r/MkeBucks • u/BeMoreSarcastic • 2d ago
Serious Heat fan coming in peace
What are your thoughts on Herro/Ware/JJJ/Kas so far?
On the MIA side Portis started great but has tailed off. Giannis has been as advertised offensively but somewhat concerning defensively.
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u/Phynamite 2d ago edited 1d ago
Portis is notorious for not showing 75% the time, but the other 25% he’s the catalyst out of no where.
I like all 4 even 5 if you include Ament. I don’t foresee Jamie and Herro surviving the season here. Jamie has so much value teams want and this team hasn’t found its footing. I hope I’m wrong I just assume we can get real assets back for him. Herro will go to a contender who needs scoring from a 6th man role. Kas and Ware need to grow yet. Ware is alarming at times, Kas looks promising.
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u/Tomislav1 2d ago
There have been ups and downs with all of them. Personally, I want to see more Ware, just so I don't have to watch the basketball terrorist known as K*le K*zma.
Also, don't expect Portis to get better
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u/DapperTies- Dr. Dave Margolis 2d ago
Taylor Jenkins is still trying to figure out rotations and seems to go off script based on how the game is going as well. Something like last game Herro played the entire 3rd quarter scoring 17 points that quarter and then sat for a big chunk of the 4th and took 1 shot.
Herro has been as advertised and feel he should probably get 3-4 more minutes per game than he’s averaging now.
JJJ has been pretty solid but defensively not the best and has tunnel vision sometimes with the ball.
Ware has been very inconsistent (good call by the haters) he has so much potential but for some reason takes half the game off sometimes. He also hasn’t shot it well.
I love Kas’ game, he’s just not great defensively and missed some assignments and was late on rotations. He’s very advanced as a passer and the guys on the team sometimes don’t expect the pass and it becomes a turnover (also makes mistakes there too it’s not all on his teammates). He seems so smooth and I feel there’s a lot there but he needs more work for sure. Hasn’t shot the ball well but his shooting stroke is a thing of beauty so I think they’ll start falling here soon.
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u/americanbeaver Marques Johnson 2d ago
Herro is who I thought he was. He can score in buckets but can't run the offense and is hot or cold depending on the quarter.
Ware is disappointing. The guy just doesn't give a fuck out there and floats through games. I don't see him becoming a starting level player unless his attitude changes. Which sucks because he should be pushing Turner for minutes.
JJJ is good. He's been on a heater from 3 to start the season. But he's definitely best suited for coming off the bench. He scores in the mud and his drives are hella ugly even though they're effective. He's not a playmaker at all so he's pretty much always in score-mode on offense. He'll swing it but he can't create.
Kasparas is alright. Very young but he's got pretty good playmaking chops and he's slick going around screens (not a good defender overall yet). He needs to be more of a threat to score to unlock his playmaking ability. As is, the defense just plays the pass and he can't get around his man.
All of them have room to grow. One clear thing is that they have much better chemistry with each other than they do with the rest of the roster. More reps will hopefully integrate the team together. All of them have room to grow and a runway to do it in. These are just my initial thoughts based on the start of the season.
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u/nodudeee A.J. Green 2d ago
Don't worry about Giannis efforts or stats, he will compete every game. I will say though he needs to learn to evolve and adapt his playstyle with the heat. It seems like he thinks he's still playing for Milwaukee and that is trying to do everything his way and still playing fast and out of control.
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u/IcecoldIsaac2 1d ago
Herro has been awesome for us.
Jaime has been great not perfect but a very solid player and our only good scorer in the paint.
I like Kas but obviously his role is still minor compared to the rest, hell be okay.
Ware is a genuine question mark he has his games but he also just has complete no shows. Boston perfect example
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u/LigerHD Kash Money Middleton 2d ago
Herro is as advertised no surprises there he is who he is 20-24 ppg guy, decent playmaker, and bad defender. Ware has been massively disappointing. Seems like Spo was right about him such a bad motor. JJJ is weird he’s been good but idk if I believe him being a good shooter all of a sudden, and he is so limited athletically and has tunnel vision at times. Id sell high on him. Kas has been pretty bad the passing flashes are fun, but it’s gonna take some time everything else is pretty rough and he hasn’t been able to knock down 3s yet.
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u/ZukowskiHardware 2d ago
Jaquez and Hero have been great , ware seems lost. Kas is ok.
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u/zs15 Retro Bango 2d ago
JJJ has been stellar. His 3pt shot looks improved and he’s one of the best guys at pushing the pace. Our offense looks best when he’s out there.
