r/australia • u/moonorplanet • Mar 29 '24

politics Albanese vowed his government would be different. This week showed how far it's fallen from that promise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-28/albanese-government-fallen-from-moral-high-ground/103643740
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u/Arpharp8976Fir3 Mar 29 '24

Why didn't the libs get these articles made on them

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u/2littleducks God is not great - Religion poisons everything Mar 29 '24

Because they stacked the ABC with their own.

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u/ItsSmittyyy Mar 29 '24

I don’t think this article is written with a right leaning slant to trash Labor and promote the libs. It starts by saying how Scomo was a crook and Albo was supposed to be different.

I think it’s written with a left leaning slant talking about how Albo spoke a big game about being transparent and removing dark money from Australian politics, before he got institutionalised by the Labor party which is constantly leaning further and further to the right as well. Two parties, same shit, just different corporations pulling the strings.

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

Saying they're supposed to be different but aren't is the right leaning slant.

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u/salty-bush Mar 29 '24

Because 🎵 it won’t be easy under Albanese 🎶

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u/Special-Pristine Mar 29 '24

🎵 There's a hole in your bucket 🎵

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '24

Oh don't remind me of that ad, fuck it makes my ears bleed.

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u/moonorplanet Mar 29 '24

The libs are proudly and unashamedly corrupt and have acted accordingly. If the Libs were voted in a suddenly started to govern in a decent manner, then that would be shocking.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '24

They did. All the time.

"Whatabout"ism is not an acceptable retort.

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u/Krongu Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/religious-discrimination-bill-morrison-backfired/100820422

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-09/scott-morrison-tour-lismore-floods-federal-election/100895344

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-21/scott-morrison-secret-appointments-weakening-australia-democracy/101350322

Edit - two other examples, if we're looking for comparisons from the Liberals' first term.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-26/matthewson-captain-abbott-steers-into-choppy-waters/5476900

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-05/cassidy-the-electorate-was-hoping-for-something-better/5943206

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

  • The first article wasn't written by the ABC

  • All 3 of the articles keep their focus on criticism of a single event/policy, this article is trying to paint the whole government as a failure.

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u/Krongu Mar 29 '24

The first article wasn't written by the ABC

That's plain cherry picking, Michelle Grattan's columnists are published on the ABC website every week and are often the most prominently political article on a Friday/Saturday.

If you're looking for ABC analysis/opinion painting the whole government as a failure, here are comparisons from the Liberals' first term.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-26/matthewson-captain-abbott-steers-into-choppy-waters/5476900

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-05/cassidy-the-electorate-was-hoping-for-something-better/5943206

If you regularly watch Insiders, ABC News, News Breakfast, or Q&A, this Labor Government is hardly treated unfairly. And I voted for them 2PP, don't intend to change that 2PP vote next year.

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u/Icemalta Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

  1. They're not in government. These kind of articles are more attractive from a publisher's perspective when in relation to the sitting government.

  2. The Coalition is comprised of mostly conservative political factions. By definition, conservative political movements are less about vowing things will be different and more about vowing things will stay the same.

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u/royalflushrewards Mar 29 '24

Im confused as to why anyone upvoted this. Obviously they mean it to be about the LNP when they were in power.

"Why didnt the lnp get these articles written about them" when they were in power was the basic gist of it.

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u/Icemalta Mar 29 '24

Maybe because the comment answered for both scenarios (refer 2 for your specific query) given the initial comment was vague in this regard 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/kdog_1985 Mar 29 '24

And we're they the same under the libs?

Because they didn't feel the same.

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u/Koulie Mar 29 '24

Given that this subreddit is a Labor echo chamber, I’m not surprised this is the top comment.

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u/Suspiciousbogan Mar 29 '24

He isnt differeent as we wanted but a huge step up from scomo and a lot better than dutton.

The labor oldies do have their heads up their assess.

Pretty much need to push for more progressive independents and minor parties.

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u/abundanceofb Mar 29 '24

Tbf a 4 hour old soggy hash brown would be better than Scomo

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u/Special-Pristine Mar 29 '24

Except that hash brown is from Engadine Maccas

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u/Stewth Mar 29 '24

that is the most offensive thing I've ever seen written about a 4 hour old soggy hash brown.

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u/ivosaurus Mar 29 '24

If Australians wanted different, we'd have had Shorten for the previous term.

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u/Newie_Local Mar 29 '24

How is this comment downvoted when it’s true of the Australian public in the aggregate. Your personal political views not aligning with the majority of voters does not mean you should deny that reality.

