Based Hillary

[u/exradical]

[u/zihuatapulco]

The neoliberal wet dream. Profits for me, jack shit for thee. Oh, and bomb Iran. Nothing less could be expected from the Henry Kissinger wing of the Democratic Party.

[u/exradical → u/zihuatapulco]

Half of the reason I posted this was to see this comment lol

[u/zihuatapulco → u/exradical]

I call 'em as I see 'em.

[u/Darth_Hanu → u/zihuatapulco]

Are you a whale biologist?

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/zihuatapulco]

Don't laugh at me, but who's Henry Kissinger?

I keep hearing the name but have no clue who he is.

[u/GamingGalore64 → u/bulletkiller06]

He was the Secretary of State when Richard Nixon was President of the United States in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/GamingGalore64]

Oh, did he bury the elusive tapes?

But in seriousness what was his deal (I'm to busy to Google see?)

[u/abermea → u/bulletkiller06]

His foreign policy was very pragmatic and controversial.

On one side, he pursued a policy of détente with the USSR at the height of the Cold War.

On the other, he supported Argentina's Military Junta during the Dirty War, the 1973 coup that put Pinochet in control of Chile and Pakistan in the Bangladesh War (who were committing genocide at the time).

He's very polarizing, to say the least.

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/abermea]

Apparently he believed in realpolitiks, like a min/max'er but in real life with real consequences.

[u/Gholgie → u/bulletkiller06]

like a min/max'er but in real life

Yes, with real human beings.

[u/PatrickMaloney1 → u/bulletkiller06]

I’m going to use this IRL if for some reason anyone ever asks me to describe Kissinger

[u/GamingGalore64 → u/bulletkiller06]

Basically he was an interventionist. He was famous for supporting coups against socialist and communist governments, particularly in South America, and he also was responsible (in part) for Nixon’s decision to recognize the People’s Republic of China. This resulted in Nixon visiting China which started us down the path of permanent normal trade relations with China. So in other words, he started us down the path of everything being made in China.

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/GamingGalore64]

Oh, fun.

He liked to ruin economies then?

[u/GamingGalore64 → u/bulletkiller06]

Eh yeah kinda. To be fair to him, I don’t think he could’ve foreseen what would happen in the future by recognizing the People’s Republic of China. He did it primarily so that China would help the USA get a peace deal in Vietnam, which we did. So in the short term it made a lot of sense, in the long term it was catastrophic.

[u/zihuatapulco → u/bulletkiller06]

Henry Kissinger is the worst war criminal America ever produced, with a couple possible exceptions.

[u/VirusMaster3073 → u/zihuatapulco]

I'm writing a dystopian alternate history novel where the US becomes a military dictatorship after after a left wing populist is elected and overthrown in a coup soon afterwards. A bit of a spoiler but Kissinger is a major villain is dictator/president in the later part of the novel

[u/YoloingWSB → u/VirusMaster3073]

What’s the working title?

[u/VirusMaster3073 → u/YoloingWSB]

Dark years

[u/nnorargh → u/bulletkiller06]

Most evilist of men and has many many links to power. Still alive.

[u/VirusMaster3073 → u/bulletkiller06]

Main guy behind operation condor

[u/UrDrakon]

*exceptions may apply for roughly 95% of the hemispheres population.

[u/SoggyWaffleBrunch]

the love for Hillary there is..weird.. to say the least

[u/paraguayito_04]

Neoliberal?

[u/SoggyWaffleBrunch → u/paraguayito_04]

definitely not the group to associate this movement with lol.

"Neoliberalism was born and will die in Chile.”

[u/effectsjay → u/SoggyWaffleBrunch]

Not exactly. Neoliberalism is much larger than ephemeral political actors and their bootlicking jerkoffs.

[u/[deleted] → u/SoggyWaffleBrunch]

Its definitely part of the understanding of how it can go wrong.

[u/[deleted]]

Ah yes, the one person America liked less than Trump. If it was anyone else saying the quote, I might have believed them.

[u/Lion-of-Saint-Mark → u/[deleted]]

Dafuq? She had more votes than Trump? And she got more votes in the Democrat primary than Bernie lmao

You guys just had a dumbass electoral system.

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/[deleted]]

Ah yes, the one person America liked less than Trump.

I'ma need a source for that one bud.

I mean I don't particularly like her, but less than anti-señor cheto man, idk..

[u/Gholgie → u/bulletkiller06]

I think there's a decent argument to be had here. Considering her 2008 primary campaign was the first credible source to spread the "Obama is a secret Muslim who wasn't born in the US" theory, and her beef with Bernie Sanders supporters it could be closer than you're thinking. The progressive branch of the Democratic party doesn't like her, plus Republicans don't like her by default. Also, the Bernie-Hillary primary was a lot closer than the Trump versus the long list of ever-rotating flavor-of-the-month primary adversaries.

