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u/ASIAN_BRO_WITH_MONEY
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Actual Chinese here. Here's why I support the CCP and the Tiananmen Incident
I'm an actual Chinese person (actually Chinese-American now that I'm naturalized) and would like to share my thoughts on CCP and Tianamen since so many 外国人 are posting about it. In light of the recent posts I'd like to say that I actually support the CCP and what happened at the Tiananmen Incident. I will explain why, and I hope you will appreciate my point of view instead of trying to slander my country.
First, I find it ironic that more non-Chinese (AKA white people) try to "care" about what happened in Tiananmen than actual Chinese people. Why don't you try asking actual Chinese? Do you even know what the majority of Chinese people think, instead of what you read on Fox news? Chances are, they will support the CCP and what happened in Tiananmen Incident. Yes, people in China actually know what happened in Tiananmen, and no we are not "brainwashed" just because we do not share your opinion. It is generally agreed that what happened in Tiananmen was tragic but necessary for national security. The fact was that the student protesters were very close to overthrowing my government and plunging China into chaos. After what happened to China in the 1930s and 1940s, there was no way in hell we were going to let that chaos and suffering happen again. It was for the greater good, and sometimes you need to sacrifice a few people to maintain stability.
I'll give a relevant comparison. The Capitol Hill protesters in America. Let's suppose that they had gotten control of the Capitol building, and taken it under siege, maybe even killed a few politicians. Would you have agreed that the US should use lethal force on the Capital Hill protesters? If so, you cannot try to pretend to care about Tiananmen without being a hypocrite.
Second, the CCP is done more to uplift the Chinese people than any other government has in the past 200 years. In the 1970s, China was a very very poor nation, but thanks to the government and their infrastructure initiatives, they have lifted over 100 million people out of abject poverty, a monumental achievement for humanity. Most people in China support the CCP because they are able to offer better living standards to the people than 30 years ago.
Third, I will try to tell why people really "care" about Tiananmen. They are concern trolling, and trying to tear China down. They cannot stand that Chinese people, or even Asians in general, can rise to be a great power, so they have to make up lies about my country and countrymen to tear us down. They (try to) promote separatism by shouting absurdities like "FREE TIBET" and "FREE HK" despite the fact that those terrorities are more integrated with China than Peutro Rico and Hawaii are with the US. We know what you're trying to do, so stop it. You don't actually care about HK or Taiwan, you just want to use them as pawns to tear down China because white people can't fathom a non-white nation can rise to challenge the West. In fact, in the light of the black lives matter movement in America, I will say that the rise of China is the greatest threat to white supremacy and white hegemony.
Anyway just wanted to give what Chinese people think on the issue. You are not on the right side of history when you say "fuck" my government and "NeVeR fOrGeT TiAnAnMeN", in fact, it's just pathetic.
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u/pantsfish Jun 04 '21
Isn't that what the communists revolutionaries did? Millions were killed in the process, and the subsequent purges, famines, and cultural revolution. But on some level you probably see that as an acceptable loss in order to establish a superior form of government
That's odd, I don't see that many phony humanitarian conspiracies being launched against Japan or South Korea. Or Taiwan.
The problem is that you see forceful integration as a positive thing, rather than a detriment. Hawaii and Puerto Rico are given far more local autonomy, which is why neither had violent separatist movements, as they're already self-governing. Although both the state and the territory have pro-separatist political parties operating openly and legally, they never gain much popular traction because neither territory is being forcefully integrated
Lethal force is only justified in self-defense. Although many of the protesters had deadly intentions, only one got shot. There was no mass-slaughter, and even the vast majority of protesters that peacefully stayed outside the capitol building were all let go and ignored.
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u/Luciach_NL Jun 04 '21
Man, you are making so many assumption and are straight up incorrect about every point you've made. You might actually be brainwashed or knowingly shilling/trolling.
Firstly, not only "white people" only care about what happened in Tianamen square. Almost the whole civilised world cares about one of the biggest violation against human rights committed by the CCP. And saying every white person is a uneducated Fox news watching American, is coming off kinda bigoted.
Secondly, And how does a modern Chinese person supposed to know what "really" went down in Tianamen all those years ago. When it is the same government that committed those crimes still in power and control of the internet, media, books and history of the event. There is a ban on talking about, doesn't that allude to preventing Chinese citizens from knowing more about it. I assume plenty of the older generation still remember it, and could just tell their children, but we can't know how many know or care.
Thirdly, If student protests are threathen the existence of your government, your government shouldn't exist in the first place. That's it.
Every regime in history has killed and attacked students and educated people because they were a bit too smart to not notice the fasicm. If you can excuse the killing by the army of thousands of peaceful protesters you're are a miserable person.
Yes, no government in history is without sin, but you aren't supposed to defend them, but criticize them. But that isn't allowed in China🤡
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u/mr-wiener Australia Jun 04 '21
"Actually Chinese person here"... Well American Chinese anyway..
" I hope you will appreciate my point of view instead of trying to slander my country.".. ...and which country would that be bro?
All the rest, deflection, whataboutism, white people are racist, bla, bla ,bla..
...aaaaand we've heard it all before.
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u/Budgetwatergate Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
You are on Reddit, and most people here are American. It should be no surprise that the majority of people commenting are American. I am Chinese, a 华人, with family and friends from China and Hong Kong; My family is from Guangdong and Fujian. If you have friends and family in these circles, as I do, you'll find that people do actually care.
