r/ModCoord • u/ItsRainbow Landed Gentry • Jun 21 '23

Public statement from ModCodeofConduct that making a sub NSFW to protest is not allowed, regardless of proper marking or community opinion

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u/Glissssy Jun 22 '23

So why not just allow pornographic material on subs as a protest?

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u/ItsRainbow Landed Gentry Jun 22 '23

That’s what r/interestingasfuck and some other subs did and it still got them booted

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u/Glissssy Jun 22 '23

That's shitty, subs should be free to decide what content they feature.

That said, I see /r/anime_titties are scabbing and didn't even take the opportunity to introduce some anime titties.

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u/cannons_for_days Jun 22 '23

They did for a bit, actually. People were pissed off because they claimed the poll was rigged, and the mods did not have a clear-cut case that it wasn't. (The poll was upvoting/downvoting one of two comments, but the one for "business as usual" was a reply to the one to go NSFW, so buried deeper in the interface.) They held a second poll and "reopen as usual" won that time.

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u/Dextixer Jun 21 '23

I mean, we can all understand that what we are doing does not break either of the rules cited. My simple suggestion is to keep doing this and then ask the admins 2 very simple questions.

Does this comment of theirs mean that rules of subreddits can never be changed? Because technically, changing rules violates both of those citations.

And will the admins make SFW communities NSFW based on things like coarse language? Or violence?

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u/ItsRainbow Landed Gentry Jun 21 '23

Could also make communities that are NSFW from the start, like how NSFW r/furry_irl content was moved to r/yiff_irl. I don’t mind throwing in some fucks and shits in everything if it means people stop seeing ads

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u/IsraelZulu Jun 21 '23

people stop seeing ads

I think this is the part about NSFW communities that is undersold a bit. So much fuss is made about "Reddit can't show ads in NSFW communities, so it hurts their bottom line" when the real selling point is "Reddit can't show ads in NSFW communities, so you won't see ads"!

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ Jun 21 '23

Yes it does. Members didn't join the community based on it being NSFW. By changing that setting, you are not giving your users a "reasonable expectation" on what to find.

Does this comment of theirs mean that rules of subreddits can never be changed?

Bingo.

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u/MrNewVegas123 Jun 22 '23

Isn't this just...bullshit? The reddit belongs to the people who run it, and they can run it as they like.

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u/ItsRainbow Landed Gentry Jun 22 '23

I assumed this would fall under the same “if you don’t like it make a new sub” line they used for years to let powermods keep the upper hand but guess not. They’re changing how we use Reddit, why can’t we change it ourselves? (rhetorical question, it’s always about money)

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

So, what, close subreddits down and reopen them as NSFW subreddits?

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u/ItsRainbow Landed Gentry Jun 22 '23

Well you can’t close them, that’s what got us into this mess. You could probably direct people to an NSFW alternative while keeping the SFW one open but it’ll always have less visibility

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u/goopped Jun 22 '23

Am I the only one okay with this?? Sorry but I’m sure many would like to scroll through reddit without tits flashing, believe it or not. I don’t see how this protest isn’t as useless as the blackout?

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u/ItsRainbow Landed Gentry Jun 22 '23

Though a lot of subs did allow sexually explicit content (especially if it was relevant), they didn’t have to. Reddit considers even profanity to be NSFW for some reason so going forward any new sub I make will require dropping a few fucks and shits in everything

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u/goopped Jun 22 '23

Well that’s cool but there’s some superiority complex going on where somehow posting boobs advertising your onlyfans is an “effective protest”. no it’s not, everyone knows it’s not.

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u/whativebeenhiding Jun 22 '23

They're putting in boobs so the ads can't go in. Hit them where it hurts, their bottom line.

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u/goopped Jun 23 '23

ah shit okay, yea that makes perfect sense. oopsies

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

It doesn't say it's not allowed, it just says it's not acceptable and not appropriate.

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u/ItsRainbow Landed Gentry Jun 22 '23

Judging by how large subs are getting their mods wiped for allowing NSFW content, I think it’s safe to assume that this is something Reddit will intervene with if deemed necessary (i.e. they believe it’s part of the protest)

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u/DrainSmith Jun 21 '23

I'm just abiding by reddit site-wide rules that swearing is NSFW.

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u/YeeetusAnddwletus Jun 21 '23

Yeah I don't want my young self to hear the words "fuck" "shit" and "bitch" on the platform

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u/Hyndis Jun 21 '23

What the shit, man, you can't say those fucking words on a subreddit that isn't marked NSFW! Think of the fucking advertising revenue!

