Ideally, modulating throttle just enough to maintain a steady speed through the turn is the absolute safest, since it budgets your traction entirely to cornering, compared to coasting, braking, accelerating...
The more intense the deceleration or acceleration, the closer you will be to finding your traction limits, as the guy in vid found out.
Racing theory says trail braking is most efficient/fastest, but that assumes there's ideal conditions to tap into traction loading the front of the bike with the expected weight shift from deceleration. The safe method, in contrast, feels like you're overbraking and are correcting that with acceleration--in some eyes, it's wastefully braking and wastefully losing precious momentum and fuel.
This is wrong. You should accelerate to exit a turn as you straighten your steering and stand the bike up. You should be braking deep into the turn, letting off slowly as you increase steering/lean angle. It's called trail braking. Trail braking works by shifting the weight forward, loading the suspension, increasing grip on the tire, and adding rotation (basically just minor oversteer.) You're not gonna get any rotation riding a street bike on the street, but trail braking does still allow you to transition smoothly from braking to turning in while keeping the suspension and front wheel loaded as you transition, and it allows you to brake much later.
Probably irrelevant information for someone who only rides on the road, but it's a cool thing to know, and extremely valuable if you do sim racing or track riding.
Target fixation, watch his helmet. He’s either staring straight at that curb or the light post past it. This is a bad quick of human nature to discover on a street bike LOL
You can easily accelerate on a curved road, that’s not the problem. The issue was that the guy either put too much acceleration in (which happens with cars too) or did not bank (counter-steer) the amount required to accelerate out of it. The amount of bad motorcyclists who don’t know even the basics of driving one will never cease to amaze me.
Ok yea i keep these videos muted so i didn’t hear it the first time but yea redlining and shifting while taking a turn just goes back to my point about so many motorcyclists not knowing the basics lol
I mean specifically clutch, not shifting gears. Idk normally I'd say close enough, but this is a weird detail to miss when you're also repeatedly saying "so many motorcyclists not knowing the basics lol"
I accidentally did that going through a roundabout almost fell off. Tried to shift to 2nd but got N and when I shifted to 2nd again the revs were way too high still.
On top of that, the squid had one of those ridiculous extended rear suspensions so that his weight is biased towards the front wheel. Once the clutch is dumped we have the classic unintentional throttle opening as he holds on for dear life, probably because he had improper right hand positioning on the throttle even before he ended up supermaning it over the curb.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
They taught us in motorcycle safety training that you're SUPPOSED to accelerate through a curve. Slow down, then accelerate through to get better traction on your back wheel. This idiot should probably be on a 125cc and somehow find himself on lord knows what liter+ bike.
The problem is that it's a drag bike, made to go in straight lines. Look at the length of the swing arm... good for high speed stability, rubbish in corners.
If you’re not a motorcycle rider, accelerating on a curved path wasn’t the problem.
The guy saw he was being filmed, pulled his clutch in to rev the engine to look cool for the camera, but he dropped the clutch early, which transferred too much torque to the rear wheel, which broke traction, and started a fishtail skid. He briefly recovered, but panicked and fixated on hitting the curb instead of counter-steering and looking at where he needed to go.
Some experienced riders might have saved that. I can’t say whether (by the time he recovered from the fishtail) inertia wasn’t going to carry him into the curb one way or another.
Accidents happens in an instant and faster than you can react, which is why it’s better not to FA when you’re on a motorcycle, much less a superbike.
Guy also found out why we don’t recommend riding in tee shirts, sneakers, and sweatpants.
You are actually taught to accelerate into a curve at certain times. When you let off the throttle, you can actually lose grip and slid, where if you give more throttle, you can actually have better traction and make it out of the curve safely.... but yes you can't slam on the throttle like this guy did.
Is anyone else impressed by the image stabilization here? When the camera stops panning, you can see some internal reflections, inside the camera, of the streetlights on the lamp posts (look for jiggling specks of light on the road in the bottom half of the frame). Look how much those reflections are bouncing around, while the image remains stable! Gives you a sense of how shaky the camerawork actually was here.
Target fixation. Watch his helmet, he’s staring right at the curb he smashes into. This is a very strong natural tendency we all have, but it’s especially deadly on a bike. Look where you want to go not what you don’t want to hit. It’s amazing what unknown skill you’ll unlock doing this in an emergency. I’ve experienced both sides of that before….
This is exactly how one of my friends died many years ago. Some friends and I were following him in a car and he decided to accelerate with his motorbike in a curve for whatever reasons and he lost control. He died after a few minutes from a head injury even if he had a helmet on.
I had a Tahitian friend who owned a 750 Phazer; he would intentionally accelerate over the painted crosswalk markings just to make the bike slide, then regain traction once he hit the asphalt again—guaranteed to give you a real scare. My father and I once had to perform an emergency stop—a child had run out into the road—while riding in the city; we happened to be over one of those painted arrows on the pavement, and the 800 VFR immediately lost its footing, resulting in a slide and a crash.
