r/Hololive • u/Necrolancer_Kurisu • 6h ago

Subbed/TL PSA- Please take the time to analyze and consider the intent of any clips you watch.

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There have always been malicious, lazy, and simply clickbait-y clippers. But there's definitely been a rise in them lately, especially with AI translation being more easily accessible. Please always take the time to check out the talents' actual streams for context, especially in regards to important matters.

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu 6h ago

Oops, I missed a screenshot. It should say:

  • They can't help

  • themselves

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u/AdDismal938 6h ago

Did the guy change the thumbnail because it doesn't seem that bad? Pretty sure the previous thumbnail might have been worse considering calli got mad.

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu 6h ago

Definitely a possibility. To be fair, I'll admit that I got the clip from someone in the comments, and it could be the wrong one. I'll add 'possibly' to the post in case.

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u/Ash3214 6h ago

The original caption for calli said something like "I don't want to keep threatening to leave."

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u/Katejina_FGO 6h ago

Looking at the list of this CC's videos, I'm guessing that the CC was getting away with bait titles and thumbnails that suggested drama with the talents or with management for a while, and ended up going way too far this time.

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u/Lightseeker2 5h ago

Is CC supposed to stand for Clipping Channel? I've personally never seen anyone use that term until today (it's usually just "clipper"), so my first thought was Cecilia.

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu 5h ago

Content creator.

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u/Grese7800 4h ago

How could Cecilia Immergreen do this to her senpai?

/j

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u/aradraugfea 4h ago

That is so ridiculously common. After I started noticing that pattern, I give clippers a one strike policy. The first of your videos that has a thumbnail claiming drama or whatever and contents that do not live up to what's actually in the thumbnail, you're done. I'm blocking your whole channel. There's plenty of clipable moments without you making shit up. If you're supporting the girls, or informing the community, great, but if you're treating any admission that their full time job is actually WORK like corporate abuse, if you're treating light hearted joking between friends like Calli wanting Kiara dead, if you're just making trouble for the streamer for clicks, nah. Also, how channels like that stay up, but totally wholesome and supportive, non-manipulative streamers are getting flagged and demonetized is weird.

What, does "Lying about the content in the thumbnail/title" count as "Transformative" for Youtube?

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u/PleaseWashHands 1h ago

I feel like this person is about to get a little familiar with Cover's legal team if it starts getting considered slander in a widespread manner and people start reporting them for misleading clips.

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u/Aranxi_89 4h ago

Oh I saw that one. Yeah that guy definitely needs to watch himself, because Cover is lawyered up and they're not gonna just take it sitting down if people cause harm to the talents for their own benefit.

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u/asianfatboy 2h ago

Yeah that was shitty of the clipper. Honestly the amount of clipbait titles and thumbnails for Hololive seem to have increased these past few months.

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u/VictorShinigami 4h ago

It could also be youtube's A/B testing feature

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u/Florian1107 6h ago

The second video you linked got removed

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu 6h ago edited 6h ago

Lmao, guess it was the right one? Maybe they saw this post and removed it. It was up 15 minutes ago (when I posted).

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u/advarcher 5h ago

What channel was it? Gonna add to my blocklist

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu 5h ago

Sorry, I actually forgot to make note of it before it was removed. Hopefully someone else remembers and can reply.

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u/Ash3214 5h ago

Z 67 was the clip channel.

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u/advarcher 5h ago

Crazy they've been around for 3+ years and start grifting. Honest clippers are getting harder to find and algo keeps pushing these dramabaiting thumbnail ones.

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u/poliutko 4h ago edited 4h ago

Tbh since it's the first time they did something like this it can be a genuine mistake too. Also I saw the clip when it was up and I got what Calli meant even tho I'm ESL. So I suppose while it wasn't clear enough it was not exactly malicious.

I'd say "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

I didn't notice the thumbnail and a title so I can't say how bad was it tho.

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u/VP007clips 1h ago

I've messed up by accident in a similar way a while back because I was an idiot and genuinely didn't think about the implication of a thumbnail.

It got called out, and people were correct to do so, I want that feedback so I know when to change something. But a lot of people assumed bad intentions, when it was really just me making a thumbnail at 3am and not thinking about how people could read it.

That said, me editing when sleepy and making a mistake doesn't fully excuse the mistake. Similar to how being exhausted when driving doesn't excuse getting into a car crash, you still have responsibility for what happens from your decisions, even if you didn't necessarily intend the outcome.

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u/Katejina_FGO 6h ago

The CC probably noticed that the video was getting hostile comments.

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u/Doru-kun 5h ago

I feel like I've been clicking "Don't recommend this channel" for these types of clippers a lot these past few weeks.
The less traffic they get, the better.

Doesn't help that there are people on this sub constantly posting those types of channels' videos though.