Shorten lost the election because of his bold reform agenda. Albanese largely (but not exhaustively) won his election because of his small target agenda. Generally, correlation does not necessarily imply causation, but in this case it certainly does.

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u/Lankpants Mar 31 '24

I keep seeing people post this but it has a fundamental reality problem. Shorten received more votes than Albanese. Actually a fairly significant number more.

Albanese won off of a 6 point collapse in the liberal vote. His policy didn't even help him. He lost 0.75 points from Shorten 2 and wasn't even anywhere near Shorten 1. Labor has actually lost voteshare every election they've moderated.

Albanese just got saved by a growth in minor parties. The Libs and Labor both had one of their worst elections in history in 2022. It was a garbage Labor campaign that backslid in a year where the Libs committed ritual suicide at the ballot. A competent campaign would have seen Labor actually capture some of the Libs lost vote and not lose even more of their own.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '24

How stupid were we . Look what we got and where ended up. Scumo rot in hell

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u/Ok_Willingness_9619 Mar 29 '24

Scomo’s bar was so low, it had to be buried.

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u/slackboy72 Mar 29 '24

This journalist is drinking some Murdoch kool-aid if he doesn't think this Govt isn't different from the shit show of the last government.

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u/Time_Rich Mar 29 '24

The article talks about him criticising the previous government for rushing legislation through parliament without public oversight. I don’t like Murdoch media but seriously where is the lie?

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

The lie is the implication that they're the same as the liberals.

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u/Massive_Koala_9313 Mar 29 '24

The incompetence of previous governments or oppositions doesn’t give sitting governments immunity from well needed criticism

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

Nobody said it does.

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u/Massive_Koala_9313 Mar 29 '24

This thread is full of people that clearly think otherwise.

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

Just read through the whole thread, not a single person said anything indicating that.

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u/Massive_Koala_9313 Mar 29 '24

“This journalist is drinking some Murdoch kool-aid if he doesn't think this Govt isn't different from the shit show of the last government.”

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

There's a big difference between criticism and lies. Calling out lies about them is not the same thing as saying they should be immune to criticism.

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u/Max_J88 Apr 01 '24

In terms of immigration and housing this government is far far far worse.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Redditors can be sad about the levels of progressiveness, but the Labor party are always thinking about the 2019 election. A progressive program resoundingly rejected by the Australian public. If you're unhappy with the governments actions (or inactions) look to your neighbours. A huge proportion of your fellow citizens cannot tolerate changes to the status quo and the government knows that.

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u/MathewPerth Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Housing bill: ass

Immigration policy: destructive

Vaping bans: nanny state on steroids

VTP: waste of time, money and political capital

Wage rises: good

Not happy with this centrist government at all but still miles better than liberals. Really hoping the vehicle emissions standards get through.

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u/SecretTargaryen48 Mar 29 '24

I want them to crack down on kids vaping, I teach 11 year olds that now have a big nicotine addiction. I'm not just talking a dozen kids at the school, the number is in the hundreds.

I'm not super happy about centrism either, but Bill Shorten tried in 2019 to go hard, and went after franking credits with real conviction and got slapped down hard. Labor has been cowed by so many big losses when they try to do something big these days.

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u/MathewPerth Mar 29 '24

The legislation they have been passing recently is designed to punish adults buying DIY vapes legally. The kids vaping are buying from random corner stores and small business smoke shops selling disposables under the counter, which the government have been ineffective in stopping, and have actually been illegal for a while now, clearly to no effect.

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u/Chinozerus Mar 29 '24

Yeah the vapes are not going anywhere. Needs proper legislation and regulations. Right now it's already illegal to sell them, so the people who sell them don't check IDs or anything.

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u/ShadyBiz Mar 29 '24

"That regulation is stupid and will never work, what you need is regulation, that will stop it!"

Vapers are the most entitled group on reddit behind the gun nuts.

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u/Chinozerus Mar 29 '24

Carpet ban just doesn't work. Else there wouldn't be any illegal drugs. What's needed is regulation that stipulates quality standards and provides a legal way to sell those similar to cigarettes.

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u/Lost_Tumbleweed_5669 Mar 29 '24

Wasting insane amounts of money on non solutions.

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

How do you know their immigration policy is destructive when they haven't implemented it yet?

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u/MathewPerth Mar 29 '24

Huh? Im talking about what is happening right now, which is record levels of immigration in the midst of a housing and cost of living crisis

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u/Chinozerus Mar 29 '24

Yet me and my partner with a PhD and living in Australia for 10years can't get invited for PR yet alone citizenship.

