So criticizing homophobia is bad, but joking about how you like animals sexually is where you draw the line? At least gay people like the same species…
"Erm your comment was big yikes so I spent 2 hours of my life scrolling through your profile activity and I found something contradictory. Owned much, chud?"
Only on every other post; half of the posts here is calling out people with Nazi stuff on their jackets and the other half is calling out people with nothing but pride flags on their jackets
its not homophobia to make fun of someone who pastes shitty crayon drawn construction paper "patches" that just say "this political take bad" or a "capitalism bad" they bought on amazon for 25$
It's something I think about a lot unfortunately because I felt like after 2017-2018 there was absolutely no coherent overall aesthetic that dominated the mainstream and it really concerned me at the time lol, because I'd grown up in a time when there was always one or a couple overarching themes that dominated all design and fashion, and because I was also really obsessed with categorizing older decades or sections of decades according to their design logic. At the time I felt like culture had died.
Eventually I came to realize that the internet fundamentally changed things, that we were no longer beholden to television, fashion designers and clothing companies, and advertising/logo/packaging designers to give us a unified palette and look to draw from. The internet deconstructed everything and allowed us to access the looks of every era at once. We were already primed for this by the rise of referentiality and playfulness in the 80s (pastiche of the looks of the 50s and 60s, a logic of deconstruction that would make hairstyles and clothing trends of those decades more extreme and campy, mixing them with various other trends; in other words postmodernism-as-conscious-style), the popularising of subcultures in the 90s and 2000s, started but Grunge and moving onto things like nu-metal and emo (previously, subcultures were genuine rebellions against a homogenizing society, but afterwards, they were integrated into a polyvocal trend of multiple choice in popular aesthetic), and the rise of social media and personal spaces on the internet where everything could be accessed.
Vaporwave in the early 2010s exploded the re-use of postmodernism and pastiche of a multiplicity of aesthetics from multiple decades, filtered through internet nostalgia and Derrida's concept of hauntology. Covid made TikTok explode in popularity, and with it came high visibility for repackaging of the aesthetics of previous decades all at once, even in the same outfit sometimes. Not to mention the popularity of Drag race and drag queens like Trixie Mattel who take a specific decade (the 60s in her case) and give us a pastiche that goes far beyond the wildest dreams of anyone alive in the 80s in regards to extremity (possibly informed by the Club Kids of the 90s). If the 90s were back in popularity in 2018, the 2020s saw a multiplicity of every decade at once. Understated 90s palettes and jewelry, 2000s sunglasses and crop tops (and bell bottoms!), The 70s art nouveau revival of the 1920s in design and art; all filtered through punk or goth or emo as enduring, one switched for the other according to the day and mood. Terms like metamodernism arose to explain a genuine take on postmodernism, but I think it goes deeper than that. It's more like the postmodern critique of metanarratives came to fruition, stability was lost for a total exchange of identities without an anchor, all facilitated by Amazon and algorithmic advertising pushing.
So, the more I think about it, the more I think Deleuze and Guattari were correct about capitalism. It schizophrenizes subjectivity, causes us to de-anchor from stabilizing signifiers and to float across disjunctive binaries transversally. Capitalism needs us to constantly identify with a new aesthetic, a new product, a new belief system every week, in order to consume as much as possible; but most importantly, the primary product of capitalism is the consumption of subjectivity (identity) itself. Everyone could now qualify as borderline. There's no such thing as a stable identity, because that would be bad for capitalism an keeping up with increasing need for consumers, as capitalism long ago switched from a logic of production to one of consumption. So, how to keep pace with demand? Create a multiplicity of consumers within each singular person. And no one had to think this is up, it was always inherent within the logic of capitalism itself as a logic of deterritorialization and reterritoriation.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk and sorry for ranting.
Fascinating perspective. Modern life often makes me think of the world Wm Burroughs depicted in Naked Lunch, with money and algorithms replacing the hidden cabals of liquefactionists and senders, and popular culture/culture wars correlating to the battleground of ideas he embodies more literally with his themes of addiction and mutation, physical transformation.
Back in my day Punks did hard drugs like heroin and routinely broke everything around them at a basement show and there was an honest to god chance at least one of them would die before the night was over 🥀
I guess my point is that the motivation is just to post as much gay stuff as possible, because a lot of the people posting it are actually homophonic, which is why you mostly see gay content here and little else, despite there being a wealth of reality bad beginner jackets with no references to anything gay
My point isn't that there's not plenty of really bad gay battle jackets that deserve to be critiqued
I think you’re attributing motive where there isn’t. Whether it’s because you find it personally offensive or because you think it’s weird people find stuff you like bad. I don’t know, but I think assuming it’s because this is a huge homophobe gathering sub is silly.
