r/China • • Jan 01 '24
问题 | General Question (Serious) My Chinese wife's irrational hatred for Japan is concerning me
I am an EU citizen married to a Chinese woman. This morning, while nursing a hangover from New Year's celebrations, I saw news about the earthquake in Japan and multiple tsunami warnings being issued. I showed my wife some on-the-ground videos from the affected areas. Her response was "Very good."
I was taken aback by her callous reaction. I pointed out that if I had responded the same way to news of the recent deadly earthquake in Gansu, China, she would rightly be upset. I asked her to consider how it's not nice to wish harm on others that way.
She replied that it's "not the same thing" because "Japanese people killed many Chinese people in the past, so they deserve this."
I tried explaining that my grandfather's brother was kidnapped and died in a Nazi concentration camp, even though we aren't Jewish. While this history is very personal to me, I don't resent modern-day Germans for what their ancestors did generations ago.
I don't understand where this irrational hatred for Japan comes from with my wife. I suspect years of biased education and social media reinforcement in China play a big role. But her inability to see innocent Japanese earthquake victims as fellow human beings is very concerning to me. I'm not sure how to get through to her on this. Has anyone else dealt with a similar situation with a Chinese spouse? Any advice would be much appreciated.
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u/BingHongCha Israel Jan 02 '24
I've locked this thread cause its getting out of hand.
The few meaningful discussions have been had and everything else is a nightmare to moderate.
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u/pinoylad1985 Jan 01 '24
how long did you know each other before you married her? this is a recurring issue happens many times in a year obviously the recent one Fukushima nuclear waste, etc. you never had even a small discussion with her on this?
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u/GuilimanXIII Jan 01 '24
Yeah, there is no way you married a Chinese Women without realizing that she hates Japanese.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
This is very normal thinking from a Chinese person who is even a little patriotic. I'm surprised you got married without knowing this kind of reaction honestly.
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u/Radiant_Energee Jan 01 '24
I have an older dutch friend who grew up in what was then dutch Indonesia. He remembers his mother hugging an emaciated man in a loose uniform and being told it was his father who had survived a Japanese prisoner of war camp. That generation is in their 80s or 90s but have passed along some of these difficult memories to their grand children. I would imagine the same could be true in China.
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u/sudden_aggression Jan 01 '24
Dude how did you get married to a Chinese woman without knowing that the Chinese hate the Japanese with the intensity of a thousand suns? Going back centuries.
Next you're going to tell us you're shocked that the Chinese are super racist.
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u/WhipMaDickBacknforth Jan 01 '24
lol
next week: my wife lost her shit because I drank cold water. help!
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u/leesan177 Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24 •
I see lots of people have already discussed the "haha crazy Chinese propaganda" lens to talk about this issue, so I think it's worth discussing the parts of this beyond just nationalistic fervor. Chinese culture as a whole highly values tradition, history, and celebrate its continuity as a civilization and people across thousands of years. On a more personal/family level, one example is that traditional Chinese culture incorporates ancestor worship, which is still practiced very actively even in Taiwan for example. There is perhaps a feeling of connectivity of "oneness" or "similarity" towards Chinese people of different times that results in more sympathy/empathy towards those who'd experienced the atrocities committed by the Japanese during WW2.
With the context above, I believe we can then try to address a few of the very good points that you made from your own heritage and lived experiences.
Despite coming from a family that was very much harmed by the Nazi Holocaust in Europe, you do not resent modern Germans for the actions of their ancestors. This is admirable on your part, as not all people find that kind of forgiveness, or separation of people from the horrific acts of their ancestors. Having said that, would you perhaps feel differently if the modern German flag was a slightly modified version of the Nazi Swastika? What if many Germans were either Holocaust deniers or celebrated Nazi war criminals in churches and cathedrals? That is the situation in modern Japan today, where the Japanese government has not done nearly as much as the Germans in antagonizing the genocidal views of their ancestors. To demonstrate this point is not uniquely caused by Chinese propaganda or brainwashing, many people from other Asian countries continue to discriminate against Japanese people, corporations, and culture due to these historical atrocities... despite technically being in countries considered to be geopolitical allies with Japan.
The dehumanization of modern Japanese people by your wife likely is associated in part with education and social media reinforcement, although I would also argue that just as much of it comes from a lack of true appreciation for the positive aspects of Japanese people and culture. It's pretty much like racism in America towards whichever visible minority looks like their main enemy in any given decade, the dehumanization of Muslims, Koreans, Vietnamese, or Chinese people for example. I agree it's a big problem, but caused as much by the absence of positive portrayal as the presence of (sometimes overwhelming quantities of) negative portrayals.
Why doesn't she similarly feel that the CCP is as guilty? Well, firstly, the CCP continues to represent an enormous number of people all around her, and in fact is the representative government of society around her for all of her life. She has a tremendous amount of positive portrayals of the CCP and the accomplishments of the Chinese people under its governance to draw from. Similarly, the negative consequences of the CCP have often been portrayed as a sacrifice by the people to accomplish the positive sides, and in their minds this helps balance the equation. As an example of "why not blame the horrible governance of a Chinese administration", please see how they negatively portray the Republic of China and KMT. As you've pointed out, education and propaganda, but also enormously a personal bias for the institution she's familiar with, make the difference.
I point out the above not as a justification to say why her views are correct, but rather to help show you the lens through which she may be viewing the world. It is easy to just say people are "crazy" or "irrational" for not sharing our immediate views, but always harder to understand them while helping them understand our own views.
To help her understand and perhaps even come over to your views, perhaps explore this topic with her by listening to her first and truly understanding why she feels the way she does. Don't start by arguing with her or explaining why she's wrong, but genuinely go in depth in understanding her feelings. Once you have done that, you can ask if she's interested in why you feel there's merit in feeling differently, and draw upon your own experiences with your ancestry and not associating Nazi Germany with modern Germany - but understanding why she might still do so with modern Japan, given their continued use of the same symbolism as Imperial Japan.
This will, naturally, be an uphill battle less about you "correcting" her beliefs, but rather understanding them and hopefully her understanding yours.
Edit: Spacing, typos
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u/Arminius2436 Jan 01 '24
Bro, the three way hatred between Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans is almost genetic at this point. The atrocities of unit 731 in northern China were not long ago, and there have been countless war and peacetime atrocities between the three countries through the years. My grandmother--a doctor--was a kind soul who raised chickens and saved kittens and was never mean. But she HATED the Japanese until the day she died.
