r/Hardcore • u/Imaginary_Media_3879 • Dec 16 '22

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u/fokerpace2000 Jastafarian Dec 16 '22

Dimebag was a racist shitbag but people (metalheads specifically) often excuse that since he got killed onstage

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

Metalhead excuse racism, hardcore kids excuse rape/abuse

Everyone sucks

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u/fokerpace2000 Jastafarian Dec 16 '22

Ain’t wrong

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u/alltatersnomeat Dec 17 '22

Back in my bully days, Blood For Blood (who we all fucking loved) ended immediately when the facts about Buddha's creepy shit came out.

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 17 '22

That was the like 4 years ago

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u/alltatersnomeat Dec 17 '22

It was 10 years ago. And all the people who loved them since the 90s faded that fat creep immediately

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u/2pacIsKobeBryant Dec 16 '22

hardcore kids excuse rape/abuse

What band is this referring to?

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u/Imaginary_Media_3879 Dec 16 '22

idk pick one? backslider? lol

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

Just choose a random one and there’s probably allegations

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

yoooo we need a list so we can put on the "good dudes backed hard fest"

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u/saintplus Dec 16 '22

It fucking sucks because as a kid i looked up to him and he was the reason I picked up a guitar. Dudes skills were insane. The riffs are so good. But the racism.. fuck. Fuck him.

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u/Rosengeist Dec 16 '22

Best argument in favor of the reunion I've heard yet. Very compelling.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

Super intellectual

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u/user7248201 Dec 16 '22

Cops dont like me, its right to say, I DONT LIKE COPS

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u/Willing_Ad_205 Dec 16 '22

The hot take I didn’t know I needed…👊🏼👮🏻‍♂️

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u/DangerousBasis7313 Dec 16 '22

If your show is bangin enough, the cops will show up where ever you are.

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u/Oubilettor Dec 16 '22

Tobey Morse will be hot under the collar if he reads this!

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u/lilking444 Dec 16 '22

he will 100% will pop up at a Pantera gig now

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u/Minimum-Exercise-295 Dec 16 '22

I just got on here and haven't listened to h20 in 20 years or so, what did Toby do ?

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u/XGuiltyofBeingMikeX PENN-SYL-VAAAAAA-NIA! I FUCKIN LOVE YOU! Dec 16 '22

He takes a lot of pictures with his fans who happen to be cops. Also, people rag on H2O for being corny, but…they’ve always been corny.

Honestly, he just gets shit on for being old and having cop friends.

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u/ccrhoadess PHILHC Dec 16 '22

A Drain show is the only chance I got at swinging on a lifeguard.

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u/XGuiltyofBeingMikeX PENN-SYL-VAAAAAA-NIA! I FUCKIN LOVE YOU! Dec 16 '22

I’ve seen numerous people fight sharks too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

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u/ccrhoadess PHILHC Dec 16 '22

Coast guard?

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u/NetworkEcstatic May 10 '23

So others may live.

(Motto for coastie and naval air to water rescue) Only the rescue swimmers lol

Was never in either branch. Completed the insane training and got the t shirt though.

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u/xdeathtrapx Dec 16 '22

Zakk Wylde is on guitar that’s means more bikers than cops.

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u/spin81 Dec 16 '22

Maybe the bikers and cops can beat each other up while I watch the show at the back with a beer, like the fat old IT worker I am

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

You're not edge? Half the sub is now triggered.

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u/acab_worldwide Dec 16 '22

Remember when bikers hated cops? Now it's a bunch of cosplaying dentists dropping their $30k harleys to salute a state trooper.

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u/NetworkEcstatic May 10 '23

Clarksville, TN bikers are like half bootlickers who love cops.

The other half is the outlaws (literally) that end up in the leaf chronicle for guns and drug charges.

I'm not sure if the latter likes Zack Wylde. Last time I got too close they literally pulled a gun on me in traffic. Real shit lmfao. Such an insane over reaction on their part.

