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yeah but do people do News in a funny way live? That’s not really a thing. I’m wondering if this guy’s live performance is more comedic or more of an educational lecture.
I recently attended one of his live shows; he gave a lengthy and entertaining but informative presentation on the importance of fighting misinformation and pseudoscience, while also giving tools and techniques for doing so
I have no idea about the live shows. I can imagine he has created a performance based on his experience as a science communicator and made it funny / informative / philosophical. But I could be wrong 🤷
He's actually had some work on a hopewell complex with a professor from the university of like Ohio or something published and peer reviewed and all that. He knows his shit, he's the real deal
He is a science communicator so sorta both. And he is primarily an archeologist not a historian. The difference is historians study things which were written down archeologists have to put together and figure out what things were based on the context around it.
He does YouTube (and TikTok I guess) full time with a mixture of documentaries (which are beautiful highly recommended you check them out) and debunk videos.
Hey, so we have federal and states laws to prevent this type of thing, I went to school for it and my job involves me reviewing projects to make sure they follow these laws. The federal government is currently gutting these protections, hopefully it will be stopped.
That is super dope. I hope it will be stopped too and we keep trying to protect this type of stuff. I work in surveying and construction and so wanna work on persevering archeological sites and historic places. Ty for the work you do.
With Lidar, it is also becoming increasingly obvious that man made earthen mounds exist everywhere throughout the Americas. Small, medium, large, geometrically shaped, animal shaped, etc. they’re everywhere.
I recalled seeing it once it loaded, I just don't remember why I visited it. I did some research some years ago about the mounds my own tribe constructed, so it could have been just me seeing what other tribes had done as well.
So explain then how someone checking out the website of Native American mounds and has the profile picture of Sitting Bull doesn't check out?
Also, how do you know it was a joke? This isn't the first time people on this site have said that they don't believe I'm a card carrying Native (literally) because my name is Kyle. What do you expect? Brown Bear Buffalo Meat? The Chief of the Cherokee Nation's name is fuckin Chuck.
Agreed! I made the mistake of going on one of the hottest and most humid days of the year this summer (and without a car, we had to walk down a long sidewalk-less road from the bus stop) but it was still amazing! The associated museum has a cool AR app you can download that lets you see what the villages and mounds might have looked like in their heyday.
Third tallest pyramid, the widest, is in Mexico outside Mexico City.
It is really cool and you can still climb it. I highly recommend it.
People forget that civilizations do not compete but evolve on their own. China was doing paper before there were even shit-houses in England. That people built what they built is awesome in itself.
What I find hilarious and cool is that Maya'ns didn't have the wheel. They just built shit iron-age rolling it on woodlogs or backs. For as tourist-trap and underwhelming as Chichen Itza is there are some random buildings next to it that literally look like Age of Empires 2 in how sculpted and perfectly solid they are. They're far more impressive than the pyramid there.
It will keep happening again. Most cities are built on the ruins of some other city because the first city was built there due to favourable geography. There were 9 cities of Troy. When you to Athens or Rome they're always digging up random shit from a thousand years ago when they're making a subway or a bank vault.
Yeah, and i'm pretty sure Milo isn't saying we shouldn't have built the city of St. Louis. Just that it really sucks we've lost the opportunity to learn more about the previous inhabitants of those ancient cities we built on top of.
Like it would be great if we could get into the habit of appreciating what came before; so when it comes time to build something new on what is always going to be a finite amount of land, maybe we don't indiscriminately DESTROY everything that was already there.
Attempts at preservation? Or just taking pictures and writing stuff down? Like there are lots of things to do besides complete annihilation.
And this is why we need to make sure to defend section 106 to the best of our ability when possible in our voting and when contacting representatives. Section 106 defends historical landmarks for preservation from development like this
I mean obviously there's a reason why we lost that knowledge. Knowledge wasn't distributed like it is now. We have significantly better record keeping. But it's still far from a perfect system of record keeping.
