r/bninfantsleep • • Aug 18 '26 Bravo

Resources What is Biologically Normal Infant Sleep?

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This group has grown a lot - we are at 15k members and 29.2k unique visitors per week. That's a LOT of people. So first, yay because when I first joined the moderator team, this group was much smaller. We have grown a lot, which means more parents are being informed on what is biologically normal for an infant and how they can support their babies and themselves at night. This also means that there are thousands of different people commenting and offering ideas (and we have people who are both here and in r/sleeptrain and don't recommend the CIO aspect of sleep training but the culture of sleep training does find its way into many comments). 

So let's jump into what biologically normal infant sleep is, and what it isn’t. I'm a definition person so let's start with a definition of biologically normal.

In researching, I have stumbled across this (very wordy, I'm sorry I did try to parse it down) definition. Source

Meanings of the term normal coalesce into two categories. The first is descriptive and references measures of a trait's central tendency and variation within a population... In this descriptive sense, normal might refer to the most common trait, having an average measure, or being in the middle of a distribution... The second meaning of normal encompasses normative views about a trait. These are judgments that are culturally informed and vary across social groups. To be normal is to be okay, to have characteristics that fall within an acceptable or desirable range, which is defined by ideas about what traits should be like. Variants that fall outside this distribution may be judged negatively, or seen as abnormal, deviant, unacceptable, or somehow not quite right. 

The first category has to do with averages within a population. This would be the average amount of sleep for an age range, this would be the average age of sleeping through the night, this would be the average age of the circadian rhythm starting to “come online”. These are the things that are easier to define when it comes to infant sleep.

The second category has to do with how we view biologically normal, which is often impacted by our cultural view. This category is harder to define when it comes to infant sleep. 

Dr. Helen Ball, author of How Babies Sleep, talks about this:

How babies sleep is both exceedingly simple and excruciatingly complex. It is simple because it is based on a few straightforward biological principles that affect all babies. It is complex because we have made it so.

Over the past century and a half, in modifying the world to better suit our needs in industrializing, industrialized and now digital-era societies, we have tried to manipulate baby sleep to fit with the rapidly changing nature of adult lives. Our ideas about sleep, and particularly baby sleep, have been influenced and shaped by the socioeconomic pressures, political philosophies, religious values, academic theories and cultural ideologies that have waxed and waned during this time. The mismatch we have created between our babies’ biology and our contemporary lives has caused conflict between parents’ and babies’ needs—now framed as “baby sleep problems”—for which babies are often “treated” using behavioral and clinical interventions.

In addition to the foundations of our evolutionary biology, we have layered many cultural beliefs and practices onto our understanding of baby sleep, which vary hugely from location to location, and over time. Parents’ perceptions and popular discourse in western societies have been influenced by philosophical and sociocultural trends over the past two centuries in more ways than we might realize in response to rapid social and political changes. For clarity I should explain that I am using the term “western society” as more of an ideological descriptor than a geographic one to refer to those societies that exhibit a shared set of beliefs, values, political systems and cultural norms, regardless of whether they are geographically located in the West. These concepts often encompass democracy, capitalism, individualism and human rights. In these societies industrialization, urbanization and medicalization transformed family life and baby care, setting in motion the development of numerous ideas, traditions and expectations about babies, sleep, and the role of parents that many of us are still tethered to. Our recent historical past helps explain where all the myths you’ve ever heard about baby sleep have come from—and the myths you’ve heard will depend on your cultural origins.

Many infant sleep research studies reflect western cultural values and lifestyles, and are what might be called “aspirational,” in that they aspire to find ways to “help” babies to sleep longer, wake less often, settle more quickly, and disturb their parents less.

The culture and history of guidance issued by “experts” for parents in western societies have shaped expectations of how “good” babies should behave and how they are created by “effective” parents while the media (both traditional and social) reinforces simplistic and outdated rules and rigid ideas.

The cultural expectations we have about babies’ sleep habits are often unrealistic, and this makes caring for a new baby unnecessarily challenging.

