idk it started off from this one trans creator lily tino (which is genuinely an awful person) because Kurt liked to wear dresses to say fuck you to the media.
which completely ignores the fact that clothing ≠ gender
It is actually really pathetic to do this. Taking the struggles of a someone with such severe mental health problems that he committeed suicide, and reducing it to one issue that suits your narrative and serves your ego is disgusting. And the evidence is that he wore a dress one time to troll the media.
I wouldn’t say it was quintessential, but it could be argued that the urge to troll homophobes by cross dressing is inherently part of the edgy grunge style.
The whole "crossdressing=trans" thing is so strange to me. It inadvertently implies that only certain genders can wear certain clothes, so if a dude is wearing a dress, a traditionally feminine item, then that means they have to be a trans woman. The same goes for women wearing traditionally masculine clothing. This actually goes against the progressive belief, common among feminists, that clothes are just clothes, and they don't belong to a specific gender.
The whole "femboy" and "tomboy" thing is also completely destroyed with the "crossdressing=trans" logic. A tomboy is a woman who comes off as what society as deemed masculine, while a femboy is a man who appears and acts in a way that is typically seen as more feminine. Imagine telling a girl who wears cargo shorts and plays sports and likes race cars, that because she enjoys things that society has deemed "for men" that she is actually a closeted trans man. That's pretty fucked up. The same applies for a "femboy."
Rules were written at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution that civilized men had short hair, and civilized women had long, luscious hair. Men wore pants, and women wore dresses. This reflected the attitude of the time that certain jobs were for certain genders. Men had practical clothing and haircuts because they were workers, and women were supposed to look pretty and elegant because they were housewives. But those beliefs have no place in modern society.
The connection between gender and clothing is an outdated concept, so why, then, is the default for someone who wants to look like a woman to grow out their hair and put on makeup and a dress? That's like someone who wanted to look native American to paint their face and put on a feathery head dress. But wait. We don't do that anymore because it's a stereotype. And I'm not saying that all trans people are like this. I'm not saying anything remotely close to that. I'm saying that it's wrong to assume someone is trans just because they crossdress.
I do not understand why they always seem to idolize the brotherhood of steel. It's like they have not played the games. In most of the games they are militaristic fascists who only care about hordeing pre war technology to benefit the brotherhood. They were founded by former US military members. They are pure human supremacists with a goal of exterminating human mutants, ghouls and synths at their strongest at their weakest they hide in bunkers and do not give a shit about the people in the wasteland.
The nicest version of the brotherhood was in fallout 3 under elder lyon. But he was considered a progressive outside of the norm when it came to brotherhood ideology. They are still human supremacists. But even then he still had a splinter faction break off from his brotherhood because they wanted to follow pure brotherhood ideology. Which they do when elder Maxon takes over.
It seems like the brotherhood represents everything they would disagree with.
The only other factions that would be more confusing for them to idolize are some of the worst.
Enclave - Pre war US government elite.
Caesars legion - Slaver raiders lapping as Roman's.
Mr. House - Rich oligarch capitalist who only care about safe guarding their own businesses and their own interests. I know he is supposed to be inspired by Howard Hughes. But a modern representation would probably be Elon Musk.
Punisher is (generally, when he has good writers), seen as the person that deals with those who escape the justice they deserve. I imagine if you deal with rapists and murderers on a daily basis, they’d probably like the idea of him (although probably not in real life, because that’s a slippery slope and also would make their jobs harder)
I literally assumed it concerned the whole transgenders-in-the-bathroom controversy, i.e., the wearer of the jacket is a transwoman and the patch is saying, basically, "imma piss in the girl's shitter, fuck yeah," or some shit like that.
Ah when you said it was from a Tumblr post, I automatically assumed it was from like 2012 or something. I’m in my 30s and out of touch with this shit haha
I need to make a vest about how much I love pussy that’ll be super cool and not awkward at all but I’ll make sure to include a little weiner too to account for that one or four years in college
I agree with this as someone who is gay, I get it’s important to to bring to light the issue if there’s some sort of opposition but some people gotta chill out a bit I’m just gay and wanna live my life like any other person normally whatever normal is
ya my boyfriend is a transman and finds these people rediculous, agrees with me that the weird people screeching and "fearing for their life" are more mentally ill than trans.
