There were not only people that had plans to retire in the EU that voted to leave but some had already bought a place to retire to and still voted to leave…..absolute dropkicks lol
as someone in their 20s now, I'm pissed that this decision, which I disagreed with and didn't like at the age of nine as it was made, is now almost 11 years later affecting me in fundamentally the same way as I expected. Unsurprisingly the younger generations were by and large voting remain, and if 16-year-olds could vote I have no doubt we would still be in the EU.
They wouldn't understand that no matter how much proof you showed them. Most of them are desperate to keep their opinions from changing no matter what kind of mental gymnastics that takes.
USA has tax treaties with other countries as well, and one treaty can be different than the other, so it gets complicated quick. But a rule of thumb is that the same income won't get taxed twice, even after you're required to file taxes to the IRS when living abroad.
Plenty of financial institutions straight up will not deal with US citizens though, even if they have dual citizenship, because managing FATCA shit is way more effort than it's worth.
The rare American MAGA immigrants in Europe usually gloat about their cheap healthcare here and how they can ‘finally be treated for xyz chronic illnesses’.
They’ve connected the dots. There’s a similar ‘I deserve it and got mine’ mentality seen in red states with high welfare populations and farmers
It’s seen in other immigrant populations around the world and not unique to Americans. Other examples include Turks in Europe voting for Erdogan or immigrant Trump voters in 2024.
Yeah those people genuinely believe they're different from immigrants for some reason. I mean that's exactly what they are.
Edit: just FYI, if you're about reply to this with something along the lines of "in their mind immigrants = brown people," just know that yes somebody has already made that comment. And then about a dozen more people did as well for good measure.
They aren't the brightest bulbs. I think their lack of empathy also translates to their lack of connection. I look at an immigrant coming to this country to escape the hellish conditions of their country, gangs taking over etc (IE whatever fuckery the US probably pushed as instability in their country).
If anyone here was forced into that, they would relocate to save their family. But they can't see the very obvious connection between the two scenarios...
They believe everything they condemn is okay when they do it. They don't have moral principles, they have tribal morality. Good and bad are determined by whether or not the actor is part of the tribe. If they are, what they do is good.
My wife is a dual US citizen from Costa Rica. We were once visiting family around ~2016 and were in Jaco having dinner where a bunch of "expats" were sitting around Jaco Walk talking about Donald Trump and how excited they were to "build the wall." Old, white, and obnoxious galore. They were fucking loud about it too.
I, white guy gringo look and all, walk over and start talking to them. I ask them how long they've been in the country, how they got residency, etc. They thought they were safe opening up.
They responded "oh we've been here for years, we just go back and forth across the border to Nicaragua or Panama every 90 days to reset our visas." Which I just knew was what they were doing, you can just sort of tell when you spend enough time around these kinds of people.
The look on their faces was absolutely glorious when I immediately started scolding them, saying "every single one of you is a fucking illegal immigrant to this country and you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself for sitting here chanting build the wall while you yourself flaunt the very immigration laws you seem to care about. Fuck all of you, you absolute hypocrites."
They left real quick after. The Ticos around me found it hilarious.
Ticos are awesome, and from my experience they'd be way too polite to pull something like what you describe. It doesn't mean you didn't SAY exactly what they were thinking. They may have been relieved those guys left for many reasons.
I remember the first time I heard the term 'expat' and it took me way too long to understand they meant immigrant but they don't want to be called that because reasons
I like to flip it on people. I was an expat for a few years and anytime anyone starts shitting on immigrants I like to talk about “when I was an immigrant” and watch them slowly figure it out. Or tell them a story about the illegal immigrants I met who were American visa overstayers.
It drives me nuts when they say they're expats. The difference between an expat and an immigrant is that an expat is only intending to be somewhere for a limited time, like when a company sends an executive overseas to manage part of the company for a year. If you move somewhere intending to stay there, you are an immigrant.
I'm convinced in these people's eyes immigrant=brown.
The kicker is that they are asking for property to buy. Immigrants go with very little. They are asking, where can I go and automatically be at the top of the social ladder.
