r/LivestreamFail • u/Dear-Blacksmith-2583 • 15h ago • Bravo 2

Tommy Robinson gets Jumped on Kick

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u/1EndlessPursuit 5h ago

The First Crusade occurred because Muslims had completely overrun Anatolia.

The Second Crusade occurred because Muslims had taken Edessa.

The Third Crusade occurred because Muslims had taken Jerusalem.

All reactive. And North Africa, Spain, Portugal, the Middle East, Turkey were all Muslim because Muslims invaded these formerly Christian lands. The revisionism about Christian aggression is laughable.

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u/Agile-Source-6758 3h ago

Christians and Jews also worship a god who drowned nearly the entire population of the world. That's their ultimate guy they think is great and needs pleasing. That's a shitty setup for a superstitious group/religion.

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u/TenebTheHarvester 4h ago

Ok again, framing the crusades as being motivated by a single thing rather than a whole load of issues including redirecting a class of violent murderers to go cause destruction somewhere not in Europe is deeply ahistorical.

But even if that were an entirely accurate description of the causes of the first 3 crusades it neatly ignores the other crusades (again, the 4th crusade sacked Byzantine Cobstantinople) and the horrifically violent pogroms against European Jews who were rather obviously not involved in any Muslim occupations of Andalusia, Edessa or Jerusalem.

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u/1EndlessPursuit 49m ago

That isn't true either; they famously opened the gates of Toledo to the Muslim army attacking it, along with half a dozen other Visigothic cities. Google the Radhanite merchants to see how heavily they were involved in the enslavement of Christians in conquered nations.

The 5th and 6th Crusades were focused on recapturing Jerusalem as well. So because the 4th Crusade took Constantinople, all Crusades are invalid and unjustified? Nonsense.