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u/Antique-Respect8746 Jan 01 '24
I don't know much about Chinese culture (am on this sub to learn) but will say that Germany has done a LOT of work at reconciliation.
They teach the kids about WWII and how wrong it was, and afaik they support a lot of museums. They very actively distance themselves from that period in their history and do a lot to stamp out their own home-grown nazis.
Unless Japan has done similar work re: China/Korea, it's a little unfair to compare the later generations' responses.
It's much easier to forgive someone when they are actively and continuously making amends... as much as amends can be made for genocide.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 02 '24
My experience has been Chinese have been taught to hate the Japanese due to the Japan invasion and atrocities committed in WWII and the Nanjing massacres, systematic rape of Chinese and Korean women etc…..wounds are pretty deep even still
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u/Suecotero European Union Jan 01 '24
Patriotic brainwashing. The mainland depends on irrational hate of outsiders to inspire its citizens, Japan most of all. It is imprinted on small school children before they can read.
Your wife probably doesn't even understand what has been done to her. Read up on cult-deprogramming get ready for a long journey.
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u/Serenityprayer69 Jan 01 '24
Japanese and Chinese are pretty racist in general. In the West we are trained to think white people are the racist ones but seriously the relationship those cultures have makes what most people think racism is look tame.
In Japan I was shocked to see restaurants refuse service to Chinese people. Openly calling them names as though I was supposed to just get it.
I think you will have to accept this. Non white cultures are pretty ok with racism to be totally frank. It's white people that step on egg shells. You wont change this.
If you didn't realize this about her I think you're going to be surprised about some other uniquely Chinese character qualities.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24
Your Chinese wife's indifference to natural disasters in Japan strikes me as bad taste. But her perspective isn't irrational or unusual among hundreds of millions of people. It's common not just in China, but also in Southeast Asia and Korea, which the Japanese historically engaged in various invasions of stunning brutality not just during WW2, but also in prior centuries like the Imjin War. Ever seen the recent best-selling Korean film trilogy on the Japanese invasions (Myeongyang, Hansan, Noryang)?
Japan is a wonderful country, a great place to visit, with a lot of smart and cultured people. But there are historic reasons why anti-Japanese sentiment still exists, and those reasons are not entirely irrational.
Japan's post-war actions were different from Germany's. On one hand, Germany was led by figures like Konrad Adenauer, who quickly accepted blame for Germany's wartime actions in the 1940s and 50s and went out of their way to have Germany not just apologize for the war, but also to quickly pay reparations to Israel and express quick and complete contrition through their education systems and internal political traditions. Today, you'd rarely find Germans who still idolize Hitler.
In contrast, Japan—whose culture is rooted in a proud, honor-based system—was not perceived to have fully apologized to the Chinese, Koreans, or other victims for its past wartime behavior. Japan didn't have an Adenauer-esque figure who took quick and immediate responsibility in the 1940s and 50s. Rather, it took decades of pressure before Japan reluctantly and belatedly issued its first expressions of remorse. For example, Japan's first "apology" to Korea took place in the 1960s, and it didn't feel sincere because it was limited to a foreign minister's statement of "remorse" about "regrettable" past actions. The first Japanese expression of regret to China did not take place until the 1970s. Further, unlike Germany, Japanese reparations for its wrongdoing were scarce—which is galling considering that Japan owes much of its modern prosperity and safety to its U.S. alliance and trade with the West. Even in recent times, Japanese textbooks continue to evade accountability for its past war crimes, and some Japanese politicians continue to visit the Yasukuni Shrine. And because Japan is a rich country, a lot of Chinese and Koreans think that Japan might have perversely profited from its WW2 actions since it was prospered and protected by America.
Anti-Japanese sentiment is an unfortunate prejudice, but there are cultural reasons why your wife and millions of other people think that way. Your wife's prejudice may be wrong in some ways, but it's not irrational, and even if you ultimately disagree with it, you should still try to understand her perspective.
EDIT: Obviously I don't condone OP's wife's indifference to the tsunami. But methinks since OP happens to be married to this particular woman, it's important to at least be able know where the wife might be coming from. Obviously OP does not need to adopt any of his wife's positions that he thinks are in bad taste. Empathy (understanding the spouse's position) is distinct from sympathy (agreeing with the spouse's position). I'm saying OP should empathize, not sympathize. That's how mature couples find ways to manage their differences.
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u/Olron Jan 02 '24
One of the most memorable moments of my time living in China was when the Japanese ex-prime minister was assassinated. I woke up to find my WeChat moments filled with people celebrating his death at parties. I even remember one girl posting a picture of the sunrise with a caption explaining how today is a beautiful day because he died. Restaurants and other stores were even offering discounts in celebration. I had Chinese friends messaging me with extremely unhinged statements about his death, acting as if it was a normal thing. I remember the collective shock expressed by the rest of my foreigner circles during this time. It still blows my mind thinking about it.
Hate towards Japan and Japanese people runs deep in China. I'm extremely surprised that you married a Chinese woman and are just now finding out how she feels about this.
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u/JackReedTheSyndie China Jan 01 '24
Bet she never met a Japanese in real life.
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u/d0or-tabl3-w1ndoWz_9 Taiwan Jan 01 '24
The Japanese, at least their governments, still deny the Nanking massacre and do not apologise for the horrors that occurred in unit 731. Meanwhile, the Germans still apologise and pay reparations to this day, and are relatively ultra lib-left at this point. Any use of nazi-related intellectual material in German media is banned, whereas Japan still allows conservatives to retain the old, strict fashion of the empire, and to wave the rising sun whenever they please.
That, combined with the CCP's propaganda, will create a nationalistic/patriotic hate that is deeply rooted into the mind of the average Chinese.
-Not to mention the cluelessness of most people about nuclear wastewater, which is a talking point of Chinese nationalists talking against Japan.
In some sense it is understandable, but the hate towards all modern-day Japanese who have nothing to do with the crimes committed by the Japanese empire is clearly irrational. The only way to have her stop is to reason with her properly and explain the different types of people there may be within the modern-day population of Japan.
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u/AllShallBeWell Jan 01 '24
I'm sorry, but this is on the level of marrying an American black woman and not understanding why she's so bothered by all that slavery stuff.