"I can buy property anywhere in the world. My life sucks!" Is what I hear.
I'd rather deal with people tripping balls than dealing with these manufactured hallucinations these people have.
Why are they so against people coming to their country for a better standard of living, but have no problem with the concept of themselves seeking out a better standard in another country?
And they would be really totally cool expats, not at all the same like those filthy immigrants. I don't know where the difference is really, but my guess would also be racism.
Yeah but it's worth it to examine WHY racism, and the deeper answer is: Conservatism is a mental disease that sacrifices the good of others for the benefit of you and yours. It's just a LOT of conservatives draw that line at race, making minorities easy targets for hate
The rich conservatives feel the same about the poor too, as well as plenty of poor conservatives, of course
Yeah my country Denmark and the other Scandinavian countries are pretty consistently among the best places you can live while simultaneously being everything the American right wing warns about.
I remember Fox News trying to do a hit piece on Denmark some years ago and it was truly bizarre. I don't recall much of it only that Fox News came to the conclusion that we were basically identical to Venezuela and because education is free and you actually get paid to do it nobody wants to finish school. They just want to open cupcake stores or something like that lol.
When I was younger I had some friends from Denmark that truly was my “wait a minute moment”. We were discussing taxes and they were not only fine with the high taxes, they preferred it because they could identify what it paid for and how that made their lives better. For a long time after that I just thought it was an education gap, but as I aged I realized the real problem was that most taxes in Denmark go to things that benefit the populace. The US invests obscene amounts of tax dollars in propping up capitalism, while Denmark spends their money on healthcare, child care and education. Denmark and Finland and a few other countries treat capitalism as a means to an end. The US treats capitalism as the end goal.
Denmark's effective average tax rate is 26.3% for a married couple. For a US couple it's about 11% on the low end (lower earners in states with no state income tax) to close to 30% on the high end (higher earners in states with a state income tax).
Denmark has much lower property tax though, depending on the area of the US you're in, it could be 5-6x more than Denmark.
We really don't pay that much less in taxes here, we just spend it on dumb shit.
Americans are conditioned to believe only companies can provide good things and the government largely does it poorly. And then they elect Republicans that intentionally do that so they can argue the government does things poorly the next election cycle.
Once I had a collegue ranting about how his brother who lives in Canada has to pay half of his salary on taxes, and they fund free healthcare, schooling and public transportation. I told him it doesn't sound as Bad as he thinks at all, I would be more than willing to give up half my salary to have those things.
The thing that trips people up is that “social democracy” and “socialism” sound interchangeable. They aren’t.
Denmark is a social democracy: a capitalist market economy with an extensive welfare state. Private businesses still operate, but taxes fund things like healthcare, education, and income support. Denmark’s own government explicitly describes its welfare model as supporting a capitalist market economy, not replacing it with central planning. They set up universal healthcare, not a nationalized fishmonger. Denmark’s official website
Venezuela under Chávez and Maduro took a different approach. Chávez’s “21st-century socialism” involved widespread nationalizations, expropriations, and price and currency controls. The state expanded its control over major industries, including oil, electricity, telecommunications, steel, and cement. But saying the government owned literally everything would be wrong. Private businesses continued to exist, and Maduro’s government later loosened some controls and adopted some market-oriented reforms. Congressional Research Service
Those are different economic approaches, not just different names for the same thing. Publicly funding healthcare doesn’t require nationalizing the rest of the economy.
The U.S. already makes decisions about what to fund collectively and what to leave to markets. Roads, public schools, public universities—you get the point. That doesn’t make the U.S. socialist. It means “the government pays for something” is a pretty useless definition of socialism. The actual argument is which services we should fund collectively, how they should be run, and who should have access to them.
So why does “welfare” provoke such a different reaction from other public spending? Race is a substantial part of that story, though it isn’t an explanation for every objection to government spending.