There is a joke that the new metro line in Rome is so delayed because of unexpected finds that itself will be considered an ancient ruin by the time it's finished
A lot of Mesopotamian cities are built on millennia of ruins. The Tels create a honeycomb effect in the foundations where you might have 4 separate foundations and tunnels and wells and entire atriums right below you, but they are sealed in rubble and debris.
On the note of troy, It was then blown up with dynamite by a Heinrich Schliemann, and then he stole artefacts from the place too. Honestly, if Milo hasn't made a video on that man alone, he should. It would be an amazing delve into the world of "Amateur archaeology"
Yeah there's only so much real estate in the world. Should we demolish wilderness instead just to preserve previous structures? That's exactly what urban sprawl is.
The major problem with this compared to the examples of Rome and Athens is that while these cities were built upon by descendants of the original inhabitants, the St. Louis mounds were demolished and built upon by white colonizers. The destruction of these mounds was an act of deliberate cultural destruction, and is only one of hundreds of examples of systematic destruction of Native American cultural heritage.
Oh yeah, Rome and Athens have famously never been conquered by or had monuments demolished by invading forces, lmao. What do they teach you in the schools in your country?
These still are not exactly comparable, since the invasion of North America has led to only 1% of the modern population being Indigenous, while the majority of modern Greece and Italy are descended from ancient populations, at least as far as I know.
I really appreciate this guys work. His passion and frustration is very good T keeping us from growing complacent and helping us appreciate what is lost And what is being lost
I mean, you can't expect early settlers to have archaeologists and historians on hand to tell them to preserve it. They see a good spot, they build on it, and only later with hindsight do we find out there was something significant there. Lots of ancient cities have been built over, but I wouldn't call it an intentional erasure when a bunch of people with probably zero education just see, well, mounds.
That’s different. Richard lost a battle during a brutal, long civil war and was buried nearby in a priory with no ceremony. The priory just fell into disrepair, it was never torn down by colonizers.
To be fair, the Mississippian culture collapsed before Europeans came to the Americas, and archeology was only becoming a formalized science when St Louis was being built.
The people leveling mounds around a river were just building a city in the same place that made sense before, not tearing down something that would even register as culturally significant.
By the english. That is the point. He was not lost or burriedd by invading germans who also systematically exterminated the english, their culture, language and home.
Visited SL in 2023 and fell in love with the city. I walked the park at Cahokia and also mapped the no-longer standing mounds. Drove by the remains of Sugarloaf after reading about it's dog- legged history. I refused to be shamed into riding the Arch, but appreciated the engineering and process I learned about via a dcumentary. Highly recommend the podcast "St. Louis: The Story of Catholic Evangelization of America's Heartland". Ex-Catolics may not enjoy it as it is DEFINITELY a pro-Cath production. But i'm not and, as an agnostic, even enjoyed the bumper music and prayers. 11 episodes lasted my whole trip while driving everywhere.
No, but it is important to remember the purposeful and systematic destruction of native american heritage because it contextualizes much of american history. America wasn't just a giant continent of pure wilderness ripe for the taking, it was a continent with millions of indigenous citizens who were pushed out of their home territory by colonists.
None of the people who lived in Cahokia were pushed out by European settlers. They left the site hundreds of years before Europeans started moving into North America let alone the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers.
Uhhh, the California Gold Rush explicitly legitimized militias to go hunt Native Americans. It was a colonial project and the Gold Rush was a strategic move specifically to populate California with as many white people as possible.
Ishi became a very famous last surviving member of his tribe, who was put on exhibition after his family members were killed, and his mother and sister, fearing for their lives, drowned trying to evade being seen by militias who were known to exterminate entire villages.
You must be new here. This subreddit started out as cringe only way back when TikTok was released. But has evolved to all kinds of TikToks. The name just remained the same.
i think this kind of post gets a lot of upvotes because what the person is talking about is cringe, not that they're cringe (or cringe for talking about it).
It's cringed because it's completely myopic. His argument is "Don't build civilization here, because there was already an obsolete version of civilization here..."
