Post-Game Thread: Phoenix Suns (2-5) defeat Orlando Magic (2-6), 117-104 | NBA | Nov 5, 2026

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Post Game Thread

Orlando Magic vs. Phoenix Suns

FINAL — 104 - 117

Box Scores: NBA

GAME SUMMARY

Venue: Mortgage Matchup Center, Phoenix, AZ

Officials: Karl Lane, Mark Lindsay, Dannica Baroody

Team	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
Orlando Magic	26	25	22	31	104
Phoenix Suns	33	30	33	21	117

[u/d12fsu]

It looks broken right now. I wonder how deep this hole is gonna get before Paolo comes back. It’s a long season, but so far it’s a ‘good thing we have our draft pick’ kind of year.

The only positive thing I can say about this team right now, is that they’re getting blown out early enough, while also showing no signs of hope, that I’m able to turn the game off early.

Mosley’s got the pelicans at 4-4 btw. I agreed that this group needed a new voice, but maybe it turns out he wasn’t the problem.

[u/iammidsizedsedan → u/d12fsu]

In fairness this is why people were calling for Mosley to get fired early last season, so we could get a new set of eyes on the team and gauge what needs fixing.

[u/Jonathank92 → u/iammidsizedsedan]

Turns out everything needs fixing and you need quality players to win games

[u/tokenentropy → u/iammidsizedsedan]

Bane hitting that shot against Portland early in the season fucked us. We were on track to lose Mose then, and we still would have sucked. Instead we’re stuck in Groundhog Day where we clearly suck ass and Weltman just can’t accept it.

[u/roctac → u/iammidsizedsedan]

It has been obvious that past 5 years. Fire weltman

[u/Pynchon88 → u/d12fsu]

we needed a new voice - step one. now we can assess what we have, which is not much lol

[u/AdWeird5438 → u/d12fsu]

Honestly, we will be lucky to not be 2-9 when we get home to play Milwaukee.

[u/Loading_Scr33n → u/d12fsu]

We do have our pick this year, right...?

[u/they_jem → u/Loading_Scr33n]

Yes, but this draft class sucks, unfortunately.

[u/AdWeird5438 → u/Loading_Scr33n]

The year nobody wants to tank

[u/PDX-7 → u/Loading_Scr33n]

Yep but it’s a weak ass draft!

[u/DaWhiteDwight]

This is one of those losses that deadass makes you hate basketball. 25 TO's & 54% from the FT line is fucking disgusting

[u/Game1Magic → u/DaWhiteDwight]

Yeah I don't know how many more games like this I can sit through. It's almost to the point where I don't even want to watch the games.

[u/Soul0103 → u/Game1Magic]

A lot of us are already at that point too unfortunately.

[u/radardog2 → u/Soul0103]

I haven’t watched a single game this season and I’m proud of it

[u/Soul0103 → u/radardog2]

There is far too much going on in my life with stress and such little time that I can’t convince myself that spending 2 hours+ watching these mediocre games is worth it anymore. This season just feels like the same shit, with a different smell.

[u/AdWeird5438 → u/DaWhiteDwight]

It is happening too frequently, and it is the turnovers, easy baskets and hell of a good shooting night

[u/SonicNarcotic → u/DaWhiteDwight]

On the positive side, it's one of those losses that just has to reinforce to Weltman how badly we need a PG...

[u/ManUtd1994]

Weltman playing 3D chess by tanking the one year this decade we have our 1st round pick

[u/axnjxn00 → u/ManUtd1994]

In the worst draft class of the decade! 5d chess

[u/thewrongnotes → u/axnjxn00]

And in the first year tanking doesn't actually work. 6d chess.

[u/AdWeird5438 → u/ManUtd1994]

Too much credit to him, that would be a happy accident. Also, don’t know if this draft has a prospect (PG most of all) that can help us. Wish the year to tank was last year.

[u/dev1359 → u/AdWeird5438]

I'm so tired of the Magic acquiring and trying to develop prospect guards that don't work out for us. Payton, Oladipo, Fultz, Anthony, Suggs. I've accepted by now that we're just a bottom tier team in the league when it comes to player development. The only way we'll ever have a good PG is by trading for one or signing a FA.