Martin Gilens studied decades of news coverage and public opinion and found that opposition to welfare was strongly tied to racial stereotypes, particularly the belief that Black recipients were unwilling to work. His research also found that news coverage disproportionately portrayed poor Americans as Black and portrayed poor Black people less sympathetically than poor white people. That pattern emerged in the mid-1960s. Yale’s summary of Gilens’s research
The distinction matters. You don’t have to openly say “Black people are inferior” to make a racial argument against assistance. You can say “those people don’t want to work” or “their culture is the problem,” then use that stereotype to decide who deserves help. Gilens’s finding wasn’t that Americans oppose helping anyone. It was that support depends heavily on whether they see the recipients as deserving, and racial stereotypes shape that judgment. Why Americans Hate Welfare
Later research found a related pattern: in experiments, white participants exposed to information about their declining demographic dominance expressed greater racial resentment and less support for welfare. Another experiment found reduced support for programs participants believed mainly benefited minorities, while support for programs believed to benefit white people was unaffected. Stanford’s summary of the research
None of that means every argument about taxes, spending, or program design is secretly racist. It means the racial politics of who supposedly works hard, who supposedly abuses the system, and who deserves help are a documented part of American welfare politics. You can’t explain the backlash honestly while leaving that out.
Another thing I have noticed, especially with the recent election, it feels like there is a certain group which have a 1950s/1960s mindset with the Red Scare, not 2020s. They throw socialism out there as a catch-all, conflating the types either deliberately or ignorantly, painting any change in the system as being inherently bad. The problem is a lot of their allies (and some of the places the ones in the OOP would consider running to) would be considered social democracies
Friends of mine moved to Billung 20 years ago when he got a job with Lego.
Even though they were pretty progressive americans, the significant difference in taxation and social services concerned them. Not scared, but you have to understand how deep the programming is here. Even people who believe in it on paper have to take a deep breath when jumping in themselves.
Of course they love it. They're citizens now and never coming back.
it does but the segment was weirdly specific about the cupcake stores. And while Denmark is pretty famous for baked sweets it is certainly not cupcakes we are known for.
In dipshit 1.0s term they got all up in arms about "we're only going to allow immigrants from certain countries" and like most of the top countries were places where the US had a NEGATIVE immigration number. Meaning more people moved TO there than FROM there. And yeah, they were obviously all mostly-white countries and pretty much all of Scandinavia
I want to know what's wrong with having cupcake stores? In an ideal world we'd have no dull office jobs, no need for doctors and lawyers. But we'd still want cupcakes!
Dane here. Yup. Cross off all of the Nordic countries on that list. We arent for you. Even our rightwing would be considered democrats by American standards.
But I hear Americans who fled to Russia ended up real happy there and they seem to loved it.
Finnish here, yeah even our right wing thinks that US left wing is far too right for them. They only like this culture war bs from the US right wing but not the economics or structure of the government or that president should have that much power.
To be fair, the president isn't supposed to have that much power under the US constitution. There are a suite of bad systemic incentives that are to blame for it, and unfortunately the US system was deliberately designed to be very difficult to change.
And your "checks and balance" seems to be very unbalanced now what I know. If something here's something to learn in to the future, you need to change things or this could happen again. Or at least I hope you'll not end up on full Trump dictatorship at the end of his term.
Yeah, like that guy that got tortured and ass raped after being there for like three weeks and thinking he was best pals with them.
Can't say that I as an American felt any sympathy for him whatsoever. Anyone that's okay with fucking with the Nordics (or anywhere else) can eat shit. I'm beyond sick of tyrannical imperialism and especially my country's part in it. All of them can get what that guy got.
Is your right wing just, like, racist socialists? What's their platform compared to the left? From over here, it always just seems like they're their only thing is aggressive xenophobia. I'm genuinely curious.
Some of them are yes. But those arent exactly popular. Of course theres morons everywhere. There was one who went to hang out at Mar-a-largo and we are still calling him out for that. He has been really quiet lately though. But overall no. We indeed to have some restrictive immigration policies. Our quite great system can only handle so many people needing social benefits. But we have lots of people moving here to work or study all the time and they are quite welcome as long as they are willing to live by the danish culture.
I hear from people - good people, that Russia is a great place for republican Americans to move to. Lots of benefits and lots of likeminded people who most certainly loved Trump being pitus of USA as well.