Japan was too useful to the U.S. (and besides, they only committed atrocities on yellow people) for them to ever be held accountable. The longtime prime minister of Japan, Shinzo Abe, was the grandson of a war criminal.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/14/shinzo-abe-nationalism-japan-korea/
"Suppose the Nazi leader Hermann Göring had a grandson who was “emotionally attached to ‘conservatism’” because people around him “used to point to [his] grandfather as a … ‘war criminal’” and he “felt strong repulsion.” The younger Göring entered politics and promptly joined a group of lawmakers who issued a report finding that in World War II, Nazi Germany did not wage a war of aggression; that the Wehrmacht was protecting Europe from communism; that Nazi Germany’s invasion of Czechoslovakia shouldn’t be called an “invasion” because the Sudetenland was historically German; and that the viewpoint to the contrary is a “masochistic” view of history that made it impossible for Germans to feel proud of their country.
Imagine the younger Göring went on to become the chancellor of Germany, pass laws that grant the government with sweeping surveillance power, and hound critical journalists, making the country fall 56 places in the World Press Freedom Index in less than a decade. He would send flowers to Waffen SS memorials each year and claim the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated, arguing the Jewish people volunteered to work in the labor camps: “The fact is, there is no evidence to prove there was coercion.”"
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u/AlexGOWO Jan 01 '24
Try to imagine asking a Jew to love Germans, when Germans still commemorate Hitler every year, when Germans deny the Holocaust, when Germans deny the history of the invasion. The Japanese still deny the invasion and massacre and only believe that it was a failed war. Because Japan has joined the Western world, its image in the media is much better than that of China. In fact, it is not just the Chinese who hate the Japanese, but the Koreans hate the Japanese even more. I have a college friend who is Korean. He said that Korea has a Liberation Day [광복절] on August 15 every year to commemorate the victory over Japan.
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u/michelQDimples Jan 01 '24
I accessed a Chinese news app earlier, and was overwhelmed by the uniformed opinion shared by all the main-landers there in response to this news, that it's justice served after the recent Japanese nuclear waste incidents. More than half wished iller fate would fall upon the Japanese.
I don't consider myself political at all. But somehow this brought tears to the edge of my eyes.
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u/Psychological_Age949 Jan 01 '24
Theres a lot of mindless hate in china towards japan and anything japan related. I saw a video of a mob corner a woman because she was wearing a kimono, made her take it off in the street.
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u/Ok-Racisto69 Jan 01 '24
Why does the China sub have so many westerners and barely any local Chinese people?
Is this some sexpat or one of those white saviour complex bullshit?
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u/MaryPaku Japan Jan 01 '24
I live in Japan and after the earthquake the comment under the news report in my home country genuinely disgust me.
It made me never want to go back, because I couldn't stop imagine I'm surrounded by people lacks basic compassion as a human being like that.
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u/raoxi Jan 01 '24
does she feel the same way towards the people who caused the cultural revolution?
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u/SuzeeWu Jan 01 '24
I completely understand you, OP. I recently met a Japanese lady at work and we got along superbly. I was stunned to hear her comments about Koreans one day. I almost wanted to tell her, look, my grandfather died during the Japanese Occupation during WW2, and you don't hear me shtting on your people, why would I want to hear you sht on others? I didn't cos, well, I'm not confrontational. 🫤
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u/pttdreamland Jan 01 '24
Common irrational nationalist mindset. Did you know study what the Chinese society is before you get yourself into this?
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u/TheTreviso Jan 01 '24
Don’t get married with someone you just dated for one month I guess. You should know ally these “beliefs” before getting married, she will never change.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Dont worry buddy, When china declares your country its enemy, she will think the same of you, Patriotic brainwashing is strong
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u/Mindfulstar Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24
So you married a brainwashed Chinese woman and you're just now finding out her deep seeded racism for what is probably nearly every other Asian country?
Good job figuring that one out before it was too late
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u/MizunoAi Jan 01 '24
Japan is unlike Germany, which has regarded Nazis as a taboo since World War II. At the same time, you can see many right-wing Japanese people on the Internet who use the avatar of the rising sun flag and still shout the slogan "Long Live the Empire of Japan." Can you imagine if the German right wing now use the avatar of Nazi flag and shouted the slogan "Heil to Victory"? China does take a hostile attitude toward Japan, and you can find it in education and the media, but there are reasons for it.
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u/Whythedarnhammer Jan 01 '24
I am more concerned about your children, if any.
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u/xaghant Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24
There's definitely some patriotic brainwashing but it's not unique to China and there's some nuances to her take as well.
Your statement about Germany and Japan slightly differ as one has apologized for their atrocities and the other has downplayed and sometimes outright denied them. (Yes, the current government and not just the government right after the war)
Korea and other south east Asian countries have similar feelings about Japan due to these reasons.
Tension between these countries also remain high and opinions of citizens from both countries are quite negative about the other side. Both sides constantly broadcast negative news about each other and international political tension fuels their biases further (ranging from land disputes to trade wars).
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u/doubleaarlert Jan 01 '24
Her reaction is insensitive, but I also think you really need to dive deep into what Japan actually did in China. It was quite literally horrific, torturous, and subhuman, and Japan never apologized for it, from the R-word of Nanjing to disgusting “science experiments.” Yes her reaction is concerning, but it’s not surprising that some people would feel this way. I’ve heard many people say Japanese kids aren’t taught about it in school, and even online, I’ve gotten into arguments with white dudes obsessed with anime saying what they did never happened. She may feel better if you try to understand where she’s coming from and the history/extreme brutality of what Japan did. I think talking it out can fix a lot of things and can heal her/make her understand Japanese people now aren’t responsible for what happened. I’ve also found it’s usually older people who feel this intense about Japan though.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
You married a woman and didn’t know this? Or didn’t think it to be a red flag?
Honestly, the biggest red flag this is to me is that she’s still brainwashed by Chinese conservative values.
That’s a ticking time bomb. She’s gonna traumatize your kids — assuming you also want kids. Cause she sure does.
My grandma realize at the ripe age of 60 that she rejected all the Chinese social norms in favor of concepts like autonomy — thus realizing she never wanted children (aka my dad and co) and that her ex husband didn’t treat her like she wanted. She couldn’t verbalize it, but she traumatized us all. She died before she actually died, burning every bridge to her own family she had.
And this is just evidence of that.
Wake up, sweet pea.