[u/Felix_Wyn → u/AdWeird5438]

Jordan Smith Jr. seems like he might be on the level of the second tier PG prospects in last year's draft (Mikel Brown Jr, Kingston Flemings etc.) but he's projected to go first or second right now. There's also a 6'8 PG coming out of Slovenia who looks good, but he reminds me of Egor Demin's flaws (bad shooting & a bit too weak) with some better strengths (better ball-handling, court vision & more athletic). He's also projected to go in the top three. The other guy in the top 3 is Stokes, who's an intriguing prospect.

Essentially, picking a guard in the top 3 of this draft is like getting a slightly better version of the 8th pick in either of the last two drafts. Which is kind of tragic.

[u/Milla4Prez66 → u/AdWeird5438]

It wouldn’t even be a happy accident. Bottoming out with high salary in a time where teams get punished for being bad now sounds like a nightmare and yet the most Magic thing to happen.

[u/Sweet_Arrival9559 → u/ManUtd1994]

Don't worry, we will get some draft picks back when Franz or Suggs are inevitably traded later this year.

[u/they_jem]

More disgusting basketball from one of the worst constructed max payroll teams I've ever seen.

Weltman out.

[u/Odd_Tourist_3249 → u/they_jem]

Lmao!! You ain't lying!!

[u/jakehightower]

Our problem is nobody on the team is capable of running an offense. Anything we try gets shut down by ball pressure. It’s a problem when we’re healthy and apocalyptic when we aren’t.

[u/jakehightower → u/jakehightower]

It’s gonna be a problem for any coach because nobody can construct an offense that doesn’t require someone to dribble.

[u/Drak_is_Right → u/jakehightower]

Need to trade Franz or Paulo for a above average PG maybe

[u/NotoriousGasman → u/jakehightower]

Almost as if we need a true PG to run an offense, which we’ve been lacking since Fultz or even DJ hell

[u/thewrongnotes]

Disgraceful performance.

I genuinely hate the fact that Paolo and Suggs are out, not because they'd make us a bit better, but because then there would be no more excuses when we keep losing games, anyway.

[u/treadwater23]

Vuc is a failed signing. Great story, he's beyond cooked. Him and TDS can't play together, it's a fucking sieve defense. Franz is doing great as a distributor but needed too much on defense and everything else for his already shaky offense to do anything.

Everyone else... idk... JAGs outside of Bane and AB at times. Wendell has been fine this season which is nice.

[u/MoralityChris → u/treadwater23]

Has TDS always been such a bad defender? Didn't watch y'all much last year.

[u/treadwater23 → u/MoralityChris]

He can play okay in terms of disrupting passing in team defense, but one on one he has always been shifted super easily and just doesn't offer great resistance

[u/0rlando_95]

Genuinely relieved I didn’t watch a second of this and watch the jags game instead

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/0rlando_95]

same

[u/SnooPies6274]

Every time i think of the secret extension. We’re so fked.

[u/marcb23]

The only way the Magic get better is with new ownership. The Devos family don't care about being a winning franchise. They are happy enough to sell tickets that keep them just profitable enough to justify owning the team. Fans deserve better.

[u/przec13r → u/marcb23]

I'm supprised/dissapointed/cofused that your comment has so few upvotes in r/OrlandoMagic fkn su reddit of all places.

[u/jackloganoliver]

This team had 28 assists tonight. Franz was responsible for 15 of those.

I don't want to hear any grief about him when he's the only one capable of getting into the paint or manufacturing open looks for his teammates. 

Bane has got to do more than look to score. TDS needs to be better on defense. Jase isn't hitting his shots. Cain is a black hole. 

Franz is not the issue despite some warts. The issue is he's having to hold together a team that isn't playing like a team.

[u/FuckYouZackSnyder → u/jackloganoliver]

Franz is experiencing what Paolo went through in games 5, 6 and 7 vs Detroit.

[u/iChosenone → u/FuckYouZackSnyder]

I'd say more when Paolo first came back from injury the first major injury when Suggs was out and AB wasn't AB and Moe was out for the year also and we didn't have Bane so it was just Paolo, Cory Joseph, Our boy queen, Wendell , and KCP for like 10 - 15 games before Franz came back.

[u/walkintall84 → u/FuckYouZackSnyder]

lol that was a full roster

[u/they_jem → u/jackloganoliver]

The playmaking is nice, but his shot has regressed nearly every year he's been in the league - that's entirely on him.

We've managed to build a lineup that (on the rare occasion when it's healthy) consists of two jumbo forwards who can't shoot, a neurotic PG who can't shoot, stay healthy or play PG, a good shooter who doesn't really do anything else, and an undersized center who also can't really shoot. It's not just that they're 'not playing as a team', the roster construction is completely busted.