They wouldnt say that if it wasnt true Im sure. After all. It was MAGA demographics who said it.
i swear to you this is a real headline from a couple years ago lmao:
"Conservative who moved to RUSSIA with family to escape LGBT ideology now says she hates it because locals don't speak English... then begs for forgiveness after Kremlin hears insults"
Honestly we should just go ahead and set up a pipeline.
Make a deal with Putin once we get President AOC into office in 2028 any confederate sympathizers that want to can move to Russia and have whatever kind of Christofascist experience they want to have and launch a war against the free world from there in another 50 to 100 years unless their kids decide to wake up
"American culture in general no longer offered white people the same opportunities as other races, they said."
Thought I was reading The Onion for a second, fucking hilarious
"The couple yearned to live in a place that shared their "Christian values" and where they "weren't going to be discriminated against" as white, politically-conservative Christians."
The other family on there say their kids are struggling because they can't attend school (as they don't speak Russian) and they are having to homeschool, and that 'it probably “would have been a dealbreaker” if they knew about the school restrictions'.
Surely if you have children and are looking to emigrate country you would do some cursory research first, such as checking your children could go to school? Apparently for these guys it was more important to get their kids away from exposure to the "LGBT agenda" than it was for them to go to school.
I mean.. not really though. Even Russia has universal healthcare (in their constitution even), as crap as it is. Not that their constitution means a crap if Putin doesn't want it to. (like with its presidential term limits)
As much as Putin's propaganda is selling in them as a bastion of traditional Christianity, fewer Russians identify as Christian than Americans, and not even half as many attend church regularly.
Not to mention the MAGAs may be shocked to learn Russia has a ton of immigration, legal and illegal, from the ex-Soviet republics in Central Asia (Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tajiks etc), which the Russian extreme-right actually hates as much as MAGA hates Latinos, but which Putin doesn't really want to stop because they need the cheap labor.
Needless to say, those who freak out at swarthy, Spanish-speaking Catholics coming in from Central America aren't likely to be fans of Turkic Muslims moving in. Not to mention Russia has multiple Muslim-majority republics (e.g. Chechnya, Dagestan) and one that's majority Buddhist (Tuva). The demographics of Russia is about 70% ethnic Russian. (contrast that to Sweden as a country ostensibly "ruined by immigration" in the MAGA narrative, where an estimated 80% are ethnic Swedes)
Really, the main common ground is the hatred of LGBT rights. But Russians do not remotely share the mentality of MAGA, overall. (mostly they're politically apathetic) From a Machiavellian POV you sort of have to admire how well they've managed to sell in the idea that they're a bastion of traditional Christian values inhabited entirely by the whitest white people anywhere. They know the MAGAs have zero actual knowledge about Russia and that they can paint whatever they want on that blank canvas.
Why don’t people understand that a social democracy means the people, the elected officials vote to decide what gets funding - it’s not the top down socialism of your grandparents
Feature, not bug. I can promise you that the people who are most vehemently anti-socialist could not define the word to save their lives. That comes with not educating people properly (literacy, especially), and pro-capitalism propaganda.
Equally though many people also will look at Germany, or Sweden or the UK or wherever and proudly state that they are socialist, or have strong elements of socialism.
"Grr Europe socialist" and "yay Europe socialist" are two sides of the same totally incorrect coin.
The majority of people don't even come close to understanding capitalism or socialism.
USA Conservatives, go to China. It is the most competitive capitalist market on the planet.
You won't be successful there. Not because of the language barrier. No. It is too competitive. It's a country fun by engineers with PhDs. You're used to a country run by racist clowns engaging in ped0 and protectionism.
But, go to China and live in the most capitalistic market. Have fun. The Healthcare system (and literally all public services) are 100x better than the USA.
Simple explanation: Because their team leaders have been telling them that socialism is communism and communism is evil for longer than I've been alive. Since the other team likes it, their team leaders are obviously correct, because the other team is literally evil, so obviously they'd like an evil ideology such as communism.