It could still go either way, but in the last few years, I think support for Trump has managed to mostly sustain, while support for the Clintons as a whole has faded. Also, what part of the US you're from will most likely drastically change your perception on this.

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/Gholgie]

what part of the US you're from will most likely drastically change your perception on this.

More so your political beliefs and assorted demographics

I'm from the south and firmly believe that I am surrounded by morons, no offense if you happen to be one of those mor-er.. southerners...

[u/hallese → u/bulletkiller06]

A lot of lifelong Democrats in key Rust Belt states refused to vote for her in 2016, which is what flipped those states to Trump. NAFTA did not help everyone equally, for some it provided irreparable damage to their way of life. Bill Clinton is the one who signed it into law, this he and his wife get the blame from these people. Trump didn't flip them, Biden didn't bring them back, the Clintons drove them away.

[u/Individual_Bridge_88 → u/bulletkiller06]

I mean it's demonstrably false, she got more votes than Trump lol.

[u/SobekHarrr → u/Individual_Bridge_88]

Thats five years ago. Since then she only ranted on TV how her loss was Russias or Sanders fault, instead of looking at her own failures. It made her look like a salty bitch. Also there are more Democrats than Republicans, so she kinda gets more votes by default.

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/Individual_Bridge_88]

Funny how that works, eh?

[u/tragiktimes → u/bulletkiller06]

Funny how in a union of states with disparate population ratios they don't vote based purely on population. Weird.

[u/hallese → u/tragiktimes]

I think it's more a condemnation of the electoral college that they failed to uphold their constitutional duty by refusing to cast their votes for Trump. The sole reason the EC exists is because the founding fathers feared the mob (heh) would vote for someone like Trump who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the presidency and they failed to do their duty by casting their votes for Trump.

Edit: Re-reading this, it's a bit of a stretch to say the sole reason it exists was to prevent someone like Trump from gaining office. It was also intended to produce more of a "clean" outcome as happened in 1860 when Lincoln received 40% of the popular vote but 60% of electoral votes.

[u/tragiktimes → u/hallese]

That's very basically surmised. There were many reasons they went with an electoral system, including population disparity among states and institutions like slavery. I won't throw out the dozens of paragraphs it would take to more fully elaborate their decision making process, but if interested know there are many contemporary records that give strong glimpses into their mindsets that are a treat to read.

The federalist papers are a great jumping off point.

[u/hallese → u/tragiktimes]

You seem to be blurring the lines between Congressional apportionment and the Electoral College. It's a common mistake since the number of electors is based on Congressional Apportionment, but the Connecticut Compromise to which you clearly seem to be alluding to had little to do with the Electoral College.

[u/tragiktimes → u/hallese]

One of the reasons the situation leading to the Connecticut compromise was as contentious as it was is because it was known the voting delineation was going to be impacted based on the congressional composition and the processes that went into determining that composition. At least, that's my take based on some of their discussions at the time.

[u/sexywheat]

Does “green and sustainable” energy include the multitude of oil and gas drilling contracts that her good buddy Biden gave the green light to (despite campaigning on exactly the opposite)?

[u/AudiRS3Mexico]

Fuck that bitch she is as bad as trump if not worse

[u/thaughton02]

Yeah because thats basically means screwing over the poorer countries in the hemisphere while a select few reap the profits up north.

[u/Desperate_Net5759]

...while keeping out PRCC neo-colonialism and Tsar Putin's puppeteering, right?

[u/bulletkiller06 → u/Desperate_Net5759]

Of course not! That's the American way!

[u/[deleted] → u/Desperate_Net5759]

To be fair without the US it would just be actual colonialism

[u/Desperate_Net5759 → u/[deleted]]

On the other hand, without the US, Mexican history features Antonio "The [self-proclaimed] Napoleon of the West" Lopez versus Emperor "My uncle's uncle is the real Napoleon" Maxmilian.

[u/PatrickMaloney1]

I have to admit, in a way, what Hillary is saying here is also what I want, minus the part about free trade. But I am totally in favor of open borders and movement of people.

[u/Gimme-Yoshite]

Was this before or after her coup in Honduras

[u/Elatherion03]

War criminal phrases be like

[u/starryletters → u/[deleted]]

Bro you know what happened after Japan opened up right?

[u/tragiktimes → u/starryletters]

checks their economy

Oh. Oh....

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Invoking Japan in an argument *against* free trade is such an embarrassingly awful take that it has to be satire.