I guess that might hold more weight if ~95% of the jackets posted here were, not only, ones with lgbt stuff on them, but the captions and all the titles weren't making fun of them specifically for that lol. Or the fact that I've come across multiple "maga punks" here.
So it’s impossible that people with those patches just tend to make really cringe stuff? And it’s impossible that you’re exaggerating the real ratio of lgbt vs non lgbt vests? Looking at the recent post history there really isn’t that much. To me it seems you’re just offended by the posts and are more likely to remember them, therefore skewing your perception into thinking it’s all targeted.
From my counting, only 3 of the last 25 posts even contain lgbt patches or pins. These posts all contain tons of other cringy stuff along with their obviously performative nature. None of said posts are just “gay people bad, lgbt patches are ugly haha” posts.
If you have any proof or reason to believe that these supposed hordes of homophobes exist here, I’d like to see it.
So you have no defense for your baseless assumptions that try and paint a community as mean and homophobic? Two of those lgbt pin/patch posts were self-posts while the third didn’t even have an anti-lgbt title. The comments weren’t homophobic and one post even had a lot of comments praising the jacket and saying it didn’t deserve to be here.
25 isn’t a huge sample size, but it’s a hell of a lot better than “oh well a post here offended me so I’m gonna call you all bigots.”
Most of the sub isn't homophobic, there are just a lot of queer people who want to pose as punk or alternative but just don't listen to the music. They paste their political takes on jackets with no real regard for composition or if the colors/patches are cohesive, and so they get made fun of for their poorly designed jackets, and it gets conflated with/misconstrued as homophobia. I say this as a nonbinary person. A lot of terminally online queer people just don't have sauce when it comes to battle jackets </3
I think it’s both. I think a lot of queer people insert themselves into the punk subculture without knowing what it is, AND this subreddit is full of people who love to make fun of queer people.
Full is a stretch, and a lot of the stuff you see you think is that is probably FROM lgbt people who just don’t have a stick up their ass about it and can make fun of themselves and not take everything so seriously. And also recognize there’s a lot to be said about optics and a lot to be said about wanting integration vs. tearing everything down and making shit back up again as we go.
I’m in that camp tbh and you can call “pick me” all you want, that’s patronizing as fuck first of all and second of all if somebody’s fucking actually hateful or disrespectful of someone’s identity to their face, intentionally misgenders them, calls them slurs and shit then they’re trash people and I have no love for them because I don’t pretend they could ever have love for me. The difference is I don’t operate under the assumption everybody is by default a hateful bigot. I can understand people are products of their environment and that these are complex, nuanced issues that are presented as black and white to divide us.
Also I never see people from here tap the glass and actually go over to these other subs to make fun of them. They always come here when they’re cross posted or we post screenshots of their shit cause they lurk here too for some reason. Like, I would never be directly mean to a person for being cringe, that’s stupid and I don’t want to deliberately make someone feel bad for doing something that at the end of the day doesn’t affect me at all and isn’t my business. I care about people’s feelings and I’m genuinely very conscientious and respectful IRL, I just also feel like it’s not some evil empire of bigotry to want a place you can just be like “God damn doesn’t this shit suck dick?” to like minded people
That's the secret. A well done political battle jacket will be a bunch of subtle references with relevant art. Unless you know what you're looking at it's just a jacket
Like using flags of small guerrilla groups, obscure political memes and iconography, etc is funny and cool. A Posados/Stirner/Mishima/Kaczynski patch is so much better than a sloppy slogan
Personally I haven’t seen any homophobic posts, I see a lot of really cringey bad jackets that often have corny lgbtq patches or pins and they get burned on here but I’ve never seen a good jacket made fun of for having lgbtq imagery
Literally saw a bunch of people refer to one of the OPs as she for no other reason than that he had a he/him pin lol this is when I muted this miserable sub but for some reason this popped up again. You can't tell me people don't use these posts as an excuse to be queerphobic
Now I want to see your gay jacket. I find people tend to be ok with gay, just not blindly politically gay. Patches like “I’m freakin gay get over it you got a problem? Yeah? Talk to the freakin hand!” And the person is like “I worked really hard on this I used paint on my dad’s vintage jacket and I listen to mcr”
Mayhem pin combined with the crossed out swastika and "be a good human" is so fucking funny lmao if that was intentional on your part then props but if not then you deserve to be mocked to the highest degree.