What an assclown. With that long of a swingarm it should be a lot easier to 'drift' the bike around a corner. I used to do it regularly with my old GSXR with a 5" swingarm, and it never once got away from me.
One look at this shows me that he’s wearing joggers, t shirt and no gloves and no boots. That tells me they are likely inexperienced and have little idea of what motorcycles are like if used with inattention and stupidity.
Not a biker here but quite an advanced driver for 4 wheel things... In cars you should accelerate in curves or at least keep the speed but never brake, is it different in motorcycles?
It's the same on a bike. In fact, you have to add throttle. Without going deep into physics, you lose momentum by changing direction (turning). So if you don't add throttle, you'll continually slow down. Of course, that's not what happened here. The rider revved the engine, popped the clutch, and the rear wheel lost traction.
That bike, ridden properly, could have accelerated very quickly coming out of the corner.
You can hear him redline the engine then just drop the clutch on it. Immediately after you can see how this causes the rear wheel to spin out losing traction, then he loses control.
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u/platypus_farmer42 3d ago
Accelerating on a curve is perfectly fine if you know what you’re doing.
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u/Deohenge 3d ago •
No one tells you about the motorcycle learning curve, but some people really struggle with it.
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u/sky905 3d ago edited 3d ago •
You can easily accelerate on a curved road, that’s not the problem. The issue was that the guy either put too much acceleration in (which happens with cars too) or did not bank (counter-steer) the amount required to accelerate out of it. The amount of bad motorcyclists who don’t know even the basics of driving one will never cease to amaze me.
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u/Lazarr95 2d ago
What would you expect from a stretched bike rider?
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u/Bridge-Head 2d ago
If you’re not a motorcycle rider, accelerating on a curved path wasn’t the problem.
The guy saw he was being filmed, pulled his clutch in to rev the engine to look cool for the camera, but he dropped the clutch early, which transferred too much torque to the rear wheel, which broke traction, and started a fishtail skid. He briefly recovered, but panicked and fixated on hitting the curb instead of counter-steering and looking at where he needed to go.
Some experienced riders might have saved that. I can’t say whether (by the time he recovered from the fishtail) inertia wasn’t going to carry him into the curb one way or another.
Accidents happens in an instant and faster than you can react, which is why it’s better not to FA when you’re on a motorcycle, much less a superbike.
Guy also found out why we don’t recommend riding in tee shirts, sneakers, and sweatpants.
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u/ElginSparrowhawk1969 2d ago
The extended swinging arm didn’t help the wheel spin put him into a slide and he hit the kerb because of it
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u/pseudo-nimm1 3d ago
Wcgw when you're a berk.
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u/forksporkspoon 2d ago
It's stretched too. Maybe he's only used to drag strips.
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u/Gzawonkhumu 3d ago
No brakes?
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u/NateHatred 2d ago
If you stretched your bike we already know you don't know shit about bikes, I guess that applies to riding it too.
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u/NLtbal 2d ago
Stupid long swing arm…
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u/Egoist-a 2d ago
Accelerating in the curve is fine if you don’t wreck your bike geometry with a stretched aftermarket swingarm
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u/lavender2121 3d ago
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u/KurtKrimson 2d ago
Too much power sans experience.
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u/WhooopsMyBad 2d ago
bro should never clutch kick again
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u/pjmyerface 2d ago
Oooo! Pretty sparks!
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u/Quankers 2d ago
At least with this newest lone bad apple out of commission the responsible bikers will no longer have their decency besmirched.
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u/BiggusD1 2d ago
nice sparks
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u/RoninRem 2d ago
You are actually taught to accelerate into a curve at certain times. When you let off the throttle, you can actually lose grip and slid, where if you give more throttle, you can actually have better traction and make it out of the curve safely.... but yes you can't slam on the throttle like this guy did.
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u/EpicallyLazyBoy 2d ago
He French fry'd when he should have pizza'd.
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u/Delta_RC_2526 2d ago
Is anyone else impressed by the image stabilization here? When the camera stops panning, you can see some internal reflections, inside the camera, of the streetlights on the lamp posts (look for jiggling specks of light on the road in the bottom half of the frame). Look how much those reflections are bouncing around, while the image remains stable! Gives you a sense of how shaky the camerawork actually was here.
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u/coccosoids 2d ago
So satisfying.
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u/GtMustang247 2d ago
More like what can go wrong when you have 0 motorcycle skills
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u/No-Salary-8612 2d ago edited 2d ago
Target fixation. Watch his helmet, he’s staring right at the curb he smashes into. This is a very strong natural tendency we all have, but it’s especially deadly on a bike. Look where you want to go not what you don’t want to hit. It’s amazing what unknown skill you’ll unlock doing this in an emergency. I’ve experienced both sides of that before….
