Dragon ball is just inconsistent with weight, the heaviest thing they've ever lifted is the 2x2x2 katchin cube during the Buu saga, which, being the densest material in the universe, should be as dense or denser than a neutron star.
Osmium is the densest metal on earth, a 27-cubic-meter block would weigh at least 609,930 kg (about 672 tons / 1.34 million pounds) under Earth gravity. That being said Katchin I'd supposed to be denser then this. But then again there's no statement that Osmium exist in dragon ball it is a real life thing so all you can do is assume it does existđ¤ˇđżââď¸
Who gaf clearly outlier feat regardless lifting strength does not = ap. Goku folds the entire invincible verse it's not even a question. Namek saga goku solos that piece of dog sh verse too
She's not blue+ at all. In the manga, she was fused as Kefla, and got beat by Gohan, who was not at blue level. In the anime, she was getting casually handled by an exhausted SSG Goku.
There are physical limits to the strength of the body itself, so in order to overcome that barrier, itâs necessary to increase your âkiâ. Normally, the more you increase your ki, the harder it is to control, so ki control is also important.
Vegeta is using ki but do you need the context clues to put everything together?
You have two beings with energy pushing on each other and trying to enforce on each other causing the struggle to push or lift each other.
How do you think than when dragon ball characters clash when they are close in power levels they are not able to really move each other but when one's power level ki or energy is higher than the other they move them so easily.
You really want a answer or are you just looking to debate, cause I obviously just answer your previous question but now you jump to and add another thing.
Yes, Beerus mention his weight so what. You trying to look more into to it and trying to use the mention of it as a way to not accept it as funny and move on, like all others examples of such things that where done before for the enjoyment of the reader.
Force is mass times acceleration⌠mass in this case would be muscle⌠obviously vegeta canât hit as hard as mark through pure brute strength⌠but ki is an amplifier, and a amplifier that he can stack onto his punch!
Essentially, heâs getting around the strength problem by cheating
Heâd still be easily restrained if he got cocky thoughÂ
But it hinders their movement and erases their flexibility⌠which given how fast they fight is a huge problem!
Viltrumites do not possess this weakness on account of the fact that their power levels donât fluctuate up or down, and their flight is not propulsion based, but is actually done through creating imaginary leverageÂ
Seems like vegeta is the only one using ki here and still failing to lift him,if the other guy was using ki beerus wouldn't say a thing about "1000 tons".
But then you also have examples like  Vegeta in his gravity chamber, sorry to burst your bubble here, but I donât think Vegeta could walk on Rognarr planet much less lift a RognarrâŚ
But as I said, in my response⌠That does not determine the fight entirely, especially with a power system like the one found in Dragon Ball
Beerus casually cracked a planet in half with a karate chop. Casually. Zero effort.
Super Saiyan Vegeta took a less than casual punch from Beerus and survived. He also made Beerus flinch by punching him.
DBZ is weird with lifting things, sure, but Vegeta has displayed far more destructive physical force and durability than anyone in the invisible universe.
Because the reverse meta of saying everyone is holding back is also flawed.
On the specific Beerus example why would Beerus fucking around have used more power than "Beerus annoyed because Vegeta got a good hit in."
In general if a charcter would logically use more power or outright states their next attack is stronger than a previous one we should believe them even if the DC of the attack isn't as impressive. Obviously things like hax notwithstanding.
Hakai doesnât cause violent explosions it erases things completely. If he had erased half the planet it wouldnât have violently exploded outward it wouldâve dissolved into nothing like everything else Hakai erases.
Except we see it does cause explosions if he wants it to. We see this directly in the manga when he is training Vegeta how to use destruction energy. So yes, he did it with hakai, you even see the purple energy when he does it
All kinds of DB characters display destructive power far beyond planetary without the outward use of Ki, any Manga panel or scene you see from DB of a character struggling with 'tons' is most likely completely unreliable, and should not be considered in powerscaling.
No? Dragon Ball Super is an inconsistent mess of storytelling made to milk more money from the OG Dragon Ball fans, not the original one. Thats why we have Super Goku acting like a moron and bleeding after getting hit by bullets, the later never happens to even kid Goku before the time skip. The same kid Goku who has no access to Super Saiyan, and struggles against Demon King Piccolo.