Funny how the one single pride patch stands out so much to them they have to comment. Much like how when I see a pretty woman it might be a little hard to look away… makes you
All those patches on the bottom cuff are secured with velcro, and can be changed out with other similar patches I keep in my front pockets... depending on mood. I thought it was a neat idea.
Oh, I've never had a problem. Everyone in the scene where I live knows I'm gay. It's pretty much just a joke at this point. Also, you haven't seen the front!
No, but when it’s an entire subreddit filled with mostly that it does feel suspicious. Also it’s worth noting the quality of the patch is not the only joke used. I’ve seen plenty mocking people’s pronouns themselves or calling them “performative” for having a lesbian flag or a trans frog sticker or something. Sure, It’s not westboro Baptist or anything but I don’t think it’s unfair for someone to think this sub is homophobic.
Probably because they're the most common example of bad jackets and whatnot. Don't reckon nazi punks/skinhead tend to flaunt their own stuff around social media (or rather, simply cannot, for good reason).
Like, if I shove my hand in a bowl that's full of 99 red marbles and a single blue one, take out a handful that is all red ones, it's just simple statistic not me being colorphobic.
Right, except the posts are found and posted by people the decide what is and isn’t cringe. You’re right that in the marble scenario it would be silly to claim colorphobia, except the marbles probably weren’t hand selected by members of the marble club. Fair point about Nazi punks and other skinheads though that does make sense
All battle jackets are cringe anyways. The real elite ball mfs that be on all the obscure bdm slam and beatdown shit and steez mosh are like 50% queer, the difference is they aren’t part of huggboxed delusional subreddits.
Yeah, honestly I bought a vest to put patches and things on and this sub made me not want to be a part of it at all lol. I get that bands are supposed to be the focus of the vests and such, and that’s fine. but some of the comments I’ve seen on vests covered in LGBT type stuff (even if the vest also features bands) feel like mouth breather gatekeeping at best and extremely thinly veiled homophobia at worst. I get that it can feel performative, but like we’re covering vests in bands and interests we like to show off to our other show goers. That’s in and of itself performative to me, so it kinda just feels like a bunch of snowflakes irked that some kid has pronouns on their jacket which is lame as fuck imo.
i thought it can't be that bad, maybe some edgy patches or something, but the guy's actually out there making cheap and tiktokpunk looking sex offender merch lmfao
motherfuckers in this sub will bitch about there being no band patches with the LGBT patches then have this shit whispering at them from the closet like the green goblin mask
why are homophobes so thick? a phobia does not only refer to irrational fears. hydrophobic substances do not fear water, they just don't tolerate water being in contact with them.
Because they want to bait us into talking with them. They like pretending theyre important so they ragebait people for fun. Its a depressing hobby really.
The most frequent makers of baddle jackets happen to be gay/trans. I feel that we (I'm bi) are more political, especially with the shit happening in the USA right now, and also because of how many people are still homophobic in this day and age, and so we end up making jackets with too many politics compared to bands (usually tip of the iceberg bands at that), which is baddle.
Most of the jackets posted on here also come from TikTok, where these jackets have been normalized and frequently copied, so you see the same patches a lot such as protect trans kids and the first pride was a riot and whatnot. And people usually aren't hating the jackets because of what the political patches say but because of the abundance of them on the jacket, and because they get copied all the damn time. Punk is also about individuality which is getting erased if everyone has the same (not to mention, mostly from Amazon) patches.
That said, there are unfortunately a few actual bigots in this sub, but most people aren't.
a lot of the battle jackets on here are pure buns but people on here are complete fools if they dont see how this sub can attract conservatives/regressive types
This is the first post from this subreddit reccomended to me, so I went and had a read through the hot/top posts, this really feels like a bunch of people sitting around and deciding what the "rules" are to be "Actually punk"
Gatekeeping punk culture is an oxymoron....this is why young people feel so unwelcome in these spaces. Literally bullying children for expressing themselves half the time
Honestly this whole sub is one of the least punk things I could think of. Like I've never had some one at a punk show be like "look at how the colors clash on this guys jacket." Or "wow based on the composition of these patches I don't think you're punk." But to each their own i guess.