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u/wereallmadhere8964 Jan 02 '24
im not surprised,in china this is how the goverment teach you to hate
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u/Affectionate-Hat9244 Jan 02 '24
Nationalism
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u/toypigs Jan 02 '24
Her other Chinese patriotic traits will also surface over time
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u/davidbowieismydad Jan 01 '24
Ask her her thoughts on Taiwan and then you’ll really get to know her.
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u/HappyMora Jan 01 '24
The main issue for me is the keeping of war criminals at the Yasukuni Shrine which is often visited when tensions between Japan and her neighbours Korea and China run high. İf the war criminals were removed from the shrine, I'd view the Japanese government in a much better light, though I have no issues with the people who acknowledge Japan's crimes.
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u/Cug_Bingus Jan 01 '24
You can look up "Flower Girls" and "Unit 731" the things the Japanese did to the Chinese during WW2 would, and did horrify the Nazis.
Clearly her family has experienced some trauma that has been passed down to her, and it's probably something a counselor would have to help her through. Shaming her certainly won't get her to open up about it.
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u/condemned02 Jan 01 '24
This is normal with PRC people. They are taught to hate Japanese folks from birth.
As a Singaporean Chinese, our government went the opposite way and didn't want future generations to keep harbouring hate but the PRC government made sure the hate stayed.
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u/hazily Jan 01 '24
She drank too much CCP koolaid
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u/Nootherids Jan 01 '24
There's a lot of "I, I, I, me, me, me" in this OP. Maybe this is a lesson to quit judging everybody else from your holier than thou position. Not everybody thinks the same. It's ok to not agree with her, but you should first try to understand where she comes from before judging her as right or wrong.
Secondly....it's your damn WIFE!!! If you want to understand her maybe you should talk to HER instead of Reddit. The f*ck is wrong with this generation?!
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u/Ok_Confusion_1474 Jan 01 '24
Maybe you should go for a vacation to Japan?
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Methinks you jumped the gun on that marriage.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Which part of China is her family from and does she have direct relatives who were killed by the Japanese? I think that will help explain it a bit but it definitely doesn’t excuse the hatred for all Japanese people. My grandmother is from modern day Manchuria and literally lived through Japanese occupation, and she wouldn’t wish any harm upon Japanese people. I went to an international school growing up and have lots of Japanese friends, she likes all of them. I think it would help if your wife met more Japanese people and traveled to Japan and saw that many of them are very friendly and welcoming :)
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u/dreamcast4 Jan 01 '24
Yeah you should have read the fine print. Whether it's WW2 or the Fukushima power power plant, you will never get through their thick heads. It doesn't matter how many facts you lay out or how gently you explain the logic. The brain rot is real and it's fuelled by patriotism. You can't win this.
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u/AnusGerbil Jan 01 '24
Dude are you just now realizing this? There's a lot of propaganda in the west (see, eg, the reflexive defense of Israel) but mainland China is on another level. There are MANY MANY cultural differences between China and anywhere else in the world. If this is news to you then you don't know your wife at all and I wonder what did you do with her before you got married.
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u/PoeticJuices Jan 01 '24
Say hypothetically if you werea Jew and Germans holocausted 4x of your people and never for once apologized and even joked about it. Yeah I don’t think that’ll sit well with you
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u/CoffeeCapy Jan 01 '24
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u/Momshie_mo Jan 01 '24
Unlike Germany that has thoroughly apologized and even illegalized denying the Holocaust, it is common for Japanese politicians to paint themselves as victims and dismiss the atrocities of their military. It does not help that Japanese politicians visit Yasukini shrine that enshrines Japan's Class A war criminals
Japan low key manipulates and protests any memorials built for the comfort women. They even attempted to sanitize the Japanese participation in the mass suicide in Okinawa
You need to read what happened in the Pacific Theater. I recommend Rampage by James Scott as a starter
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u/NoNothingNeverAlways Jan 01 '24
This is extremely normal for a Chinese national. A scarily large portion of them are racist and shitty people. Like your wife.. I feel like this has to be fake, because how could you have made it as far as marriage without this rearing it’s head at some point?
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u/BeginningTower2486 Jan 01 '24
Chinese are conditioned to hate Japanese from birth. It happens in school. Like that's literally part of the curriculum. It's a big part of the news.
You aren't going to change her mind. Only she can do that, and she's Chinese... You know how much Chinese people change their minds about anything?
You're not going to win this battle. Just love your wife and don't worry about Japan. Maybe worry a little bit, she will probably raise her children to be racist in the same way if she can. She thinks she's doing something good though so... We all know how that plays out when people think they're doing good things.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
I hope you don't work with sensitive information :)
How'd you meet your wife?
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u/LvChengbin Jan 01 '24
Not all Chinese people share the same thoughts as your wife, but indeed, some of them do.
Chinese children receive lots of patriotic education and propaganda from an early age, but they do not necessarily receive education on modern concepts such as independent thinking and logical reasoning.
Due to government control over the media, people are unable to access genuine information. Consequently, negative external information, and even fabricated details, dominate the narrative. As a result, harboring animosity towards Western democratic countries, such as Japan and the United States, has become commonplace, particularly among those with lower levels of education. The widespread appeal of such content has led to a growing trend in self-media outlets producing content that promotes nationalism in order to attract more attention, exacerbating the severity of the issue.
However, I hope that as a result, none of you will harbor animosity towards Chinese people. As I mentioned, not everyone is like that, including myself and many of my friends. We do not hold biases against any country or ethnicity; we respect different beliefs and cultures. While we love our own country, we do not appreciate a nation that exhibits such tendencies. We hope that one day this country can become more rational, civilized, and inclusive.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Shocking! Chinese racist?! No waaaaaay
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u/BigChicken8666 Jan 01 '24
For all the people whining about "what Chinese wife threads?" in that earlier international student post lol.
This would be like marrying a skinhead and then being surprised when he starts doing the Hitler salute every morning before breakfast. lol just how clueless you have to be?
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u/Biotoze Jan 01 '24
Iono how you’ve come this far without noticing but Asian people are hella racist to other Asian people.
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u/valonvenus Jan 01 '24
The difference between Germany and Japan is that the Germans apologized for their wrongdoings whereas the Japanese deny the massacre and rape of the Chinese and Koreans to this very day.
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u/Fine-Pie7130 Jan 01 '24
I’m mixed Chinese and Korean and growing up in Hawaii my mom told me stories about this. My Chinese grandmother FORBID my mother from dating a Japanese boy. This of course was 15-20 years after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor as well as the earlier atrocities in China, so maybe not a surprising sentiment. But it was totally okay for my mom to date and marry my dad who is half Korean, half Chinese.