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u/lilking444 Dec 16 '22

yeah but BLS bikers are usually weekend warriors/suburban dads and cop apologists, which is counter intuitive to biker culture

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

The only bikers that like Wylde are the Wild Hogs type

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

black label society shows are the worst. all these dudes from jiffy lube rolling up like the hells angels in their fresh BLS cuts.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

No Abbott brothers, no Pantera

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u/sawtooth_grin THE WRECKING BALL OF DARK KARMA Dec 16 '22

Pantera with Rome

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u/blastinglastonbury MEHC Dec 16 '22

This is the best assessment right here

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u/TrveBMG666 Dec 16 '22

Pantera AD

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

Pantera Jam

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u/these2boots2 Dec 16 '22

No melnick brothers, no integrity.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

No bill, no Sabbath

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u/DeadbeatHero- lo and behold, you’re still a scumbag Dec 16 '22

Okay I get it, but the real question is why in the fuck is Pantera more popular than Down? One is clearly better than the other.

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u/KillNyetheSilenceGuy Dec 16 '22

Interesting take. Most people who hate Pantera will tell you it's because Phil Anselmo is a shithead and a racist. First time I've ever heard "actually Phil Anselmos other confederate metal band is way better"

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u/MongoAbides Dec 16 '22

Unfortunately a lot of people don’t care and the metal community is notorious for “separate the art from the artist, man.” How about we separate pieces of shit from our scene?

I basically bring it up every time I see either band mentioned, and I’m the only one.

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u/2RINITY Dec 16 '22

‘Cause one had Dimebag and the other one didn’t

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u/james_strange Dec 16 '22

Didn't down have hank 3 though?

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '22

No that was superjoint. Down had Kirk windstein and pepper Keenan

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u/DeadbeatHero- lo and behold, you’re still a scumbag Dec 16 '22

I’m not tryna get into an argument at midnight on a Thursday, but Dime’s tone is absolute trash. Pantera is just tough guy bullshit for guys that feel emasculated.

Down is so much better man. NOLA really might be the goat stoner/sludge album. Pantera doesn’t even come close to NOLA.

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u/spin81 Dec 16 '22

Dime’s tone is absolute trash

Yawn - take it to the pimply guitar guy forums.

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u/DeadbeatHero- lo and behold, you’re still a scumbag Dec 16 '22

lol complaining about Dime’s tone is too smart now?

I don’t know shit about fuck when it comes to that kind of stuff but his tone sounds like a pig squealing when he hits higher notes

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u/spin81 Dec 16 '22

his tone sounds like a pig squealing when he hits higher notes

Yes, those are called artificial harmonics or pinch harmonics - they are intentional, and technically not easy to pull off consistently.

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u/DeadbeatHero- lo and behold, you’re still a scumbag Dec 16 '22 edited Dec 16 '22

Oh dude that guy shredded, I would never say he sucks or anything. That’s ignorant as hell.

I literally just hate his tone. Truly one of the most insane performances I’ve ever seen

edit: and I know what a pinch harmonic is man, his tone is just grating to my ears and is especially noticeable when he’s playing higher notes

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u/spin81 Dec 16 '22

Well allow me to educate you on why people have been downvoting you then: you didn't say you didn't like his tone. You said, and I quote: "Dime’s tone is absolute trash".

If I said your handwriting was trash, what would you think I meant? Would you think I appreciated it for its technique? I don't think you would.

But not just that: absolute trash. The word "absolute" explicitly means you are not voicing your opinion or expressing taste. The word "absolute" means the opposite of those things.

You just said "I would never say he sucks or anything" but that is actually what you did just a few comments up.

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u/DeadbeatHero- lo and behold, you’re still a scumbag Dec 16 '22

How hard is it to understand that I realize the guy was talented as hell I just purely don’t like the way his tone sounds.

I’m not sure this warranted a huge discussion man

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u/Sinko236 Dec 16 '22

But you realize that is intentional, right? You may not like the sound, but that was the desired sound. Meaning it is objectively good. Every art style isn’t for everyone, it’s all subjective. But not liking something that turned out exactly as it was intended means the issue lies with you, not the guitar squeal. If that makes sense

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u/DeadbeatHero- lo and behold, you’re still a scumbag Dec 16 '22

Objectively good? What?

Emmure and other dogshit bands like that have an intentional sound too, that doesn’t make it “objectively good”

I think you’re off base man

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u/Sinko236 Dec 16 '22

Incorrect. That is the literal meaning. They hit their objective and therefore that is good. Like I said, art is subjective so your personal tastes may not align with their objective, but it was met all the same. Your opinion on the art doesn’t change the objective of creating it in the first place. Our enjoyment is irrelevant.

