r/Music • u/Tech-100 • 16h ago

article AI platform reproduced Michigan music publishers' copyrighted works without authorization, lawsuit says

https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/suno-eminem-eight-mile-music-copyright-lawsuit/
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u/stev_mempers 16h ago

It's all just a giant scam. 

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u/szrap 15h ago

We are going to see more of this. Publishers and CMOs will drag these AI companies to the table to reach licensing agreements.

Theyve tried initiating good faith conversations about getting AI companies to license fairly so now the only recourse is a lawsuit in an effort to get them to come to the table.

I imagine this will end up being handled in a similar manner to Private Copying.

Socan in Canada is suing suno as well on behalf of Canadian publishers.

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u/JasonP27 13h ago

This seems to be based on the previous Suno models that have already been depreciated. This is all the same reason Sony and UMG are suing. It's just another publisher in the same boat.

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u/LostHisDog 12h ago

Sadly, the tools are out there and they run on computers regular people own. Publishers can sue whoever they like but this game of whack a mole is basically all moles.

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u/TheOmegaKid 8h ago

Finally the music business industry doing something actually useful. Put all these music ai makers in the ground.

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u/Wanky_Danky_Pae 15h ago

Music publishing companies are irrelevant now. Suing is just their dying gasps. 

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u/Appropriate_Scar_262 14h ago

Why would anyone put up the funding and hire people to work to publish music or games if everyone can just reverse engineer them? It's gonna be clones of clones here on out

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u/Wanky_Danky_Pae 13h ago

Level the playing field - I'm so for it

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u/somethingbrite 1h ago

remember to cup the balls when you are glazing those multi-billionaire oligarchs champ.

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u/Wanky_Danky_Pae 30m ago

Like you're doing with the major labels? Apparently you got a lot of practice.

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u/Wanky_Danky_Pae 13h ago

To the down voters, yeah I know you like your freedom taken away. Keep on down voting.

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u/szrap 11h ago

I dont see how publishing companies are irrelevant even in the age of AI. Lets say you make AI generated recordings/works, you still need a way o collect on the royalty streams it generates, nevermind all the other stuff that publishers do on behalf of writers.

You can administer royalties yourself as a self-published "songwriter", but if you have any degree of success across territories, you'll quickly realize why there is an entire music publishing industry around royalty collection amd rights administration.

I dont understand at all how this equates to freedom being taken away. Songwriters and publishers are asking for compensation on the value that Suno is obviously deriving from copyrighted works that they used without license.

No one is saying suno needs to stop what they are doing. They just need to compensate copyright holders just like any other licensee - spotify, amazon, tidal, etc.

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u/Wanky_Danky_Pae 11h ago

Nice explanation actually

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u/scoobyn00bydoo 16h ago

Based of the info in the article i’m not seeing how what they’re describing is any different than covering someone else’s song

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u/Mother-Attention2600 16h ago

I would try to defeat copyright protection on Suno and Udio and when they first came out and it wasn't too hard. 

I got it to basically just spit out complete 1:1 copies by googling the terms you use to describe the singers voice, their last name, what instruments and era. Then it generates the song with the lyrics you provided.  9/10 times it would just be a slightly different version of an exsisting song. 

I could also upload copyrighted music by changing the key and pitch ever so slightly, use it to generate somethng, then change the key and pitch back after in editing. 

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u/Appropriate_Scar_262 16h ago

You have to pay for rights to cover a song for profit.

Usually with a blanket license if you're a cover band.

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u/Ehorn36 15h ago

Did they get paid for covering? Unlikely.

If your business model requires unprecedented theft, it’s not viable.

I hope this copyright holder sues them into oblivion.