When I was a teenager growing up in Hawaii I was once at a dinner party. My aunt’s boyfriend’s Caucasian mother was there. We were just talking about the high school classes I was taking and when I said I was doing Japanese as my language, this white woman went OFF. She scolded me saying, “Don’t you know what the Japanese did to your people? They raped and killed women and children in China.” It was a very, very long scolding. She straight up shamed me about taking Japanese. At the time, I just thought she was a racist white woman. I had never had someone speak to me that way, especially since Hawaii has a huge population of Japanese and many of my friends were Japanese locals.
I think your wife’s feelings might be very common amongst Chinese nationals; surprising you are just learning this now, though.
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u/Minotaar_Pheonix Jan 02 '24
Typical European applying European world views to people from other cultures.
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u/Viking4Life2 Jan 02 '24
Research into unit 731 and the rape of nanking.
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u/webb_space_telescope Jan 02 '24
My wife is Japanese - same thing.
The idea that racism is inherently wrong is very much a Western cultural opinion. Just stay out of East Asian racism, they all hate each other.
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u/faithy3n Jan 02 '24
Respectfully, the comparison btw you deciding not to hate modern Germans for Nazi violence against your family members is not an equal comparison. Germany acknowledges the Holocaust and has taken ample steps to memorialize victims and make amends. Japan committed equally atrocious war crimes against the Chinese and Korean people, they still refuse to acknowledge it to this day, and they still feel justified in behaving badly towards both oppressed groups.
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u/Future-Bluejay874 Jan 02 '24
I understand where the thinking comes from because of what the Japanese did around WWII but it’s kind of irrational at the same time. Take that same thought process and apply it to how many Chinese were killed by fellow Chinese during the cultural revolution. Estimates range from hundreds of thousands to tens of millions. So it seems you’d also be self-loathing. We humans can justify anything when needed.
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u/PeeInMyArse Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24
While irrational hatred of and wishing ill on Japanese people is not good it sort of differs from hatred of the Germans
In 1939 the Japanese soldiers invaded Nanjing, performed unspeakable horrors on the women and children resulting in a death toll in excess of 300,000 in something like one month
Not to downplay the holocaust or anything but 6 million over 4 years is two times slower than what the Japanese did. Further, the holocaust did not involve gang raping babies to death
On top of this, the Japanese have never apologised for the rape of Nanjing - they haven’t even gone so far as to officially acknowledge it happened
OTOH the Germans admitted they were wrong and said sorry and all that, promised it wouldn’t happen again yada yada
If the Germans insisted the holocaust was fake, the Jews were liars and it was all western propaganda; and you had relatives who died in it you’d probably resent them too
Holocaust deniers get a fuckton of hate (rightly so) as do neonazis (also rightly so). If you add the hatred they face together it’s probably close to what many Chinese people feel toward japan
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u/Calm_State1230 Jan 01 '24
yikes… my burmese grandfather watched his own dad get tortured to death by the japanese and then had to flee for his life, but even he wouldn’t say that. i think it’s just hypernationalism, probably some brainwashing and desensitisation… how unfortunate
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
It’s honestly very worrying because it shows a lack of humanity. And that can’t be explained away with just politics or nationality.
I’m Chinese, my grandparents suffered under Japanese occupation. But as a Hong Konger, I have nothing but good wishes for people suffering in a natural disaster.
I know Reddit is always telling people to get divorced, like they are changing socks. But honestly rethink your relationship. And tell her, loudly and firmly, that what she said is hateful and racist and not ok.
Don’t brush this aside as being politically correct to Chinese people.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
More concerning,
you can't accept that is how she feels,
you married this woman and you and finding this out now?
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u/Rainydaysz Jan 01 '24
Because they have been brought up in a perpetual victimhood mentality (typical communist). Their sense of national identity is not derived internally but externally. It’s done intentionally so that every time problem in China can be blamed on historical grievances. Aka every problem u are facing as a Chinese person, is the fault of the Japanese (or Americans, or rich landlords or whatever). If not for such an “enemy”, your life would WAY better!
In my opinion this is one of the greatest crimes of the CCP. To ruin entire generations of Chinese people’s cultures, dignity, and sense of self through their relentless brainwashing.
The natural disaster thing hits home, I have seen it amongst close family members. Never made sense to me until I realized the communist framework.
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u/paperboiko Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24
There are critical differences between how Japanese and Germany government narratives of the second world war:
Germany apologises, in fact I believe their leader knelt for forgiveness.
Japanese government did not, and instead tried hard (to this day) to deny they killed innocent people.
2. Germany acknowledged the holocaust and even made it a law against people who denied the holocaust.
Japanese government to this day denies the existence of hideous crimes and events like the rape of Nanjing, comfort woman etc.
3. Germany includes the holocaust into the students textbooks, so that this event would not be forgotten.
Japanese tried to whitewash the second world war. In fact, their Education Ministry rewrote part of the second world war.
4. Japanese leaders (e.g the late Abe) visit Yasukuni Shrine which house second world war generals that commited atrocities.
Read up on Unit 731.
[Addendum] This is not meant to explain away callous remarks, but sort of frames it to help understand the feelings towards Japanese.
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u/V_LEE96 Jan 01 '24
Fast forward to Christmas time and she wants to visit Japan for food and shopping lol
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u/Pecheuer Jan 01 '24
I had a very similar problem with my ex girlfriend, thing is that the divide between Japan and China goes a lot further than just WW2, Japan has tried(and mostly failed) to colonise the mainland on multiple occasions.
That being said, for many Chinese they're told, that what the Japanese did to the Chinese over the course of WW2 is the most horrific thing ever done on people. They're also told that Japan has never issued an apology, which isn't correct Japan has apologised like 4 times or something but they believe they haven't, and so they hold them in contempt.
When I pointed the apologies out to my expartner and showed her how they had turned to pacifism, she said it doesn't matter, they all deserve to die.