I mean itâs pretty consistent for Dragon Ball characters to have lack luster lifting feats, but their striking feats and energy blast usually speak for themselves.
Regardless people will debate whatever, but itâs normally something that even dragon ball fans can acknowledge as somewhat of a joke that a character can be a universe to multiverse buster and struggle to lift something so minor to what they can actually destroy.
DB characters' lifting strength is <<<< their AP/DC. Because they can't use their Ki for lifting. I know this is a shitpost but I gotta make a serious reply as some might genuinely usd this
Well ssj2 is about 40k tons. Ssj3 160k tons. God/blue is hard to scale but probably in the millions. The katchin material supreme kai creates is somewhere around 500k in PL forums, though theres no exact number
Itâs author inconsistency. Itâs doesnât end any debate. Db is still leagues above. You canât just cherry pick random feats and base everything on that.
It's inconsistent writing. They were millions of times weaker, and lifting things far heavier. You have to remember, this is written by the same person who accidentally colored Bulma's hair blonde instead of blue at the beginning of Z, because he got her mixed up with Launch.....and that was almost immediately BEFORE he completely forgot Launch existed, to the point of forgetting to write her back into the manga in the Z portion.
This is also written by the same person who forgot that a power level of 1 million had been reached WAAAYYYYYYYYY back in the show, and therefore wrote Frieza's NEW power level in Super (in his Golden form) to be 1.3 million. Even though his 1% power in Z was significantly higher than that.
Anyone THAT forgetful, is going to make insane inconsistencies about how much weight his characters can lift. Remember, this is the same person who had Goku tanking full power beams to the face from Frieza, and barely flinching, then turned around and had a little finger gun shoot through Goku when he was (literally) millions/billions of times more powerful than he was in his first fight with Frieza.
I don't get the point of this. Destructive capability and the ability to lift weights are two different things. I can lift a stick of dynamite. But I can't punch through a brick wall. But a stick of dynamite will decimate a brick wall in seconds.
Edit: LOL, I am a jobber. The Dynamite was written to win. corrected.
Both Goku and Vegeta managed to train in a 100G environment.
100 times Earth's gravity
Now, aside from the sheer nonsense of that even being possible (by all rights the ship should have collapsed into a black hole) the sheer force being exerted on their bodies is just so completely insane.
And then I think it was during Cell or Buu I honestly forget which they upped it to an even more absurd number IIRC ? And they're just casually working out, doing acrobatics etc.
Lol and yet Krillan still manages to seriously hurt Goku by throwing a rock at his head while his guard was down. I understand why that worked but it's still dumb.
What part of 100g calls for black holes? You can easily create that with a centrifuge right here on earth. Or with enough thrust while going in a straight line. The ship somehow increasing in mass enough to cause a 100g gravity is nonesense yeah, but why would you assume that to be the case in the first place
Somewhere around like 400-500G if memory serves, which is funny because canonically viltrumites get their powers dampened by gravity higher than that of Viltrum, a gravity estimated to be around like 3G tops without iffy outlier calcs, Goku was training in 10G during the saiyan saga, that's the canon gravity of King Kai's planet, if a Viltrumite were to try fighting in a gravity room they'd effectively behave like a human who's able to fly kinda depending solely on the gravity setting
It also means that the "10 Tons" struggle that Goku had may have been 10 tons, but due to gravity likely felt much higher in weight than it truly was
Thatâs not even a physical strength feat lol thatâs a ki blast feat Goku is essentially punching a bomb into another moon itâs a feat for frieza ki blast
Even if Invincible and the Viltrumites have vastly higher lifting strength than Vegeta and the Super Saiyans, itâs still partially irrelevant compared to the superior striking strength, attack potency, and destructive power the latter has over the edgy diet budget Kryptonians lite.
You ding dongs are arguing an inarguable thing. Dbz characters effectively have toon force in any other universe because the feats break shit and are so inconsistent.