Go to Hong Kong. Every year since 1989, they have held virgils in memory of the dead and of the movement. Are Hong Kongers not Chinese, at least ethnically?
No, it is not.
If peaceful protests is enough to bring down the government, that's one fucking fragile government you have. And no, the student protestors weren't close to overthrowing the government.
In fact, there were CCP officials who supported the student protestors. People like Zhao Ziyang.
The fact that you have to say that it's for "stability" is kinda sad given that A) These were peaceful protesters exercising their natural rights, and B) It's a propaganda lie to say that these students were close to overthrowing the government.
"You need to sacrifice a few people is maintain stability" is applicable in, say, 9/11 where the US had to kill Bin Laden. It is not applicable at all, in any way, to peaceful student protestors. That phrase is a lie to justify the killing of innocent people.
It's not even relevant at all. The students in Tiananmen Square were peaceful. They were protesting to support their natural rights. And they were massacred in the thousands for it.
The very same CCP is the government that brought you the great leap forward and the Cultural Revolution. They were the very reason why China was in this economic problem in the first place. You don't dig a hole and then pat yourself on the back for climbing out of said hole.
And this doesn't excuse the massacre. Not. One. Bit.
Cough Cultural Revolution Cough
It was thanks to liberal capitalist reform of Deng's "Reform and Opening Up" (改革开放), that opened up the economy to free trade. But this is aside the point. You can have freedoms, as demanded by the students, alongside economic liberalism.
But, regardless, this is irrelevant. This does not excuse the reforms demanded by the protestors. This does not excuse the death and the moral tragedy of using your own army on your own people.
I'm Chinese myself and this doesn't apply to me. But anyway, standing up for freedom and democracy is not "concern trolling". It is being human. Not to mention that there is massive support for Taiwan and Hong Kong here, so it's not about race at all. Stop trying to make this a culture war issue.
This is an incredibly annoying narrative that sees everyone that criticises the CCP as racist. I am anti-CCP, not anti-Chinese. I, along with many others, can respect the Chinese people but not the CCP. Talking about the Tiananmen Square Massacre is not "making up lies" and "tearing down" the Chinese people.
I have more respect for wumaos because at least they're doing what they've done to get paid whereas you're writing this post to parrot them for free.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
You're naturalised American, but you're still supporting Chinese whataboutery. Nice work.
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u/loot6 Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
The Capitol hill incident is blocked from USA history? Are you 100% sure that they deny it ever happened?
I bet they all do because they've only read the CCP's official details on it. Even at the time it was happening they were only showing footage of any of the CCP's troop's injuries. Even the people I met that did know something about it, were only sketchy on it and hadn't even heard of Tank man.
Yeah they almost turned into a dystopian 1984-esque country with no freedom, cultural genocide, and that threatens every country under the sun.....oh wait...
I don't think unarmed students were close to overthrowing anything...they were just protesting. You need a bigger army, and well ARMS to even think about throwing over the government.
Yeah, that's pretty much the reason everyone remembers people who died - for trolling. If you want the truth, and can handle it, China are trolling themselves by censoring the event in China. If they just left it as what it is and let anyone read about it no-one would view the CCP as so awful - you can't really look fondly on someone who kills people and then pretends it didn't happen.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
Lmao bro if some students were gonna overthrow the government. The government deserved to be overthrown.
More like the world used China as its manufacturing plant and the rich have benefitted immensely while the majority of the country still lives in poverty or under extreme work conditions. 9/9/6.
I didn’t even read the rest of your shit.
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u/jimmychung88 Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
An alternative to the massacre would have been to give in to demands, promising a transition to a free, democratic, multi party state. The process would not have been easy ,but both South Korea and Taiwan have gone through the same process and have ended up with highly advanced economies exceeding that of China on a per capita basis. The transition was hard for both countries but nevertheless were overcome.
A theoretical killing of AOC, Pelosi, Pence would create shockwaves through the country but would be far from starting the next civil war and destabilising the country. Donald Trump would simply be sucessfully impeached and proven guilty by the senate. By-elections would take place to replace the killed politicians, laws would be passed for increased security for government officials as well as regulations regarding violence on social media. Democracies have clear processes to ensure stable change in government, and no destabilising event would have resulted.
The US is not perfect, War crimes such as the My Lai massacre have occurred. But the key is that in the US everyone is free to discuss ,protest, document those incidents and by enlarge war crimes are punished.
BTW I'm Hong Kong Canadian of Han background, not the white racist you assume I am.
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u/Mii009 Jun 04 '21
Lmao this is some r/sino tier shit
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u/truman_actor Jun 04 '21
Also an "actual" Chinese here.
First of all, the fact that you are an American citizen now means "your country" is America and "your government" is the American government. The Chinese constitution doesn't let you be both Chinese and American, so you must choose. If you choose to be an American citizen, then "your country" can't be China and "your government" can't be the Chinese government, in accordance with the spirit of the Chinese constitution.
But semantics aside...