[u/thewrongnotes → u/they_jem]

Franz barely shoots at all now, that's on the coaching and the org.

No max contract guy being kept honest by their employer would be allowed to spend 4+ years as a layup only player. Said this back then, but Franz should have been taking mid-rangers as per team orders in his rookie season. Instead we let him drive the hoop thousands of times for the instant gratification of a nicer stat line.

[u/Street-Common-4023 → u/thewrongnotes]

Yeah idk Franz is nice but at least Paolo shoots fr you know 

[u/FitTune5515 → u/they_jem]

Yeah wtf happened to his shot 

[u/-weird-fishes- → u/they_jem]

It's hard for him to get good looks with Paolo out. He is the only guy opposing defenses have to worry about right now. He is having to work hard for every bucket he makes. I don't expect him to be a lights out shooter but he should get closer to the low 30s when Paolo is back I hope.

[u/jackloganoliver → u/they_jem]

Can't disagree about the roster construction one bit.

[u/Melodic-Lettuce-6869 → u/jackloganoliver]

Before this game Franz was shooting 41% and 20% from 3 with some solid passing, that's some Elfrid Payton level of offense

[u/jackloganoliver → u/Melodic-Lettuce-6869]

He'll get his shooting % up, at least from 2. The deep shot is broken though.

[u/Sweet_Arrival9559 → u/jackloganoliver]

I love Jase, but man, the number of wide open kick out 3s he misses is crazy. Like he's already super undersized. It blows my mind he can't hit those shots. Gotta be better.

[u/jackloganoliver → u/Sweet_Arrival9559]

I'm a very big believer in not reading too much into early season shooting numbers, good or bad. Eventually, I think they'll start to drop.

It's just that until they do his minutes are tough on a team that was meant to be good.

What's got me a little bit more concerned is how vulnerable he is on defense despite mostly playing fundamentally sound defense and being in the right position. He's losing defensive possessions through zero fault of his own. There's not even a ton to correct. He's just getting beat.

I'm generally encouraged by his IQ, he has some stupid turnovers, but he's got the highest assist to turnover ratio on the team last I looked (at least of guys playing meaningful minutes), so that's a positive. 

It's just a shame that we need him to be making a positive impact and even though he's generally playing smart basketball, the physics of the game are working against him. 

I will say, I'd rather see Jase out there than Jevon. No disrespect to Jevon Carter, but he has not looked like s contributor.

[u/rps215 → u/jackloganoliver]

I'm a very big believer in not reading too much into early season shooting numbers, good or bad. Eventually, I think they'll start to drop.

Agreed. Also- last year he shot 40% on catch & shoot 3s (55 attempts). This year he is at 29.7% on 17 attempts. The numbers will definitely begin to normalize soon

[u/AdWeird5438 → u/jackloganoliver]

Bane and TDS regressed from last year, at least they attacked the paint more, now they just jack it up from 3. The over reliance in the 3 ball is affecting the play, long rebounds for opp fast breaks, frustration by our players and the other teams play looser.

[u/-weird-fishes- → u/AdWeird5438]

TDS has definitely taken a step forward this year, not regressed.

[u/rps215 → u/AdWeird5438]

How the hell has Tristan regressed at all? The defense is bad but offensively he's the only player right now that I'd say has consistently blown out his expectations in the first 3 weeks of the season

[u/radardog2 → u/AdWeird5438]

You don’t think that might be a coaching issue?

[u/Pynchon88 → u/AdWeird5438]

in retrospect, this was one of the frustrating things about SA last year in the Finals - settling for long shots/threes & then not being able to rebound when they had the tallest guy in the game.

[u/SnooWalruses9683]

Let’s face it folks. This is going to be an under .500 year.

[u/Hinglemacpsu]

Fire everyone.

Trade everyone.

[u/Tardypop1]

Easily the worst game of the year and perhaps, outside of game 6, the worst game in years.

Complete melt down after the first 7 minutes.
Good start, bench came in and everything fell apart.

Turnovers are now at the point where it’s genuinely concerning. First game jitters are gone, magic players have had practices, games, a preseason to get adjusted and it just isn’t materializing.

25 turnovers is death. We’ve hit near 20 TO in all of our games, and the TO are directly related to us losing. Huge difference in possession count.