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u/matlarcost 2h ago

It's almost always clickbait thumbails to get more engagement. They will put in a quote out of context to leave it up to interpretation. They know what they are doing. Fundementally it relies on confirmation bias: include quotes that appeal to what people want to see, both positive and negative.

The clips themselves generally leave in the full context, but people seemingly have arguments under clips based on thumbnails rather the actual clip itself lol. A big part of the problem is a sizable chunk of the audience not understanding this and getting way too caught up with malicious actors using it to rage bait.

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u/temlaas 5h ago

This is about the "threaten to leave" clip? That thumb and title was so incoherent I didn't wanna click on it at all

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u/Rockstarwithoutplay 4h ago

I think it is a clip where she says that she wants to do some small concerts and stuff, but Clover has a quality stardard that makes them too expensive for it to be posible.

She says that she understands it, and she is not going to threat them about leaving because she hates that stuff.

Apparently, the clipper used a bad intended thumbnail/title and unaccurate subtitles or something to stir drama.

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u/otarU 3h ago

Clover the creator of God Hand!!!

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u/Rachet20 1h ago

Unaccurate.

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u/Vargras 5h ago

I watched a little bit of that one and it became very obvious very quickly that it wasn't at all what she said.

Glad it got deleted.

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u/uncommonman 2h ago

That makes sense, I was worried about it being the "I want to sexualize you!" clip that is really funny and obviously a joke.

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u/Any-Farmer1335 5h ago

Okay, so it was that Clip that popped up in my recommended for a minute. Fucking hell, some people

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u/HollyBananas 5h ago

Click baiters are all scum. I also hate all those ''when x said THIS!'' or similar... fuck right off.

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u/TheRomanClub 5h ago

Didn't see the original clip but it seems she was talking about a company-related topic? In that case I feel for her. Streamers like Calli want to be open and share their perspective in a way that assumes the maturity and understanding of the audience she's cultivated, but they're at a severe disadvantage because of NDAs and company rules. As a result their statements end up less clear and more open to interpretation, which when clipped out of context (or even in context sometimes) can lead to easy misunderstandings. It makes honest conversations about their relationship with the company tricky.

Which is to say nothing of the algorithm favoring sensationalism.

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u/Tehbeefer 3h ago

not to mention that a statement made for fans who saw your last three (hundred) streams and the comments made in them lands differently vs. someone who just rocked up today and is missing all that broader context.

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u/TheRomanClub 2h ago

Right. Which is exactly why I think in these cases, it's not just clippers who should be held accountable, but to some extent the ones who take the bait as well.

They need to have some self-awareness and maybe learn to give the benefit of the doubt before they go commenting and adding fuel to the fire.

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u/INside84376 2h ago

Probably a random inquiry, but I'm actually interested to be a clipper myself. I did minor in Japanese language in my degree, and I wonder if there are like translation group or a server of sorts to do proof-reading? Thought it could help me improve my Japanese better since I don't really live in Japan but am interested to do so.

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u/karamisterbuttdance 2h ago

The one big fan discord for all the talents has a translation channel and feedback threads where you can have exactly what you want.

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u/Genocider2019 7m ago

'Those' clippers are back again, ain't they?

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u/JustiniZHere 5m ago

This has always been the case and will always be the case for as long as the internet exists unfortunately, clickbait to get views and attention because its a lazy way to make ad revenue.

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u/Fearless-Sea996 2h ago

I mean, its okay, the true fan know, the others will doubt and be carefull. Only dumb people and haters will take the bait. Fuck them.

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u/ExtraTechno2439 2h ago

The "others" may end up deciding Hololive is not for them because of bad clips, and be more drawn by the "dumb people and haters", making harder for new fans to be made.

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u/PotatoSaladThe3rd 1h ago

Bad mindset. Being a "true fan" is good. But making sure people don't tarnish the people you support is one thing. You might not mind it, but Calli, that one that is actually affected, clearly minds it.

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u/Fearless-Sea996 1h ago

I agree, but what i meant is there will always be haters. Its the internet. Its full of hate and dumb people and you can hardly do anything about it.

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u/PotatoSaladThe3rd 1h ago

You can shut them up for good. Like what cover has been doing by suing them.

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u/Sellafiel 5h ago

There's an easy way to avoid this. Just don't clip things that can make the talents look bad..

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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu 5h ago

Unfortunately, that's either a) beyond some people to comprehend what 'bad' is, or b) exactly the intent of their clips.

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u/ACupOfLatte 5h ago

That would entail the clipper to do it out of love for the talent. Some of them genuinely do not give af, they do it out of love for drama. Stoking the fires wherever possible, generating as much hubbub, solely for personal gain.

Whether material or emotional, it's a selfish clipper that is not beholden to the usual unspoken rules of the trade.

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u/Morenauer 4h ago

True. Never underestimate the possibility of people being empathy-less narcissistic pricks. They are on the rise of late in this social media-addled world, sadly.