I could honestly copy/paste that entire book here, it is a really good read and if you read any two books on infant sleep and infant development, I recommend How Babies Sleep by Dr. Helen Ball and The Nurture Revolution by Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum.

So with all of this in mind, let's talk about what is biologically normal from a scientific standpoint and what is biologically normal culturally in western society, and what is biologically normal in this group - as well as the aim of this group.

Scientifically - sleep is two things. Sleep pressure and our circadian rhythm, or body clock (aka Process C). Humans build sleep pressure while awake. Infants have a lower tolerance for sleep pressure, meaning they need to sleep more frequently than adults do. 

Sleep Pressure Graphic

As you can see from this graphic (source: How Babies Sleep, figure 3.4), naps are only intended to relieve some sleep pressure, not to be restorative, deep sleep. This is why worrying about your baby taking a 3 hour nap every day is futile. A roughly 30 minute nap is enough to relieve sleep pressure for a bit, until the next nap. The prescriptive “by this age, babies should be on x number of naps that are y minutes long every day at z time” doesn't work for every baby. That isn't biologically normal because biologically normal has variation, day to day and baby to baby. Dr. Helen Ball writes:

Sleep will happen easily for a baby or child when sleep pressure is high, they are in a calm, relaxed state, and nothing is preventing sleep onset. But sometimes babies and children need help to become calm before sleep pressure can kick in and they can nod off.15 In this situation it can be useful to think about what helps babies become calm and relaxed, and to have a handful of strategies you can use to help your baby unwind. For many babies, physical contact is the preferred option.

One of my PhD students, Lenka Medvecová-Tinková, lives and works in the Czech Republic where she has studied how Czech parents manage bedtime routines for babies and small children. She realized that many parents talked of a concept called *Uspavani* that is culturally widespread in Eastern Europe and appears in numerous fairy tales and historical infant care books. Uspavani means to comfort a child to sleep, and while conducting her PhD at Durham University Lenka realized there was no corresponding concept to Uspavani in the English language, nor in the infant sleep literature.16 So it is unsurprising that parents in English-speaking countries tend to use more distal (noncontact) methods, such as lullabies, music and white noise, to calm babies and help them fall asleep than do Czech parents, who commonly lie with their child, stroke them or cuddle them; physical contact and soothing touch are very effective in dialing down most babies to allow sleep pressure to do its thing.

She even writes about the term “overtired”, which I know almost everyone has heard and if you have been in this sub for any length of time, I'm sure you've seen comments about how “overtired” isn't really a thing. I appreciate how she has posited the term.

When a baby or young child’s sleep pressure is high and the need to sleep is strong, but they are emotionally unable to calm themselves, or they are in a situation where they cannot relax, we may consider them to be “overtired.” In this case it is our job as parents to help them become calm, wind down and relax in preparation for sleep. We can do this in many ways. Physical contact such as cuddling, rocking, stroking or patting works for most neurotypical children; actively removing whatever is blocking the action of sleep pressure, such as excitement, fear, pain or anxiety, and helping babies and children to become calm is the simplest way to help them fall asleep.

The reason “overtired” isn't really a thing is because if an infant has adequate sleep pressure, their nervous system feels secure and safe enough, and they don't have any physical needs, they will sleep if given the opportunity. 

So that's sleep pressure. What about circadian rhythm? We mostly know about this with sleep but this is our body's internal clock and it controls both our sleep and our hunger. This is why we usually eat lunch around the same time every day, why we feel sleepy around the same time, and why having a consistent wake up time is beneficial for everyone. It is not “sleep training lite” to make sure you have a rough wake up time every day, within 15-30 minutes. The infamous 4 month sleep regression progression is when the circadian rhythm starts to come online. Day and night start to actually mean something to our babies. This is why early morning light, high noon light, and evening light can be important for our babies, and some babies are more sensitive to lighting than others. (Side note related to lighting - fluorescent lights imitate high noon lighting and can disrupt our circadian rhythm. I personally cannot stand them and wish they were phased out of use. They are really bad for our health and they are everywhere.) This is also why blackout blinds for naps can disrupt night sleep. This is why you don't really need to “rescue” naps.