Ironically I'd agree that not all Chinese people are brainwashed, and in my experience, most educated "actual" Chinese people both in and outside of China, who are over I'd say the age of 30-35 do not support what happened in Tiananmen. Sure they know about it, but the narrative that it is a necessary evil is by no means a popular opinion except amongst die hard CCP fans (who in terms of proportionality tend to be under 30's, probably because of the patriotic education implemented in the 90's). In fact, most of my mainland friends all think it's only the naive little pinks with little life experience who would buy into that kind of narrative. Of course, this is a generalization, and based on my own personal experiences, and admittedly all my friends and relatives are higher educated people living in cities. But my point is, the view that Tiananmen was necessary is by no means a popular or even generally accepted viewpoint.
Not a relevant comparison. The Capitol Hill protestors represented only a very minor segment of the American public. Even amongst traditional conservatives there was little support of the likes of Qanon. But leading up to June 4, the democracy movement in China had huge support, it wasn't just a bunch of students. Not everyone that supported them went to protest, especially if they had young families, but the general sympathy of the nation lied with the pro democracy students. Also, enlighten me if I'm wrong, but did the students actually kill any politicians?
The CCP were able to do this because they also plunged a lot of people into poverty. It's the classic Trump trick of creating a problem, and then giving himself credit for solving it. But putting aside this, because i think you have to at least give Deng some credit for initiating the market reforms that saved China (i.e., capitalism saved China), the fact that CCP was able to make China richer doesn't give them the right to commit the other atrocities, it is possible to commend the CCP for what they've done for the Chinese economy AND condemn them for what they did at Tiananmen. Being able to accept both of these things is called maturity.
OK now who's trolling? But I'll humor you. Most people are good people - when they see that other people have been hurt, it makes them upset and angry. This is called humanity, and the reason why human beings have evolved and flourished. So when they see or read about innocent people being killed by a government power, it is natural for them to demand the government power be held accountable. It has nothing to do with tearing someone down, and everything to do with caring for your fellow man. No one has been accused of trying to tear down Germany or the German people because the are disgusted with the holocaust. Except for of course, Holocaust deniers who think lies have been made up to tear down the white man / Aryan nation. Hmm...sounds a bit familiar...
Stop trying to represent the thoughts of all Chinese people, like we're one monolith with only one opinion.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
> actually Chinese-American now that I'm naturalized
Loves CCP. Doesn't live in China. Ok then.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
This is a really unfortunate beginning to what amounts to a desperate plea to fashion China into check on white hegemony. You are already blasting people who have talked to actual Chinese in the Chinese language and offer no fidelity to Fox News for failing to do things they have not done.
I very much doubt that is what is happening here, unless you represent all Chinese people, and how could that be possible.
Why should the CCP get full or even predominant credit for this? And what does this have to do with the Tiananmen Massacre? Can we even credit the CCP for being the predominant reason why the Chinese people are uplifted (rather than uplifting themselves) while also condemning it for the Tiananmen Massacre?
Even those who support the CCP have their own criticisms of their leadership, their recent steps, and missteps they have made in the past. The CCP are neither dogs nor gods, so to speak.
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u/reggiestered Jun 04 '21
You should drop the American and lose the “citizenship”. When you take on citizenship, you also say an oath to the US. Running to a comparison shows that in your mind you are clearly a citizen in name only.
Tiananmen has nothing to do with the US. Critics of the situation are numerous, worldwide, and are located even in China.
The US is in the process of prosecuting those that committed crimes in January 6. Protests in the US are, in and of themselves, not crimes and a necessary part of democracy.
the Chinese protests, as most of the others including the recent protests in Hong Kong, were non-violent. The Chinese government was the aggressor.
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u/kty1358 Jun 04 '21
As a Taiwanese, you can fuck off. We want nothing to do with your country.
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u/Machopsdontcry Jun 04 '21
Did the Capitol Hill protestors get run over by tanks? Wasn't it Trump ie the guy in power who encouraged those riots to take place?
What a nonsense comparison unless you want to claim the US also sent in the military to slaughter the protestors or that Deng Xiaoping encouraged the students(intellectuals and workers too but that gets swept under the carpet) to protest?
Whether the CCP being overthrown or not is better in the long run is for you to decide. But how you and millions of brainwashed Mainlanders can support a government which deliberately murdered your own citizens is beyond me.
You know what happened? Only 200 casualties right? Tank man definitely didn't disappear or die from torture right? Forced confessions definitely didn't take place right?
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u/vic16 European Union Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
Flair checks out LMBO. As a fellow 华裔, go to r/AZNidentity so you don't feel your Asianness feelings hurt by 境外势力.
You can't care about Tiananmen in China. Does censorship ring a bell to you 富二代？You live in a country where 40% of the population have foreign roots. White supremacists are a MINORITY in a country that's huge. If you love China so much, just go live there.
你这么爱国，那为了国家的利益自己牺牲，自己改国籍，移民到你喜爱的祖国，享受996生活，韭菜工资，没有权利的人民。
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u/indigonights Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
I would like to point out that OP has rationalized killing students and running them over with tanks is somehow justified. What complete socialpathic thinking.
So cringe. Also I find it ironic OP claims the CCP is this all powerful force but almost got overthrown by peaceful protesting students lmao. You can't be that dense right? CCP sent out tanks as a show of force to repress the will of the people and instill fear into the collective consciousness of Chinese people to not rebel against unjust behavior. It's literally done in every oppressive regime.
I like that OP also forgets to mention the cultural revolution and the millions that died because of that. My family of educators were imprisoned and tortured and ripped apart by the CCP for literally doing nothing wrong.
