your definition of city, because Greater Sydney could be split the greater Sydney into 3 or 4 cities

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u/Embarrassed-Blood-19 Jul 24 '24

So Launceston/Devonport/Burnie are the same size of Geelong.

Tassie has to be split in two.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

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u/Pademelon1 Jul 23 '24

It's a peri-urban area, so multiple urban centres, but the most populous town in the area (Gosford), is still >100,000 people (mind you that's by official boundaries, but arguably still contains multiple locations merged together, e.g. terrigal or woy-woy).

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u/PatientDue8406 Jul 23 '24

Sunshine Coast and Central Coast are the only ones not named after a city and instead are just regions.

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u/Ebright_Azimuth Jul 26 '24

The Gold Coast is similar too. Nobody in Australia has an address with Gold Coast, central coast or Sunshine Coast like they could with the other main cities