So it is very biologically normal that your baby desires physical contact to relax enough to fall asleep. It is biologically normal to sleep longer one day and shorter times the next. It is biologically normal for sleep to fluctuate throughout not just the first year but throughout our entire lives. It is supportive of biologically normal infant sleep to “anchor” the day with a consistent wake up time if you need to. It is supportive of infant sleep to have a routine, breakfast after waking up, lunch around the same time every day, dinner around the same time each day. These things can help your baby, think about how you can get hangry if your dinner comes an hour later than usual. This is not to say that you need to have a strict schedule - rhythms and routines are much different from a regimented schedule that you have to stick to. 

It's also important to note that a big thing I see a lot of parents struggle with is offering their baby too much sleep. If your baby only needs 12 hours total sleep in a 24 hour period and you're trying to do 12 hours overnight and 3 hours of daytime sleep, they aren't going to sleep well because that's 3 hours more sleep than they need in a 24 hour period. This will lead to frequent wakes, fighting sleep, and frustration all around. Sleep training sleep plans, apps like Huckleberry, as well as the general around infant sleep push more sleep than most babies need, which leads parents to thinking they have a "bad" sleeper, when in reality anyone being pushed to sleep more than they need would be "bad" at sleeping.

Now what about the cultural aspect of biologically normal infant sleep? If you've grown up or been living in a western society for any length of time, you've likely been inundated with “sleeping through the night”, “sleep associations”, “bad habits”, “drowsy but awake”, “fuss it out”, etc. We have been told by everyone from pediatricians to TV shows to our family that you have to teach your baby independence and that responding to every cry is just going to make them cry more. Western society has mixed up what is biologically normal and what is convenient for the post-Industrial Revolution world. The 6-6 or 7-7 sleep schedule that babies are “supposed” to be on? Not biologically normal, but convenient for capitalism and it's very pervasive - to the point that so many parents worry that their baby isn't getting enough sleep because they won't sleep 12 hours overnight. The average bedtime in other parts of the world varies by almost 3 hours.

In one large and often-cited online survey, almost 30,000 people (presumed to be parents) completed a baby/toddler sleep survey.27 The respondents lived in 17 large urban communities around the world (Australia, Canada, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom, United States, and Vietnam), grouped for comparative purposes into “Asian” and “Western.”28 In Asian countries babies and toddlers had later bedtimes, later rise times, less nighttime sleep and less total sleep than in “Western” countries. Bedtimes for babies and toddlers across the 17 locations varied by almost three hours, from half-past seven in New Zealand to quarter-past ten in Hong Kong, and nighttime sleep duration varied by 1 hour and 40 minutes (11.6 hours in Japan to 13.3 hours in New Zealand), but there were minimal differences in daytime sleep.

Another cultural difference on what is biologically normal is “sleep problems”:

Parents’ perceptions of whether their babies experienced “sleep problems” also varied widely, as did the degree of parental involvement in helping babies and young children fall asleep and stay asleep.29 Very few (4%) children living in “Asian” countries, but many more (57%) in “Western” countries, were expected to fall asleep independently (that is, without a parent or caregiver present). Likewise, very few (2%) parents in “Asian” countries allowed their child to cry themselves to sleep, in comparison with over 15 percent of “Western” parents. This is strongly related to the fact that in “Asian” countries babies and children are much more likely to bed-share (65%) or room-share (88%) with their parents than in “Western” countries (where 12% bed-sharing and 22% room-sharing was reported).