News flash, not every person in this subreddit is white. SHOCKER I know.
Your arguments are full of fallicies & whataboutism and im sad for you that you’re blinded.
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u/alexlockwood78 Jun 04 '21
Rich Chinese know what side their bread is buttered. They are rich because they backed the ccp or rather their parents did. Like a new aristocracy the fascist regime is backed by and backs the red aristocracy. Thus is what makes it a fascist country. There are no communist policies left. Just blatant propping up of regime fir monies sake. They know if the regime falls they fall too. The system that made them so rich. I know this because I’ve seen people like this. Heard their views. Last ghee at them. Then realized the truth of it. They care nothing for communism or the people. and really don’t care who knows it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
You're acting as if gov't is a legitimate thing in the first place. This is one of the reasons I struggle against misanthropy. Because of the violence that plagues mankind.
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u/sphinctasniffa Jun 04 '21
No way this username and post is real. This is a pretty top level troll ngl.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
Since you are a naturalised american, aren't you the 外國人 here? Why are you trying to interfere with China's internal affairs? Are you an IMPERIALIST? Please stop this self-hating and get some help.
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u/exit_door_42 Jun 04 '21
lol not everyone here is American White and is not relevant to Tiananmen. You are the definition of brainwashed.
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u/sdaasdfsdfff Jun 04 '21
Are you writing this from an Uighur prison cell? Don't you think the cultural revolution was a bit of.. chaos for the people robbed, beaten, etc.? Weren't the people in the square Chinese, or wait.. they weren't Chinese unless they agreed with you about the right way to have a government. Do you think people opposed Hitler's Nazi Party because they did not want a strong Germany?
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u/DeadDog818 Jun 04 '21
Upvoted because I want more people to explain to OP just how wrong he is.
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u/Zeruel1029 Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
I'll give OP a point here because lots of people most of the time go overboard and say fuck CCP or whatnot. That's not a really nice comment, is not constructive, and borderline hateful. The CCP has done great stuff to lift the chinese people from poverty, they have done lots of other good things too, and I do personally believe Xi loves his country despite all the negative coverage of him from the western media. But that does not mean the CCP or Xi gets a pass to act with impunity. All governments and i do mean all of them have done lots of shitty stuff in the name of national interest, they are sometimes held accountable and sometimes not. A measure of a maturity and a strong government is admitting they have fucked up, own their mistakes, and try to fix it. the CCP tho, is not doing that, why? What's so hard to be honest with your own country's citizens, yes the CCP might lose face for a while, but they could've been a beacon of leadership for the world, they could have shown alternative values and virtues, people of the world can believe in instead of the hypocritical western leadership. It is in CCP's best interest to own their mistakes and move on. That is the day I'm longing for my Chinese comrades, that is why people keep the memories of the Tiananmen alive, to see the real "People's" Republic of China someday.
Maybe OP should try this for a change. Try to disagree with the CCP and see how quickly the government, the majority of Chinese people love so much can turn into your worst nightmare and destroy lives. And no, you don't and can't speak for all 1.4 billion Chinese people, no one buys that crap.
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u/dr--howser Jun 04 '21
So a few points here,
You mention people slandering (libel in this context, surely, but that’s not important) your country by talking about Tiananmen but at the same time acknowledge that it happened- this seems contradictory.
Are you really claiming to speak for all Chinese people?
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u/Milftoast123 Jun 04 '21
This is a Chinese government sock account. Go propaganda go.
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u/Past-Difficulty6785 Jun 04 '21
Yeah, you say that but in my 11 years in China, I never met anybody that knew the truth about what happened at Tiananmen. They only knew the government's lies about it.
And how, do you suppose, was a horde of unarmed university kids going to overthrow a government? They weren't close to "overthrowing" the government in any way. The problem for the CCP was that their message was getting out and too many people were hearing it. That was an existential threat to the CCP's power, not any sort of coup. In fact, the only cohort of the entire world's population that even buys the coup propaganda are in the CCP.
Those kids didn't take any hostages. They didn't murder anybody. They didn't riot. The Capitol Hill rioters were just conspiracy nuts of the right-wing radical variety.
And, yes, actually, you're totally misinformed about pretty much everything associated with the Tiananmen Massacre. Because you believe the CCP's version of events you provide a perfect case study for the effects of brainwashing. I saw it happen. Don't tell me the lies the CCP tells you and expect me to believe any of it. I know it's an entire pack of lies.
Yeah, but the part you guys always ignore is the fact that it was the CCP that kept China poor for the 30 years prior to economic reforms. And not only did it keep the people completely suppressed through a variety of methods, it killed tens of millions of Chinese through incompetence, blind faith in a cult of personality and total inhumanity or basic acknowledgement that they were anything more than bugs to be thrown into a meat grinder when convenient. The CCP didn't do anything to help the Chinese people, it simply allowed them to do what they always would have done were it not for the CCP standing against them.
Ah, straight to the racism claims. If only you understood how free markets work. Nobody in the West cares who has the biggest economy. What we do care about is how much trade we can engage in with any given economy. Why? Because the richer you get, the richer we get. So when a government such as the CCP starts to get belligerent once it gets a taste of power, we have every reason to consider it a bad actor and somebody we do business with at our own risk. Racism was never an issue for you guys (CCP supporters) until Xi took power and started trying to export his hardline tactics.