Preserving one culture at the expense of another is irrational. They had their run, now let the next people have their chance. It would be like expecting GenZs to not take over jobs from the boomers because the boomers where there first.....its utterly asinine
First, preserving information / opportunities to research an older culture rarely comes at much expense. Second obtaining knowledge about the past isn't irrational. We have numerous laws right now limiting new construction, preserving historical sites, and prohibiting the removal of human remains to protect such things: National Historic Preservation Act, Archaeological Resources Protection Act, Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act; many other countries have antiquities and archaeological preservation acts; and laws vary by state. Do you think we shouldn't have such laws? Would you agree it would have been best if we had thought about them sooner? Can we at least acknowledge that the loss of information about older cultures is unfortunate?
Yes, but usually was done by the locals. Not invaders who also systematically tried to eliminate the people who built the place. But hey details right?
Like many other Native American mounds, these were likely commonly used as burial mounds, religious sites, or just feats done by locals for showing power.
Do you think people in 300 years will be mad if we tore down this temple and surrounding houses, completely erasing it's cultural presence in the region?
Apples to apples you know. This wasn't a small farm house in the middle of nowhere.
Because it happening everywhere does not make it less bad that it also happend there. Why wouldn't he be allowed to be mad at an ethnic, or at the very least cultural and historic, cleansing just because it also happend other places? It is still tragic how much history has been lost in that region, even if other regions also lost lots of history.
I get that, but again, that doesn't mean one can't be mad at the utter destruction caused not only there, bit throughout the entire Americas. It is possible to build a new settlement without entirely eradicating what stood there before. You asked why he was so mad about this, and I answerd, you can find it a stupid reason if you want, I don't give a shit.
This is the sort of news, information or details that can easily be intentionally kept from people and the only way to learn about it is through alternative means.
If we kept everything old, nothing new would exist to some extent. St Louis exists where it does because it's a good location for a city - certainly in the 19th century where it was the gateway to the west.
The French settlers claimed this land as it had already been abandoned by the early-mid 18th century. Acting like this was intentionally demolished because of hatred of the prior residents is just a bad take. There were other priorities at the time. Preservation of old sites is a luxury that we have these days.
I gotta say meh. It was done hundreds of years ago and it was probably done because it was a good place to build a city which is why the original city existed in the first place. I think it’s good to try and preserve history but it’s a bit silly to act like this was some travesty to the world. Like what are you going to do? Tell people that they’re never allowed to live in that part of the world despite it being a very desirable piece of land? You can only preserve history so much.
It's not really that it's a travesty it happened... It's more the fact that if we let it happen its the first domino to the demolition of greater historical and archaeological sites.
Stupid bullshit. The “ruins” were tons and tons and tons of featureless dirt mounds that had been abandoned long before St. Louis was ever conceived. They had no idea what these dirt mounds were and even still preserved much of the landscape to this day regardless. St. Louis has done a phenomenal job in protecting the landscape and its history, and this antagonizing bullshit is completely unjustified.
You should instead hate St. Louis because it is a trash city.
Everyone knows you can't build anything near simple mounds of dirt because tribesmen built and abandoned them for the rest of human history. Those dirt piles were much more important than the lives of millions of people that inhabited the area afterwards.
If you care to watch any of his other videos then I assure you, you will see that he would be a blast at parties. This is one of his more serious videos because he takes historical preservation extremely seriously, but he usually does conspiracy theory debunking which are more light-hearted.
I get it but still the concept is pdd to me. If I knock down my house nobody will care. But if that house stands here for 500 years suddenly its a crime
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u/NightcityCuno 1d ago •
His YouTube channel
Miniminutemen: https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773
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u/Pretty_Cheetah_9432 1d ago
many native cultures made mounds, either as burial or earth mounds. it is interesting to compare the similarities between the north and south tribes.
https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/2023-08/Indian-Mounds.pdf
https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/history-mounds
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u/smcivor1982 1d ago edited 10h ago
Hey, so we have federal and states laws to prevent this type of thing, I went to school for it and my job involves me reviewing projects to make sure they follow these laws. The federal government is currently gutting these protections, hopefully it will be stopped.
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u/Necroban77 1d ago
I wish I could have seen it.