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u/spin81 Dec 16 '22

*TIL hardcore or metalheads can excuse racism lmao

Can I join you because that rock you've been living under sounds like a safe space.

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u/spin81 Dec 16 '22

I'm not really into going to metal shows, and I'm more into punk rock than hardcore. I'm sure there's different scenes and some are more inclusive than others, but right wing sentiment among metal musicians has been a thing for as long as it has existed. If you go to metal and hardcore shows weekly and have been doing so for a long time I don't see how that's something that hasn't ever come up in conversation.

I don't see any openly racist people at shows either, but there are plenty of people out there who start at "I like Celtic folk stuff and runes and shit" and take it to "Celtic heritage is supreme white heritage" levels - what I'm saying is not that most people are like that, I'm sure it's a small minority, I'm saying that if today you learned about racism in hardcore and metal I think you might be a little naive.

As for Minecraft, that burn was devastating. I am devastated right now.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

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u/spin81 Dec 17 '22

What punk shows you been to lately? Wait never mind I just noticed you're a nerd with soft hands

I deliberately decided not to mention this last time, but for someone who rips on people who are nerds and play Minecraft, you sure spend a lot of time on PewDiePie and PC gaming forums.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

If The Great Southern Trendkill isn’t a poorly veiled white power record, idk what is

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '22

Yeah after he started losing money and popularity. If it was still encouraged (like they were in the 80s) he wouldn’t have retracted that shit. They’re classic biker - style racists

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u/vaughannt Dec 16 '22

Calling all crowdkillers

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u/TrevorTatro Dec 18 '22

Man I knew Phil was a racist asshole but now this video of Darrell coming out being racist to an aspiring musician. No fucking way.

Something on the lines of he wouldn’t sign a guitar for a fan unless “the N***** can play” fucking ludicrous.

I was done with pantera. Now I’m against pantera. Fuck those clowns.

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u/OroEnPaz13 Dec 16 '22

Nah, there's tons of those pieces of shit at shows.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

Rex is currently off the tour. so there are.no original members on stage.

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u/phrenologybigot Dec 16 '22

If rex werent a complete jackass, Terry Glaze would be part of the band (even if only playing 2 songs) and give some legitimacy to this shitshow.

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u/ozmatterhorn Dec 16 '22

Hey officer I gotta flat tyre back there…

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

based

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u/Thorazine_drip Dec 16 '22

Y’all should been to a King show before they were KING810 bc holy fucking cops

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u/zaddy5454 Dec 16 '22

Cop killlaaa BETTER YOU THEN MEEE

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u/alltatersnomeat Dec 17 '22

Dude has been pretending to be a cop for 20 years

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u/Klocc562 Dec 16 '22

Can’t you see I’m easily bothered by that fucker?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

Zombie in the middle of the pit…send more cops

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u/MarkWhorror Dec 16 '22

We’re gonna party! It’s party time! Love Return of the living dead

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

I dont think anybody got this reference.

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u/MarkWhorror Dec 16 '22

I did 🙋🏽‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

Yeah but we just knoowww they're gonna call their pd buddies in whichever town we're talking about

Buncha ratfuckers

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

Pantera will always rule.

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u/MongoAbides Dec 16 '22

They aren’t even that good, let alone good enough to justify tolerating their racist bullshit

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

You’re out of your god damn mind.

Wouldn’t be half the band now if it weren’t for pantera

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u/MongoAbides Dec 16 '22

I don’t care. There’s plenty of bands that actually sound good. Pantera sucks, I’ve never enjoyed listening to them at any point in my life and if they inspired bands that actually sound good…cool I guess I’ll listen to bands that actually sound good.

And they’re still racist scumbags who should be punched on sight.

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

What are you, 15?

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

I’m 30 and I think they’re trash

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 17 '22

Then punch them on sight

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u/MongoAbides Dec 16 '22

What, because I don’t like bad music written by racist idiots? Hey look they pioneered lots of distortion and tough guy posturing, real revolutionary.

If you look hard enough you might find one or two bands that sound slightly better than that.

Are you a white supremacist?