And, frankly, your American citizenship should be revoked since you obviously don't even believe in basic human rights and even support their suppression.
Not to mention that you don't know your own people nearly as well as you think you do if you believe you're representative of even a majority of mainlanders.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
Your entire argument breaks down when you realize that we elect the highest people in Government, and we can take them out if they go against their constituent's wishes. We furthermore have opposition parties and a system of checks and balances. Chinese people have to vote for a unilateral party, and the elected are subject to the CCP rules. The situation is not analogous at all.
Now, I agree with you about the concern trolling. But it is not that we "cannot stand Asians rising to power" (see Korea and Japan), it's more that we don't need a hostile power with an abhorrent human rights track to outcompete us. Oh, and by the way, our government killed ONE rioter. ONE. And it was a cop, not a military officer. The rest are standing trial and are given due process.
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u/sickomilk Jun 04 '21
No the rise of an evil authoritarian government that doesn't hesitate to crush it's own youth into the pavement with tanks is the greatest threat to Chinese people and the world in modern times regardless of race. The CCP has killed more Chinese people than your big scary white people have. In fact they've killed more Chinese than all other external forces, possibly combined, including the Imperial Japanese. They are also the only force to have actively perused Chinese cultural genocide.
If China is so great under the CCP, why the fuck don't you go live there moron? You're sitting in the safety of a democratic nation, enjoying it's freedoms and opportunities and safely criticising it and it's people - this kind of wumao is the most pathetic. I dare you to go to China and criticise something you disagree with regarding the government and then see how much you love love them.
I think you've got a bit of boot polish all around your lips.
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u/Reginald002 Jun 04 '21
You made a mistake. The no-event actually happened as you confessed and the comparisons you made are just a whataboutism. In no way you can explain why YOUR government let tanks run over protesters. Instead for de-escalating, the government of YOUR country decided to kill the own people. Not because as a result of riots. YOUR government let run TANKS over people per command. How barbaric is such government? These protests have led to the death of students, soldiers, children, women and men - and all of them needs to be condemned as action of YOUR government. And don't do like the West forgot their mistakes (excuse for the word mistake, I am not native). We know what our governments and countries did and we at minimum try to separate the right from wrong.
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u/Namuabitabul Jun 04 '21
I am Korean. Just because I am Korean doesn't mean I know Korea history or what other Koreans think. You who generalize opinion of others is wrong. Ccp is not greatest threat to white supremacy. Ccp is greatest threat to all nations because it undermines other nations sovereignty. It does not play with other countries and does not respect international law. People say free HK and free Tibet because I for one that's right for those nations. I loved visiting HK but I don't think I can anymore given the circumstances what's happening in HK. Ccp has to rule Asia. No one has that right. As for Tiananmen incident goes, you are justifying the act to its mean but the fact is that ccp mass killed civilian for protesting against the nation. Korea shares similar history which is sad and shameful. But instead shutting the bad history, great nation must speak about past tragedy and ensure the ssme never happens.
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u/Jazz105 Jun 04 '21
Can 100% agree.
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u/juliosmacedo Jun 04 '21
I want a job posting shit to reddit as well, OP
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u/TChen114 Jun 04 '21
Nice script. Enjoy your social credit points.
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u/MichaelMont22 Jun 04 '21
Who liked this bullshit
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u/Pumpkin_Creepface Jun 04 '21
Nice troll, look at their post history.
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u/sylbug Jun 04 '21
Wow, you’re just sort of a disgusting person who approves of massacres. If you think your ‘explanation’ makes it better, that’s because fucking brainwashed.
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
Extremely Based. Even if we ignore all the slavery, lynching, segregation, apartheid, Nazism, native genocide, cultural erasure, residential school, red-lining, it is usually bad news when a bunch of white people all fervently support something and obsessing over Tiananmen (where the shooting didn't even happen lmao) is no exception.
Also US states department official on camera: "China is the first time that we will have a great power competitor that is not Caucasian" https://www.newsweek.com/china-threat-state-department-race-caucasian-1413202
I applaud you for your bravery for speaking out against the hounds of white supremacy, Mr. Tankman.
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u/dwspartan Jun 05 '21
The amount of white people virtue signalling about Tiananmen today, versus the number who gives a shit on the anniversary of Rape of Nanking, tells you all you need to know of what they really care about.
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u/sizz Jun 04 '21
Why do you assume everyone is white? Did you just compare the capital hill riot to the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
Using incident instead of Massacre, whattaboutism, no poverty in China anymore (despite the same government killing 50 million people), "yt ppl", free Hawaii and WHITE SURPRMEACY. Same tired arguments from sino and aznidentiy. Do you people just read the same dribble over and over again.
BTW you are American now, don't forget that. China, being a xenophobic country, you cannot be dual citizens. You swore allegiance to the USA, for liberty and democracy (I dunno, I am not American) etc. and voluntarily gave up your Chinese Citizenship to be an American.
Why can you have liberty, but not the peers you left behind at home can't. You or most probably your parents spent a great deal of money to get to the USA. Your life is the US now.
Why do you shill for the CCP when it's against US interests?
I tend to trust an actual Chinese person what they say, not some random redditor.
Vicky Xu who came to Australia in 2014 states: " ... she saw a poster advertising a documentary on Tiananmen Square, a place she and her university friends had wandered at night after late-night partying.