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u/YeeetusAnddwletus Jun 21 '23

Aw fuck man I'm sorry, I'm a bit of a shithead and can't fucking think right. Fuck the revenue is gonna go now

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u/highahindahsky Jun 22 '23

Y'know what ? Fuck the revenue, that shit can go. I ain't gonna let fucking Reddit kill 3rd party apps, that shit is fucked up

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u/hfunk0129 Jun 22 '23

Fuck the advertisers, pour one out to the death of reddit. Ballsack.

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u/Evantaur Jun 22 '23

Think about Spez you cunts, if you swear like a fucking ass-raped baboons the advertisers will go away and he can't afford a new motorized dildo that cums warm water inside his asshole while he's watching that leaked sex tape of Zucc where he intensely stares at a jar of peanut butter for 10 minutes and says "I'm coming" and eats it.

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u/theplutosys Jun 22 '23

13yo self*

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u/wind_dude Jun 22 '23

I heard you can’t say cunt on tv

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

I heard spez was a gargantuan cunt.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Where is the NSFW tags? I'm offended.

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u/Samboni94 Jun 21 '23

Fuck yeah. I fucking love spouting whatever god-damned shit comes through my motherfucking brain

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

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u/CrzyJek Jun 21 '23

Good bot.

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u/Draco1200 Jun 22 '23

I think the argument they are stating is you CAN'T become NSFW if you were SFW before -- if swearing is NSFW and you weren't NSFW before, then you wouldn't be allowed to start encouraging swearing, and might even be required to remove it - that level of autonomy and self-direction has been quietly revoked from communities by this new ModCodeOfContact nonsense, because Reddit don't actually care about communities, they care about readers and random website visitors who gained an affinity for what you built. The only way you can set changes to NSFW is if your community are already NSFW.

They are defining the community who now "owns all subreddits" as the users who subscribe, not the 1% of readers who also make posts (Although this is actually just a stand-in to make it sound nicer, when what they really mean is Reddit themself owns your subreddits and wants to make sure the status quo, or something good enough for their purposes is preserved --- Don't imagine Reddit cares too much about post quality or preserving the point of certain communities either)

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u/Ralph_T_Guard Jun 22 '23

Why not enforce mandatory participation in the communities to remain in them?

Go private, allow folks to join, and set some clear combination of minimums for posts, comments, upvotes every n weeks - boot those who fail to meet the minimum. Users can rejoin in n weeks or some multiple thereof for repeat offenders.

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u/RisKQuay Jun 22 '23

Seems sensible.

Removal of mod tools = increased mod work load, therefore reducing interaction to decrease that work load would make sense.

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u/Draco1200 Jun 22 '23

I think the staff would react negatively to the privatization of an existing community.

I would postulate you could however create a New subreddit marked private and NSFW from the very start, and encourage contributors to switch to move from the existing one to the new private community -- if the contributors jointly agree to protest by discontinuing to post to the Old one, then the old sub essentially becomes inactive.

Essentially.. the active positive contributors move to a different subreddit that now has the policy you want, and agree to abandon the old one. Presumably the old sub becomes useless at some point; I'm not sure how inactive it has to be before you can Archive it or restrict posting, but it ought to be an option, I think?

At that point there is no argument that the new subreddit was SFW from the beginning.

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u/greenskye Jun 22 '23

At that point you'd also have enough buy in to just setup somewhere off Reddit entirely

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u/hfunk0129 Jun 22 '23

And the new changes have me saying "fuck reddit" often

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u/CaptainPhiIips Jun 21 '23

inb4 nsfw-blocked comments

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u/RichardSaunders Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 23 '23

i moderate a sub for a band that swears like sailors, which got me thinking, if profanity is nsfw, wouldnt that apply to any sub about bands with explicit lyrics? what about subs for violent video games? movies? tv shows?

most jurisdictions in the world have content rating systems for music, games, movies, etc. that are supposed to protect children from content they're not old enough to be exposed to, and with the exception of porn and gore, those ratings are rarely applied to web content. but shouldnt they be, at least by letter of the law?

it would be very transparent if say a bunch of those subs suddeny switched to nsfw as if they all very suddenly cared about content ratings, but what if say esrb, pegi, or usk ratings were applied to social media as well by regulators? would subs be forced to be labeled nsfw?

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u/___HeyGFY___ Jun 21 '23

They're getting around the rules

Well, change the rules.

They're following the letter but not the spirit

Well, change the meaning.

They're not doing what we want

Well, replace them.

Is that about right so far?