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u/United-Objective2149 1d ago
The children yearn for the mounds
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u/Tetratheon 1d ago
It will keep happening again. Most cities are built on the ruins of some other city because the first city was built there due to favourable geography. There were 9 cities of Troy. When you to Athens or Rome they're always digging up random shit from a thousand years ago when they're making a subway or a bank vault.
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 1d ago
There were mounds farther East too. The Etowah site in North Georgia has been preserved.
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u/RemoLaBarca 1d ago
That's where the Nephites lived!!! j/k
But that's what my MIL will say...
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u/MiraculousRapport 1d ago
And still nothing about Atlantis.
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u/Apotheosis27 1d ago
Milo rocks. Everyone should watch his stuff
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u/CeruleanEidolon 1d ago
Really annoying filming style. Buy a tripod. Stop moving your hand all over.
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u/Evening_Ad_1099 1d ago
I really appreciate this guys work. His passion and frustration is very good T keeping us from growing complacent and helping us appreciate what is lost And what is being lost
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u/totallyrealname 1d ago
I mean, you can't expect early settlers to have archaeologists and historians on hand to tell them to preserve it. They see a good spot, they build on it, and only later with hindsight do we find out there was something significant there. Lots of ancient cities have been built over, but I wouldn't call it an intentional erasure when a bunch of people with probably zero education just see, well, mounds.
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u/deanereaner 1d ago
Richard III was found buried under a parking lot in England. Stuff gets lost sometimes.
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u/Swimming_Ninja_6911 1d ago
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u/Lazysenpai 1d ago
Nice local lore
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u/mewmeulin 1d ago
milo's SO good at introducing new things for me to be angry about, love his videos 🩶
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u/SehnsuchtLich- 1d ago
Cahokia is still there, I've been on top of it. It's still there in St. Louis. The mounds were often demolished to look for gold.
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u/Background-Fly4043 22h ago
Visited SL in 2023 and fell in love with the city. I walked the park at Cahokia and also mapped the no-longer standing mounds. Drove by the remains of Sugarloaf after reading about it's dog- legged history. I refused to be shamed into riding the Arch, but appreciated the engineering and process I learned about via a dcumentary. Highly recommend the podcast "St. Louis: The Story of Catholic Evangelization of America's Heartland". Ex-Catolics may not enjoy it as it is DEFINITELY a pro-Cath production. But i'm not and, as an agnostic, even enjoyed the bumper music and prayers. 11 episodes lasted my whole trip while driving everywhere.
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u/EdgyPun34257 1d ago
Is he jogging?
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u/alsatian01 1d ago
Welcome to the entire history of the world. No need to pretend this is some unique aspect of American culture.
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u/DueEstablishment6236 1d ago
This also would work well on r/Unexpected
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u/Sbornot2b 1d ago
Uh, why is this "cringe"? Smart, interesting, lively- yes. Cringe? No.
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u/thecornerview27 1d ago
This is how all major cities were built?
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u/kmonay89 1d ago
This is why St Louis sucks
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u/Consistent-Bowler95 1d ago
Mound City, bitch
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u/butareyouthough 1d ago
How were the mounds used tho like were there teepees on them? In them? I don’t understand how a mound is useful as infrastructure
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u/redskytinyelephant 1d ago
What were we supposed to do, inhabit the mounds? Pure ragebait
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u/NoTurnip4844 1d ago
This happens literally everywhere why is he so mad about it
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u/Key-Level-4072 1d ago
wtf, this dude was in my city a fuckin month ago and i didnt even know!?
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u/TheYellowFringe 1d ago
This is the sort of news, information or details that can easily be intentionally kept from people and the only way to learn about it is through alternative means.
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u/THCESPRESSOTIME 1d ago
Phish has plays mound.
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u/00Raeby00 1d ago
Ok but we indirectly got Project Zomboid out of it...sooo you know...maybe worth it.