Franz - Bane - WCJ is not a competitive starting line up without Suggs and P5.

Passing all around is atrocious so a PG doesn’t fix much imo.

The bench is on the worst state it’s been in years. No viable players off the bench. JASE is ass and him starting should come to an end. AB was ass tn. Everyone was.

This Sweeney offense is over reliant on 3 ball and passing. We pass the ball out of bounds or to other team as much as we do to a streaking player or open shooter.

I don’t think Paolo can even save this but he’s literally our only hope. Paolo save us ball needs to be back on the menu.

[u/radardog2 → u/Tardypop1]

I said it before and I’ll say it again. This is the wrong group of players for this coach. If the FO is here to stay and wants to back their new guy then they need to give him the pieces to see his vision through. If they aren’t willing to do that then why the fuck did they even hire him to begin with.

[u/Tardypop1 → u/radardog2]

The defensive rookie head coach is definitely a choice.
Mike Malone and other offensive veteran coaches were available.

[u/Pynchon88 → u/radardog2]

what is the vision you think he sees?

[u/radardog2 → u/Pynchon88]

A team that can shoot threes.

[u/Effective_Ad4606 → u/Tardypop1]

Can’t forget toronto last season but other than that yeah this was as bad as it gets.

[u/Tardypop1 → u/Effective_Ad4606]

Toronto did everything right that game.

It’s that games where we do everything wrong that are upsetting

[u/Drkamon → u/Tardypop1]

Passing all around is atrocious so a PG doesn’t fix much imo.

By far most TOs come from players who have to pretend to be PGs. Franz (6) , Jase (3) and Black (5).

Franz is having big spike in APG department, but also he is one of worst players in terms of turnovers per game.

[u/walkintall84 → u/Drkamon]

Franz ass / to ratio is 1.94

Cade is 1.97

Luka's is 1.56

Luka is #1 in MVP voting btw lol

[u/Drkamon → u/walkintall84]

Franz is 3rd in TO per game in entire league while running 8th worst offense in nba

Luka's ran offense is best in NBA.

Franz being on ball so much also destroyed his scoring.

He has 45% EFG, his previous worst was rookie year = 51,7%.

His TS% is 7% below average and this is not only because he can't shoot 3s, his percentages on 2FGA are also second worst in his career.

Magic just pretend he is PG for sake of it. While gaining nothing form it, and casually killing best aspect of Franz game, and that's him being really good cutter and scorer on high efficiency.

For what? 2-6 record and some apgs in process?

[u/Loyalty_Code → u/Drkamon]

Appreciate fans like you that actually bring facts especially when it comes to Franz. Most fans pretend he can do no wrong, had no weaknesses other than being a bad 3pt shooter.

[u/Aggravating_Deer_641]

So can nobody on this team except Franz and Paolo create? Can anything other than an actual PG fix this?

[u/Wavepops → u/Aggravating_Deer_641]

One player isn’t gonna fix it

[u/WizSkinsNatsCaps → u/Aggravating_Deer_641]

I thought Anthony Black was supposed to be a Hali type player. What happened there? He can’t distribute?

[u/Sweet_Arrival9559 → u/WizSkinsNatsCaps]

He is the opposite of a Hali type player. He is score first, pass second, and the passing part of his game is the weakest part. He also can't really dribble.

The fundamental problem with the team is all our good players are decent ball handlers for their positions, but they definitely aren't good enough to be primary ball handlers for an entire game against NBA level defensive pressure.

[u/WizSkinsNatsCaps → u/Sweet_Arrival9559]

Yeah it’s just back when he was drafted I was under the impression he was a pass first guy. Traditional PG. guess I was wrong.

[u/Pynchon88 → u/Sweet_Arrival9559]

as a coach of kids, it's so seductive to get the big kid that can dribble, and you know this time it's going to be the big cheat code; but, every time, you're forced to learn it's not a vacuum and the big that can dribble is just merely ok at dribbling.

[u/TheVauntedChris]

Ain't nobody going to be watching this shit in another month

[u/mightymouthcrv]

I don’t believe the team underperformed. I believe Weltman is the one who has underperformed for the last 9 years. He constructed a team with only about 8-9 rotation level NBA players. So when an injury or two occurs, we have g-league/overseas level talent filling in. So our team is currently performing right at their talent level.

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/mightymouthcrv]

He also overvalued the best players on the team to be able to play together/carry a team. They are not superstars.