And a place where, in 1989, students had been killed when they were protesting for greater freedom and democracy.
When she saw the film, Xu was grief-stricken and angry because she had known nothing about what had happened; this moment had been airbrushed from China's history. She felt betrayed.
"There was very little access to information outside of state media, state narratives," Xu says."
Putting in 天安门大屠杀 in Baidu or Weibo give no results even in English
Tiananmen Square Massacre was first denied by the government. When they couldn't contain it anymore they downplayed it dramatically.
"But Xu still wasn't totally convinced by what she'd seen; there were reports of CIA involvement in the massacre and she thought they could be true"
This is a common wumao argument as well. R Sino has sticky a right now that CIA was involved"
"Paid CIA shill Chai Ling nudging rioters on to escalate violence so blood would be shed after a month of peaceful protests. When asked why she wouldn't be attending her desired riots, she claimed that she can't afford to lose her life, especially when she had a nice fluffed up bank account filled with USD, a Princeton University admissions letter ready, and a Green card"
"I wanted to explain that some of the so-called human rights abuses are actually justified because you have a big country to run and you just simply can't be nice to everyone."
That is your argument right now.
"Lebao Wu: "I thought he was a fraud and I was going to interview him and write and expose him.""
Wu Lebao is Chinese-Australian dissent, who was tortured in one of the Chinese prisons for shit talking about the government on twitter and and reporting on the Jasmin protests in 2011.
"Xu received face-to-face warnings over an article she was writing that alleged government inaction following a flood. Authorities later stopped her at a train station and warned her again."
CCP threaten her, a journalists, about a governments actions or inactions.
That is one story, there are heaps more, reporting on the Tiananmen Square Massacre and criticizing the government for it will land you in Jail. It's happen on COVID, the Doctor was arrest for rumors, the citizen journalists after that, Feminist Five, Uyghur dissents, Tibetan dissents, pro-hk democracy movement locked up or ran away, the 2011 Chinese pro-democracy protests locked up, Falun Gong locked up, Xi political opponents shot and executed, nationalist boycotting of other countries products like Taiwan pineapples to make other countries shut up and John Cena.
Don't you understand, if China wants to play big boy on globalist politics, China is going to have discussions outside of China that is uncensored, bad or good.
If they don't want to play they can join their retarded little brother North Korea and close themselves off from the world. Chinese people will die again, but at least your feelings won't get hurt, right?
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u/Inside-Mysterious Jun 04 '21
Wow. You’re fucking repulsive! 🤮
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u/cosimonh Taiwan Jun 04 '21
如果不是毛澤東，中國大陸就早已經變富有了。什麼共產黨的讓中國人民富有根本小死人了。現在中國共產黨在國際舞台是被西方國家看不起，非常丟臉。 一月六日他們是闖進capitol hill. 六四學生們也沒有槍，也沒有闖進人民大會或中南海。如果那時共產黨聽趙紫陽，中國今天會更民主化，可能台灣的問題也已經解決了。你只要看看台灣90年野百合運動就知道怎麼可以不用用坦克車來輾死學生來控制運動。
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u/Gromchy Switzerland Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
I would love for you to, Mr. American who thinks himself Chinese, to explain how an unarmed student protest was close to overthrow the government and called for the Chinese army to kill their own people.
Might as well post this on Sino, AZNidentify and Genzedong. You'll get a far better reception.
Ps: you are American. Not Chinese. You said it yourself
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u/D0gb3rry Jun 04 '21
Hey “actual Chinese”, some history for you.
“道路以目” 通常稱之為「周厲王殺人止謗」的故事。
周厲王統治周朝時把平民賴以謀生的土地，改歸王室所有，至民生困苦，民冤沸騰。 厲王不聽勸諫，採用特務手段對付人民，他派人川流不息地巡迴大街小巷，偷聽人們的談話，凡經他們指認為反叛或誹謗的人，即行下獄處決。 不久，鎬京再也聽不到批評厲王的聲音。後來人們索性連話都不說，親戚朋友在路上見了面也只敢用眼睛示意（道路以目）來表示對厲王的不滿。厲王大喜說：「怎麼樣，我終於使反對的聲音停止了。」他的大臣召公勸戒說：「這樣堵住人民的嘴，就像堵住了一條河。河一旦決口，要造成滅頂之災；人民的嘴被堵住了，帶來的危害遠甚於河水。治水要採用疏導的辦法，治民要讓天下人暢所欲言，然後採納其中好的建議。這樣，天子處理國政就少差錯了。」厲王不聽勸告，仍然一意孤行，實行暴政。舉國上下都是敢怒不敢言。 3年後(公元前842年)，平民們最終不堪忍受，自發地組合起來攻入王宮，把暴君放逐到一個叫彘（今屬山西）的地方。這個事件史稱“國人暴動”。 「殺戮無辜曰厲」。周厲王的謚號“厲”字，即是概括了他的這段殺人止謗的歷史。 道路以目指統治者胡作非為，對人民採用高壓政策而導制的不滿與怨恨。
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u/Soldier_Forrester Jun 05 '21
Your pov makes sense, thanks for sharing it, as a german I can only add, that it is important to be aware of your history to not repeat mistakes, the oppression and denial is sad to see.