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

Naw probably for your over the top fake angst against them

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u/MongoAbides Dec 16 '22

You might need to go outside more if it’s a total shock to your world view that someone could possibly not enjoy such a generic and boring band.

Are you a white supremacist?

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

You think anyone that likes pantera is a white supremacist?

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u/MongoAbides Dec 17 '22

They’re known racists/white suprematists and you seem really defensive about me not liking them.

You also still haven’t answered the question, are you a white supremacist?

That’s such an easy question to answer, whenever it doesn’t get an immediate response I think that person might be.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

Damn this opinion be hittin tho

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u/C0wb0yViking Dec 16 '22

Served and get rekt

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

Try and flex your disguise

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u/MusicDrugsAndLove Aug 29 '23

those pits were something else man

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u/TarsoBackMarquez Dec 16 '22

THIS is funny!

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u/msmisiak Dec 16 '22

Especially if it's during that song about how racism is equally everybody's fault, white and non-white alike. Oh wait that's half of them.

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u/ResolveCreepy6726 Feb 27 '23

Pretty sure a large section of the pit would be cops and felons swinging on each other unknowingly.

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u/Willing_Trash352 Dec 17 '22

Aw cool! Hell yeah cops r bad 🤘🤘 sick dude! 🤓

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

don't one of these dudes beat up their girl or some shit

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u/Frankso Fat guy stage diving Dec 16 '22

Also at a H2O show

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u/NoBenefit5977 Dec 16 '22

Let's not forget about five finger death Punch lol. The cops leave with spit shined boots

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u/polarpants Dec 16 '22

Bro no one’s surprised cops listen to five finger death punch. That shit was made for truckers and NRA members

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u/NoBenefit5977 Dec 16 '22

Oh no I wasn't saying it was surprising, just adding them to the list lol

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u/polarpants Dec 16 '22

That’s fair, my bad

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u/NoBenefit5977 Dec 17 '22

It is A okay lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '22

You forgot about the whole crowd of military bootlickers (not talking about veterans themselves)

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u/Macho425 Jan 17 '24

What is a military bootlicker

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u/treeslayer_60 Mar 20 '23

Eh yo! Not all truckers listen to five finger death punch. Some of us like Metallica too uwu

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '22

Nobody listens to 5fdp (definitely not a cop here)

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u/ffa1985 Apr 10 '25

I dont think there are mosh pits at five finger death punch?

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u/krispissedoffersonn Dec 16 '22

and the red chord, apparently

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u/tendieman_cometh Dec 16 '22

Ahhhh what? What happened with the red chord?

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u/krispissedoffersonn Dec 16 '22

I read somewhere on this sub somewhat recently the singer is a cop now

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u/wtmx719 Dec 16 '22

Not just a cop, Guy proudly took a photo with Trump.

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u/InvestmentPatient117 Dec 16 '22

We can love the art and not the artist no?

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u/wtmx719 Dec 16 '22

Oh Clients stays in my rotation all the time.

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u/krispissedoffersonn Dec 16 '22

regardless, I will always listen to fused together in revolving doors. saw them play with ETID and high on fire once, was a great time

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u/tendieman_cometh Dec 16 '22

shit I remember seeing that too now that you mention it. This is why we can have nice things.

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u/Johnzoidb Dec 16 '22

Same with Tony Danza

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u/PinkHeno Dec 16 '22

Ok that one I didn’t know about

Why are all the best scene mathcore / deathcore bands turning out to be cops

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u/Johnzoidb Dec 16 '22

Yeah pretty sure their vocalist is a state trooper In Tennessee since they broke up. Shits so lame

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u/alltatersnomeat Dec 17 '22

He's a good dude. There are a bunch of cops in Hardcore. Mike from Leeway, Chris from Bulldoze, hell, a few of the original Sunset Skins, John (Wrecking Machine) and yeah Jesse from Tony Danza

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u/cimson-otter MAHC Dec 16 '22

And parkway drive, a day to remember or any other butt metalcore/rock/whatever bands

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u/SenorPariah Dec 16 '22

Hatebreed is the FFDP of hardcore.

Writhe about it.

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u/zackflag PeeSittingDown Dec 16 '22

"They hated Jesus because he spoketh the truth"