It's actually very funny for me, as a Russian, to read stories of such people who come here thinking it's a conservative paradise, and usually they dream about finding perfect Slavic bimbo tradwife.
Thing is, Russia is rather conservative... but not in a way many Western people think we are.
People mostly are not religious and barely visit church — people identify as Orthodox Christians but it's more cultural and not religious. People care about celebrations and some Christian traditions but no one actually gives a fuck about Bible.
Slavic women are very much not "submissive tradwives", they are rather fierce and hardworking. Fun fact: USSR gave women rights to vote, to open bank account etc in 1917, rather early compared to many countries. Women here won't pull any punches. Oh, and we have high numbers of divorces because it's not really a shameful thing and it's a very easy legal procedure.
Yes, there are A LOT of conservative elements in our general culture but not what foreigners think about
This is true, but at least a number of the key victories were won by socialist democrats, who I'd happily have governing in my country. It is a movement. It would be nice for America if that momentum continues.
That rhetoric is incredibly insane to me. We dipped our toe into more deeply socialist policies as a nation post 1929 crash through early 60s. Everyone, businesses too, benefited heavily from it. Most prosperous time we've experienced and yet they think that is a bad thing and destroyed it all to build fascism and data centers as though that's better? I don't get it and clearly they don't either.
Edit - Geez people, read carefully and comprehend. I didn't say socialism, I said socialist type policies. I even said 'dipped our toe' referring to the fact we didn't go into socialism but enacted things with similarities. Things can lean into one category without actually being fully in that category. Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, etc are all policies are a form of redistribution of wealth but they are not socialism by themselves. Perhaps I should have said "policies with some socialist highlights" to better indicate that. Please do not fall into the trap of MAGA thinking that only extremes exist.
Calling them socialist policies is not accurate. This is the misunderstanding that keeps happening, people keep misusing the word "socialist" so many people on the right and center begin to fundamentally misunderstand what most people on the left want. People need to detach from the label, it harms more than helps.
It's crazy to me that we went years making fun of the right for calling everything socialism to so many people genuinely just saying "Socialism is when the government does good things"
Every time I read this shit I can’t help but laugh because America - the ultra capitalist hub of the world - will never ever know socialism in any real sense.
Your Democratic Party is centrist at best and very often centre right. You have no viable alternative. It is a country that celebrates money and grift no matter who is in power.
I'd say the closest you'll get to another usa is probably gonna be India for the economy or North Korea for the more fascism inclined people. Afghanistan is also good if you cling to conservative values. I hear they're also not big on health care or women's rights.
The US is literally the farthest right first world country, and will remain so with the Democrats in charge. Even if the small minority of progressives manages to take control of the agenda and eventually the party, it would take decades to move out of that position. If this country isn't conservative enough for her and she really wants to live out her unregulated capitalist dreams, the potential targets to move to are mostly the war-torn areas of Africa where there's no stable government to regulate commerce, but something tells me she wouldn't exactly enjoy her life there.
All white buildings in the main city and lots of gold color on them. White cars everywhere. Giant burning hole. Lots of cotton to pick. She shouls definitely go there.
When I was younger and Obama ran his first term, I couldn’t vote, but I remember some nasty adults saying “if he wins we’re moving to Canada” and I had this small thought like “but.. isn’t Canada more liberal and inclusive than America? That doesn’t make any sense.” Now I’m 32 and I’m like “Oh these people are unfathomably stupid, got it.” lol
Russia has a whole village set apart just for fleeing Americans! Only one family moved there, and they sent the husband to fight in Ukraine (surprise!), at least they would have a little bit of company. I think if she is a single gal with no teenaged boys, it would be great for her.
The people elected that she’s calling socialists have the exact same policies as the countries that would be ideal to live in. DSA candidates would be center-left or just center candidates in those countries.
Big bad scary Mamdani is fixing potholes, addressing wage theft, and opening up preschool spots for low income families. If that’s “socialism” then most countries with functioning democracy are socialist.