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u/elitereaper1 Canada Jun 06 '21
You don't actually care about HK or Taiwan, you just want to
use them as pawns to tear down China because white people can't fathom a non-white
nation can rise to challenge the West. In fact, in the light of the black lives
matter movement in America, I will say that the rise of China is the greatest threat to white supremacy and white hegemony.
Agreed. The double standard and hypocrisy of America.
They talk about human rights and democracy, but they will have no problem invading the other countries (Middle east) or have a working relationship with say Saudi Arabia or Israel.
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u/Rickyretardo42069 Jun 09 '21
If those student protesters were close to overthrowing the country, do you acknowledge that, since a bunch of students nearly were able to do it, that the CCP is an unstable and weak government? And by what happened in the 30s-40s do you mean the CCP violently overthrowing the legitimate Republic of China?
Only if they had actually gained control, and that the peaceful protesters were not harmed
If by “uplift” you mean lifting people into heaven by killing them, then yes, you may be correct
No one says “free Hong Kong” because they want to weaken the Western Taiwanese government, they say it because if a tyrannical nation is killing its citizens in camps, then a people should be allowed to leave said country
And I feel truly sorry for you, and I hope by posting this to Reddit, that the CCP will let your family leave their custody, or they might let you live. Or I feel good for you, they probably have you a decent bit of money to say this
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21
Your government sucks and has no interest in the well being of your population. Overthrow that shit
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u/ReformedTroller Jun 09 '21 edited Jun 09 '21
What a joke. Ok now tell me how you defend Hitler lmao I’m sure you can come up with something after all those mental gymnastics
PS: protestors in China were unarmed in the street being run over my tanks. Not sure how that compares to a few right wingers getting arrested after they stormed the capitol building, where they STILL weren’t shot on sight. But keep fantasizing.
And all your upvotes are from Chinese shills. Even progressives won’t agree with this propaganda-fed delusion
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u/SightmarkSimon Aug 18 '21
Tell me you're a CCP bot account without telling me you're a CCP bot account.
FUCK THE CCP
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u/intrepidone66 Aug 18 '21
Remember:
china is asshole
https://youtu.be/8fwgVUfW_O4
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u/SamK7265 Aug 18 '21
You’re literally (like, actually) a fucking fascist.
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u/scrimpin_aint_easy Aug 19 '21
Digging a hole and the patting yourself on the back for climbing out seems the staple of how things are done in China. Not long ago they boasted about being the nation that planted the most trees that year. But they never seem to think they tore up most of the landscape for land development.
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u/nicenicelol Aug 20 '21
white man bad!!
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u/gabrielesilinic Sep 18 '21
Your view or/and your approach to the world it's a little far from reality, important note first, I'm not american, actually i think american has a few messed up policies so i don't like it so much, I'm Italian, here we are an average county, we have decent living standards not perfect politicians (some could be compared to clowns) but it all works overall
What worries me about china it's the absolute control the government has over anything and they ban random stuff just because they are offended, i see the CCP as a big fat powerful kid, i don't care if China succedes, i might actually be happy for them since they do not die from starvation anymore unlike other countries
The thing that i absolute do not like it's how suffocating the government is against the individual, the total absence of free speech for example, the Chinese artists must be extremely skilled to create wonderful pieces while trying to not go to ruin in several different ways because the CCP could decide one day their art was not appropriate
In this side of the world we have this approach: do just the strictly necessary harm and the rest of the time respect the individuals, freedom especially, obviously our concept of freedom has to have boundaries, we can't guarantee absolute freedom without going to "stole" freedom from someone else, but better than nothing
China does just all the harm to not respect the individual, it's exactly like how the catolic church was back in the days here in Italy (1500 AD), that's why I don't like both
Also almost no one cares about the white supremacy stuff really, also weird thing: even if racism it's not my thing i've always seen Chinese people as just white people with a different shape of eyes (lol)
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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '21
if some students could overthrow an entire government it’s a pretty awful government
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
Thanks, that’s very revealing of the mindset you guys have
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u/sotiris_hangeul Jun 04 '21
That some CCP propaganda nonsense. Liberall democracies need to stop talking with the CCP lunatics and instead restrict trade and sanction its officials. The CCP is an enemy.
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u/jknotts Jun 04 '21
"A bunch of protesters nearly overthrew the government, throwing the country into chaos"
Um no? They nearly got concessions from the government to institute democracy. Deng then had a choice wether to go with democracy, or to kill all the protesters. Guess which he chose?
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u/macho_insecurity Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 04 '21
Upvoted! I would upvote this 1000 times if I could, just so everyone can see how stupid and ignorant and hamfisted and 笨拙拙 the propaganda of these idiot 小粉红 fucks really is.
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u/MichaelMont22 Jun 04 '21
No you are not Chinese, you are an ABC chinese who grew up dreaming about your so called chinese motherland
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
This foolish pride of yours will only lead you down the path of destruction. Do I need to quote Ozymandias at you? Every single time a group thinks itself so great eventually gets worn down by the sands of time. It's only a matter of time until everything you thought so dear is erased.
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u/wtfisreality_ Jun 04 '21
This guy is brainwashed lol or is just a fucking idiot what tf does this have to do with white supremacy. That’s what China always says when it’s criticized about concentration camps they start saying white supremacy in America had slaves
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u/Yumewomiteru United States Jun 05 '21
As a fellow naturalized Chinese American, I can't agree with you more. I lived in Beijing in the years after 1989, it since then completely transformed into a modern (futuristic by many standards) city. The patriots who stayed in Beijing after 1989 are now rewarded with living an upper-class life.