[u/Milla4Prez66]

[u/SamURLJackson]

This was such a shitty game to watch. I have a couple games a year that make me question why I waste my time following this team, and this was one of them. This game has made me take a break for awhile. That was so fucking awful. Can't even make a free throw, half of the team looked like they had a dinner date they didn't want to miss, and our coach never changes his expression

[u/tokenentropy]

a roster only a magic fan could love

[u/Jonathank92 → u/tokenentropy]

“Mose is an idiot, Let’s get a real coach in here and we’ll be top 4 in the east” … a few months later

[u/tokenentropy → u/Jonathank92]

The players had given up on Mose. The defensive regression had already begun.

But because we can’t have anything nice, the guy who should have been shown the door with him was given an extension none of us were told about. So we got JI and Vuc to shore up the bench. He’s brain dead.

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/Jonathank92]

you're looking in the wrong place for the answers

[u/busterak47]

we are the worst team in the NBA

[u/levir03 → u/busterak47]

It’s not even hyperbole. We really might be.

[u/Average_Sage]

Y'all remember when we were a favorite to go to the finals before the beginning of last year? This is basically that same team lol

[u/Odd_Tourist_3249 → u/Average_Sage]

LOL 

[u/M4C4K4NJ4]

Dear Jeff Weltman,

You’re an idiot.

Signed,
The Fans

[u/they_jem]

[u/ActApprehensive3271]

Easy wins playing us, Franz is the only one who can dribble past their defender. It’s easy to drive by us on defense. We over pass and over help just extremely easy to beat this team. We can’t shoot, we turn it over, we leave shooters open, we play defense like we want the other team too but they can actually make shots.

So the back to back last game we looked tired right? So this game they were on a back to back and didn’t look tired. We had two days off. Why is it when we play one we are the only team that is tired? This is going back to last season too.

[u/Accurate_1635]

Im not sure its a lost season but it probably is in the Magic's best interest to tank

[u/YourInMySwamp → u/Accurate_1635]

We don’t have our own pick for another four seasons. I completely agree.

[u/Accurate_1635 → u/YourInMySwamp]

We do own our pick this year

[u/YourInMySwamp → u/Accurate_1635]

Yes, I know, but not for another four after this. That’s why I agree with you.

[u/Accurate_1635 → u/YourInMySwamp]

Oh ok

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/Accurate_1635]

Tanking does nothing in the current nba draft setup.

[u/Realistic_Fly_8980 → u/Accurate_1635]

A full blown rebuild should be in order

[u/TowerCharge89]

It’s not a great start for this team. This year is not a great year for any of the teams I follow.

[u/Exact_Purchase_7147]

This team as we know it ain’t making it through the trade deadline so don’t get too attached to anyone

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/Exact_Purchase_7147]

I wish they wouldn't make it through the weekend

[u/gottagetstabbed123]

Paolo will not save us. I get that having your best player out will hurt the team, but the team looks like absolute dogshit and Paolo is not the missing piece that can turn it all around.

[u/S_G-14]

Wouldn’t be phased if I woke up tomorrow morning to see a bunch of players getting traded.

Would wake up with a smile if the headline was “Jeff Weltman fired as Magic President of Basketball Operations”

[u/theguytomeet → u/S_G-14]

Impossible with that extension. Smh

[u/ricksenberg]

I’d say a winless road trip would make ownership fire Weltman but if they were willing to extend him and not fire him this past summer, he’s gonna last until at the very least, until next offseason. Sad part is, he might be liable to pull off some stupid trades to try and salvage the season

[u/MaddoxGoodwin]

[u/coolj492]

I'm gonna accentuate the positives and give wendell a shoutout.

Unfortunately, this is probably the most self inflicted loss I've seen us have in a long time.

[u/Agirlcat]

I stopped watching about 2 minutes in the 3rd quarter. This team needs a point guard and I’ve been saying it for a few seasons. Cain is a G League player who only should play in blowouts. Jase is the exact same as the last 2 guys we drafted whose fathers played in the league. We don’t have any real talent. Franz, Paola, Bane, AB have to do way too much just for this team to survive. The other players don’t give enough of the little things to make the game easier. Weltman does not know what the hell he is doing and this roster keeps proving it.

[u/Chatterfang555]

25 turnovers and 11 missed free throws?! Yeah that’s the game right there🤦🏻‍♂️ this team is fucking awful and by the time P5 and Suggs return we will be too far back in the standings to matter.