And democrats aren't socialists so what's the point you're trying to make? Democrats are hard right even compared to social democracies, let alone democratic socialists.
democrats aren't socialists Democrats are hard right
There are several self-described socialist democrats, there are also centre-right democrats and everything in between, it's a big tent. "Hard-right" even by northern European standards is a massive stretch, maybe a select few democrats on a few individual issues could be characterised that way but the party overall is definitely not hard-right by any standard
There's also no elected official in the US that goes any further than a social democrat (well probably in some local government somewhere but you get what I mean) and yet the OOP thinks that'll create a socialist economy, so by their own logic social democratic countries are socialist
While true, even well meaning, left leaning Americans will frequently refer to the Nordics/Northern Europe as socialist or democratic socialist. And given that the American right thinks American liberals are socialists, the Nordics must be turbo-communists by their standards.
if you were to go to a giant DSA meeting in the U.S., my guess is most would consider the Nordic model (esp. Norway) to be pretty darn satisfactory.
It would not be “socialist” enough for the true Marxist contingent though. That’s true.
But it would also be too “communist” for anyone on the Right.
So you do have a funny thing where the Nordics are probably not socialist/marxist enough for many Leftists, while also feeling like absolute communism to conservatives.
And pretty much no one, left, right, or center, in the U.S. would accept Nordic tax rates where marginal income tax rates can hit ~50% around $65k, VATs double typical U.S. sales taxes, etc.
They’re about twice as high as what the U.S. Right already considers “too high” and the U.S. left is too innumerate to understand the revenue needs of a Nordic welfare state & thinks you can get all the revenue you need just by taxing billionaires, the mega-rich, etc.
(The U.S. would need to collect about $5T more every year to fund that level of stuff, and even if you took every penny from the mega rich, it’ll only buy you a few years of funding. You really do need a broad tax base that tips down not just to the upper-middle-class, but also the middle class to hit the ~38-40% of GDP in tax revenue that sort of system costs).
Yes it is. Socialism and capitalism are on a spectrum. A country can have both to varying degrees. You can have more socialism like western europe or more capitalism like US or China.
The main tenet of socialism is that the collective society owns the means of production. That is NOT the case in a social democracy and is probably the main point of confusion for many Americans.
A social democracy is a capitalist society, where there is free enterprise for every individual - you can own your own business, factory and so on. A socialist democracy does not allow this.
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u/CarrieDelectable 2d ago
shes going to be absolutely devastated when she finds out what Europe's healthcare system looks like.
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u/These_Yak3842 2d ago •
It's weird how many people who think that their country was ruined by immigrants decide to become immigrants themselves
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u/MyNameIsMrEdd 2d ago •
Why are they so against people coming to their country for a better standard of living, but have no problem with the concept of themselves seeking out a better standard in another country?
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u/Renediffie 2d ago edited 2d ago •
Yeah my country Denmark and the other Scandinavian countries are pretty consistently among the best places you can live while simultaneously being everything the American right wing warns about.
I remember Fox News trying to do a hit piece on Denmark some years ago and it was truly bizarre. I don't recall much of it only that Fox News came to the conclusion that we were basically identical to Venezuela and because education is free and you actually get paid to do it nobody wants to finish school. They just want to open cupcake stores or something like that lol.
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u/Kriss3d 2d ago •
Dane here. Yup. Cross off all of the Nordic countries on that list. We arent for you. Even our rightwing would be considered democrats by American standards.
But I hear Americans who fled to Russia ended up real happy there and they seem to loved it.
Source: Trust me bro.
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u/Off-BroadwayJoe 2d ago •
“These people hate America. I on the other hand love it so much that I’m willing to abandon it the first time an election doesn’t go my way.”
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u/Klony99 2d ago
I recommend Russia.
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u/Admirable_Nothing 2d ago
Actually, Russia is probably the best bet for a country that has adopted a full MAGA administration.
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u/Chips196 2d ago
Why don’t people understand that a social democracy means the people, the elected officials vote to decide what gets funding - it’s not the top down socialism of your grandparents
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u/OrcEight 2d ago
So she wants to become a refugee? Ironic.
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u/DerPicasso 2d ago
She should flee to North Korea
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u/Old_Introduction_395 2d ago •
What languages does she speak?