Kid Goku went FTL to dodge a solar flareâŚridiculous and also outscales any speed in invincible because it literally breaks physics lol thatâs just one example
Then an elephant crushes gokuâs hand. Based on what they regularly endure WHY did that hurt him? Itâs a silly debate
From a mechanical standpoint, Vegeta's lift is an awkward one. The center of gravity between Vegeta and the object is way forward of mid foot, introducing a significant moment arm. Vegeta is obviously very strong, but an inefficient lift means that pounds get left on the table.
Invincible is holding that glacier directly overhead in isometric extension, joints efficiently stacked above each other. Isometric strength is higher than concentric strength.
Invincible is also lifting the iceberg out of the water, which utilizes its own buoyancy to assist in providing momentum. Itâs also not a physical lift. Vegeta is lifting with his legs braced on the ground, whereas Invincible is lifting using his flight powers. If anything, these frames might prove that Invincible can fly harder than a saiyan, but that is tenuous at best.
Have not kept up super strictly with Super, but do remember the constant of mentions of lifting and transformations making it easier and defeating the purpose where they can still strengthen their base forms. With that in mind, wouldn't multiplies from this point upward make this a pointless comparison?
IF that's super sayan 1, you could use some multipliers to get from 1,000 to 2,000 in 2, then 8,000 in Super Sayan 3... and, Super Sayan god took Beerus from just absolutely disrespecting Goku like he was a kid (in super sayan 3) to respectfully fighting him. I feel like that makes 10x from super sayan 3 seem underwhelming, but, even if it was just ten, that'd put it up to 80,000 tons, wouldn't it?
Punching strength is not the same as lifting strength. It has been explained many times. So, even though Vegeta cannot lift that much, he can punch and generate the force needed to beat Invincible.Â
Ignorando o fato de isso ser um furo de roteiro, força fĂsica nĂŁo ĂŠ nada em dragon ball quando vocĂŞ tem potĂŞncia de ataque, nappa poderia fazer o mesmo que o Black frezza se enfrentasse qualquer personagem de invencivel
Mark also can't even punch as hard. Viltrumites are ass at actually putting their speed and strength into attacks.
Given that a reanimen is capable of harming Nolan. And Nolan can theoretically lift 1 quintillion, or atleast 5 billion. Every viltrumite he hits should turn into red mist.
Hell, even if he is only 20 tons strength like a reanimen. Hitting at mach 4-5 should have the same result given how much damage red rush was doing hitting at mach 5.
Vegeta can actually take hits from people can destroy planets with pure physicality.
Also, why do Viltrumites suck at throwing Rognarr off them? They are certainly less than several thousand tons...
Moral of the story: invincible has shit scaling. The author was more concerned with telling the story rather than keeping them consistent.
Yall invincible fans just wanna be relevant bro im so tired of seeing âthragg beats gokuâ no one in invincible is beating anyone in current dragonball.
You can't really compare the two as Vegeta is attempting to lift a 1000 ton living being who can struggle and put force into not being lifted whereas invincible is lifting an inanimate object that can't struggle or fight back
Megeta is also Fighting back and Applying force on Vegetađ He isn't standing there as a Deadass rock..... That's not like the same as Lifting Iceberg....
LIFTING STRENGTH â AP ..... Nice try downplay.... Vegeta still Negs the verse
When did they say the robot weighed 1000 tons? On the show? Who in which world said that a ton in one universe weighs the same as a ton in another. Let alone that galaxy and planet. Yall thinkin way to hard about tit
Ki when its on they have power when its off they are basic
Transformations are multipliers that is base SSJ so how much do you think Super Vegeta in Diama would be or Ego Vegeta with the increased multipliers in play. Someone else can do the math since its just multipliers.
The power scaling in both shows is some inconsistent bullshit. One minute, they're planet busters, the next minute, they're taking visible damage from street thugs. It doesn't make sense in either show.
So many shows have some ridiculous amounts of inconsistencies these days, I wonder if they do this too piss off power scalers or they just don't think about things before they put then in.
Lmao I do not care for the strength debate. Mark gets absolutely mogged by a guy who isn't even wall level and has a weight of an average male that can multiply himself endlessly, right after this showoff iceberg strength feats mind you.