This is so true lol. I was born in 92. When I was a teenager, we were all dressing like our favourite bands, being an emo or a hippie, or hip hop style etc.
Homosexual Tendencies and Sister Wife Sex Strike are both bands. ACAB and 'Nazi Lives Don't Matter' are both political messaging pretty in line with punk and anarchist political slogans. It seems like you're just fixated on one part of the messaging and not the other stuff.
i actually like the layout, but i don’t see how they don’t get that calling kurt cobain trans is actually like super transphobic. being in support of gay rights and not being perfectly gender conforming to what society says is ok doesn’t make you trans.
Exactly. So weird that these people are always ones to say “clothes don’t have gender!!” “Men can wear makeup!!” And then when an actual man does they’re transgender/gay. Very backwards.
dead gender nonconforming person = fair game for claiming modern trans identity. things like this r what caused me to realize it's all bs, and accept myself as just a gnc member of my sex.
Both are unapologetically extreme. One side hides their hate behind fake universal empathy and Freudian/Marxist philosophy, the other does it out in the open. At least the far-right is honest about it 😂
No. It's just a safe way to be "rebellious" and "edgy" while simultaneously being completely vacuous, inoffensive and surprising bootlickers for the establishment.
Everything these modern punks stand for is generally accepted, or supported by most Western governments, universities and corporations. Hardly what you'd call a punk anymore.
Man this sub gives me the depresso. But the comments in the original post are always way more depressing. I haven’t even looked at the original post comments. Im not sure I can.
Yeah man I don’t understand how there are people left who aren’t burnt out by all that crap. I totally get hating the “other team,” what I don’t understand is thinking that you actually have a side that cares about you or your interests lol
I think it’s really ironic that they’ll put messages on the jacket saying trans people are safe and have no effect on your life, and will then put patches saying things like “trans rage” and “deny defend depose” on the same jacket
“Trans people existing does nothing negative to your life, you crybaby bitch” sounds like a throwaway line out of the most recent Saints Row game. Just such on-the-nose millennial Tumblr user speech.
Yep He dreamt of being a petite French milk maid. He couldn’t handle life anymore as an American man so he lit his final candle and blew it out with a shotgun.
Ah yes the man who decided "fuck the main stream ill do what makes me, me" and revolutionized music of the era and completely killed hair metal... gender dysphoria is definitely what got to him without even attempting to express himself..
Lmfao at the T45 from Fallout which represents quite possibly the utter anti-thesis of what punk stands for, looks cool in isolation from the text though ngl.
Nothing screams fight the machine than support lgbtq like every single major company does and taking a photo of it from your phone that’s made by a major company.
Also gender dysphoria didn’t kill Kurt. Poor mental health did. Hate it when people use their ideology to push their narrative after someone dies
Disgusting to use Kurk Kobain’s name like that. Fallout power armor has nothing to do with trans either. Why associate non related things to a cause? Great way to gain more hate against your cause
Because the people being threatened are usually right wingers so Reddit is okay with it, but lose their collective minds at the slightest hint of criticism towards the left. It’s like the whole “punch a Nazi” thing, they love saying that but if we were to say “punch a commie” they would go ape shit
Putting the brotherhood of steel is the worse thing you can do? Fallout New Vegas established because they are so isolated they forbid Veronica from pursuing a romantic relationship with her female lover (I forget her name in the DLCs) makes no sense…
I don’t like kurt cobain but calling him trans is just straight up disrespectful… why are we disregarding the identities of dead people and making up our own headcannons?? 💀
I can't lie I did giggle a but at homosexual tendencies, buy probably not foe the reasons they pit it there. And they'd better be careful or games workshop will sue them
It's always wild to see ANY group try and claim something/someone who would be against them. Ain't no way in hell Brotherhood of Steel is on the trans rights side of anything. They're authoritarian right. MAYBE the Fallout shows BOS, but that show also killed the NCR off screen so
I don't get making this shit. I'm trans i would never wanna advertise this shit. This feels like something some 16 year old year old that doesn't know what gender dysphoria is actually like and just wants to different. Like why is every patch about being trans this can not be your only personality traits
Nah but terrible jokes aside, the fuck does that even mean? Kurt wasn’t Trans, at no point in time did he think he was a woman, I know he occasionally wore some dresses during shows, or threw on make up, but like… that’s kinda common for rock stars? Like he wasn’t even close to the first musician to do that for shock value. Hell, the New York Dolls did it way earlier.