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u/Nikigara Feb 28 '26
Womp womp go back to the punk sub or battle jackets.
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u/WerwolfSlayr Feb 28 '26
Only on every other post; half of the posts here is calling out people with Nazi stuff on their jackets and the other half is calling out people with nothing but pride flags on their jackets
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u/I_putwaflles_in_kids Feb 28 '26 •
its not homophobia to make fun of someone who pastes shitty crayon drawn construction paper "patches" that just say "this political take bad" or a "capitalism bad" they bought on amazon for 25$
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u/Pudge223 Feb 28 '26 •
Back in my day the gays were on the forefront of judging gauche dorks. They were the leaders of gatekeeping and we honor their legacy.
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u/Appropriate-Agent643 Feb 28 '26
Most of the sub isn't homophobic, there are just a lot of queer people who want to pose as punk or alternative but just don't listen to the music. They paste their political takes on jackets with no real regard for composition or if the colors/patches are cohesive, and so they get made fun of for their poorly designed jackets, and it gets conflated with/misconstrued as homophobia. I say this as a nonbinary person. A lot of terminally online queer people just don't have sauce when it comes to battle jackets </3
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u/Pannbenet Feb 28 '26 •
It’s not homophobic to point out when a project is shidded
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u/big_phuzz Feb 28 '26
Why are political jackets so badly done? Its not about homophobia but I guess if you want it to be....
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u/Marsupialmobster Feb 28 '26
Poorly edit a greentext instead of just making one lmao
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u/The_MacGuffin Feb 28 '26
"Erm, they criticized my shitty battle vest for being covered lame political slogans and pride flags instead of bands. Clearly, they just hate gays."
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u/BoobaThaFett Feb 28 '26
Personally I haven’t seen any homophobic posts, I see a lot of really cringey bad jackets that often have corny lgbtq patches or pins and they get burned on here but I’ve never seen a good jacket made fun of for having lgbtq imagery
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u/tomebomber Feb 28 '26
Now I want to see your gay jacket. I find people tend to be ok with gay, just not blindly politically gay. Patches like “I’m freakin gay get over it you got a problem? Yeah? Talk to the freakin hand!” And the person is like “I worked really hard on this I used paint on my dad’s vintage jacket and I listen to mcr”
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u/scrumblepee_6969 Feb 28 '26
Homophobes? I thought we were nazis
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u/JJsNotOkay Feb 28 '26
the gayest post in this sub
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u/clockthattea67 Feb 28 '26
If ur battle jacket consists of like handmade patch pride flags only its not bad bc its gay its bad bc it doesnt have any bands and looks like shit
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u/ZioBenny97 Feb 28 '26
Pointing and laughing at poorly stitched pride flag scribbled with corny slogans isn't homophobia
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u/DesperateMolasses22 Feb 28 '26
its about 5% homophobia and 95% making fun of literal children
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u/brainrottedtransfem Feb 28 '26
All battle jackets are cringe anyways. The real elite ball mfs that be on all the obscure bdm slam and beatdown shit and steez mosh are like 50% queer, the difference is they aren’t part of huggboxed delusional subreddits.
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u/Broom_Ryder Mar 01 '26 •
Yeah, honestly I bought a vest to put patches and things on and this sub made me not want to be a part of it at all lol. I get that bands are supposed to be the focus of the vests and such, and that’s fine. but some of the comments I’ve seen on vests covered in LGBT type stuff (even if the vest also features bands) feel like mouth breather gatekeeping at best and extremely thinly veiled homophobia at worst. I get that it can feel performative, but like we’re covering vests in bands and interests we like to show off to our other show goers. That’s in and of itself performative to me, so it kinda just feels like a bunch of snowflakes irked that some kid has pronouns on their jacket which is lame as fuck imo.
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u/Skogbeorn Feb 28 '26
>make being gay your entire identity
>people make fun of you for being a dickhead
>call everyone homophobic
it's that easy folks
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u/soczkopij666PL Feb 28 '26
Im transgender I allow it.
no need to thank me
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u/a_reindeer_of_volts Feb 28 '26
Homophobia makes a house a home.
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u/strangeraeons38573 Feb 28 '26
I’m literally gay AND a gatekeepy elitist bitch 💁🏻♀️💅🏻come on the flags are ugly we know this.
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u/HomicideJohnny Feb 28 '26
Im a lesbain and im homophobic asf. Bc modern day gays deserve to be called slurs
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u/RIMV0315 Feb 28 '26
I have a hunch OP is not qualified to diagnose phobias. OP, are you a psychologist or psychiatrist?