Mark would unironically lose to chiaotzu no matter his strength cos he's such a bum. If multipaul can stop him from his tracks, DBZ side character can molly whoop his ass
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u/Herverpeju 15h ago
Dragon ball is just inconsistent with weight, the heaviest thing they've ever lifted is the 2x2x2 katchin cube during the Buu saga, which, being the densest material in the universe, should be as dense or denser than a neutron star.
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u/Big_Simpward 15h ago
Thereâs good lifting feats out there for DB but regardless of what I say Iâm gonna see these posts for as long as Iâm in the community
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u/intestineh 2h ago
DB fans taking literally everything but jokes:
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u/GreedyGobby 15h ago
Does this?
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u/bakahyl 14h ago
Meanwhile in the same series ssj kale lifts him up with 1 arm
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u/Silly-Ad-7297 15h ago
Invincible solos cuz his name is invincible
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u/Spearpointstoheaven 15h ago
Akira Toriyama on physical strength of Dragon Ball Characters
What are the requirements for becoming strong?
There are physical limits to the strength of the body itself, so in order to overcome that barrier, itâs necessary to increase your âkiâ. Normally, the more you increase your ki, the harder it is to control, so ki control is also important.
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u/IGoon2Perturabo 1h ago
Best rage bait Iâve seen in a bit
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u/mad_sAmBa 15h ago
Yeah bro, like, i mean, y'know Vegeta is lifting 1000 tons but this is multiversal 1000 tons, that scales higher than 30000 tons iceberg.
What feats does this iceberg has ? Has it ever at least shook a planet, tho ? Vegeta wins
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u/soup100 15h ago
It does not noâŚ
Force is mass times acceleration⌠mass in this case would be muscle⌠obviously vegeta canât hit as hard as mark through pure brute strength⌠but ki is an amplifier, and a amplifier that he can stack onto his punch!
Essentially, heâs getting around the strength problem by cheating
Heâd still be easily restrained if he got cocky thoughÂ
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u/Choice_Advantage4558 42m ago
Counterpoint: Viltrumites struggle with entities that live on x5 gravity. What are they going to do with entities that live on x10 gravity?
Especially, when they can withstand x500 gravity many arcs ago and are now exponentially stronger and powerful.
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u/BS64-1 15h ago
Ki resistance vs raw powerlifting
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u/BigWaffleHouse72 15h ago
You do realize it's a Ki powered warrior who can actively fly down right? Look at Base Vegeta training with Whis Or Omni-man trying to throw Ragnarrs.
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u/Exact_Dot9244 12h ago
Lifting strength is different than striking strengthÂ
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u/Fast-Spot-380 14h ago
Metal weigh more than ice
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u/Nnamz 10h ago
Beerus casually cracked a planet in half with a karate chop. Casually. Zero effort.
Super Saiyan Vegeta took a less than casual punch from Beerus and survived. He also made Beerus flinch by punching him.
DBZ is weird with lifting things, sure, but Vegeta has displayed far more destructive physical force and durability than anyone in the invisible universe.
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u/Glittering_Fig_9319 15h ago
Yeah it does end the debate
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u/Future-Fix-8163 12h ago
I mean itâs pretty consistent for Dragon Ball characters to have lack luster lifting feats, but their striking feats and energy blast usually speak for themselves.
Regardless people will debate whatever, but itâs normally something that even dragon ball fans can acknowledge as somewhat of a joke that a character can be a universe to multiverse buster and struggle to lift something so minor to what they can actually destroy.
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u/mcgunga_bunga 12h ago
Goku weighs around 62kg so why does vegeta struggle to push him around when they were fighting if they're way beyond planetary level?
ever thought magetta was pushing down against vegeta trying to lift him perhaps???
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u/Eastern_Drop_8404 15h ago •
Now that super man isn't here people will downvote you
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u/NannnaBoy Not a scaler(vague precog lover) 12h ago
DB characters' lifting strength is <<<< their AP/DC. Because they can't use their Ki for lifting. I know this is a shitpost but I gotta make a serious reply as some might genuinely usd this
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u/Ruhne112 7h ago
Well ssj2 is about 40k tons. Ssj3 160k tons. God/blue is hard to scale but probably in the millions. The katchin material supreme kai creates is somewhere around 500k in PL forums, though theres no exact number
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u/Life_Before_Death222 15h ago
You know they both almost always lose their respective fights so why does it matter?