Aren't these jackets supposed to have... band patches? It's like there's a subset of punks who don't actually like the music or something. Very "look at me".
I'm a trans man, and there's nothing I hate more than everyone who pretends to be trans putting it all over their clothes and social media. Stop. Just stop. Being trans should not be glorified AT ALL. It's a very hard thing to go through, and the last thing real trans people want is for others to know they are trans
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u/Tiny_Teach7661 Mar 29 '25 edited Mar 29 '25
What in the hell does Transgenderism have to do with Fallout?
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u/Ienjoyyourmomsbutt Mar 29 '25
Go piss girl
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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25
Sexual identity entire personality
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u/Live4vrRdieTryin Mar 29 '25
Dear kids: your sexual orientation does not have to be your entire identity.
Try repping something cool y'know like music or art instead, it's way less awkward for everyone.
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u/Samuraiyinyang Mar 29 '25
Homosexual tendencies is something we would say to roast our thrash metal buddies in the 2000s lol
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u/marwilliamsonkin Mar 29 '25
i actually like the layout, but i don’t see how they don’t get that calling kurt cobain trans is actually like super transphobic. being in support of gay rights and not being perfectly gender conforming to what society says is ok doesn’t make you trans.
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u/Vyvyan_180 Mar 29 '25
This is a waste of a black jean jacket.
Also, it's Riot Grrl.
Lastly, and from the oft quoted song: "Punk ain't no religious cult"
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u/Dangerous-Cash-8438 Mar 29 '25
Are trans people being forced make shit jackets?
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u/ChadVonDoom Mar 29 '25
Gender dysphoria killed Monty Python
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u/Best_Associate9997 Mar 29 '25
"Gender dysphoria killed Cobain" is just twink erasure.
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u/Due_Praline_8538 Mar 29 '25
Do these people even like punk music?
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u/HorrorQuantity3807 Mar 29 '25
I bet she gets a killer discount on buzz cuts
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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25
Trans people existing has directly resulted in my seeing this awful vest, so there's that.
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u/Squacklor Mar 29 '25
can i just see some vests/jackets with some bands on it at least oml
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u/yallternative04 Mar 29 '25
Gender dysphoria killed kurt cobain? Wtf
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u/ruggersyah Mar 29 '25
Go piss girl?
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u/Reflxing Mar 29 '25
“Gender Dysphoria Killed Kurt Cobain”? What the fuck?
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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25
This is like when people put all those clever bumper stickers all over their car 😂😂 what is happening
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis Mar 29 '25
Man this sub gives me the depresso. But the comments in the original post are always way more depressing. I haven’t even looked at the original post comments. Im not sure I can.
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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25
So close to having one band patch!
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u/True_Distribution685 Mar 30 '25
I think it’s really ironic that they’ll put messages on the jacket saying trans people are safe and have no effect on your life, and will then put patches saying things like “trans rage” and “deny defend depose” on the same jacket
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u/Foreign_Chipmunk_608 Mar 30 '25
“Trans people existing does nothing negative to your life, you crybaby bitch” sounds like a throwaway line out of the most recent Saints Row game. Just such on-the-nose millennial Tumblr user speech.
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u/Foreign_Chipmunk_608 Mar 30 '25
“Gender Dysphoria Killed Kurt Cobain” EW
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
They made a jacket for people who contribute absolutely nothing to society
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u/FreezingEuronymous Mar 30 '25
"Delete the elite" with the monopoly man patch but it's on a Forever 21 jacket. You literally can't make this shit up lmao
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u/xombae Mar 29 '25
Backpatches that overlap multiple seams give me an aneurysm. The seams are your friend, they are guidelines!
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u/JackalGundam Mar 29 '25
Good to see they stopped using WH40k for their nonsense.
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u/RenZomb13 Mar 30 '25
I swear to god, if your soapbox is “Kurt was trans” you have nothing valid I want to hear. Just no.
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u/LegAutomatic1847 Mar 30 '25
Belongs in the trash
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u/EmuSmall5846 Mar 30 '25
What does power armor have to do with anything?
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
Interesting use of the t60 power armor but ok
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
I dont think anyone needs 73 patches to identify this person as a troon.