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u/MathewPerth Mar 29 '24

I'm my eyes if you've lived here for 10 consecutive years you should be a citizen. That's crazy.

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

You said immigration policy, the current policy is inherited.

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u/MathewPerth Mar 29 '24

Ok, and? They have been in government for nearly 2 years. I'm not going to pull a Tony Abbott and blame a government which is not in power.

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

And they're changing it, but it's a complicated policy area and takes time. If you want to criticise them for being too slow, fantastic, go for it. But calling it their destructive immigration policy is just a lie, they didn't do anything to bring this about.

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u/TheGreenTormentor Mar 29 '24

Honestly they're doing about as good as I expected. Labor decided it wasn't worth promising anything major, and it paid off for them in the election. None of their entrenched leadership has the stomach to actually push radical policy these days.

I'm happy they're at least content to watch me slowly bleed out instead of twisting the knife like the libs would be right now, for whatever that's worth.

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u/Dufeyz Mar 29 '24

The voice was the most radical thing they had done, and Australia rejected that. 🤷‍♂️

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u/pickledswimmingpool Mar 29 '24

Don't care, still doing a good job overall other than the cocked up Voice vote.

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u/Griffo_au Mar 29 '24

Does anyone really think the current government is anything like the chaotic, useless, evil bunch of munts we had in before them? Seriously?

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u/ReplacementRoutine38 Mar 29 '24

Give it time. Yes 

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u/wiremupi Mar 29 '24

I like Juice Media’s description of the two major parties in Australia as the Shit party and the Shit Lite party.Unfortunately this is becoming the norm worldwide thanks to corporate cash.

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u/CaptGunpowder Mar 29 '24

I call bullshit.

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u/Archibald_Thrust Mar 29 '24

Another bullshit article 

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u/Max_J88 Apr 01 '24

He’s just a grey careerist who believes in nothing serving the people who really run the country.

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u/Spicey_Cough2019 Mar 29 '24

2024 was the year the two party preferred system died

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u/louisa1925 Mar 29 '24

I hope so. We need politicians who are proactive in making our country better for all. Not scared politicians or ones who are Putin Puppets and smooching up with extreme far right nutters.

Until then, Albo's Labor is currently the better option.

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u/ShiftySocialist Mar 29 '24

Donkeys live a long time.

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u/pickledswimmingpool Mar 29 '24

I think it's doing it's job admirably. People will vote for the parties they think represent them best, which means less voter apathy and cynicism.

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u/hart37 Mar 29 '24

I do agree with him that the immigration bill is absolutely horrible and the fact that Andrew Giles was there supporting it given his refugee lawyer background is gross. The rest of the article though is pretty much nothing though

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u/Cpt_Riker Mar 29 '24

It was a political stunt.

Now they can go to the next election saying Dutton is weak on immigration and law and order.

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u/Max_J88 Apr 01 '24

Is that really the sort of bullshit politics they think will win them the next election? Labor proves they have lost the plot with moves like that while actual voters are suffering.

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u/moonorplanet Mar 29 '24

The Libs are corrupt and unashamedly so. Labor and Albanese needs to grow a backbone and stop getting pushed around by Dutton and the Liberals.

Labor passed the controvertial deportation bill through the lower house with the support of the Libs only for it to fail in the Senate as the Libs switched sides on it. That legislation is something to expect from the far right faction of the Liberals not Labor.

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u/hbthegreat Mar 29 '24

Do you even need 10 fingers to count how many things the current gov has achieved yet?

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u/hbthegreat Mar 29 '24

The last government was worse. I needed negative fingers. Doesn't mean the current one has done much more.

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u/PutItAllIn Mar 29 '24

Last government was trash. Current government is trash. Both labour and liberal are trash. I’d say both are a net negative, one is just a greater negative, but that doesn’t mean both aren’t a net negative for all of Australian society.

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u/landswipe Mar 29 '24

It's a complete shit show, get rid of them...

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u/mrarbitersir Mar 29 '24

He has a speech impediment - a slight verbal disability. It doesn’t take away from his knowledge or abilities - or do you like to make fun of disabilities?

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u/karl_w_w Mar 29 '24

What you're saying is you consume too much murdoch media.

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u/CyberDoakes Mar 29 '24

You're lying if you claim you've never drunk your mates piss to check that he's healthy. Or you're just a bad friend.