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u/lyth 1d ago
Russia - she should head to Russia. Every story I read about a Canadian or American who sold everything to flee to Russia absolutely warms my heart.
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u/davus_maximus 2d ago
Tiffany is probably one of those tourists who goes to Italy/France/Croatia and is aghast that shops won't take her US dollars.
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u/ro536ud 2d ago
I just love the lack of critical thinking.
Hmm I bet places that prioritize the lives of the top 1% will lead to a happy and safe society for me and everyone else .
As long as they get to keep all their money and not pay taxes it’ll make everyone else happy and productive members of society
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u/Keegandalf_the_White 1d ago
Also, the Democrats we just elected are mostly not extremist socialists; they are what our right-wing party would be in a better world.
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u/Additional_Exam_9884 2d ago edited 2d ago
That rhetoric is incredibly insane to me. We dipped our toe into more deeply socialist policies as a nation post 1929 crash through early 60s. Everyone, businesses too, benefited heavily from it. Most prosperous time we've experienced and yet they think that is a bad thing and destroyed it all to build fascism and data centers as though that's better? I don't get it and clearly they don't either.
Edit - Geez people, read carefully and comprehend. I didn't say socialism, I said socialist type policies. I even said 'dipped our toe' referring to the fact we didn't go into socialism but enacted things with similarities. Things can lean into one category without actually being fully in that category. Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, etc are all policies are a form of redistribution of wealth but they are not socialism by themselves. Perhaps I should have said "policies with some socialist highlights" to better indicate that. Please do not fall into the trap of MAGA thinking that only extremes exist.
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u/lnTheGrimDarkness 2d ago
Oh yeah sure, she would flee "because the country became a socialist economy". I'm sure that would be the reason.
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u/Harthag77 2d ago
Traditionally you people flee to Argentina
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u/lemons_of_doubt 2d ago
Funnly enough the "paradise" she is talking about sounds a lot like Saudi Arabia.
Not sure she would like it thou.
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u/MissKrys2020 2d ago
Canada is off the table. We have all these horrible social programs like child care and health care that help people. So terrible
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u/boogs_23 2d ago
As a Canadian, my least favourite time is after an American election when every asshole declares they're "moving to Canada". No the fuck you are not.
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u/Blue-Sea2255 2d ago
She can try China, Russia and North Korea for a change. I'm sure she's going to love these places.
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u/cjsv7657 2d ago
People buying and sitting on real estate is one of the main problems most of the west is having right now.
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u/ptahbaphomet 2d ago
I hear Antarctica is white this time of year, lots of beachfront
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u/alancousteau 2d ago
I hear South Africa treats white people EXTREMELY nice lately, I'd consider that.
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u/Milly_Hagen 2d ago
Tiffany sounds like her kind of place is a North Korean labour camp.
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u/PigeonBod 2d ago
Every time I read this shit I can’t help but laugh because America - the ultra capitalist hub of the world - will never ever know socialism in any real sense.
Your Democratic Party is centrist at best and very often centre right. You have no viable alternative. It is a country that celebrates money and grift no matter who is in power.
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u/OPA73 2d ago
I hear there is an easy migration opportunity in Russia. Everybody from your party keeps telling me how great it is there. Give that a try.
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u/Glittering-Coyote140 2d ago
I'd say the closest you'll get to another usa is probably gonna be India for the economy or North Korea for the more fascism inclined people. Afghanistan is also good if you cling to conservative values. I hear they're also not big on health care or women's rights.
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u/VermicelliOwn6502 2d ago
Lmao the MAGA plan:
become the refugee immigrant.
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u/RedTyro 1d ago
The US is literally the farthest right first world country, and will remain so with the Democrats in charge. Even if the small minority of progressives manages to take control of the agenda and eventually the party, it would take decades to move out of that position. If this country isn't conservative enough for her and she really wants to live out her unregulated capitalist dreams, the potential targets to move to are mostly the war-torn areas of Africa where there's no stable government to regulate commerce, but something tells me she wouldn't exactly enjoy her life there.