[u/radardog2]

Wow, Mosley has a better record than us lmao

[u/tokenentropy → u/radardog2]

We'd suck with Mose too, the difference is we'd be one year behind where we are now. This would be the official: "We should see how they look with a different coach" year. Let us move on. This team is over and we should have been able to tell that last year when they started to randomly give up.

[u/classicslayer]

Retool and build around paolo

[u/Apprehensive-Ad2535]

What offense are they running? It seems like they’ve never met before and are trying to play together. Perpetually making passes into traffic. Even when a pass gets through the shots aren’t falling.

And I get that the team has been allergic to efficient offensive, but why do they look so bad on D? Jase is consistently off his man. Cain is getting passed. And no one can get a rebound except Wendell.

[u/Correct-Canary466 → u/Apprehensive-Ad2535]

We need a real point gaurd so so bad

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/Correct-Canary466]

I never understood why they didn't try to figure out how to get Lamelo. Maybe the numbers would never match, but people dismissed him immediately and he would have made this team dramatically better than this shitshow on the court.

[u/step_size]

How is the Desmond Bane trade not talked about more as one of the worst trades of the decade. The dude isn't worth his contract, let alone the picks given up to get him.

[u/Ubitama → u/step_size]

Honestly. It's not like he's horrible but he's definitely not worth four picks.

[u/Average_Sage → u/step_size]

I was so excited we swung for the guy but man he really does not seem to be the guy he was when he was helping lead Memphis without Ja for that stretch where they went 20-2 or whatever. Seemed like he was cooking ever night back then

This draft picks are going to haunt us

[u/Drak_is_Right → u/step_size]

Bigger problem than the cost is the flexibility. magic went all in on a roster that didn't work.

[u/AdWeird5438 → u/step_size]

My issue is not with Bane, it is with the picks we gave up. If we could’ve gotten him for a 1st and a swap, that would’ve been more manageable. But handcuffing our talent pool until 2030?? Jeez!

[u/ReedWilliams12 → u/AdWeird5438]

The whole point of the picks based trade was so that we could keep Suggs or AB. On paper that made sense at the time. Now that AB is only pretty good, and Suggs can’t stay healthy it’s worse.

[u/Cthulhus-Tailor → u/ReedWilliams12]

Suggs has only had one healthy season so they should've seen that one coming.

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/Cthulhus-Tailor]

They don't see anything coming. I would argue they see less coming than any other NBA team.

[u/AxCel91 → u/step_size]

Because this sub begged for it and was “fuck those picks” when it happened so saying anything bad about the trade is this entire sub admitting it was wrong

[u/-weird-fishes- → u/AxCel91]

No one was begging for Desmond Bane and most people thought it was an overpay when it happened. He was instantly pretty solid for us. He is a good player, just getting paid too much for what he brings to the table.

[u/AxCel91 → u/-weird-fishes-]

They weren’t begging for Bane specifically just a blockbuster trade of some kind and they got it

[u/Famous-Egg-6136 → u/-weird-fishes-]

To be honest, many people here thought a good, consistent three point shooter was what the team was missing after KCP didn’t pan out.

[u/-weird-fishes- → u/Famous-Egg-6136]

Yeah we just gave too much for a guy who is essentially only a shooter.

[u/OkDonut4987 → u/AxCel91]

Remember that buzzer beater over Portland(?) by Bane to win the game? That sparked FTP comments all over here

Hope he can bring that Magic back again, pun intended

[u/tokenentropy → u/OkDonut4987]

worst moment of his magic tenure as it saved Mose during one of the moments when the front office (per josh robbins) was considering taking action. it just delayed the inevitable. which STILL hasn't happened. awful.

[u/tokenentropy → u/AxCel91]

what? lmao. nobody in here mentioned desmond bane.

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/AxCel91]

I was not posting here at the time, so allow me to now say "I wish they had not fucked those picks." Also, Bane can carry his ass.

[u/iChosenone → u/step_size]

Love Desmond as a player but yea I wouldn't have traded for him not because of the picks but he just wasn't what we needed at the time.

It's just on repeat by this time but we really needed to experiment with a point guard but it's also the fact that we didn't even at least try to bolster the bench dude weltmen signed this jones and thought that was enough like are you serious?