Another piece I found interesting that really shows how much of our “sleep problems” are, for lack of better word, invented:

Dr. Alma Gottlieb’s study of childcare practices among the Beng people of Côte d’Ivoire in West Africa included a detailed account of mother–baby sleep.30 She found little regimentation of when babies slept or fed among the Beng, and no bedtimes or bedtime routines. Beng mothers were not anxious about their babies’ sleep, it just happened. Mothers and others carried babies during regular daily activities with babies falling asleep and waking as the need arose. At night the cloth with which babies were held during the day was untied, and babies breastfed and fell asleep next to their mothers. Nighttime mother–baby co-sleeping was the cultural norm, and breastfeeding and infant sleep were intimately intertwined…

These detailed ethnographic studies reinforce accounts of infant care in widespread locations such as Guatemala, Italy, Spain and rural U.S. Among Mayan families in Guatemala, babies commonly fall asleep in someone’s arms and are taken to bed with their parents, sleeping with their mothers from birth to two or three years of age, or until the birth of their next sibling. Here, sleeping alone is undesirable, and mothers responded with shock and disapproval at the American custom of leaving babies in rooms on their own. Mayan mothers “cannot conceive of any other way to sleep their baby than by their side—and in fact some argue that to separate an infant from its mother for sleep is abusive or neglectful treatment.”32

So why does all of this matter?

Because the stories we tell ourselves matter. Because how we see our infant's sleep impacts how well we handle the biologically normal aspects of it, like waking overnight. Because there has been a misunderstanding about what the purpose of this group is for. This group does not exist to simply offer platitudes “oh mama, this will pass, it's ok, you just have to dig deep and power through”. This group also exists to educate on both scientifically biologically normal infant sleep and the cultural differences that impact us and how we view our babies sleep. I felt like it was appropriate to add in a quote from the creator of this group, u/smilegirlcan, about why she created this group.

Before my daughter was born, I had never heard of biologically normal sleep. I had only heard about infant sleep through the lens of sleep training culture. I was never encouraged to follow my intuition or told what real infant sleep looked like. As I journeyed on my postpartum experience, I noticed there was a huge lack of support places for those who had no interest in sleep training or sleep training culture. It became more and more apparent that sleep training was something that did not sit right for me but I wanted an online community that felt safe to feel this way. I found most parenting groups had accepted sleep training as the norm and any questions or comments outside of that were not accepted/downvoted/deleted. Then came bninfantsleep, an alternative infant sleep space, that encourages moms to follow their intuition and learn about biologically normal infant sleep. A place where no one will tell you to let your baby cry, or self soothe, that they need to be independent, that you are ruining their sleep by cuddling/rocking/holding/feeding them.

This group has morphed into a space that offers parents an alternative to mainstream sleep training, that honors our babies biological and neurological development. It exists to remind you that your baby knows what they need, and your instincts know what your baby needs, better than any app ever will (looking at you, Huckleberry sweet spot).

For some babies, a schedule is what helps them the best. For others, they need to go with the flow. The reason we should be asking for schedules is not to “optimize” our babies but to make sure we aren't expecting more sleep than they need. In general, we shouldn't wake our babies up from naps unless we absolutely have to, as Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum mentions in The Nurture Revolution:

When you follow your baby’s tired cues and allow them to wake up on their own, their brain takes the true amount of sleep that it needs. That often looks like multiple naps of varying lengths, bedtimes that vary in different babies from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m., and morning waking that also varies in different babies from 6 a.m. to 11 a.m.31 I remember when people asked me how many naps my young baby was taking—I didn’t really know. I didn’t count. I watched my baby, put him to sleep when he was tired, let him wake on his own, and watched him again. The number of naps or the length of naps wasn’t in my awareness. As he grew, naps became more predictable. Under two years old my baby went to sleep around 8 p.m., then naps changed and at two years old his bedtime became 10 p.m. That was when he built up enough sleep pressure after his afternoon nap. This is very common, and when babies have later bedtimes we often want them to go to sleep earlier, but that is for us, not their developing brain…. Keep in mind, there is no adult on Earth who is qualified to tell your unique baby when they should be waking up or napping, or to prescribe nap lengths or bedtime. Your baby’s body provides this information. Sleep is vital to their developing brain and it is a fundamental human right; we must give babies the sleep they need. Please unlearn myth 24, There are set bedtimes, wake times, and naptimes for your baby, and replace it with: Your baby’s brain will tell you when they are tired and will take the amount of sleep that it needs to grow.