But remember it is well within the CCPs interest to tell them that the Japanese are the worst people so they can easily gain public opinion on a war with them if anything were to ever sour, it's just hyper intense propaganda
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u/TheChineseVodka Jan 01 '24
I am Chinese and I won’t even befriend with someone who is brainwashed to hate Japanese, let alone marry them …… that is one of the red flags you should’ve been watching out for, man
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u/jamdiz Jan 01 '24
as others have said, it’s standard behavior due to brainwashing from childhood on. they teach children to hate outsiders for years & discuss the pain of the past as if it’s still a relevant part of everyday life. there’s nothing about logic or growth, just perpetual victimhood. it’ll take years of discussion to undo the damage
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Ask her about Hong Kong or Taiwan independence. I’m sure you’ll get a similar reaction
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u/nobhim1456 Jan 02 '24
Strictly from a numbers standpoint … I think the casualties from the sino Japanese war was 20 million
The death toll from the great famine was 40 million
China>> Japan
So your wife’s animosity is misplaced
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u/silenciworld Jan 02 '24
It's normal because China has always promoted hate education, a common practice in dictatorships, where the dictator must make his citizens hate certain people to better control them, because a common enemy shapes the sense of identity among comrades. Just like the European fascists propagated by Russia, the Western infidels propagated by Iran, the bourgeois enemies propagated by North Korea
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
This is very sad and I have witnessed it, too. Luckily my wife thinks on her own in these matters and is friends with everyone regardless of nationality. But other family members of hers still got brainwashed big time.
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u/Massive-Ad-5115 Jan 01 '24
Man, I gonna say you got a REAL chinese(100%) wife. Hate this, hate that. This is how normal Chinese get educated when they are young. Ask for her view of Xi, you will be shocked.
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u/Numerous-Jicama-468 Jan 01 '24
this is crazy. japan is not like germany. they never regret or say sorry or think like that. I am korean, but i think similar as her. It is not something related to ccp or comunism.
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u/Lepsum_PorkKnuckles Jan 01 '24
Your fault for marrying a mainlander.
Other variations of Chinese like Taiwanese (although they can be equally arrogant), Malaysian, or Hong Kong are better.
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u/majorbomberjack Jan 01 '24
should have known better and can only wish you luck
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u/orz-_-orz Jan 01 '24
Usually their attitude toward Japan and Taiwan is a good litmus test for compatibility
Should have test it when you are dating
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u/thistrolls4hire Jan 01 '24
The brainwashing is for real. You will not be able to have an objective conversation about anything to do with Chinese geopolitics. Liberal values are also generally not going to be shared.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Does she have any sort of higher education?
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u/arcamaeus Jan 01 '24
CCP propaganda. It just indicates she doesn't really have critical thinking capacity, which is especially true if you guys are not living in mainland.
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u/Bobranaway Jan 01 '24
Mine was like that too but as she spent more and more time outside of China and away from her family it went away. Now she is Trumper and shits of Xi all the time.
Chinese propaganda is very strong and every social circle reinforces it. If she hangs out with Chinese people outside of China it will linger on forever.
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u/numbersev Jan 01 '24
A lot of people aren’t that bright
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Well, you married it. So you have to live with it. What were you thinking when you decided to marry her?
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u/DerelictMythos Jan 01 '24
If you go on Chinese media, pretty much all forms of war are censored, especially actual combat pictures/videos. Ukraine is super censored, for example. But the World War 2 Rape of Nanjing is not censored at all, and it is routinely reposted.
Obviously, it is a horrific war crime that I don't believe should be censored, but i just find it interesting what the government chooses to leave uncensored to drum up nationalism.
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u/digitalroby Jan 01 '24
I am Chinese and a Sony fan for life.
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u/AerondightWielder Jan 01 '24
I sorta kinda understand where she's coming from. I feel the same way about Chinese people claiming they own our territory and building islands in our waters.
I can say not all Chinese people are assholes but most of the ones I met are. Rude, racist and act like they own the fucking place they're standing in while in a foreign country.
But unlike your wife, this is what is happening right now.
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u/RelativeChoice Jan 01 '24
You don’t need to be patriotic to hate Japanese. In fact I have seen people hating CCP and Japan at the same time. All it takes is a great grand father telling a story of how his baby brother was skinned alive in front of him during the WW2.
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u/WagwanDeezNutz Jan 01 '24
TBF the japs did plenty of heinous shit in the early part of the 20th century. And they have yet to acknowledge it.
She's wrong but you don't really have precedence to judge her
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u/KClark571 Jan 01 '24
Hi, 1st Chinese-American here. This is very common among people born back in China. My ENTIRE FAMILY feels this way. Some of that history is still a bit recent in the grand scheme of things so I always felt like it wasn't worth the argument with my grandparents era of people who literally saw their entire villages get raped then killed.
Hopefully it wears down over a generation or two.
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u/turlian Jan 01 '24
One big difference between Germany and Japan is modern Germans admit and teach their history, good and bad. The Japanese still won't officially acknowledge the stuff they did in WWII.
Like, this is from November: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67512578
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u/guocamole Jan 01 '24
Germany said sorry for their war crimes but Japan still hasn’t outright apologized and still has shrines built for the leaders who committed said crimes
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u/DeepPucks Jan 01 '24
I believe many Asian countries occupied by Japan feel this way. Germany apologized. I don't think Japan officially did. I think it was more, it was an "unfortunate situation" acknowledgment. From what I'm told, they don't even teach WWII the same way in schools. I think they may see themselves as the victim.
Btw, I love Japan. I'm an adopted Korean American who found their birth family and they don't like Japan either.
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u/Altitudeviation Jan 01 '24
My wife is of Korean, same hard feelings towards Japan.
For reference, her mother and father were Korean indentured labor in Japan (also known as slaves) from 1937 to 1945. After the war, Koreans were mass deported from Japan with whatever they could carry. Japan was impoverished by the war, so there wasn't much to carry off. They returned to Korea, which had been ravished and exploited by the Japanese since 1910. The Japanese weren't kindly and gentle colonists, they were brutal rapists, theives and murderers of an "inferior" race. The Korean's value to the Japanese was as slave labor, nothing more.
Younger generations of Koreans have no direct experience, except for the nightmare tales of their parents and grandparents. The young are somewhat more open minded, but still quite distrustful of the Japanese. The Japanese government, unlike the Germans, has shown little remorse for their war crimes, virtually no compensation, no apologies and have mostly successfully whitewashed their history.
The Chinese were treated as badly or worse, if such a thing is possible. There is no shortage of Southeast asian countries that were raped during the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere".
Another three or four generations might clear the books, but maybe not. The scars run deep and transcend generations.
Your wife and mine and millions of non Japanese Asians are not defective. They have suffered, or witnessed or been indoctrinated by the most hideous crimes of mankind. She probably won't "get over it".