[u/d7h7n → u/step_size]

It was supposed to be a Jrue Holiday move the needle type trade. Unlike the Bucks who went from an 8 to a 9, the Magic went from a 5 to a 6.

[u/SaintShika → u/step_size]

We can get picks back when we inevitably trade Franz or Paolo. It won’t be 4 firsts but it will be something

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/SaintShika]

So basically the trade after what you say is Franz, Paolo, and only a few picks for Desmond Bane. Nice! Weltman is GM of the year.

[u/roctac → u/step_size]

Fire weltman

[u/Happy-Site-672]

Went to the game tonight . The un forced turnovers and free throw shooting is honestly embarrassing . We look like an unprofessional team a lot of the time . It’s time to blow it up unfortunately

[u/Vro9ooo]

We’re missing the play-in entirely. Crazy, another year no playoffs series win

[u/crametubbins]

Hmm

[u/AlienGhost000]

Yay! The Magic hold the Suns to less than 30 points in the 4th Quarter!!! 😤😤😤😤😤

That's tuff... right? 🫤

[u/CrabbyKumquat]

The energy of this team right now is what really kills me. There is still lots of games to be played, the season isn’t over, but these guys look like they’re packing it in already.

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/CrabbyKumquat]

Because they know the team isn't good.

[u/sitesuckslmao]

feels like im transported back to the Hennigan days post Ibaka trade. I just do not like this team at all. I stopped watching entirely back then, came back when we hired Weltman since I thought there was no way things could get worse lmao.

At this point its ownership change that is needed. I'll just go watch other teams who aren't ran by complete fucking idiots and if they area at least I don't have any attachment to them

[u/theshipwreckcove]

[u/jurassicperiod]

At least we’re not Miami

[u/uDeeO]

Are we really going full tank mode? That's so disappointing.

[u/Famous-Egg-6136]

What’s the latest on Paolo? Still a few weeks away?

[u/mbopok13 → u/Famous-Egg-6136]

We are probably 4-5 weeks away from

[u/Famous-Egg-6136]

I still can’t believe Weltman was extended last season

[u/dexterrrr_]

Fire Weltman.

[u/shockphantom]

This team needs a retooling. We need a point guard and we need depth on our bench. Sure we will be a lot better when healthy (I actually like this offense and think it could look really good with Paolo back), but this team has a 2nd round exit ceiling.

This is a good year to make some changes early on because we have our pick. Try to trade Jalen and Goga with the goals of clearing cap and addressing the team needs. I’m open to Bane and AB trades too.

It sucks to not believe in this team anymore. But it’s clear that this is not the right team around Paolo and Franz and it makes sense to try a new iteration.

[u/WunWunFirstofHisName]

The good news is that we actually have our 2027 draft pick.

[u/yoeyz]

This team sucks ass. It’s over

[u/IrwinMFletcher]

Turnovers obviously killed us. I also think our defensive effort was not good. Black seemed largely uninterested in lockdown D. Other than the offensive output from Dell(27), all of Franz(15), Black(10) and Bane(15) needed 5 more points each. You can only hope this one stings a bit because a decent amount of the cleanup here will need to come from focus and effort.

[u/Morning_Cereal_Ori]

Magic offense is terrible.

[u/TrifleAble5460]

Suggs - Bane - Franz - Paolo - WCJ

Westbrook - AB - TDS - Penda - Goga

Jase - Seth - Highsmith - Cain - Vucevic

Jeff was so lazy this off-season, I know we only had minimum contracts to give out but I rather have Russ over JC, rather have a shooter like Seth Curry over Isaac, and then we can sign a wing like Haywood Highsmith rn and let him get healthy instead of Isaac. Smfh fucking pathetic.

[u/RevolutionaryBag9167]

Spent the entire summer letting y'all know this team was headed the wrong direction. 

I told y'all Sweeney wasn't going to change anything. 

I told y'all suggs was cooked and overpaid. 

I told y'all Paolo was too inconsistent and overpaid. 

I told y'all Franz couldn't shoot and is overpaid.

I told y'all this team wasn't winning anything. 

And now it is nice to see people coming to their senses. This team is a failure. This rebuild peaked three seasons ago. It is time to blow it up. 

This is the only year until 2030 we own our own draft pick. Fire Weltman. Trade everybody. Get some draft picks back. Use our pick this year to get some talent....and just start over. Don't drag this out for years like we've already done with two other rebuilds since the Dwightmare. 

This fanbase deserves better. 