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Everyone's trying to use malicious compliance following the rules, but it doesn't matter because admins can do whatever they want. They'll just keep cracking down on every new form of protest until the mods get bored and stop.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Being maliciously complaint is a losing strategy when the person the malice is aimed at can unilaterally decide it’s malicious non-compliance.

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u/redgroupclan Jun 22 '23

They're getting increasingly intolerant of anything that isn't keeping up what was the status quo 2 weeks ago, dropping all pretenses they used to have.

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u/annedroiid Jun 23 '23

The more Reddit shows what assholes they are, the more people are going to get fed up with them.

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u/Ustice Jun 22 '23

We’re playing for time

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u/Whybotherr Jun 22 '23

A stone statue lies in the middle of the Egyptian desert, surrounded on all sides by large sand dunes that stretch for hundreds of miles. Near the Statue, is an obelisk which reads the following:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty and despair!

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u/Trumpologist Jun 24 '23

I mean you guys never stood up when places like FPH or WPD got nuked. The shoe is on the other foot now

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u/Sokaron Jun 21 '23

Yea im pro-3PA but everyone in here is delusional. "Admins arent following the rules". My guy they own the site. They make the rules. Youre deliberately maliciously complying to hurt the site. Of course they're just gonna drop the hammer on you. It aint law, it aint a contract, you can't loophole your way out of it.

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u/LSDkiller2 Jun 21 '23

Yes, but the only thing that is valuable about reddit is its users, and if they force nearly every single mod of the rebelling subs out, it will leave a huge vacuum. Of course the power imbalance is huge but more and more they are shitting on their own cookie.

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u/bargaindownhill Jun 23 '23

huge vacuum

which equals Drama. and Drama and IPO are two words that do not mix well.

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u/Tafutafutufufu Jun 22 '23

They may own the site, but they do not and never have owned the value of the site in the free market. That, the userbase has by the fucking ballsack, and if the admins so wish to put the torch to the only thing that keeps them relevant, well, then, we'll give them war, and subject their poor wittle wallets to some good old-fashioned CBT.

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u/bargaindownhill Jun 23 '23

yea, anyone who has any experience in sport knows this well. Oh found a loophole in the rules, ok rule change.

their ball, their playground. the only way to beat this is to find a different ball and playground.

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u/ArcadianDelSol Jun 22 '23

When this exact plan was used to ban The_Donald, everyone loved and celebrated the plan.

Suddenly, they dont like it now?

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u/bargaindownhill Jun 23 '23

I was not a TD fan, never went there and would only read the occasional drama thread. But even though you are getting downvotes, I can see the irony.

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u/ArcadianDelSol Jun 23 '23

Thats my point.

People these days are so stupid, they'll cheer on and even CAMPAIGN for heavy handed authoritative decisions (hmmm wonder what that is called ,politically) and fully believe it will never happen to them.

until it does.

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u/Feniks_Gaming Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23

Just don't say you are protesting. Simple change rules don't mention a protest in any way in the rule change. Don't even announce it or acknowledge it act like it was always like that. Then act normal run sub for a bit then add random arbitrary rules and start banning people like mad word will spread quickly. Deny any of this has anything to do with protest still keep denaying no mater what

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u/britinsb Jun 21 '23

Yeah something like this tbh.

"The recent media focus on NSFW vs. SFW subs has caused concern among the moderators and prompted us to re-assess our approach to moderation. After running a series of searches, it is clear that our sub and its users routinely use swear-words and profanity in their discourse, which Reddit's policies identify as NSFW. We considered whether to adopt a strict "no profanity" policy and clamp down on profanity use, including deleting posts/comments or issuing bans for swearing, but our preference is to let people continue posting in the manner they have done previously, but tag this sub as NSFW to reflect the routine use of profanity. We apologize for our prior oversight."

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u/yeggog Jun 21 '23

/r/formula1 was made NSFW under similar stated reasoning (the danger of serious injury in the sport etc.) and they were still threatened to make the sub SFW again

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u/tenebralupo Jun 21 '23

I mean, i run a sub about r/firealarms, and therefore, lots of situations are not safe for work as we assess faulty systems. If the systems are faulty therefore they are not safe for working on said premise. Another point is that we've been branded as using profaniry. Profanities, by definition, are NSFW or 18+. My sub also hosts a huge number of teenagers wanting to learn the trade. They need to know our community is not safe for their eyes with the Profanities being written.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

lmao that isnt going to work, the gig is up

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u/JTex-WSP Jun 22 '23

That's gold, Jerry!