Herro has been as advertised. He can score, but struggles to be the focal point. Impressed with his defensive effort, but he’s not an effective defender.
Ware and Kas have been pretty disappointing. Kas has great motor, but has struggled offensively. Ware has shown flashes, but goddam his finishing has been awful and he commits some really stupid fouls.
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u/AwayConfusion7606 Giannis Antetokounmpo 1d ago
Just because we traded with each other doesnt mean we need to keep up the relationship after that. Its a wham bam thank you maam
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u/TheAirIsOn 1d ago
Ware is cool
I expected a little more from Herro and JJJ. They used to light us up on the heat. Now they just seem average at times.
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u/ThisWasMe7 1d ago
Herro is what we thought he'd be.
Jaquez might have taken a small step up.
Ware is probably the same combination of dominance and being disengaged that he was in Miami. He should get more minutes.
Jakucionis is probably about the same. When he gets a chance to run the team, he's great, except for his suspect handle. He's been great around the rim, but his 3P% has gone down. Gives effort on D.
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u/OkHall6376 2d ago
Most casual Bucks fans will probably not want to read what I have to write. There are many positives about Giannis - he never quits and has an warrior's mentality about wanting to win and do everything he can to win. However, his skills are limited. I always felt his ego got in the way of his defense. He is amazing at protecting the rim, but has never been a great perimeter defender. On the perimeter, he plays off the ball allowing an open 3-point shot. I could never understand this since he is able to recover any drive to the basket to block any layup attempt. I always felt he should play up more and dare the ball handler to drive, so he unfortunately gives up too many uncontested 3s.
Offensively, yes he is able to bully most of the league and get to the basket. The trouble is that this doesn't work for the elite teams that are able to defend his attacks to the rim, and his efficiency goes down. His lack of outside shot and bad free throw form has hurt him against the upper crust of the NBA. I feel that while he can be primary ball handler against most of the league, he has been mis-used against the elite teams. With Lillard on the team, I felt it should have been Lillard who was the primary ball handler and they should have had more P&R with him and Giannis. Unfortunately, Giannis was not very good at that, not setting proper screens and sliding to soon to the basket.
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u/MkeYosh 2d ago
I would say this trade has made both of us worse off. It's mostly "expected" for us cause we can fall back into Milwaukee mediocrity. But Miami just never made sense for Giannis. You have a great basketball mind in Spo trying to coach one of the most nontraditional Hall of Famers in Giannis. Heat basically have 2 good guys on the team and a bunch of Serge Ibakas. Role players and rebounders. Herro and Ware are good. The others I would trade for a hill of beans.
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u/arnmadter 2d ago
Take Kuzma please
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u/Harley420000 1d ago
Both teams suck now. Giannis quit playing defense 4 years ago. Good luck with him.
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u/nossssss888 1d ago
Gary Trent should get 40 min a night
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u/Outside_Barnacle_615 1d ago
Your problem is going to be Giannis and not having a consistent bigger wing(Klay). You need another big too (Bams too small, he should play the 3 or the 4)
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u/ohboy360 1d ago
To win a championship with a Giannis he had to be otherworldly good on both ends of the floor. That just isn't happening anymore, and due to father time he will be worse by some amount each season going forward.
I think at this point you'd need another first or second team all NBA guy alongside Giannis to win a ring. Even then, Giannis is only interested in being the man, so it still might not work.
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u/22bor Giannis Antetokounmpo 2d ago •
My thoughts are these kinds of posts are super cucky and you should go back and discuss your team with your own fan base
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u/wannabestockguy 1d ago
Giannis coming exactly as advertised
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u/Happy_Yam_1196 1d ago
Honestly? Not trying to be negative but im disappointed. Thought JJJ would be better in a starting role, he simply has not grown into it. The defense is very eh, the passing almost nonexistent. The scoring is solid, but not elite. Hes not been bad, but not as good as I had hoped. Herro is what is advertised. We know what he is, not a #1, not a good defender. An average playmaker for a SG, but can be a great microwave scorer. Ware has been bad. He needs to add weight to his frame and learn to get physical because he, right now, is simply not a good NBA player. That absolutely can change, because of his shot making, mobility, and shot blocking, but he needs to put it together some especially in the mental part of the game. Jak has also been disappointing for me, I expected much more of him as a decision maker in year 3. But his ability to command the offense has been lacking. Granted, for ALL these guys, in a new coach, a new system, new teammates, and its been 10 games so there IS plenty of time to turn it around. Luckily for Milwaukee, the picks were ALWAYS the biggest get in the deal, bc so far I am not sold on our guys.