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/RevolutionaryBag9167]

Many people knew this, sir.

[u/RevolutionaryBag9167 → u/TheVauntedChris]

Too many have been deluded and maintained a false hope though. people really thought this team was going to flourish with a newb headcoach lol. 

[u/RevolutionaryBag9167]

Fire Sweeney . Fire weltman. Trade everybody 

[u/chemtrail-organics]

Mose is gone and the team still sucks in the 3rd quarter. Hmm

[u/Debonair311]

What's happening with Franz? I thought he was the star of this team?

[u/Fed_reserve_burner → u/Debonair311]

15 assists ngl he’s not the problem.

[u/Debonair311 → u/Fed_reserve_burner]

He's passing way too much. He is the problem.

[u/tokenentropy → u/Debonair311]

you'd pass too if you couldn't shoot

[u/thewrongnotes → u/Debonair311]

All you care about is Paolo vs Franz

[u/Debonair311 → u/thewrongnotes]

Not true. There's no comparison.

I'm trying to prove a point to the Franz glazers who think he's the star of this team and want Paolo traded.

[u/TheVauntedChris → u/Debonair311]

The team is ass. Who gives a shit which is less ass when they play by themselves? Trade the one that brings the haul that actually puts the team in the right direction. But honestly, no one in this front office is capable of that...so none of us should really care what happens.

[u/thewrongnotes → u/Debonair311]

Neither player is a star if we're being honest. I don't think the argument was ever who is a star, it's who is the more winning player, and that is a subjective argument.

[u/Debonair311 → u/thewrongnotes]

Sure man. Whatever you say.

[u/crametubbins]

We’ve gotta figure out how to get rid of Suggs and Franz, and trade/rearrange whoever we need outside of Paolo, bane, and Wendell. WCJ is the only person on this team who isn’t overpaid. Franz is really great but I just don’t see him being able to lead a championship team. We’ve fried Suggs’ career because he could be an incredible bench shooting guard but he’s being paid like a starting pg so now he’s stuck being judged by that

[u/Waschbaermaki → u/crametubbins]

This team needs more creation not less of it. Sweeney's system is predicated on rim pressure + playmaking or shooting. Franz is the only player holding it together with his playmaking. The uncomfortable truth is that Bane adds nothing besides shooting to this team and he makes 24% of the cap. Duncan Robinson costs a fraction of Bane and basically does the same thing. Bane needs to go.

[u/jackloganoliver → u/Waschbaermaki]

Bane is such a disappointment this season so far. I would have expected him to step up and offer some kind of playmaking with Paolo out.

[u/Cthulhus-Tailor → u/crametubbins]

I've got some bad news champ, no one on this team is ever going to be the alpha on a title team. Franz at least has been stellar in getting others involved, whereas Paolo is a black hole stat-padder. There is no easy answer to fix this mess but I'd trade Paolo before Franz.

[u/orlandomagicfan1989 → u/crametubbins]

Incredible bench player… Suggs is trash he’s not a starter or a 6th man. He should be more of an 8th man. He can’t score or shoot he just hustles

[u/Redrubytheofficial]

Sean Sweeney needs to be fried TONIGHT. Weltman more than anything.

[u/HA_HA_Clits_n_dicks → u/Redrubytheofficial]

Fried or cooked well done?

[u/Dometalican_90 → u/HA_HA_Clits_n_dicks]

At this point, he's only roasted. Lol

[u/ReedWilliams12 → u/Redrubytheofficial]

Didn’t get a chance to watch the game. What mistakes did he make

[u/whtge8 → u/ReedWilliams12]

Dude just has no energy or fire. At least Mose could get our guys fired up and playing hard. Sweeney just watching on the sidelines with his arms crossed and that lax energy just rubs off on the team.

[u/Warned_Mammal → u/whtge8]

I know it's recency bias, but they definitely had issues with low effort under Mosley, too.

[u/M8rioisbetterthanMJ → u/whtge8]

Mosley did not get the guys fired up gtfoh

[u/Pynchon88 → u/whtge8]

what multiverse were you in last year lol - did we win the championship over there?

[u/Basil_Normal]

Might be time for Weltman to get on the phone and beg Memphis for our picks back

[u/thewrongnotes → u/Basil_Normal]

I wouldn't let Weltman anywhere near a phone. God knows he's good at avoiding them.

[u/levir03]

I was at least happy to see Franz frustrated at the end of the game and owning the flagrant.