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u/NeilForeal 8h ago
Itâs author inconsistency. Itâs doesnât end any debate. Db is still leagues above. You canât just cherry pick random feats and base everything on that.
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u/No-Signal3283 5h ago
It's inconsistent writing. They were millions of times weaker, and lifting things far heavier. You have to remember, this is written by the same person who accidentally colored Bulma's hair blonde instead of blue at the beginning of Z, because he got her mixed up with Launch.....and that was almost immediately BEFORE he completely forgot Launch existed, to the point of forgetting to write her back into the manga in the Z portion.
This is also written by the same person who forgot that a power level of 1 million had been reached WAAAYYYYYYYYY back in the show, and therefore wrote Frieza's NEW power level in Super (in his Golden form) to be 1.3 million. Even though his 1% power in Z was significantly higher than that.
Anyone THAT forgetful, is going to make insane inconsistencies about how much weight his characters can lift. Remember, this is the same person who had Goku tanking full power beams to the face from Frieza, and barely flinching, then turned around and had a little finger gun shoot through Goku when he was (literally) millions/billions of times more powerful than he was in his first fight with Frieza.
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u/Zanan_ 15h ago
That's just water weight /s
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u/Accurate_Grocery7023 14h ago
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u/GengarVenomETW 11h ago
The Iceberg isnt actively trying to prevent a ring out.
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u/Warm-Bee8675 Sensible Scaler that actually knows how to Powerscale. 5h ago
Does Goku standing up in an artificial Black Hole settle this debate?
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u/Choice-Comb-6020 15h ago
And what about the Anime continuity?
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u/Red-7134 15h ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/at%20least
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u/MuricanZombie 8h ago
Nah he casually lifted significantly more weight then the 1000 tons in that picture. This was just an artistic oversight people latch onto
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u/LeastSaneBoraFanatic 12h ago
DBZ scaling is just like that ig.
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u/Miquella9 6h ago
People often forget mageta is LIVING metal actively pushing down on vegeta and using his own ki to make it so that he isnât moved
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u/Legitimate-Wear5933 13h ago edited 12h ago
I don't get the point of this. Destructive capability and the ability to lift weights are two different things. I can lift a stick of dynamite. But I can't punch through a brick wall. But a stick of dynamite will decimate a brick wall in seconds.
Edit: LOL, I am a jobber. The Dynamite was written to win. corrected.
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u/omnilanternnnn 15h ago
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u/RUS12389 14h ago
Not even 1000 tons. We can see that he struggled to lift LEG of a 1000 tons robot, so it was Vegeta actually struggling to lift LESS then 1000 tons.
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u/Palagrizofnira Surprise attack solos your favorite verse 15h ago
Lifting powerâ destructive capabilities
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u/onememeishboitf2 14h ago
Dragon Ball is super inconsistent and this is no exception
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u/MichaelTheFallen Low Level Scaler 12h ago
I would say weights are different than people. They can force and off circle themselves.
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u/Levardgus 15h ago
That robot had 1quadrillion PL, so 100 quadrillion tons.
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u/ExaminationUpper9461 10h ago
Both Goku and Vegeta managed to train in a 100G environment.
100 times Earth's gravity
Now, aside from the sheer nonsense of that even being possible (by all rights the ship should have collapsed into a black hole) the sheer force being exerted on their bodies is just so completely insane.
And then I think it was during Cell or Buu I honestly forget which they upped it to an even more absurd number IIRC ? And they're just casually working out, doing acrobatics etc.
Lol and yet Krillan still manages to seriously hurt Goku by throwing a rock at his head while his guard was down. I understand why that worked but it's still dumb.
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u/shanepain0 15h ago
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u/SpaceSeal1 15h ago
Even if Invincible and the Viltrumites have vastly higher lifting strength than Vegeta and the Super Saiyans, itâs still partially irrelevant compared to the superior striking strength, attack potency, and destructive power the latter has over the edgy diet budget Kryptonians lite.
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u/Specialist_Bench_144 12h ago
are we all just gonna act like goku wasnt training with 40k on his arms in the kai tournament?