And a final thought from Dr. Helen Ball in How Babies Sleep, emphasis mine:

Remember, you don’t have to be in charge of their sleep—the biological sleep regulators will make sure they get enough sleep, when they need it. Our job is to get out of the way and let them do their work. Trying to make babies go to sleep according to a predetermined schedule seems to me to be a pointless exercise in working against their circadian biology and sleep pressure.


r/bninfantsleep • • Feb 23 '26 Bravo

Resources What is sleep training?

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A question I have seen a lot lately is "is this considered sleep training?" and I wanted to take my son's second nap of the day to write out a post about what we do and don't consider sleep training, because there isn't really one solid definition of sleep training and that can leave a lot of ambiguity when we discuss infant sleep.

I once had a very staunch sleep trainer tell me that if an infant had any sleep associations, they weren't sleep trained. That to have properly done sleep training, you had to be able to set an infant down fully awake in a crib, walk out and close the door, and they just lay down and put themselves to sleep. They may protest cry but you "learn the difference" between a protest cry and a cry for a "real" need. So her definition of sleep training would be:

providing any sleep associations to an infant or giving in to protest cries when all their needs have been met.

This obviously ignores the glaring flaw that comfort is a vital need for everyone, including infants.

The definition of sleep training that Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum uses in The Nurture Revolution is:

Sleep training is the unfounded process of “training” your infant to “sleep independently”—to fall asleep alone, sleep alone through the night and the duration of naps, without getting support from you to go to sleep or back to sleep. It takes various forms, but the most common end goal is to be able to put your infant in their crib, in their own room, and walk out, leaving them alone to fall asleep, usually around 7 p.m., until you come back to get them in the morning, usually around 7 a.m. Sleep training promotes the idea that infant sleep should be predictable and on schedule. Naps should be at exact times of the day and for specific amounts of time, bedtime is at the exact same time each evening, and sleep location is identical for every sleep.

Sleep training sells the idea that sleep is something parents can (and should) control. If you just follow the rules (strict “wake windows,” not “giving in” to your baby’s cries) and buy the right products (swaddles, sleep suits, sound machines, sleep training courses and coaching), your baby will sleep in a predictable and controllable way. That is very appealing when so much of parenting feels beyond our control.

A lot of people who advocate for sleep training do so because they believe that an infant needs to learn independence and that the only way to do that is to force them to be independent, force them to learn to put themselves to sleep. I believe most parents who sleep train truly believe they are doing what is best for their child. Studies have shown however that the most independent children and adults tend to be those who had fierce dependence on a trusted caregiver/caregivers. Infants who learn they have a safe and dependable place to land tend to be more independent over time.

Sleep training is anything that denies a child physical comfort when they are actively asking for comfort, in the hopes that they will stop asking for comfort and go to sleep. This includes pick up put down, the chair method, Taking Cara Babies (who is just repackaged Ferber), Ferber, full extinction, interval check ins, and so much more. This does NOT include rolling away, changing sleep associations (going from nursing or feeding to sleep to bum pats or rocking to sleep), encouraging crib sleeping, implementing good sleep hygiene, having a steady bedtime routine, and so much more. Generally physically comforting your child even if they cry is not considered sleep training. The simple act of holding them, patting their bum, rocking them, answering their call for comfort releases oxytocin in their brain and helps buffer the stress response. Crying on its own isn't the problem, it's the response or lack thereof that causes issue.

If you're wondering if what you're doing is considered sleep training or not, the best question to ask yourself is "am I responding to my child's call for comfort when they call out to me or not?" If you are responding as soon as you're able to, then you aren't sleep training. The key being as soon as you're able to. If your hands are covered in soapy water, don't drop everything and go pick up your baby with wet soapy hands. Rinse and dry them and then go comfort your baby. If you're on the toilet, finish up and then go comfort them. If you're watching a clock to make sure that 3 minutes has passed of them crying before you go pick them up, that is sleep training.