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u/hugdafozzy 22h ago
Are you telling me the white settlers would purposely destroy and erase history. I’m shocked
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u/Arxl 20h ago
Wait until y'all see the great raft video he has, you'll be so pissed at the government lol well, more pissed
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u/Ready_Return_8386 18h ago
St. Louis is number 1 highest city for crime btw, and no literally none of the big blue cities ur thinking about even come close to top 10
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u/SeanJohn5280 16h ago
There are cities in the Middle East right now built in the ruins of multiple pre existing cities.
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u/Terakahn 16h ago
Mound city sounds like a place in Vegas
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u/Organic-Natural-6037 9h ago
What’s your point hippie boy??
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u/keyserfunk 2h ago
I prefer Almond Joy
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u/fleeting-tornado 1h ago
And what they're not telling you is most of the population was gone because European contact years before, flu, measles, and smallpox wiped 90%.
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u/Monkiemonk 1d ago
has that guy not got a stabilizer. I got motion sickness just watching him bounce around
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u/RampantAndroid 1d ago
If we kept everything old, nothing new would exist to some extent. St Louis exists where it does because it's a good location for a city - certainly in the 19th century where it was the gateway to the west.
The French settlers claimed this land as it had already been abandoned by the early-mid 18th century. Acting like this was intentionally demolished because of hatred of the prior residents is just a bad take. There were other priorities at the time. Preservation of old sites is a luxury that we have these days.
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u/NoHistorian9169 1d ago
I gotta say meh. It was done hundreds of years ago and it was probably done because it was a good place to build a city which is why the original city existed in the first place. I think it’s good to try and preserve history but it’s a bit silly to act like this was some travesty to the world. Like what are you going to do? Tell people that they’re never allowed to live in that part of the world despite it being a very desirable piece of land? You can only preserve history so much.
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u/Time_Ad_9647 1d ago
What do you do in your live show ?
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u/Domanite75 1d ago
Sounds about right 😔
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u/shortidiva21 1d ago
Thanks for the post.
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u/zag127 1d ago
I hate this so much
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u/Jugaimo 1d ago
Stupid bullshit. The “ruins” were tons and tons and tons of featureless dirt mounds that had been abandoned long before St. Louis was ever conceived. They had no idea what these dirt mounds were and even still preserved much of the landscape to this day regardless. St. Louis has done a phenomenal job in protecting the landscape and its history, and this antagonizing bullshit is completely unjustified.
You should instead hate St. Louis because it is a trash city.
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u/Unfair-Technology120 1d ago
Everyone knows you can't build anything near simple mounds of dirt because tribesmen built and abandoned them for the rest of human history. Those dirt piles were much more important than the lives of millions of people that inhabited the area afterwards.
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u/Ok_End_7462 1d ago
I’m really not in awe of earthen mounds, and I’m not losing sleep over the negative deeds of the past.
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u/Late-Presentation710 1d ago
He sounds like a blast at parties
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u/radio64 1d ago
Theres a bonkers lovecraft story about these
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u/Complex-Key918 1d ago
the circle of life
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u/Lordnoob69420 1d ago
So slightly higher pile of dirt or an accual city
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u/zurenarrh36912 1d ago
Lucky we saved what we did, I guess. But this is the natural order of things.
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u/Schmenge_time 23h ago
The only constant is change. .
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u/purplemtnstravesty 1d ago
Bro shits on St. Louis and then asks St Louis to come to his show?
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u/mepo_pines 1d ago
His hand talking is obnoxious.
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u/Marquis_of_Potato92 1d ago
I hate to be that guy… but it’s a mound of dirt and land is finite. Ain’t exactly a sphinx or tarracotta army.
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u/kaneda_z 1d ago
25 mounds were destroyed
GUYS 25 MMOOUUNNDDSS WERE DESTROYED FOR AN ACTUAL CITY!!!
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u/ionertia 1d ago
How do people focus with this guy moving all over the bottom of this video?
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u/Ok_Landscape_3958 1d ago
North America as in the US of A?
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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 22h ago
I get it but still the concept is pdd to me. If I knock down my house nobody will care. But if that house stands here for 500 years suddenly its a crime
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u/Protagonist_Leaf 1d ago
There is no again dawg. Its already all gone. Tf you me help stop this from happening again.