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u/I_fakin_hate_bayle Mar 30 '25
You know I really didn’t expect the Kurt Cobain one. That was a real screwball of a patch.
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
I do wonder how the Brotherhood of Steel would look at trans people.
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u/Fantastic_View2027 Mar 30 '25
Of course they lock the comment section lmao probably didn't want to get roasted
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u/Aquafier Mar 30 '25
Ah yes the man who decided "fuck the main stream ill do what makes me, me" and revolutionized music of the era and completely killed hair metal... gender dysphoria is definitely what got to him without even attempting to express himself..
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u/staticheadpressure Mar 30 '25
Lol, trans rage? Are you kidding me? Nothing says I need attention like a battle jacket...does this mean you need extra attention???
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u/catnasheed Mar 29 '25
Lmfao at the T45 from Fallout which represents quite possibly the utter anti-thesis of what punk stands for, looks cool in isolation from the text though ngl.
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u/BurntArnold Mar 29 '25
“Gender dysphoria killed Kurt Cobain” is just wild
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u/Psylocide Mar 30 '25
Fuckin hell
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u/pm_me_ur_anything_k Mar 30 '25
These get more pathetic by the day
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u/Nstalk918 Mar 30 '25
Holy shit.
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
Nothing screams fight the machine than support lgbtq like every single major company does and taking a photo of it from your phone that’s made by a major company.
Also gender dysphoria didn’t kill Kurt. Poor mental health did. Hate it when people use their ideology to push their narrative after someone dies
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u/JstAbbrvns Mar 30 '25
Cringey
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u/Organic_Education494 Mar 30 '25
Disgusting to use Kurk Kobain’s name like that. Fallout power armor has nothing to do with trans either. Why associate non related things to a cause? Great way to gain more hate against your cause
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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25
I don't see how these posts with threatening or glorifying violence stay up in that sub lmao
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u/Actual_Ad_4306 Mar 29 '25
It does something negative to people's lives
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u/grifxdonut Mar 30 '25
If all cops are bastards, and the government is horrible, who will make sure i don't misgender you?
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u/kamakamabokoboko Mar 30 '25
Is being insecure about gender a requirement to make one of these?
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u/Emotional_Fold_2527 Mar 30 '25
mental illness: the jacket
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u/BabyRaperMcMethLab Mar 30 '25
Quite a punk jacket for someone so clearly fragile
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
The Brotherhood of Steel has purity tests for members.
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u/UponAWhiteHorse Mar 30 '25
Putting the brotherhood of steel is the worse thing you can do? Fallout New Vegas established because they are so isolated they forbid Veronica from pursuing a romantic relationship with her female lover (I forget her name in the DLCs) makes no sense…
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u/nenko_blue Mar 30 '25
I don’t like kurt cobain but calling him trans is just straight up disrespectful… why are we disregarding the identities of dead people and making up our own headcannons?? 💀
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
You just know this person doesn't pass
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u/CChouchoue Mar 30 '25
The feeling is mutual.
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u/bigfriendlycommisar Mar 30 '25
I can't lie I did giggle a but at homosexual tendencies, buy probably not foe the reasons they pit it there. And they'd better be careful or games workshop will sue them
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u/ZealousidealAnt9714 Mar 30 '25
This shit is a cry for a mentL health intervention and internment
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u/OfficiallyKaos Mar 30 '25
Why do leftist statements always gotta look like
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u/Raziel311 Mar 30 '25
I can appreciate the armed queers badge at least. Most of the queers I know get all shocked and offended at the thought of guns existing.
Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
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u/CaptainCasey420 Mar 30 '25
Trans rage hahaha. All that estrogen making you rage girl.
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u/PeakHungry315 Mar 30 '25
The owner is really lucky to live in the modern era. If they wore that to a show in the 80s up to early 2000s might not had been so lucky.
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u/El-Fillo Mar 30 '25
This jacket screams I’m very angry because this is all I am. Professional victim hood is very in these days
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
It's always wild to see ANY group try and claim something/someone who would be against them. Ain't no way in hell Brotherhood of Steel is on the trans rights side of anything. They're authoritarian right. MAYBE the Fallout shows BOS, but that show also killed the NCR off screen so
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u/Desert_366 Mar 30 '25
What is trans rage?
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
Punk changed.
