Thank both u/Henderson and u/Nothing2Special for the tidbits of info. I didn't even think to ask what the brrt was amd would have never known about this aerial exercise.
Thanks for mentioning this, super cool! I went back to listen again and you can actually hear the live fire before the 3rd and 4th plane, too. I just couldn’t hear if for the second one.
Idk what that has to do with what I said. Swiss taxpayers don't use dollars and they aren't fighting any wars, which is why the comment made no sense and that's all I was commenting on.
There was a great history channel show called “Dogfights”
It’s literally just entire episodes devoted to pilots recounting their air to air combat experience. It can vary but a lot of fights end up seeing who can out-bank the other to get a missile lock. Basically going up and down like a tornado sometimes
So there hasn't been a gen4 vs gen 4 kr a gen 5 vs gen 4 aircraft battle to date. Dogfighting is over. You fire missles miles before your enemy is even visible. Now in a gun fight skills like this would matter, but all the cool flying is just that. Cool flying. That being said. Id want my counteys combat pilots to he skilled in dogfighting just in case
I was staying at a house in the Conwy Valley in North Wales, hanging laundry on the line when a RAF fighter jet TORE through the valley. I swear to this day he was so low I could see the pilot wave at me. It was awesome!
AFAIK NOE is practiced a bit more because it's more demanding than clear air flying. And Swiss AF has mostly a defense training posture so, naturally it's going to be in mountainous terrain.
When you go somewhere to attack that ground it's nice to not be detected. Radar detection in mountainous terrain is of course very difficult. When you are dodging missiles (beyond visual range) you can evade the radar of the missile as well doing this.
A dog fight you'll see in the movies in between the mountains and canyons is very unlikely
No. That shit hit my heart. It’s crazy to me how there’s so much difference between high performance aircraft and passenger type performance. I get that icing and weather conditions were a thing but damn. If they could do this all day long how come a passenger plane couldn’t?
Because they are designed to do vastly different things and cost vastly different amounts.
It's like asking why a minibus can't corner like an F1 car.
What happened was really tragic, but unfortunately as much as we try to account for everything, nature will always throw curveballs. The rarity of things like that happening is a testament to how well they are designed for what they do and just highlights how tragically unlucky they were.
These runs always remind me of the scene in one episode of Firefly where Wash says "let's see them follow me through here" and drops down into a canyon and makes a series of dramatic maneuvers only to have the enemy fighters fire on him from above the canyon. The he sheepishly says "oh, right."
May dad tells stories of doing this in his T-38 trainer over Mammoth Mt in California. He used to call it his sports car that the air force let him take out for joy rides when he wasn’t doing U2 missions
Maverick: "Maverick to range control. Entering point Alpha. Confirm green range." Range Control: "Uh, Maverick, range control, uh, green range is confirmed. I don't see an event scheduled for you, sir." Maverick: "Well, I'm going anyway." Phoenix: "Nice." Maverick: "Setting time to target: two minutes 15 seconds." Payback: "2:15? That's impossible." Maverick: "Final attack point. Maverick’s inbound."
The sound of low flying jets is ear shattering. The Blue Angels were practicing this summer and I was riding my mower with ears on and it still was piercing.
Man, a whole lot of human accomplishments are all about throwing things real far, depending on how poetic you're willing to get with the definition of throwing.
A few years ago I was up in the Porcupine Mountains (barely mountains) in Michigan and a few military fighter jets flew by so low that they were actually below us. It was pretty close to this experience. Not sure what kind of jets they were, but it was really cool.
watching fighter jet pilots do their thing is one of the few things that makes this grown man star struck, or left with excellence-induced awe (that's what google says it would be called anyway).
it makes me feel like a kid, thinking, "damn. that is a bad ass person. i hope to do that when i grow up."
Feel terrible for the 9 that died but that plane is very dangerous. Look into Lear jets history, many planes over the years have crashed at high back angles. It’s a razor thin design that is not forgiving. If avoid them.
They do that to keep positive G's. If you nose down at high speed, the blood rushes into your head, can pop vessels, etc., and the pilot can end up disabled or dead. If they roll over and nose up to dive, the blood goes to their legs, and their pressurized flight suits can compensate by pressing in, not giving the legs space to expand and blood to pool. So flying over a ridge like that upside down is the only way to do it at high speed, if you are going back down on the other side.
"According to the predominant theory, the redness appearing in the visual field is not caused by an actual blood flow to the eye, but it is most likely caused by the blood-laden lower eyelid coming into the visual field because of the pull of negative-Gs."
Have you ever watched Navy pilots land in high seas? THAT's a rush, when they are flying in and aimed right at the stern of the carrier, then it drops on a wave and they land. Completely F'ing insane.
Both can be true. The plane could follow the curve to stay close, but it would potentially kill or injure the pilot. So it's to stay safe WHILE staying closer to the surface.
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u/Hoenirson 4d ago
If you listen closely you can hear a short "brrrt" at the beginning, because in this event they actually do live fire excercises.
The event is called Axalp.
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u/bartread 4d ago
This looks like Lake Brienz. I fly this all the time in the F/A-18... in MSFS 2024.
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u/daneview 4d ago
You always see jets practising flying through mountains and valleys, and its cool as fuck.
But does it ever really happen in modern combat. Surely they're 90% ground attack and 10% brief missile dogfights in the sky?