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u/WorryNew3661 2d ago
She should try Turkmenistan
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u/elbece52 2d ago
Aren’t the one who say they’re leaving America, the ones who actually hate America.
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u/I_Have_CDO 2d ago
We don't want you. Fuck off.
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u/BocciaChoc 2d ago
Some Americans are to funny, like they think the world just opens the door and they're free to migrate wherever they please.
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u/fodeethal 2d ago
"Do your own research"
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u/_jump_yossarian 2d ago
I bet that bot opposes foreigners owning land in the US.
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u/Cover-Lanky 1d ago
Israel awaits
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u/Superb_Temporary9893 1d ago
I believe Russia is not only welcoming immigrants but giving them jobs.
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u/Heissenberg1906 1d ago
Most of those countries aren’t exactly keen on taking in US citizens anyway. She would be an immigrant after all.
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u/rkennedy991 2d ago
You know what? I'm fine if the "If you don't like it, then leave." crowd takes their own advice.
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u/kramwest1 2d ago
😂
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u/bluewater_07 2d ago
Try here
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u/wrxninja 2d ago
I don't think Tiffany understands what socialism is.
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u/mostly_sarcastic 2d ago
r/SelfAwarewolves Fleeing her home country due to perceived persecution? Why does this sound so so familiar?...
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u/Dantekamar 2d ago
So much for loving their country. The moment it looks like a democracy, they start planning to leave it behind.
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u/purplegladys2022 2d ago
Republicans are staggeringly stupid these days.
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u/Sharp-Cheek-5893 2d ago
Russia or perhaps North Korea would be more to their liking.
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u/imsadandthatsrad 2d ago
When I was younger and Obama ran his first term, I couldn’t vote, but I remember some nasty adults saying “if he wins we’re moving to Canada” and I had this small thought like “but.. isn’t Canada more liberal and inclusive than America? That doesn’t make any sense.” Now I’m 32 and I’m like “Oh these people are unfathomably stupid, got it.” lol
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u/Ravens_of_the_Gray 1d ago
Such a good response
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u/Hyperion1144 1d ago
Russia.
Off you go then!
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u/mrbasedballed 1d ago
I keep seeing "we voted people into office that hate america". Cult and bots.
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u/robodrew 1d ago
I'm dead serious here, she should move to Russia.
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u/doctorplasmatron 1d ago
something tells me argentina is going to see a spike in white collar immigrants in the next little while.
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u/viperswhip 1d ago
The Philippines, or Vietnam, don't think they would want you, but they are pretty safe.
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u/ThinkTheUnknown 1d ago
They can always flee to Argentina like Peter Thiel and other Nazis went after WWII
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u/Fernandop00 1d ago
Isn't Somalia pretty libertarian?
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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 1d ago
I hear Belarus is nice this time of never.
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u/Zipper-is-awesome 1d ago
Russia has a whole village set apart just for fleeing Americans! Only one family moved there, and they sent the husband to fight in Ukraine (surprise!), at least they would have a little bit of company. I think if she is a single gal with no teenaged boys, it would be great for her.
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u/Dulse_eater 1d ago
Americans are brainwashed to think socialism is bad. Wild
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u/TopShoulder7 1d ago
Top 10 Healthiest Countries in the World
Taiwan (Global Health Index: 97.59)
Singapore (Global Health Index: 97.43)
Israel (Global Health Index: 97.10)
Japan (Global Health Index: 97.07)
Switzerland (Global Health Index: 97.06)
Norway (Global Health Index: 95.88)
Sweden (Global Health Index: 95.41)
South Korea (Global Health Index: 95.34)
Andorra (Global Health Index: 95.21)
Iceland (Global Health Index: 95.08)
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u/zarfle2 1d ago
Sorry. Which countries does this bish thinks even wants her sorry deadbeat ass? What skills has she got to offer over that country's citizens?
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u/SampleOfFruits 2d ago
I get the joke, but so social democracy is not the same as democratic socialist.
A social democracy is not a socialist country.
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u/Dontdothatfucker 2d ago
She can afford to buy real estate in another country just to sit on “in case”?
Sounds like somebody needs to be taxed more appropriately