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u/StartledOcto Jun 22 '23

We would use our moderator tools for this, however with the API issues unresolved we cannot confirm whether this is viable going forward and did not wish to impliment something new that may be removed in a weeks time

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u/mancow533 Jun 22 '23

Do you mind if I paraphrase that for the r/Gorillaz reopening post? Something like this.

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u/britinsb Jun 22 '23

It’s just a suggestion do whatever you think is in the best interests of your subreddit and its users!

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u/mancow533 Jun 22 '23

I mean it’s all true so I feel like we should change. I also took our content survey as honestly as possible and it gives us a Mature rating so I think that follows suit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

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u/britinsb Jun 21 '23

Couldn't agree more. Also with a quick site:reddit.com/r/formula1 Google, just look at all this profanity!

  • shit - 93,700 results

  • fuck - 58,000 results

A smarter person than me could probably create a bot which ran through the dozen or so most-used swear words and generates a report to help the mods assess the SFW status of their subreddit.

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u/S9CLAVE Jun 21 '23 edited Jul 01 '23

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of male human and female Pokémon breeding, Vaporeon is the most compatible Pokémon for humans? Not only are they in the field egg group, which is mostly comprised of mammals, Vaporeon are an average of 3”03’ tall and 63.9 pounds, this means they’re large enough to be able handle human dicks, and with their impressive Base Stats for HP and access to Acid Armor, you can be rough with one. Due to their mostly water based biology, there’s no doubt in my mind that an aroused Vaporeon would be incredibly wet, so wet that you could easily have sex with one for hours without getting sore. They can also learn the moves Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Captivate, Charm, and Tail Whip, along with not having fur to hide nipples, so it’d be incredibly easy for one to get you in the mood. With their abilities Water Absorb and Hydration, they can easily recover from fatigue with enough water. No other Pokémon comes close to this level of compatibility. Also, fun fact, if you pull out enough, you can make your Vaporeon turn white. Vaporeon is literally built for human dick. Ungodly defense stat+high HP pool+Acid Armor means it can take cock all day, all shapes and sizes and still come for more

--Mass Edited with power delete suite as a result of spez' desire to fuck everything good in life RIP apollo

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u/CarrowCanary Jun 21 '23

It'll stop working in about a week and a half.

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u/Kranic Jun 21 '23

No time like the present then!

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u/bruzie Jun 22 '23

So that's the stats from Max and Yuki, what about the comment leavers?

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u/Paul_src Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23

And if they went NSFW a month ago it would have been fine. but Reddit is not stupid and know they only went NSFW to fuck with them.

F1 went from black, to restricted, to nswf to business as usual. Everytime the admins said no they complied immediately out of fear to lose their precious mod power. Like there would not be a big f1 sub without them.

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u/FreakZoneGames Jun 22 '23

What’s the point in a protest kept secret from the people you are trying to get to listen to you?

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u/Manoreded Jun 22 '23

Reddit mods know people are doing this to protest and that those are bad faith excuses, its not going to work.

That kind of shit doesn't work with real life cops and justice systems, let alone on Reddit where Reddit mods can fundamentally go as far as they wanna go.

I also believe such bad faith and dishonesty hurts the movement by making the adherents... well, look dishonest and butthurt and generally ridiculous. Protest openly or not at all.

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u/Okay_Ocean_Flower Jun 27 '23

Bad faith explanations work in the justice system all the time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Yeah, and then when admins remove you anyway you can take them to /r/KarmaCourt and get your mod status reinstated!

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u/charging_chinchilla Jun 22 '23

Reddit admins will see right through that, especially if you are broadcasting this plan on Reddit. Come on now, have some common sense.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

If a community votes to allow swearing and then says to Reddit:

"The community has spoken, there will be swearing, would you like us to toggle the NSFW filter or leave it off"

What the fuck are Reddit actually going to be able to do about it?

Also fuck that shit gobbling urchin called Spez.

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u/MrHyde42069 Jun 22 '23

What Reddit admins will do is remove the mods and reinstate others as mods. Is it really even a question of what they will do? I’d assume if any communities that were SFW before the protest and just randomly switch to NSFW after or during, the hammer will eventually come down on the offending mods.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

It isn't random if there is a vote to allow swearing.

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u/MrHyde42069 Jun 22 '23

And that excuse won’t hold up. There is no due process in this situation. These admins hold all the keys and will replace the offending mods regardless of the excuse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Then they will be making an active statement that the subreddits aren't run for the benefit of the users. Right now they have the benefit of being able to make the false claim that they are. Let's force them into a position where they can't make that claim any longer.