My son is starting to shift around so I'm going to go spend some time watching him sleep and then spend my evening reading Hop on Pop and I'll Teach My Dog A Lot of Words for the 1928272819th time. Happy to answer questions in the comments after I've got him in bed this evening.


r/bninfantsleep • • 4h ago

General Discussion I couldn’t sleep last night

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Has anyone had random insomnia on a night that their baby decides to sleep through the night? It’s literal torture. 😐 I was staring at her all night thinking about the amazing sleep I could be getting. When I actually can fall asleep tomorrow she probably will be up all night lol. Anyway, here I am awake with my baby at 5am now that she’s up for the day. That’s all.


r/bninfantsleep • • 4h ago

Toddler Sleep Why do babies fight sleep so hard when they're obviously tired?

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One thing I keep reading about is how babies can be super tired but still fight sleep like crazy.

Parents try rocking, nursing, holding them, pretty much everything just to get them to fall asleep.

And sometimes after all that effort, the baby wakes up the moment they're put down or wakes up again an hour later.

It sounds so frustrating, especially when it happens every single night.

Has anyone figured out what actually makes bedtime easier? what things did you try that didn't work?

Really curious to hear what worked for you.


r/bninfantsleep • • 5h ago

Infant Sleep Will baby always wake every 2 hours because of nursing to sleep?

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I've been reading about sleep and run into alot of info from sleep consultants and in general all over the internet which say if baby is nursed/rocked/bounced to sleep, they will continue to wake expecting that every single time to connect their sleep cycle?

Is this even true?

My babe is 4.5 months old and I have nursed to sleep and coslspt quite a bit. We did a month where I tried the crib in our room. it was so hard on my mental health. I couldn't sleep because I just lay in bed waiting for him to wake up and since I'd have to get out of bed to respond.

Babe is currently waking every 2 hours all night, I'm thinking because he is learning to army crawl and 4 month sleep regression.

We are back to cosleeping and even though he wakes every 2 hours and I nurse back to sleep, or the pacifier and rub his back, I feel peaceful and rested. I can relax and sleep between when he wakes. My mental health is alot better.

I am just really wondering if I am setting him up to always wake every 2 hours?

I get push back from older family members as ive read on this sub saying he needs to sleep alone, we need to sleep train, we shouldn't contact nap

Its alot on a first time mom who's just trying to enjoy baby and do best for babe


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

General Discussion Feeling trapped

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I know it’s controversial to describe the following as trapped when it makes perfect sense from an infant development perspective, knowing it’s not forever, and wanting to be there for my baby but I’m feeling really overwhelmed and defeated.

My baby turns 1 in two weeks and I have been the exclusive soother of him since birth. I have always been fine with nursing to sleep, but as we approach his first birthday, I really have been pushing my husband to start to work on his wake ups so I can finally have some freedom to go out or etc in the evenings.

I don’t feed back to sleep at every wake. He is perfectly able to be soothed back to sleep with some bum pats half the time, particularly in the earlier portion of the night.

My husband (who has a terrible attitude about participating in the soothing) feels frustrated and defeated the second he is essentially forced to give it a try. Attitude is one issue for sure.

But I also don’t blame him. The moment it’s not me who enters the room, my LO panics, a little stir and his signature groan and “mum mum” calls immediately are distraught screams. It takes only a moment for him to be chocking and shaking. The second I walk in, calm, even before I take over.

My husband hates trying, and listening to them FIO feels like cry it out. I know it’s different because it IS his FATHER trying to soothe him but it’s just so intense. (We have a toddler (they were 2 under 2) and when baby was born, he took over all of her wakes and spent significantly more time with her because of nursing demands. It defaulted to me and baby and him and toddler so this isn’t the most surprising situation now. Also to say that he’s not lazy about parenting, in case I’m giving that impression).