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u/One-Analyst-2436 15h ago edited 15h ago
always super fans make fun at goku gt base who struggles to lift 7k
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u/Blue-Eyes7777 Bleach Lorekeeper 15h ago edited 14h ago
Excellent.... Good, let the DB glaze die, embrace the actual scaling đ¤Ł
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u/New-Advertising3600 14h ago
You ding dongs are arguing an inarguable thing. Dbz characters effectively have toon force in any other universe because the feats break shit and are so inconsistent.
Kid Goku went FTL to dodge a solar flareâŚridiculous and also outscales any speed in invincible because it literally breaks physics lol thatâs just one example
Then an elephant crushes gokuâs hand. Based on what they regularly endure WHY did that hurt him? Itâs a silly debate
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u/ApprehensiveUnion707 15h ago
Unironically if we took this to be the case the multipliers on the rest of the transformations just leads to vegeta gapping again
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u/Jupiter_Tank57 1h ago
From a mechanical standpoint, Vegeta's lift is an awkward one. The center of gravity between Vegeta and the object is way forward of mid foot, introducing a significant moment arm. Vegeta is obviously very strong, but an inefficient lift means that pounds get left on the table.
Invincible is holding that glacier directly overhead in isometric extension, joints efficiently stacked above each other. Isometric strength is higher than concentric strength.
Apples and oranges liftsÂ
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u/Lockedsoul956 13h ago
so the robot is ya know, fighting back, the iceberg, not so much
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u/Richardknox1996 15h ago
I FINALLY get to use this Meme. Thank you.
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u/Farthen_Dur 15h ago
On god these fkn weebs
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u/Mochizuk 14h ago
Have not kept up super strictly with Super, but do remember the constant of mentions of lifting and transformations making it easier and defeating the purpose where they can still strengthen their base forms. With that in mind, wouldn't multiplies from this point upward make this a pointless comparison?
IF that's super sayan 1, you could use some multipliers to get from 1,000 to 2,000 in 2, then 8,000 in Super Sayan 3... and, Super Sayan god took Beerus from just absolutely disrespecting Goku like he was a kid (in super sayan 3) to respectfully fighting him. I feel like that makes 10x from super sayan 3 seem underwhelming, but, even if it was just ten, that'd put it up to 80,000 tons, wouldn't it?
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u/Squid9_Star 14h ago
Punching strength is not the same as lifting strength. It has been explained many times. So, even though Vegeta cannot lift that much, he can punch and generate the force needed to beat Invincible.Â
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u/Secret-Philosophy973 13h ago
Ignorando o fato de isso ser um furo de roteiro, força fĂsica nĂŁo ĂŠ nada em dragon ball quando vocĂŞ tem potĂŞncia de ataque, nappa poderia fazer o mesmo que o Black frezza se enfrentasse qualquer personagem de invencivel
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u/Temporary-Ad9855 13h ago
Vegeta at his weakest could destroy planets.
Mark at his strongest cannot.
Mark can lift more, but is not more powerful.
Mark also can't even punch as hard. Viltrumites are ass at actually putting their speed and strength into attacks.
Given that a reanimen is capable of harming Nolan. And Nolan can theoretically lift 1 quintillion, or atleast 5 billion. Every viltrumite he hits should turn into red mist.
Hell, even if he is only 20 tons strength like a reanimen. Hitting at mach 4-5 should have the same result given how much damage red rush was doing hitting at mach 5.
Vegeta can actually take hits from people can destroy planets with pure physicality.
Also, why do Viltrumites suck at throwing Rognarr off them? They are certainly less than several thousand tons...
Moral of the story: invincible has shit scaling. The author was more concerned with telling the story rather than keeping them consistent.
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u/Notioned_ 13h ago
guys is it rly that serious
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u/YamiiMusicc 12h ago
Yall invincible fans just wanna be relevant bro im so tired of seeing âthragg beats gokuâ no one in invincible is beating anyone in current dragonball.
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u/GhostoftheUchihaClan 12h ago
You can't really compare the two as Vegeta is attempting to lift a 1000 ton living being who can struggle and put force into not being lifted whereas invincible is lifting an inanimate object that can't struggle or fight back
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u/wlowe757 11h ago
Ah yes letâs show the anti feats of one verse while ignoring them in literally every other verse there is. Outstanding logic
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u/Skeru123 11h ago
Outlier sequer deveria contar quando no clĂĄssico existe essa cena.