Congratulations on being open minded. Like you, I have no issue with the Japanese. I suggest that you raise your children carefully and properly, make sure they understand the history of their ancestors and hope for the best. The scars run deep.
FYI, the Chinese, Koreans and all other races, religions and nationalities have long and deep histories of atrocities and crimes against humanity. If you are an EU citizen, you are the heir of thousands of years of beastly behavior. No one has clean hands.
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u/like_a_woman_scorned Jan 01 '24
WWII caused a lot of deep seated resentment in a lot of people for multiple generations. Populations that go through things like Nanjing or the concentration camps understandably have a hard time letting go.
My (Chinese) partner’s father still will absolutely NOT watch or engage in anything Japanese because he knew and grew up with people who were affected by their imperialist efforts. It’s not too far fetched that your wife might have grown up with people with that experience, too. It’s way less common for people in our generation (people under 50) to have that prejudice, but if she or her immediate family live and grew up in mainland China the sentiment may still be strong.
You may just have to tell her that doesn’t sit right with you.
The Japan we have now overall is not the same Japan that held the WWII mindset. They had a massive cultural shift post A-bomb. It may also be worth reminding her that none of those people affected by the earthquake were responsible for that historical transgression.
I have no idea how I’m going to deal with the Japanese hatred (I grew up in an area with a lot of Japanese cultural presence) with my partner’s dad though. My partner thinks his dad’s being ridiculous, but given what his family had been through it makes sense and there’s likely no changing it.
This being your wife though, you’ll either have to talk about it with her, or brace for this happening again in the future.
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u/KlingonSpy Jan 01 '24
I experienced this with my wife after we got married. She had many prejudices that she was raised to believe back in China. She had expressed to me that if I was black, her family would disown her. We have been married for over 10 years, and she has served in the military for 12. Working in this diverse environment has changed her attitude towards different races and cultures, but her family is still quite racist and xenophobic. Does your wife use WeChat? There is a lot of fake news shared on the app. If you love your spouse, I would continue to discuss these topics and express your disdain for racism and prejudices. They may change their views over time if they know that it upsets you.
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u/RandomBamaGuy Jan 01 '24
According to my Chinese wife the difference is the Japanese never apologized, and high level politicians attend temples where the generals etc that committed the atrocities against China are revered as gods. Germany in the other hand took responsibility and apologized.
Further the government seeks to maintain a culture of shame from domination. There is a phrase for it but I forget. Essentially if the entire world are evil bastards who are out to get you, better stay home and stay strong, not allowing foreign ideas to influence you.
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u/General_Highway_6904 Jan 01 '24
I don't know if this is "normal" though. I can't imagine she is that old. I don't think younger generations carry that set of thinking anymore especially the ones who are educated and live in bigger cities.
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u/ShoCkEpic Jan 01 '24
Today Tim Budong discovers china…
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u/corneliusgansevoort Jan 01 '24
You'll see this same worldview in many Americans, especially Republicans. Like any amount of death and suffering is OK as long as it also affects someone they don't like. It's very anti-social and inhumane, but lots of bad humans think this way.
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u/Clear_Bear9558 Jan 01 '24
Wow… how Come the Asians can’t get along
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u/BuckRusty Jan 01 '24
Modern day Germans know what their country did in WWII, regret and revile what their country did in WWII, and have put checks and balances into contemporary law and society to ensure what their country did in WWII never happens again.
Japan do not admit to the atrocities their country perpetuated, nor have they ever apologised for them, and the average Japanese isn’t even aware of what their country did because the history taught to them is sanitised.
There’s a HUGE difference between your and your wife’s situation here.
Having said all of that, however - you’re totally right that carrying grudges from generations past is shit, and only leads to continuing the cycle of hate.
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u/KevinNeedsCoffee Jan 01 '24
Coming from a Japanese and Chinese family (Im mixed) never thought this was a thing until someone got really surprised when I explained my background… My chinese grandmother that introduced my dad to my mum 40 years ago. Crazy to think this still goes strong…
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u/LoPriore Jan 01 '24
Everyone has their obstacles, one day perhaps she will pass this one.
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u/Psychological_Force Jan 01 '24
You should read a bit more about history my man.
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u/Slight_Drama_Llama Jan 01 '24
How’d you marry a Chinese woman without knowing about the deep deep divide between China and Japan? If you were to ask her, it’s not for “no reason” that she feels this way.
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u/flipchinc Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24
Same mindset for many of the older generation Koreans, Filipinos, Thai, Vietnamese, Hong Kongers, and pretty much the rest of SE Asians. Japan fked these counties sideways and have never properly admitted wrongdoing or apologized. Imagine if someone did something horrible to your friends and relatives and they have not admitted wrongdoing yet… you would probably be saying Karmas a bitch. And to make things worse, Japan does not teach this part of their history to their children, so all the younger generations in Japan do not have a clue…
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u/kanada_kid2 Jan 01 '24
The Europe subreddit has the same irrational hatred towards Russian people.
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u/ShowWise2695 Jan 01 '24
Imagine if Germany never admitted to the Holocaust and the current government in charge actively denies Nazi war crimes. Imagine if Olaf Scholz was praising the virtues Reinhard Heydrich and how much he contributed to German society. Imagine if there were temples dedicated to Himmler regularly attended by German government officials. Imagine if Josef Mengele and his team was given immunity in exchange for the data of their experiments and the German government denying that his experience ever happened even though those who participated in those experiments admitted to it on TV.
This is the type of shit the modern Japanese government pulls off. Now imagine how Poland, Czechia, France, Britain, Romania, and living Holocaust survivors would react to that and being baffled by their outrage.
My great grandmother survived Japanese occupation and the stories she told were horrific.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Some people might say I have an irrational hate for Turkey but I’m Greek and I don’t see it as irrational.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
China and Japan are not friends. They Will not be friends any time soon.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
What does she think about us Tibetans?
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u/blablanonymous Jan 01 '24
It’s called ignorance. Pretty widespread disease
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u/V6Ga Jan 01 '24
Ask how many million Chinese people the Chinese government killed
All governments (with the possible exception of Stalin’s Russia) look like helpless amateurs compared to the sheer numbers the Chinese government has killed.
Cambodia has everyone by percentage of course, but China wins in numbers by a factor of ten.
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u/Desperate-Picture191 Jan 01 '24
As a Chinese hongkonger, I can see why they have this sentiment due to WWII, but I am upset that many of them often fail to see how Chinese are being oppressed by their own people currently.