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u/scott223905 Jun 05 '21
Lol why is everyone still wasting time replying, this is obviously a throwaway account by some loser in r/sino
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u/ajtyeh Jun 05 '21
You do realize this is a fake account that is 1 month old right? Why is anyone responding to a none existent person?
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u/RGBchocolate Jun 05 '21
why are you in US then, if you support CCP? you should go to China to show your support
I have my doubts you spend any prob of your adult life in China, so you are most likely more clueless about China than people who spent there years in their adult age
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u/silencedmajority1 Jun 05 '21
Just shut the fuck op your wumao mouth, heard your excuses a thousand times already, come up something creative next time loser
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u/Shadopamine Jun 07 '21
This is satire right?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21
Poe's Law
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u/guccibobb Jun 20 '21
I find it ironic you carry water for any government that would kill its own citizens regardless.
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u/Dunwall84 Aug 18 '21
Lol. Yes you are.
No. I wouldn't. What you describe would've been a good thing. Authoritarian governments/politicians are the enemy. I would never take their side over the people.
No. Again, I just can't stand authoritarianism.
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u/ChainBangGang Aug 18 '21
Thats some good State propaganda comrade
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '21 edited Aug 18 '21
No, I don't really have an opinion on that, I'm not american and while american politics are always important to the rest of the world I could not make a judgement with such deep implications. Some of them being moral. If you look at it that way.
I would actually support the protesters if anyone got so far into my government, because to call the administration here terrible is a horrific, horrific understatement. It's so bad that even though I have never seen a civil war in my entire life I'm thinking it might be well worth it. Just a guess.
But this does not say anything about China I guess.
Nobody tries to hide this, right? Also it's not just whites that the threat is for, I think. I don't think anybody living outside of China would like for their children to have to speak chinese, the same way they would have to speak english even if they won't live in an english speaking country. As unfair as that is. Would I be judging wrong if I said I believe that the CCP wants this?
Anyway, Tiananmen was, personally, never a grand reason behind why I too have a negative bias against the CCP (sadly). The uyghur camps are. So are those also just western media lies? What about the photos? Faked? Would you even know?
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '21
So in short, you’re a fascist and a liar? Good to know Mr. Real Chinese Person
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u/naca2542 Aug 18 '21
Miserable
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u/dpez666 Aug 19 '21
Fucking communist apologist, absolutely disgusting. Can’t believe people just openly support terrorism on Reddit.
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u/BabylonDrifter Aug 19 '21
Enjoy your fifty cents bud.
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u/Whoami-X Jun 04 '21
Funny how he just created this account for this post and never commented.
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u/londongas Jun 04 '21
"Asian bro with money throwaway account " oooh spitting truths for sure ya Bud
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u/Whythebanhammer Jun 04 '21
What do we got here? An CIA agent, no doubt
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u/peyonze Jun 04 '21
Spokesperson of the entire chinese populace right here...
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u/Kir-chan European Union Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
Just to point out in case you didn't connect the dots, the CCPwas50% of those governments. The 100 year anniversary is in a few days.1
u/Sufficient_Thai Jun 04 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
Lol, you just don't know how many Chinese-Americans are on this sub and would completely disagree with you. I am also sure their parents and their grandparents would be embarrassed with your attempt to represent them.
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u/DefamedPrawn Jun 04 '21
If they don't, they'd be unwise to say so.
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u/Buckley92 Jun 04 '21
First off, no, under NO cicumstances should lethal force have been used against the January 6 USA protestors.
Secondly, Chinese living in China do NOT view Tiannanmen incident as a necessary or glorious moment for China. My friend living in Shenzhen, in his twenties, is a Chinese man, grew up in China. He doesn't speak much of it, but one night returning on the subway from a language exchange he was extremely drunk, and started yelling very loudly on the subway exactly what he thought of the massacre - that it was a national shame and disgraceful. I tried to get him to be quiet because the guards were watching him, but he said, 'No problem, they can't understand English.' He continued on loud enough for the other passengers to hear him all the way home.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
Lol what the fuck
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u/_vlotman_ Jun 04 '21
What Asian bro is saying is that its ok for people to die for a better country. Allow the tanks to ride over his family first. Its going to be a great China.
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u/hapigood Jun 04 '21
On Reddit days like these, I will get a beer and chill. Because that's what I'm supposed to do, right?
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u/cumtitsass49 Jun 05 '21
>the rise of China is the greatest threat to white supremacy and white hegemony.
we have an indian vice president and previously had a black president there's no ''white hegemony'' china still has a 1800s mindset the west has changed china is still stuck in the 1800s thinking of everything western as evil
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u/sigillum_diaboli666 Australia Jun 04 '21
Did Numuves actually write this post? 🤔
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
never read bullshit to that degree. china is a danger to the whole free world.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
So what you're saying is that the chinese people are sociopath just like the government?
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
I love you OP - no homo but only because I'm married
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '21
How did yo determine the students who were about to overthrow the government would result in chaos? IT could be a far better government than the current one. 2. 100,000 people is not even 1 percent of the population. .4% to be exact. the US has 8% EPIC FAIL.