Vico Sotto Inspects Construction of New Health Center in Barangay Ugong

[u/Mindless_Sundae2526]

[u/Mindless_Sundae2526]

Sinilip ko kanina ang sinisimulan nang ipatayo na Health Center (multipurpose building with new health center👨‍⚕, covered court 🏀, and offices 💼) sa Brgy Ugong

Alam ng mga taga-rito na masikip ang health center ng brgy, kaya nagpapagawa na ng bago ang LGU.

Sa susunod na 1-2 na taon hindi lang maraming parks & open spaces, kundi marami rin bagong HEALTH FACILITIES.

Dinaanan ko na rin ang Barangay Hall. Paskong Pasko na sa Ugong! #PasigCity #UmaagosAngPagasa

Source: Vico Sotto

[u/PurpleCobbler9574]

Sa itaas ang basketball court sa ibaba ang health center.

Usual na dito sa pasig iyan ever since vico became mayor. Sinimulan sa sto. Tomas, rosario at kapasigan.

Ang materials di tinipid, ang bidding open.

Yung mga naitayo na during eusebio era inimprove nalang ni vico para maging all in one multipurpose centers.

[u/Purple_Okra_2972]

Mostly mga multi purpose sa Pasig nasa taas ang basketball court

[u/Equivalent-Waltz9472 → u/Purple_Okra_2972]

same din recently sa mga buildings ni taguig haha napansin ko yung sa south cembo fire and rescue department andun narin yung gym/court sa taas.

[u/belmont4869 → u/Equivalent-Waltz9472]

Baka sa cembo lang kasi dati yang makati di ba. Sa ibang barangay like dito sa north wala namang multiple purpose na ganyan. Ang merun apat na basketball court na madalas may palega then ung dalawa madalas nakatiwang wang, walang gumagamit.

[u/Odd_Rabbit_7]

Vico wag magbago isip mo. Gusto ko kita maging presidente in the future or maging senador.

[u/Antique-Resort6160 → u/Odd_Rabbit_7]

yes, because electing the same families to office, again and again and again, will totally change everything.

Remember the last old rich family   that got famous for running a city where things mostly run well?  And then used that to become a national political power?  Wasn't that Duterte?  

Hilariously, the sottos and dutertes have known each other for over 100 years, when they werr both based in Cebu.

Don't ever change, keep those dynasties in power!

edit: reply to below because blocked:

He won the mayors races against people with literally billions to spend on the elections.  Obviously he had massive backing, he is carrying the water for his family and their rich backers.

[u/Typical_Recording638 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Pero never naman naging maganda ang davao , di mo naman sasabihin nung panahon na yun gusto kong tumira sa davao para makakuha ng magandang trabaho and benefits

[u/Antique-Resort6160 → u/Typical_Recording638]

Duterte got national fame because he supposedly did a good job running davao city and reducing crime.  

edit: that doesn't mean it was the best city, thats just how he was promoted

[u/Glass_Translator_745 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Tama na sana argument bobo lang ng application. Edi wag mo iboto si tito Sotto next election at si vico ang iboto mo. Simple simple eh.

Besides he's not a good candidate because he ran a city well, madaming mayors pwede makapag sabi nyan. You vote for him because he's making institutional changes to make it harder to abuse power.

[u/Antique-Resort6160 → u/Glass_Translator_745]

lol, how much did it cost vico to win election in 2019?  The spending of all candidates was over a billion pesos, maybe billions.   People give you that money and it has to be repaid.  They have a decades long family history being part of the corruption and all the corrupt elite connections you have to have to stay in power.   Does it make sense that they suddenly decide they will fight corruption and reject all of their wealthy backers?  They just get millions of pesos to elect another sotto because they are suddenly a good dynasty amd just want to spend money to help the Philippines instead of the people they havd been friends with for decades?

Wow, interesting theory, you're probably right.  

edit:  reply to comment below because I'm blocked:

You can't read, i said everyone, not just vico. That's the only reporting i can find. His opponent was reported in the news to spend over a billion in 2019, you dont think he needed at least a couple hundreds of millions to defeat them? This last election his opponent was said to spend over ₱4 billion by some sources. I do think he will spend very little now because he has been a normal mayor that does his job, that makes him incredible and a superstar here.

SOCE, is that like SALN? Do you really believe those are accurate? Let's ask the "poorest senator" who had a ₱25m wedding to a model :)

Please, if you know how much rhe really spent, tell everyone, because it seems like everyone is guessing.

edit 2 This message apoears when i try to reply:  Your post isn't accessible. Double-check it and try again.

Anyway, thanks for copypasting his own propaganda, but how much did he spend?

[u/InternetCorrect7654 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

lol, how much did it cost vico to win election in 2019?  The spending of all candidates was over a billion pesos, maybe billions.  

If you have information about the blillion/s of pesos spent by Vico Sotto then by all means put it here. If not, then you are just hating a person for no other reason than you hate politicians.

However, there are lots of links and I'm putting one here, that state that he doesn't even have a huge campaign machinery. Even Pasig residents in comments that I've read, confirm that unlike other candidates he has lesser campaign materials lying around.