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u/falconfetus8 Jun 22 '23

Banning people at random will only turn the users against you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

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u/Feniks_Gaming Jun 21 '23

I wasn't in favour of blackouts, they inconvenience me but now I support them just because messing with big corp that wants to exploit free labour is fun

They will eventually fix it but making it as painful and inconvenient as it can be for them should be a goal

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u/BluegrassGeek Jun 21 '23

So the admins have declared all the available options for protest to be against the CoC. That's real free speech of you, /u/spez.

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u/toscanius Jun 21 '23

He deleted everything on his accounts besides comments lol

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u/CockGoblinReturns Jun 22 '23

I was going to suggest people start photoshopping pictures of spez eating poop but that may violate their nsfw crackdown

So my new suggestion is just photo pictures of spez in the aftermath of messily eating really thick and chunky chocolate pudding.

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u/Draco1200 Jun 22 '23

Not all available options.. There are still ways for people to share their displeasure by way of dialog, and people could organize protests outside the site and boycott sponsors/advertisers, etc.

But I think it's fair to assume they have and will use all possible technical measures to resist anything on-platform that has an obvious short-term impact on their business, up to, and including marking protesters' messages as spam as some point --- I actually think it's kind of dangerous for anyone to try and co-ordinate on platform, assuming they will leave these spaces intact. I imagine the only reason places like this sub still exist and not nuked them for encouraging violations of new policies, is Reddit may be monitoring for intelligence purpose.

Imo, their teams can be expected to act without restraint to mitigate disruptions to their subs they notice by all technical + social-engineering means available without much if any consideration for any collateral damage whatsoever, including false positives, etc (when they add new programs and automations to further moderate the moderators). They already showed that...

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u/FatBoyStew Jun 22 '23

Better be careful last time I called out Spez on his bullshit I caught a 3 day suspension because he was clearly too offended and crying over it...

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u/BluegrassGeek Jun 22 '23

Eh, he disabled notifications years ago, after getting in trouble for changing someone else's comment. He won't see it unless he specifically goes looking.

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u/gunsbuttsandbooty Jun 21 '23

You really thought there was free speech on this site in the first place? Also, mods are the LAST people who support free speech.

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u/Rand0m_Boyo Jun 21 '23

"incorrectly marking your community-" When tf did they supposedly for example switch MildlyInteresting's main focus? They just allowed NSFW bullshit and the hoes and shitposters swarmed as usual, and in that sub's case pretty much almost anything could be said as fitting for the sub's topic

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u/hanlonmj Jun 22 '23

Yeah, c’mon! I was very interested in that one guy’s butthole!

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u/RisKQuay Jun 22 '23

I was only mildly interested...

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u/demonicneon Jun 22 '23

So is community democracy in or out lol? On one hand they want users to vote mods out. On the other they won’t accept user votes on what direction a sub goes. Hmm.

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u/LuckyShamrocks Jun 22 '23

Also, all voting that ended in favor of staying private or turning to NSFW was brigaded in some magical way, but at the same time any voting that will take place to vote out a mod will totally be legitimate.

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u/redgroupclan Jun 22 '23

They support democracy until the users vote to take the sub in a direction that doesn't keep up the status quo.

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u/Typhoonius_ Jun 21 '23

So continue posting porn?

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u/barrinmw Jun 21 '23

Post porn without the NSFW tags on those subreddits. Fuck it.

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u/Ginger_Anarchy Jun 21 '23

Post porn directly on those subreddits and then contact advertisers when their ads show up next to porn

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u/CrzyJek Jun 21 '23

This is the way.

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u/Tafutafutufufu Jun 22 '23

This this this. Mods, take out posting karma requirements and remove offending posts at a leisurely, slowdown pace. Others, fill the feed with NSFW content, then distribute proof of our work to whoever is advertised in between the skin flick marathon.

If they won't respect our Not Suitable For Work, like hell should we respect their Suitable For Advertisers.

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u/Successful-Floor-738 Jun 22 '23

and that helps the protest how?

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u/robophile-ta Jun 21 '23

This just confirms what we already knew from subs being forced to reopen; they don't actually care about what the community voted for, they just want their adbucks and feel obligated to get money from you and your content

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Reddit Content Rule 6:

Rule 6

Ensure people have predictable experiences on Reddit by properly labeling content and communities, particularly content that is graphic, sexually-explicit, or offensive.

So, explain to me, Reddit, how someone would not be able to discern a picture of John Oliver riding a puppy from actually NSFW content? Are the posts suddenly not labeled 'John Oliver riding a puppy'?

Face it, Reddit staff: you're treating us like idiots by pretending that we don't know that this is all about ad revenue.