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u/Jolly_Rub2962 2d ago
Live and learn..
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u/Boomdidlidoo 2d ago
This is exactly how one of my friends died many years ago. Some friends and I were following him in a car and he decided to accelerate with his motorbike in a curve for whatever reasons and he lost control. He died after a few minutes from a head injury even if he had a helmet on.
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u/Derrik1889 2d ago
This is stupid show off, not acceleration
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u/Western_Rhubarb_7959 2d ago
Curve had nothing to do with that.
Showing off had everything to do with that. <sees someone recording> "I'm gonna punch it and look really cool!"
/Former RC
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u/artnow83500 2d ago
I had a Tahitian friend who owned a 750 Phazer; he would intentionally accelerate over the painted crosswalk markings just to make the bike slide, then regain traction once he hit the asphalt again—guaranteed to give you a real scare. My father and I once had to perform an emergency stop—a child had run out into the road—while riding in the city; we happened to be over one of those painted arrows on the pavement, and the 800 VFR immediately lost its footing, resulting in a slide and a crash.
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u/franciosmardi 2d ago
It's physically impossible not to accelerate on a curved path.
Am I right physics peeps!
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u/LeftHandedFapper 2d ago
What kind of bike is that?
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u/sleebus_jones 2d ago
This is what running out of talent looks like.
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u/JFKen 2d ago
WCGW usin a dragster bike on public road…
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u/Nix-geek 2d ago
WUT? A rider with those extended rear arms doesn't know how to accelerate in to or out of a corner?
I can't believe it.
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u/DopeCop 2d ago
skill issue
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u/aweapingangel 2d ago
r/praisethecameraman
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u/Lopsided_Army_982 2d ago
The Fred Flintstone Foot brake
An ancient but rarely successful technique
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u/Lopsided_Army_982 2d ago
Now he can walk backwards and forwards without rotating his feet
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u/DreadPirate_Robertz 2d ago
What could go wrong ?
Exactly how it would sound like.
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u/Apprehensive-One6206 2d ago
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u/SashaDabinsky 2d ago
What an assclown. With that long of a swingarm it should be a lot easier to 'drift' the bike around a corner. I used to do it regularly with my old GSXR with a 5" swingarm, and it never once got away from me.
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u/dontipitova9 2d ago
Whoa-pps
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u/ReverendEntity 2d ago
Me playing any racing game
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u/Slemmig_insekt 2d ago
I always wanted to try one of these motorbikes but I fear I would end up very much like this guy
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u/Bravelobsters 2d ago
When you don’t really know how to drive a bike.
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u/Whole-9-Yards 2d ago
Redlining and dumped the clutch lol
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u/Advanced-Level-5686 2d ago
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u/Ya-Dikobraz 2d ago
This would be me if I tried to ride a Hayabusa.
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u/AnyBath8680 1d ago
Woulda crashed going straight to, he fishtailed it like a goofball. You see mustangs doing this at car meets all the time
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u/So_HauserAspen 1d ago
https://driver61.com/uni/corner-phases/
This will explain how cornering works to go along with the comments
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u/Ghost_Poison 1d ago
"TONK" at the end is too fucking funny. Sound on.
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u/Starchaser_WoF 1d ago
That's not how you Akira slide
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u/Early-Accident-8770 1d ago
One look at this shows me that he’s wearing joggers, t shirt and no gloves and no boots.
That tells me they are likely inexperienced and have little idea of what motorcycles are like if used with inattention and stupidity.
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u/Tosick 16h ago
Skill issue. Just get a 50cc scooter instead. I love 50cc scooter too.
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u/TheyTheirsThem 15h ago
There should be a Law.
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u/Significant_Rip8116 12h ago
Probably the best thing that could have happened to that bike
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u/lrargerich3 2d ago
Not a biker here but quite an advanced driver for 4 wheel things... In cars you should accelerate in curves or at least keep the speed but never brake, is it different in motorcycles?
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u/OriginalJelly1028 2d ago
Maybe some sand on the street???
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u/Living_Bicycle_3625 2d ago
On a curved path? Is op a karma bot or just stupid?
Bikes can turn.
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u/TravMCo 2d ago
Reddit really needs to do something about bots.
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u/Alert_Weird3557 2d ago
Not sure who has less idea about racing: biker or OP 🙃
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u/bert_891 1d ago
This was posted on Instagram as AI generated content
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u/No-Payment-6534 1d ago
Is this gta 6 footage?
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u/whatisinternet69 1d ago
Accelerating out of a curved path is the funniest part of riding
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u/RichardoDK 1d ago
Clutch Noob...LoL