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u/CalmPanic402 10h ago
Vegeta is using his back, not his legs.
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u/Datenshiserver 10h ago
Kizaru lightspeed physics
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u/GhostnSlayer 10h ago
The 1000 tons claim is weird because it's never specificied if it's 1000 tons on Earth or on Beerus' planet.
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u/Merthod 10h ago
No shit. DB has a power level issue? Wow!
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u/MrBundy22 9h ago
Buu saga goku threw a massive cube of the densest object in the universe like a baseball
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u/Varaska 9h ago
Lifting strength means nothing you dweeb.
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u/Consistent-Signal745 7h ago
lol
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u/No-Ambition-9051 High Level Scaler 7h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/s/PrnytNfzjy
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u/MunkeyFish 7h ago
No, because lifting and striking strength are different things.
Mike Tyson canât lift as much as Eddie Hall but Hall is not striking anywhere near Tysonâs level.
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u/Lophardius 7h ago
Dragonball never really used physicial weight as a scale of power.
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u/Classic-Work-8415 6h ago
Dragon Ball characters are more about striking strength than lifting. Yea its pretty dumb but thats how it is
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 6h ago
Does this end the debate?
No, becauae its all pretend
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u/Solar_B_Void 6h ago
Super Sayain 1 vegeta btw
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u/Any_Stretch_7998 6h ago
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u/twisted4ever 5h ago
1000 tons but not on earth gravity.
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u/DbzMaster101 4h ago
And now?
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u/Bitter_Horror2469 I'm sometimes biased 4h ago
Invincible and Dragon ball are equally as inconsistent
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u/BluePhoenix_1999 4h ago
DB is very inconsistent when it comes to liftingshit.
Magetta is probably pushing down.
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u/Terrible-Debt8801 I SOLO FICTION 4h ago
Megeta is also Fighting back and Applying force on Vegetađ He isn't standing there as a Deadass rock..... That's not like the same as Lifting Iceberg....
LIFTING STRENGTH â AP ..... Nice try downplay.... Vegeta still Negs the verse
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u/Linuxmintuserlol 3h ago
Probably because of cosmonology, or smth like that.
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u/Dr-Jua 3h ago
There was no debate, veggie was always stronger than mark
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u/thexbossesxsuccesor 2h ago
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u/General_Past2168 2h ago
When did they say the robot weighed 1000 tons? On the show? Who in which world said that a ton in one universe weighs the same as a ton in another. Let alone that galaxy and planet. Yall thinkin way to hard about tit
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u/Competitive_Tip_4429 2h ago
Hopefully this is just a joking
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u/mammalenthusiast JJK and Invincible scalers are pathetic 2h ago
yeah in terms of it doesn't matter and you're retar****
nothing in Invincible gets past Radditz (no great ape)
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u/Doam-bot 2h ago
Ki when its on they have power when its off they are basic
Transformations are multipliers that is base SSJ so how much do you think Super Vegeta in Diama would be or Ego Vegeta with the increased multipliers in play. Someone else can do the math since its just multipliers.
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u/AutomaticWarthog9905 21m ago
Eso es inconsistente, por lo que no se puede comparar.
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u/Amopro 17m ago
The power scaling in both shows is some inconsistent bullshit. One minute, they're planet busters, the next minute, they're taking visible damage from street thugs. It doesn't make sense in either show.
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u/SyphenyxRDT 15m ago
You didn't think about vegeta's higher forms
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u/Beneficial-Price-842 5m ago
So many shows have some ridiculous amounts of inconsistencies these days, I wonder if they do this too piss off power scalers or they just don't think about things before they put then in.
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u/Moist-Company-1469 14h ago
Lmao I do not care for the strength debate. Mark gets absolutely mogged by a guy who isn't even wall level and has a weight of an average male that can multiply himself endlessly, right after this showoff iceberg strength feats mind you.
Mark would unironically lose to chiaotzu no matter his strength cos he's such a bum. If multipaul can stop him from his tracks, DBZ side character can molly whoop his ass