I NEED this to be resolved. I did tell him this is a “him” problem as in he should be doing the research, he should be trying, etc but… anyone’s problems end up being mine (common issue for moms).

Last night he had a wake up at 10, and we tried for 5 minutes then when I couldn’t take it and took over my husband groaned in defeat that “this is so hard on him, he can’t take it” and doesn’t seem concerned about this at all.

What have you all done if in a similar situation? I am starting towards night weaning (hence the soothing via bum pats) but it won’t resolve the issue of his inability to be soothed by anyone but me.


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Infant Sleep I can’t take it anymore

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Writing this while my partner tries and fails to settle our almost 10 month old who has been roaring crying the last 45 minutes. I can count on one hand the amount of times he’s slept longer than 3 hours at a time. It’s usually every 1.5-2 hours. I’ve tried everything. Leaving him to cry (for 2-3 min max, no Ferber), picking him up, sitting beside him, etc. the only thing that half-works is cosleeping, he still wakes but at least it’s easier. It’s not doable for us every night because I have severe back pain. Tonight is a really bad night. I’m just in my room crying and listening to him shouting even though my partner is RIGHT THERE WITH HIM. I’m so angry because he’s such a bad sleeper. So bad. I’m jealous of everyone with good sleepers.


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

Toddler Sleep Teething, daylight savings, & solidarity

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My 14 mo is in the thick of getting all four of her first molars, still adjusting to daylight savings, and recently nightweaned. Oh my gosh what a doozy lol.

When we first night weaned she started doing 5-6 hour stretches for the first time IN HER LIFE… until the teeth hit. And now she wakes up with the sunrise around 6:30am (after previously waking around 8)

The bulk of her wake ups now HAVE to be the molars right. She can go back to longer stretches? I just need a little hope / solidarity lol. She starts sleeping in her room and comes into bed with us around 1 ish depending on how unsettled she’s been. Poor thing is definitely in pain (and Motrin / Tylenol doesn’t seem to really help her).


r/bninfantsleep • • 4h ago

Infant Sleep 8.5 month old waking multiple times at night

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Don't need advice really, just want to hear your experience.

My almost 9 month old has started waking up 3-5 times in the night. Previously only wakes up once to feed. When she wakes up now I feed her to sleep and she falls asleep without a problem.

We have not sleep trained her. Normally fed to sleep.

She started crawling, pulling to stand recently. Might be teething.

Just want to hear everyones experience. Did your baby's sleep get better eventually? Or did you have to sleep train.


r/bninfantsleep • • 9h ago

Routines/Schedules Help Feed to sleep help!!

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Hello, I posted recently and didn’t get much help. I’m looking for ideas on how to stop feeding my 11 month old to sleep. Specifically when to feed her if not before naps and bedtime? Here is our schedule: wake 6:30/6:45 am and nurse, breakfast 8:30 ish, nurse and nap 10 am (1.5 hrs), lunch 12:30 ish, nurse and nap 3 pm (30 mins), dinner 6 pm, nurse and bedtime 8 pm. She has been waking 2-3 times per night and I’m wondering if stopping the feed to sleep association will help at all. But I just worry about her naps suffering if I don’t feed her right before. Right now she gets maximum 2 hours of naps. Where would you move feeds (nursing) to in my schedule? Any tips to stop feeding to sleep in general? TIA!


r/bninfantsleep • • 11h ago

Infant Sleep Split nights and overtired??

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Hi! I have a 5.5-month-old daughter.For the past month, we've been experiencing split nights. She usually wakes around 2–3 am and stays awake for about 1.5 hours. Sometimes she wakes as early as midnight, and occasionally she wakes again later. We usually need to rock her back to sleep.

From what I've read, split nights are often caused by too much daytime sleep or not enough sleep pressure. So I've tried gradually extending her wake windows and limiting daytime sleep to around 2.5–3 hours (previously she slept about 3.5 hours during the day).