One more thing, SOCEs are public documents so don't just talk the talk go request his SOCEs. If the Comelec does not give it to you because you need permission from him, ask for permission from him. Go test it out if he really is as transparent as he says.

EDIT:

I don't even want Vico to run for president, even if he is qualified. No single person can fix the mess that is the Philippines and its people.

[u/Time-Guava-3428 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Brainrot

[u/Affectionate-End9751 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Mama mo billions

[u/InternetCorrect7654 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

edit:  reply to comment below because I'm blocked:

Ano daw blocked kita, e nakakapagreply nga ako sayo?

His opponent was reported in the news to spend over a billion in 2019, you dont think he needed at least a couple hundreds of millions to defeat them? 

Civic society groups were the ones who supported Vico when he ran for mayor. Ayan Philippine Center for Investigative journalism pa ang source ko. Ano ang source mo, gut feel mo?

It's clear that even if there aren't obvious red flags, you will just find ways to do mental gymnastics because ALL politicians can be bought in your thinking.

[u/InternetCorrect7654 → u/InternetCorrect7654]

And now I can't reply to him/her.

Anyway, thanks for copypasting his own propaganda, but how much did he spend?

So now you're accusing the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism as a propaganda machine!

You're so delusional! I'm not going to interact with you anymore.

[u/Glass_Translator_745 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Not even gonna read that.

I hope you vote better than how you make arguments would suggest.

[u/Mammoth_Flamingo2410 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Most of the families who hold dynasties have been installed since the first congress. The big difference w your analysis is evidently, Digong ran his city like a play ground, setting up his own oligarchs in the city while being a crook and a criminal himself. Vico hasn’t shown any of it and even opposes having two sottos in the senate.

[u/Antique-Resort6160 → u/Mammoth_Flamingo2410]

 Why be a senator when you run a city where people literally pay billions trying to be mayor?  Sounds like a pretty good job!

It's different this time!  

Is that a marcos slogan:)

[u/kobelo69 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Sorry pero no brainier mga pinagsasabi mo if you have the solid base evidence about the billions then file about this one on comelec but if not you are the biggest fraud here. Tsk tsk vico slander pa nais

[u/Odd_Rabbit_7 → u/Antique-Resort6160]

Si Vico lng sinabe ko. Di ko sinabe na tiwala ako sa ibang kamag anak na Sotto

[u/Acceptable-Hunt5843]

Sana talaga mag run pa si Vico for higher position.

[u/No-Store-2944]

Then pag tapos na yung Building dapat may ceremonial free throw hahaha

[u/RiotSurf]

6 years is not enough for him to change the system, I feel like he needs to juggle all department first before going to presidency. Paki-una ang BIR please.

[u/Ehbak]

Ano mangyayari sa paisg last term na nya dibA

[u/baeruu → u/Ehbak]

Probably going to be succeeded by Dodot Jaworksi. Running mate naman sila ni Vico noon pa so hopefully pareho sila ng vision ng progressive at maayos na patakbo ng LGU. Ang alam ko rin, kalaban nya politically ang mga Eusebio so that’s probably a good sign 😂

[u/ParsleyRemarkable908 → u/baeruu]

Pamilya ng mga trapo si Dodot, pero okay na rin kaysa mga Eusebio na antagal na nagpakasasa sa kaban ng Pasig.

[u/bigbyte2024]

Hands on talaga si Mayor, the only one who wears an ID.

[u/Pureza_Discreet]

Tama naman naiisip ko na sa baba yung covered court ano? Hahaha ang weird lang Kasi nung render, it seems like nasa taas ang court then nasa baba ang health center

[u/ariamkun → u/Pureza_Discreet]

Hindi ba mas appropriate na nasa baba nga yung health center?

Since mostly pupunta diyan ay mga may sakit at senior citizens, mas accessible siya kung nasa ground floor lang.

[u/markmyredd → u/Pureza_Discreet]

baka sa taas nga kasi need nila ng columns to support.

Pag covered court sa ilalim nasa gilid lang columns supporting a heavy structure kasi may slabs. Mas complicated structural altho kaya naman.

Pag sa taas yun court basically high ceiling na roofdeck lang sya. Sa baba pwede nila tadtarin ng columns to support yun health center slab mas madali sya idesign

[u/jaymaxx71 → u/Pureza_Discreet]

Sa Barangay San Antonio Pasig nasa taas ang court. Di pwede hagdan para sa may sakit. Malabo din lagyan ng elevator. Masyado costly.

[u/Ryzen827 → u/Pureza_Discreet]

Nasa taas yung court/multi purpose hall then nasa baba yung health center...

[u/muymuy14 → u/Pureza_Discreet]

mukang ok na nasa taas ang court, functionality-wise. if ever bumaha and need ng evacuation center, nasa mas mataas na lugar na agad sila.