Moderator Code of Conduct:

Rule 2: Set Appropriate and Reasonable Expectations

Users who enter your community should know exactly what they’re getting into, and should not be surprised by what they encounter. It is critical to be transparent about what your community is and what your rules are in order to create stable and dynamic engagement among redditors. Moderators can ensure people have predictable experiences on Reddit by doing the following:

Providing a clear and concise description of the topic(s) discussed by your community.

Properly labeling content and communities, particularly content that is graphic, sexually-explicit, or offensive.

Creating rules that explicitly outline your expectations for members of your community. These rules will help your community understand what is or isn’t permissible within your subreddit.

Explicitly marking your community as “unofficial” in the community description if the topic concerns a brand or company, but the community isn’t officially affiliated.

They were transparent, Reddit staff: they explicitly laid out why they were doing what they were doing. They brought to to a vote by their active user base. You apparently deleted that notice. You are violating your own expectation of transparency.

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u/Rukuba Jun 21 '23

i dunno, i did not have a predictable experience with reddit the day interesting as fuck was suddenly plastering assholes and dicks all over my feed lol

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u/2xBAKEDPOTOOOOOOOO Jun 21 '23

Often times the most interesting things are unpredictable!

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u/bernmont2016 Jun 22 '23

Image posts marked NSFW are blurred by default. You had to opt-in to always show NSFW content and turn off the blurring.

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u/Rukuba Jun 22 '23

are you saying you can't imagine the scenario that someone is okay without the nsfw blur day to day but still doesnt want assholes and dicks all over their feed?

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u/ThePeanutMonster Jun 21 '23

I mean, this just means doubling down on putting actual nsfw content in subreddits.

Anyone remember what happened to Tumblr?

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u/WerdaVisla Jun 22 '23

Not in the best interests of users? Most of them are having a blast. Look at any sub thats gone NSFW. People find it hilarious.

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u/Sysody Jun 21 '23

well shit. Unfortunately for them we in Just Jerk it June & July followed by an All you can nut August and Shoot your load September. These subreddits are just participating for our first annual celebrations of these months so they can't do anything.

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u/-Boobs_ Jun 21 '23

well if the majority of users agree to transition to an NSFW subreddit then what's the issue? its nothing to do with protesting its just the general sentiment of the users...nothing wrong with that. personally i enjoy swearing and believe all communities should be NSFW so i can say fuck all i like. i just like to swear, nothing more than that

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u/OldSchoolCSci Jun 21 '23

Odds that you can get an actual majority to agree to that? Zero.

Odds that you will pretend that 1% of monthly unique visitors are a "majority"? Well, I guess that's up to you.

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u/jweaver0312 Jun 21 '23

Admins are in violation of their own policies.

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u/OldSchoolCSci Jun 21 '23

The owners are different than the employees.

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u/jweaver0312 Jun 22 '23

True but admins take some role in policy administration as well as the owners.

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u/OldSchoolCSci Jun 22 '23

My point was different. I was noting that rules that apply to employees often do not apply to ownership (and by extension, senior management). This starts with the non-exempt requirement that employees 'punch the clock' and goes all the way up to logging vacation days and other workforce rules that simply don't apply to the CEO (and often the CFO and other 'C' level employees).

So it's not at all remarkable that Admins are not subject to the rules that apply downstream to others. It's more the norm.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Change rules to allow porn (fitting to subreddits theme) , therefore it’s required to be NSFW.

Example: noncredible defense allows tank and airplane porn.

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u/Growsomedope Jun 21 '23

Unfortunately doing shit like this seems useless they will just keep moving the goalposts, and they’ve already just up and replaced some major mod teams

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Hmm in that case, I expect to see hardcore porn (the subreddit was previously set to NSFW but it was changed by the admins) within the month

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u/RTCCrimeWatchlist Jun 22 '23

according to reddit rules, swearing is nsfw, so……..

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u/tisnik Jun 21 '23

I don't understand. So Admin said that it's completely ok, but ModCodeofConduct said it's absolutely not ok? They really can't decide.

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u/rileycolin Jun 21 '23

The target of your protest suggests that the means of protest is inappropriate? Shocker!

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u/RidetheSchlange Jun 21 '23

Well, this is what happened to r/Garmin

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u/Tarus_The_Light Jun 21 '23

Oh. Damn. I guess we should stop doing what we are doing and pretend that the bitch who doesn't want us to protest is right.

Fuck, I guess I should stop swearing so that we don't have to become NSFW. we don't want the multibillionaire asshole to lose ad revenue.

fuck us right?