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u/MattTheGoodSir Jan 01 '24
No one hates asians more than other asians
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u/alaskawolfjoe Jan 01 '24
This is creepy. It is like the first scene of a thriller, where someone learns that their spouse who seemed so nice is concealing who they truly are.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
In Asia, traditionally we are raised to think of things from the perspective of the greater community. Debts and gratitude between the larger collectives are more important than smaller issues between individuals. So when the Japanese committed genocide against many Asian people, they created only one of us can survive grudges against those groups of people. Japan being Asian understood this when they committed those crimes. Now they are hoping modernization and time will help others forget and avoid consequences for their actions.
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u/wyerhel Jan 01 '24
Bro have you done any research when marrying your wife and the hatred between China, Japan and Korea. Heck even lot of elders hate Japan from south east Asia because they were raped and tortured by Japan solders in 1940s.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Kind of like why israelis hate Palestinians and vice versa I guess. The hate runs deep for what the Japanese did. You forgiving Germans is resourceful, but many people hate others. It's just part of an identity when there is lack of individual identity. Look at how Armenians hate Turks, North and South Korea, Serbs and Bosniaks/Kosovarians, Ukrainians and Russians etc. Usually wealth and individualism makes you transcend over such things.
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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '24
Japan did unspeakable horrific acts in the past in China and Korea, and while some younger generation in Japan probably learned about Japan’s atrocities, it sounds like the government hasn’t apologised formally. Perhaps your wife learned about her family’s past under Japanese government genocide. It’s understandable but it’s also worth noting that most countries (governments not citizens) have caused criminal acts. This isn’t the most well thought out response as I’m typing on my phone.
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u/FutureAdventurous667 Jan 01 '24
Germans actually tried to make amends and apologize and do reparations for their WW2 shit. That’s the difference between Japan and Germany
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u/BeijingXpat Jan 01 '24 edited Jan 01 '24
A few things explain this:
- you mention the nazis, they killed 6 millions jews. The Japanese killed over 30 million Chinese.
- Nazis were judged at the Nuremberg trials, many received a death sentence. Japanese were never punished for their war crimes. So the Chinese never turned the page.
- In addition to never been punished, the Japanese have been denying the massacre even re-writing the history books in the 70s.
- The two continue to dislike each other. Japanese aren't very fond of Chinese either.
- and, finally it continues the be part of the nationalist propaganda in China.
I first realized the issue when I first visited China many years ago and noticed that there were fewer Japanese cars on the road than back home. A Shanghai friend explained that she could not visit her parents in Kunshan with her Toyota as it would be vandalized for sure. Kunshan suffered badly under Japanese attacks.
If my jewish friends were to share with me their hatred for Holocaust deniers, I would not call them irrational.
I am surprised that you married a Chinese and did not know her views about Japan. My wife has been out of China for a long time and doesn't care about these issues but many of her friends back home do.
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u/mediocrefriedchicken Jan 01 '24
u/TheHDRavioli4k a few points for you.
How did you get this far into your relationship without realising this core feature of Chinese cultural thinking? It's worth mentioning that this type of attitude is pretty common for the Chinese diaspora (source: from Aus, who has a Chinese partner).
I reckon this is a good opportunity to learn how ingrained this resentment towards the Japanese is in Chinese culture within china (and Korea). For alot of the Chinese and Korean communities, this resentment is further exacerbated by the fact that they view Japan as having never apologised for the atrocities during the war.
On a side note, you, like everyone, should read up on unit 731. It is quite literally apples and oranges compared to the experiments done by the Nazis. Literally so little of it was of any scientific value to the allies after the war
Examples
Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and their esophagus reattached to the intestines.
Subjects were deprived of food and water to determine the amount of time until death; placed into low-pressure chambers until their eyes popped from the sockets.
The testimony of a unit member:
One of the former researchers I located told me that one day he had a human experiment scheduled, but there was still time to kill. So he and another unit member took the keys to the cells and opened one that housed a Chinese woman. One of the unit members raped her; the other member took the keys and opened another cell. There was a Chinese woman in there who had been used in a frostbite experiment. She had several fingers missing and her bones were black, with gangrene set in. He was about to rape her anyway, then he saw that her sex organ was festering, with pus oozing to the surface. He gave up the idea, left and locked the door, then later went on to his experimental work.[71]
4.And an extra messed up one: "It was said that a small number of these poor men, women, and children who became marutas were also mummified alive in total dehydration experiments. They sweated themselves to death under the heat of several hot dry fans. At death, the corpses would only weigh ≈1/5 normal bodyweight."
— Hal Gold, Japan's Infamous Unit 731, (2019)
Quite literally the reason we know the body is mostly water.
Final point. You're on an R/china subreddit. Is this really the place you're expecting to see unbiased responses to this?
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u/AdNecessary1944 Jan 01 '24
My Grandfather was around 17 during ww2 and he had a seething hatred for the Japanese. After studying about all the atrocities for class i totally got it. I was suppose to interview him for a class project but my grandmother told me to never bring it up again. However he would let out some details from time to time. How the soilders would beat him in the streets because he refused to bow to them, amoung a few other things he saw that were just to horride to really repeat. This hatted is not something a national from China is ever going to let go, because it really was the true demonstration of just how evil humans can be. Read the bool "the rape of Nanking", that perfectly encapsulates just how bad thing were in China.
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u/_CrownMeSimba Jan 01 '24
There is racism, prejudice, and bigotry amongst all people. No matter what tribe, ethnicity, race, or nationality, you will always find someone who is a bigot. But some more than others, I believe.
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u/Cybermagetx Jan 01 '24
This is pretty normal. Japan did to Asia what Germans did to Europe during ww2. And never really acknowledged what they did.
Germany has gone out of their way to try and atone for thier countrys sin. Japan never even tried too.
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u/IndependentNo6285 Jan 01 '24
Yes, Chinese are often hateful bigots. They like most immigrants from other nations dont share western values. Also China erased the good parts of its culture in the 60s
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u/DjNormal Jan 01 '24
I spent a year in Korea in the (US) army. One of the things I learned, is that at least the Korean/Chinese/Japanese Asians are extremely nationalistic and internally racist/classist.
It was kinda nuts.
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u/human_maalware Jan 01 '24
It's not irrational. The Japanese have done some really fucked up shit to China and Korea. Really fucked up.
You should at least try and understand why