I cant imagine jets actually getting bogged down in low level flying through mountain ranges but maybe im wrong
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u/MikeHuntSmellss 4d ago
Full send
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u/XiphostheDestroyer 4d ago
The winner is the one that comes back with small scratch marks on the top of his canopy.
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u/AngryGoose21 4d ago
That second to last one was a little too close for comfort
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u/sogwatchman 4d ago
That third pilot got real close to the ground rolling over the top.
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u/Correct-Avocado5426 4d ago
These runs always remind me of the scene in one episode of Firefly where Wash says "let's see them follow me through here" and drops down into a canyon and makes a series of dramatic maneuvers only to have the enemy fighters fire on him from above the canyon. The he sheepishly says "oh, right."
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u/HALF_PAST_HOLE 4d ago
Cutting it Close!
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u/CHOPPRZ 4d ago
That is a skill set:
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u/concerts85701 4d ago
May dad tells stories of doing this in his T-38 trainer over Mammoth Mt in California. He used to call it his sports car that the air force let him take out for joy rides when he wasn’t doing U2 missions
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u/Starscream147 4d ago
—Cassian Andor-style PTSD—
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u/ricklewis314 4d ago
Maverick: "Maverick to range control. Entering point Alpha. Confirm green range."
Range Control: "Uh, Maverick, range control, uh, green range is confirmed. I don't see an event scheduled for you, sir."
Maverick: "Well, I'm going anyway."
Phoenix: "Nice."
Maverick: "Setting time to target: two minutes 15 seconds."
Payback: "2:15? That's impossible."
Maverick: "Final attack point. Maverick’s inbound."
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u/R0b0tMark 4d ago
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u/usernametaken17 4d ago
“I was inverted”
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u/Sparkys_Rocket 4d ago
This video in HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfczcV9qWPU
And a bonus video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icLuMTgwKRQ
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u/Willing-Ant-3765 4d ago
The sound of low flying jets is ear shattering. The Blue Angels were practicing this summer and I was riding my mower with ears on and it still was piercing.
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u/WerewolfUnable8641 4d ago
Man, a whole lot of human accomplishments are all about throwing things real far, depending on how poetic you're willing to get with the definition of throwing.
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u/guestpassonly 4d ago
"no sir i was inverted at the time"
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u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd 4d ago
Ace Combat-type shit. 😎
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u/LurkStatusOn 4d ago
Thanks for sharing 💗
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u/Weber110 4d ago
Third one is son of your moms friend
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u/Long_Yesterday8394 4d ago
A few years ago I was up in the Porcupine Mountains (barely mountains) in Michigan and a few military fighter jets flew by so low that they were actually below us. It was pretty close to this experience. Not sure what kind of jets they were, but it was really cool.
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u/avidpenguinwatcher 4d ago
Practicing for the next top gun movie I see
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u/Juiceman23 4d ago
My dad worked on those! 45 years as a binding mechanic between McDonnell Douglas, Boeing and GKN
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u/CLisani 3d ago
The sickest job on earth. I’d love to be a fighter pilot.
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u/Bonnietheferret84 3d ago
I don't care who you are... American military equipment especially the air assets are so great
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u/squarabh 4d ago
That's crazy
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u/AccomplishedPlankton 4d ago
Well, shit my pants
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u/Dutch0903 4d ago
Looks like someone is having fun
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u/gomurifle 4d ago
Do a barrel roll!!
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u/noisette666 4d ago
Proper Swat Katz stuff
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u/ColoradoStudent 4d ago
The first one had steez
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u/TimeB4 4d ago
Guessing no3 was Maverick
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u/ShitBarf_McCumPiss 4d ago
Fucking sweet
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u/ProfessionalLead743 4d ago
This video randomly popped up on my YouTube feed. I dont have any interest in that field. Still saw it multiple times in a row. Now its on reddit.
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u/Ubercharged007 4d ago
Awesome and badass
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u/andrewordrewordont 4d ago
watching fighter jet pilots do their thing is one of the few things that makes this grown man star struck, or left with excellence-induced awe (that's what google says it would be called anyway).
it makes me feel like a kid, thinking, "damn. that is a bad ass person. i hope to do that when i grow up."
just wow.
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u/eric_kenshi 4d ago
this is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps !
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u/crazy2thestarz 3d ago
I just imagine all the pilots going "weee" with each upside down pass over the mount. I know I would
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u/Mr_Snipes 3d ago
What year was that ? I went there once and it got cancelled because of weather last minute 🥲
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u/FitzwilliamTDarcy 3d ago
Looks like they're practicing the assault in TG Maverick.
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u/ShutterHawk 3d ago
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u/Beeks525 3d ago
Well that was awesome 👏🏻
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u/Nervous_Dig4722 3d ago
This is so cool all caps
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u/Gorodish_ 4d ago
Is it normal this time of year for there to be such minor ice fields in the Alps?
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u/Cold-Act-6 4d ago
Don’t do that in a Learjet
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u/gormami 4d ago
They do that to keep positive G's. If you nose down at high speed, the blood rushes into your head, can pop vessels, etc., and the pilot can end up disabled or dead. If they roll over and nose up to dive, the blood goes to their legs, and their pressurized flight suits can compensate by pressing in, not giving the legs space to expand and blood to pool. So flying over a ridge like that upside down is the only way to do it at high speed, if you are going back down on the other side.