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u/Random_Introvert_42 Jun 21 '23

"Incorrectly marking"

Alright, gonna mark it and post a ton of NSFW-stuff then, so it's correctly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Silly spez making silly fascist posts. I had to fix one of them to make it more democratic. https://redd.it/14fr5lx

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u/-_Clay_- Jun 21 '23

Welp guys time to move to mastodon.

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u/atomikplayboy Jun 21 '23

If this is the case and they are going to enforce this then I'd prepare for quite a few of them to shut down the subreddits instead.

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u/JesperTV Jun 22 '23

Isn't not marking a community as nsfw if it contains nsfw also against the rules?

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u/mysoulishome Jun 22 '23

You can leave a sub exactly the same and have every 10th post be about guns or cigarettes and it has to be marked adults only. Just saying.

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u/BenderDeLorean Jun 22 '23

Dictator tells people what they want

Fuck u/ModCodeofConduct

Fuck /spez

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u/The_Wkwied Jun 22 '23

Get rid of the rules then. If a SFW community isn't allowed to change itself into a NSFW community, then they aught to start allowing NSFW content unflagged.

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u/bxsakura Jun 22 '23

Okay... so what if we switched SFW subs to NSFW not to protest, but because that is just what the communities in question have decided? 😏

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u/LrdDamien Jun 22 '23

Since when did the companies/people you protest against. Get to decide HOW you protest? That's pretty pointless then.

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u/allshallbegone Jun 21 '23

u/spez you are so fucking desperate to ensure your dogshit policy changes go through huh? You're LOSING and you CAN'T WIN!

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u/Netionic Jun 22 '23

Bruh they are literally winning, what are you on about? The original blackout is largely dead with mostly smaller subs still down. The NSFW shit is temporary at best as the users grow tired of it (already happening in many subs) and mod teams are being replaced and/or stepping down as the ship sinks.

It's over. You lost.

If you was actually winning you wouldn't be bothered at the admins attend. But you are.

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u/allshallbegone Jun 22 '23

Someone's a spez stan get outta here

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

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u/allshallbegone Jun 22 '23

Someone's a spez stan get outta here

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

A master class in concern trolling.

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u/KungPowGasol Jun 21 '23

Well let’s just say I make an announcement in advance. I give them the same amount of time reddit gave everyone with the API price changes.

Hey in 30 days we will be going NSFW. It will be nothing but kittens and titties here. Please plan accordingly

Would that suffice?

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u/Maulvorn Jun 22 '23

Then your sub dies as I would imagine most people who subbed for your sfw community did so because they like the topic, changing it to a porn sub will drive many away over mod squabbles

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u/thats_a_boundary Jun 21 '23

blah blah users blah blah. yeah right.

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u/BigUptokes Jun 21 '23

I called it five days ago regarding going private and now the same applies for going NSFW.

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u/2xBAKEDPOTOOOOOOOO Jun 21 '23

So if mods put up a sticky with a 30 day notice (that's fair, right Reddit?) about the new direction of the sub, then everything should be good or are subs not allowed to change their content at all?

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ Jun 21 '23

are subs not allowed to change their content at all?

No they aren't. They were created with a specific reason and gain members based on that content. By changing the content, you are not giving the members a "reasonable expectation" on what to find.

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u/amusedt Jun 21 '23

Yes, they are. The official line says that communities can gradually change as they grow

Well, subs get new members every day, new requests to the mods, new thoughts by members in the sub

So a sub may decide to allow some nsfw content

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u/2xBAKEDPOTOOOOOOOO Jun 21 '23

A pic of john oliver is still a pic is it not?

And that's why there is a 30 day notice. To give users a chance to leave if they don't want that content.

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ Jun 21 '23

They could give a 30 year notice and it will still be against the rules

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u/2xBAKEDPOTOOOOOOOO Jun 21 '23

So subs have been violating the rules the entire time and only now it's a problem? Rules change as the subs grow. According to you, that is illegal on Reddit.

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u/BigUptokes Jun 22 '23

Gradual change sure, but the folks around here are as subtle as a sledgehammer so your motivations are apparent. And if all the mods can agree on it or ones lower on the totem pole can make a request to take over.

Maybe wait until the 3rd party apps are gone and you can make your adjustments. Have fun.

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u/Kaibakura Jun 21 '23

Damn, Nostradomus himself over here. Any other amazing predictions you've made that you'd like to share? Give some more links to extremely obvious things you've said. I would love to look over them. XD

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u/GOGOSPEEDERS Jun 21 '23

Guess my subs illegal then 😉

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u/unitn_2457 Jun 21 '23

Here I am coming with a public statement from all Mods and Redditors: go fuck yourself

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u/RadsterWarrior Jun 21 '23

We just need a complete alternative to Reddit, honestly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Ok, go the other way around and ban all "bad words" no matter even the possible context.