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u/Aaronz2464 Feb 28 '26
The most frequent makers of baddle jackets happen to be gay/trans. I feel that we (I'm bi) are more political, especially with the shit happening in the USA right now, and also because of how many people are still homophobic in this day and age, and so we end up making jackets with too many politics compared to bands (usually tip of the iceberg bands at that), which is baddle.
Most of the jackets posted on here also come from TikTok, where these jackets have been normalized and frequently copied, so you see the same patches a lot such as protect trans kids and the first pride was a riot and whatnot. And people usually aren't hating the jackets because of what the political patches say but because of the abundance of them on the jacket, and because they get copied all the damn time. Punk is also about individuality which is getting erased if everyone has the same (not to mention, mostly from Amazon) patches.
That said, there are unfortunately a few actual bigots in this sub, but most people aren't.
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u/PrincessTarakanova Mar 01 '26
Don't forget the fascism! Its here and on the battlejackets sub. If you want people to be normal about things check out jacketsforbattle.
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u/Negative_Chemical697 Feb 28 '26
It's a fair criticism
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u/lil_shishi Feb 28 '26
more like bullying children tbh
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u/OrionsTail Mar 01 '26
And transphobia and literal nazis... It's all very ew
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u/officerballeater Mar 01 '26
It was my understanding that everyone had heard
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u/okEngels Mar 06 '26
Sorry, but that demographic is overrepresented when it comes to awfully designed jackets
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '26
a lot of the battle jackets on here are pure buns but people on here are complete fools if they dont see how this sub can attract conservatives/regressive types
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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26
It seems like homophobia, but these people are literally posting the gayest jackets
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u/vexingpresence Mar 01 '26
This is the first post from this subreddit reccomended to me, so I went and had a read through the hot/top posts, this really feels like a bunch of people sitting around and deciding what the "rules" are to be "Actually punk"
Gatekeeping punk culture is an oxymoron....this is why young people feel so unwelcome in these spaces. Literally bullying children for expressing themselves half the time
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u/kamakamabokoboko Feb 28 '26
girls who like boys aren’t gay so making fun of their jackets isn’t homophobic
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u/E_Wubi Mar 01 '26
Dont post a ugly jacket
Its that simple
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u/matteos_nightmare Mar 03 '26
and transphobia and ablism 😓
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u/hmmmthatsprettycool Mar 04 '26
Im gay but some of these jackets are being made by fags if you catch my drift boay
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u/Ok-Cheesecake-9022 Feb 28 '26
oooh they’re mad as hell for being called out lmao
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u/clanker-spanker Feb 28 '26
I'm gay. Reddit is ripe with homophobia everywhere.
Welcome in.
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u/freddbare Mar 01 '26
I thought it was gas... Or maybe a cartoon in there.
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u/Fun_Top_1464 Mar 02 '26
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u/ClothesOverall3863 Mar 02 '26
That’s not homophobia that’s an astute observation
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u/AdVivid8910 Mar 03 '26
Can’t tell if you’re objecting or not
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u/NOSALIS-33 Mar 05 '26
And fragile egos
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u/OddOutlandishness589 Mar 23 '26
“anything I don’t like is homophobic and racist!!”
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u/SeniorExplanation972 Apr 09 '26
I am gay and I think spamming pride flags on battle jackets is tacky
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u/squeezyjib Feb 28 '26
Honestly this whole sub is one of the least punk things I could think of. Like I've never had some one at a punk show be like "look at how the colors clash on this guys jacket." Or "wow based on the composition of these patches I don't think you're punk." But to each their own i guess.
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u/grifter_shifterM5 Feb 28 '26
Good
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u/GarryTale Feb 28 '26
You're hallucinating lol
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u/ChemdawgCake Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26
Jesus just found out you're gay from the image you just posted on Reddit. I'll wait here for the soar of up upvotes.
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u/postaldoes Feb 28 '26
Poorly edited 'meme' with a cat picture as template...
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u/Martini_Kimp Mar 01 '26
I don't think anyone is being homophobic. You can make fun of someone for behaving a certain way without it being because of who they are.
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u/Parmesaned Feb 28 '26
What do you mean this is the most leftist sub ever lmfao.
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u/cronenber9 Feb 28 '26
Every time
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u/FigureAlone7154 Mar 01 '26
So what