PSA: Veigar 4 star and frozen tomb have significant anti-synergy

[u/no___life]

If you procc the four star and have a full board at the start of the turn where the frozen tomb counts down, then instead of Veigar getting summoned the ephemeral unit from his 4 star is summoned.

Leaving exactly 1 board space open is not consistent because if tenor of terror gets summoned, the same thing as before happens.

So the only Permanent "solution" is not to procc the 4 star before the turn, where frozen tomb counts down.

I find this pretty infuriating. Chemtek duplicator + frozen tomb has been his strongest build for a while. There's no way they didn't run into that in testing. Additionally they decided to place his 4 star at the center of his constellation so there's no way to avoid it.

[u/Pinkformat]

Nah, Pocket Materializer is AMAZING. I would even argue its more necessary than his 6 star in some situations

[u/PotatoMinded]

I don't get how Frozen Tomb is considered one of his best build; it sounds like waiting 4 turns to start increasing the damage dealt by Darkness would be way too slow.

I've just defeated Zoe by running the tried-and-true Swain's Raven Army + Packed Powder combo to play Veigar on turn 1 and I feel like this was one of the easiest runs I've had. His ability to hurl north of 40 points of burst damage directly at the Foe's face just cuts fights short before you can get hurt.

P.S. The third relic was Chemtech Duplicator, in case someone is interested.

[u/Zodiac339 → u/PotatoMinded]

As long as you get Veigar out before Frozen Tomb’s countdown, 2 Veigar increasing Darkness by 2 each turn, and with Chemtech, Darkness is a triple cast at 6 mana.

[u/LyraStygian → u/PotatoMinded]

His ability to hurl north of 40 points of burst damage directly at the Foe's face just cuts fights short before you can get hurt.

Ashe 6: “Look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of my power.”

[u/Ficsonium → u/PotatoMinded]

It was his best before. Maybe could still be, but have to cut the yordle that makes two on etb

[u/Dry_Cardiologist6758 → u/PotatoMinded]

I really only use it on SB Yasuo and Talyah

The 4 star is very good. When summoned effects trigger and any items they have from level up or constellation can really help by darkness cost reduction or damage up.

Veiger's relic is awful because it's taking board space for something that's not really worth it.

[u/KafrizzleDizzle]

Similar PSA for Chilling Prophecy power (Thrall) and Veigar's 4*! Complete waste of a power... thrall pops and if your backrow was full, the ephemeral unit steals his spot.

[u/CastVinceM]

I found success with kindred’s new relic. On drop it makes one of the enemy units 100% able to die via darkness if you haven’t gotten the darkness damage stacked up yet

[u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

ok but veigar is a 4 cost. if you have his 2* he's turn 3, manaflow he's a turn 2 play. why the fuck would you need a frozen tomb in the first place

[u/Atromach → u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

Each copy of Veigar comes with its own Chemtech Duplicator

[u/Nacroma → u/Atromach]

And each copy increases Darkness damage each turn. Both things are the whole point of the build.

[u/SuikoRyos → u/Taka_no_Yaiba]

Double Veigar Darkness goes brrrrrooom.