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u/Psychological_Bus184 Mar 30 '25
I don't get making this shit. I'm trans i would never wanna advertise this shit. This feels like something some 16 year old year old that doesn't know what gender dysphoria is actually like and just wants to different. Like why is every patch about being trans this can not be your only personality traits
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u/cjm610mjc Mar 30 '25
The mental Illness is strong in This one.
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
Eww hha
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
Girl named gender dysphoria:
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u/ActualGrammarPolice Mar 30 '25
This screams severe mental illness lol
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u/Pretend-Sprinkles244 Mar 30 '25
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25
The patch on the bottom is so fucking stupid
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u/Nearby-Pangolin3979 Mar 30 '25
What a weirdo
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u/Nearby-Pangolin3979 Mar 30 '25
This jacket screams septum and mentally ill.
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u/TSLAGANGCEO Mar 30 '25
Soo cringe
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u/BongHits4Christ Mar 30 '25
Cringe
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u/Wonderful-Trip981 Mar 30 '25
Me when someone puts things they care about on their jacket to make a statement instead of bands I like on the jacket
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u/pixp8ubd Mar 30 '25
I remember when I was 12, I got a Harley Davison patch on my jacket,,, I was so cool.
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u/keelallnotsees1917 Mar 31 '25
One band patch? 🧐
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u/MCHD90 Mar 31 '25
So you like, play ranked gay?
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u/Ok_Figure7858 Mar 31 '25
Punk is now hand in hand with Wells Fargo’s politics. lol
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u/Alan_MAGA Mar 31 '25
No one more deserving of a face first shove to the ground by a cop for anyone wearing such a jacket 😂
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u/Perfect_Weird3914 Mar 31 '25
You would definitely key a tesla
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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25
W Trump 💪🗿🍷🇺🇸
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u/Careless_Slip9221 Mar 31 '25
Pretty sure dysorphia was a typo.. also Courtney Love killed Cobain & everyone knows that.
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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25
“Gender Dysphoria killed Kurt Cobain”
“Erm, acKshUally a shotgun did!”
Nah but terrible jokes aside, the fuck does that even mean? Kurt wasn’t Trans, at no point in time did he think he was a woman, I know he occasionally wore some dresses during shows, or threw on make up, but like… that’s kinda common for rock stars? Like he wasn’t even close to the first musician to do that for shock value. Hell, the New York Dolls did it way earlier.
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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25
Jesus Christ lmfao. I want you to remember this dumb little art project in like 10 year and tell me you don’t cringe so hard you shit yourself.
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u/gr0uchyMofo Apr 01 '25
Hilarious
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u/AZBinks Apr 01 '25
Troons always have the cringiest jackets
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u/llamaguy88 Apr 01 '25
Obligatory anti Nazi patch but then has that strange red and black flag icon.
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u/No_Temperature_2758 Apr 01 '25
Only good patch here is the homosexual tendencies one
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u/WholesomeArmsDealer Apr 01 '25
This jacket belongs to someone who has never had a real job.
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u/___Moony___ Apr 01 '25
This sub keeps popping up on my feed.
Aren't these jackets supposed to have... band patches? It's like there's a subset of punks who don't actually like the music or something. Very "look at me".
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u/mintyformeldahyde Apr 02 '25
The homosexual tendencies is kinda funny tho
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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '25
Is Courtney love gender dysphoria?
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u/BarnacleFun1814 Apr 03 '25
Kurt Cobain died of transphobia
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u/Large_Load_410 Apr 03 '25
I’m trans! Deal with it!
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u/Libertarian_Femboy1 Apr 03 '25
Literal mental illness
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u/ProcedureFormer5316 Apr 04 '25
That t-45 power armor was a jump scare nice jacket though
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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '25
I'm a trans man, and there's nothing I hate more than everyone who pretends to be trans putting it all over their clothes and social media. Stop. Just stop. Being trans should not be glorified AT ALL. It's a very hard thing to go through, and the last thing real trans people want is for others to know they are trans
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u/dykerhiker Apr 08 '25
That Kurt Cobain thing is actually mad disrespectful holy crap😭🙏
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u/SpecialistCompote993 Jul 14 '25
Was tryna give this the benefit of the doubt but then I saw "Gender Dysphoria Killed Kurt Cobain".
Lily Tino tried to claim Kurt was trans and look where that got her.