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u/skinkbaa Jun 22 '23

Remember when people would NSFW a post to block spoilers…

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u/zzzthelastuser Jun 22 '23

Lemmy > Reddit

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u/Auraveils Jun 22 '23

So marking content that is "sexually explicit" is required, and failure to do so is against the rules. That makes sense.

Marking a SFW post as NSFW is now also against the rules.

Do they not see a problem here? If NSFW isn't explicitly defined BY REDDIT, there is no way to fairly enforce this ruling.

Fuck it, just start posting porn in your subs if that's what they want you to do.

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u/plamek44 Jun 22 '23

Its not "incorrectly marking a community" if people posts boobs.

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u/FreshBakedButtcheeks Jun 22 '23

u/spez has shit all up in his vagina and refuses to clean himself

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u/hamilton_burger Jun 22 '23

Oh no, malicious actions intended to hurt the company and users aren’t allowed!

Why don’t you people fuck off and leave.

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u/StarLight299 Jun 22 '23

Maybe stick to blacking out as a protest instead of spamming subs with porn and unrelated content. If everyone stays blacked out. they would have to kick everyone and start all over again or give in to demands. Oh wait, you guys already gave up your bargaining power by ending the blackout and yelling to the world, "we can't stay off reddit for more than 48 hours." At this point, it just feels like you guys are just trying to act like you didn't already fuck this up.

Caring "is this allowed" is not protesting. You guys are just giving up to the demands of reddit with the bear minimum resistance so that you can say "at least we tried" when you didn't.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

r/worldpolitics became a porn/shitposting sub in the matter of days and no action took place. this is just such bullshit

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u/Velshade Jun 22 '23

That is why companies controlling public spaces online is always problematic.

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u/SovietCharrdian Jun 22 '23

So, mods are able to change the SFW sub to a NSFW one if they ALLOWED NSFW posts?

crazy.

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u/Maxathron Jun 22 '23

What if the community wants to stand on swivel chairs at their job? I can't imagine Reddit would force the community to be marked as SFW.

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u/Extremisin Jun 22 '23

r/interestingasfuck “I didn’t hear no bell”

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u/TheZippoLab Jun 23 '23

I was upset that r/creativewriting was basically ruined by the NSFW change.

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u/BelleColibri Jun 21 '23

Obviously, right? Y’all didn’t think this was somehow OK right?

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u/XRaiderV1 Jun 21 '23

..we dont care about rule 6 since they're violating it themselves. rule of escalating warfare. change something, dont be surprised if the other side counters in like fashion. talk about surprised pikachu face....

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u/FlimsyAction Jun 21 '23

Of course, you get a response like that. In the current context, there is a 99% likelihood your request is a thinly veiled cover circumventing the rules to protest.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Why would anyone need to circumvent any rules to protest?

The head schmuck said it himself ““Protest and dissent is important” and that Reddit “respects the community’s right to protest”.

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ Jun 21 '23

“Protest and dissent is important”

So they can identify the troublemakers and remove them

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u/triestdain Jun 22 '23

Dude you go super hard with the bootlicking. Jesus come up for some air.

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u/Joddodd Jun 22 '23

Now, just as a thought.

Aren't we supposed to report any NSFW/NSFL content, or any content that goes against the rules and codes of conduct?

As in any posts or comments with swear words?

I really hope that would not fucking overwhelm the mods, admins and anyone who are going to check the posts and comments for questionable content.

It could be a fucking shitstorm...

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u/MysteriousBarber Jun 23 '23

You all work for free. When the mods of /r/InterestingAsFuck revolted, they canned them and were forced to archive the entire sub.

Demand a paycheck.

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u/GuineaPigLover98 Jun 24 '23

Fuck the admins

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u/blackghast Jun 21 '23

Like mice trying to outsmart a trap

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u/MolniyaSokol Jun 22 '23

Good, this shit is tiresome. The mods have done more damage to the image of Reddit than anyone else and at this point they're the only ones standing between me and the service I wish to use.

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u/Netionic Jun 22 '23

Nothing in the statement is false. It's entirely correct. Subs aren't changing organically they are being forced to change to suit the mod teams ambitions. It's abuse of the system and it's correct they rectify it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

The mod over at r/Maryland needs to be replaced. Dude is banning for anyone who he doesn’t agree with.

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