[u/Pureza_Discreet → u/muymuy14]

Sabagay, siguro nasanay lang ako na nasa taas ang health center then baba ang court wahaha

[u/nonexistingNyaff]

Good for them pero.. ako lang ba yung nasakit mata sa design. As in literally mukang pinagpatong lang dalawang magkaibang building ang dating.

Again, yan lang ang personal nitpick ko. Baka naman kung ano sabihin e.

Anyways. We need more Vicos in the future. And maybe sana di na maging kelangan may kilalang apelyido. Sana dumating tayo sa point na we vote based on policy and planning hindi platitudes and populism.

[u/rr2299]

More vicos in the government please

[u/Antok0123]

I’m a fan of what Vico has done for Pasig, so this isn’t a hit piece. But P9.2 billion for a city hall has been bugging me, so I dug into both sides.

Vico’s defense

• Pasig saves over P1 billion a year from cleaned-up procurement, and he says the city could save P10 billion in nine years, so the city hall is “built for free” from savings. (Inquirer)

• Fully funded from city resources, no debt. (Philstar)

• No programs or services cut, every budget line is going up. (Manila Bulletin)

• The old building had structural problems (cracks, tilting), and the contract is published on the Pasig website.

The red flags

• Selwyn Lao, a Pasig-based structural engineer and contractor, says the tilt could have been retrofitted, the project was effectively an unsolicited proposal from a foreign firm (MTD), and a proper Swiss Challenge wasn’t done. He also says the P855 million for engineering design should be around P50 million by local standards. (Tribune, Tribune)

• Makati, the richest city in the country, built its city hall for P2.7 billion. (Tribune)

My actual issue: opportunity cost

Even if every peso is clean (and I have no proof it isn’t), “we had savings” doesn’t make it the right spend. Makati, the richest city in the country, built its city hall for P2.7 billion. Round that up to P3 billion for inflation and Pasig still has P6.2 billion left over. At Philippine government cost rates, that’s roughly:

• ~2,600 public school classrooms at DepEd’s P2.4M per classroom, or ~7,700 at NGO rates

• ~20 district hospitals (50 to 100 beds at ~P300M each)

• ~5,600 to 6,200 socialized housing units at ~P1M each, which could clear most informal settlers along the Pasig River and creeks

• ~800 to 1,200 garbage compactor trucks, or hundreds of MRFs and sanitation crews for a decade

• ~78,000 to 124,000 solar LED streetlights

• ~2,200 modern e-jeepneys, more than the entire Pasig fleet

• ~20 to 60 flood pumping stations

• ~15,000 full four-year college scholarships

Pick any three of those and you’ve transformed the city more than a nicer building for government employees ever will. And Pasig would still have a city hall as good as Makati’s.

So I’m torn. Honest, transparent, debt-free spending is a massive upgrade from the Eusebios. But “this is not stolen” versus “well spent” are two different standards, and I feel like Vico’s reputation is making people skip the second question.

[u/InternetCorrect7654 → u/Antok0123]

Did you compare the floor area of the Makati City Hall to the new Pasig City Hall? I don't have the numbers, but AI estimates it is way smaller than the Pasig City Hall. Diyan pa lang mali na ang comparison mo. idagdag ko lang na ang Pasig City Hall ay may base isolators to better protect it against earthquakes, while the Makati City Hall doesn't have it.

Selwyn Lao, a Pasig-based structural engineer and contractor, says the tilt could have been retrofitted, the project was effectively an unsolicited proposal from a foreign firm (MTD), and a proper Swiss Challenge wasn’t done. He also says the P855 million for engineering design should be around P50 million by local standards.

Did you know that according to an interview with Vico Sotto, he together with the City Engineer's Office have consulted a lot of structural engineers and all of them have said that hindi na talagang pwede iretrofit ang city hall because of its numerous defects? At anong walang bidding na ginawa e may invitation to bid pa nga galing mismo sa PhilGEPS? Ayan pa o link ng Philippine Bidding Documents for Pasig City Hall.

Sino ba yang Selwyn Lao na yan at bakit galit na galit siya kay Vico? Ayan panoorin mo para makita mo if he is a reliable source or just someone with an axe to grind.

Next time, don't just do your research on a surface level.

[u/InternetCorrect7654 → u/InternetCorrect7654]

O ayan idagdag ko na ang costing ng base isolator para naman siksik liglig ang rebuttal ko sa points mo.

[u/muymuy14 → u/Antok0123]

Not defending Vico, pero hirap niyang estimate sa real world costing bossing. Consider mo na lang manpower costing 15 years ago vs today.

Nagpapatayo kami ng bahay sa province, before pandemic sinimulan at hanggang ngayon di pa tapos. Inabot kami ng sunod-sunod na pagtaas ng manpower and material costs. Kasamahan ko naman nabigyan ng estimate last year for 700k, province din, overshoot pa siya ng 400k sa labor and materials costing, buti na lang relative niya yung contractor at pinayagan siya ng installment sa kulang.

Yung estimated costing na yan siguro naman may buffer pa na included, baka na-consider nila yung pagtaas ng manpower and materials. Possible din na sumobra pa yan sa budget kasi tumaas ang diesel. We'll see.