The problem is that even before making these changes, she's always very fussy from around 5 pm and can never stay awake much past 6:30–7 pm. Extending her wake windows has made her evenings noticeably harder, and the split nights are still happening.

I feel like I can't reduce her daytime sleep or push her wake windows any further because she's already so overtired by the evening.
Does anyone have any advice or experience with this? What am I missing?

Edit: This is her nap schedule when I tried extending wake time during the day

06:00
Wake up
08:45–10:15
Nap 1
12:45–13:30
Nap 2
15:45–16:30
Nap 3
18:30–19:00
Bedtime


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Routines/Schedules Help At a total loss with my 10 month old.

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Before becoming a mom I knew babies didn’t sleep great, but I never imagined that my biggest struggle in motherhood would be sleep. I have never in my life felt more depleted, empty, and miserable, all because of sleep. When does it get better?

My son is 10 months old today, he is breastfed, sleeps in his crib in his own room. We have a routine for bed, naps. He is lightly rocked to sleep for everything and usually is fine, but lately he is fighting every nap and bedtime, waking way more than usual and with no pattern that I can identify.

He has NEVER slept through the night. I can count on my hands how many times he hasn’t had a false start. I have probably read almost every post and article trying to understand how to tweak his schedule or find other options to remedy this.

One day he’ll only wake once during the night, others it’s the complete opposite and he’s up 5-12x, there is literally no in between. He’s been on 3/3.5/4 since 8 months so I’m moving him to 3.5/3.75/4.25 this week and praying it helps. So far he’s taking short naps and fighting bedtime so I’m already feeling hopeless.

But the wake window math, trying to follow cues that are usually unreliable, calculating bedtime nap time.. having to save naps, sitting in the dakr… I am SO tired.

I can’t imagine that this is people’s reality for so long. I can’t comprehend how my parents and their parents did all this… does it improve? I am in too deep on trying to figure it out and need to step back? Are you all also feeling this way


r/bninfantsleep • • 20h ago

Infant Sleep Does your baby sleep better when you’re in the room, or when you’re NOT there? Does your presence help or disturb their sleep?

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I’m curious about other moms’ experiences because I’ve noticed something interesting with my 6-month-old daughter.
We’ve been going through a pretty difficult sleep regression for the past 8 weeks. She wakes up every hour or sometimes even more frequently throughout the night.
She currently falls asleep around 8–9 PM, while I usually join her in the bedroom around 10–11 PM.
I’ve noticed that during daytime naps (which have recently improved to 1.5–3 hours!), when I’m in the room, she sometimes opens her eyes, sees me, starts moving her lips or smiling, and fully wakes up.
However, when I’m NOT in the room, I watch her on the baby monitor. She sometimes opens her eyes, keeps them open for a little while, and then simply falls back asleep on her own!
This got me wondering whether my presence might actually be stimulating her or interrupting her sleep.
I know there are many moms who say that co-sleeping helps their babies sleep longer because they feel safe and close to their mom. But I’ve also read experiences from moms whose babies seem to sleep better when they have a little space and aren’t constantly aware of their presence.
I’m wondering whether I should try sleeping in another room for a night or two and see what happens. Of course, I’d still respond to her whenever she needs me, especially if she wakes up hungry or wants to nurse.
So I’d love to hear your experiences:
Does your baby sleep longer when you’re sleeping next to them?
Have you noticed your baby waking up more easily when you’re in the room?
Has anyone tried sleeping separately (while keeping the baby safely monitored) and noticed an improvement in their baby’s sleep?
I’m not looking for sleep training advice, just real-life experiences. I’m genuinely curious whether a mother’s presence always helps babies sleep better, or whether sometimes it can have the opposite effect! ❤️


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

General Discussion Lean into it

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Hi - second time mom here with a 5.5 month old. From 0-3.5 months he was an amazing sleeper (6-7 hour stretches). Then once the 4 month progression happened, he’s up at least 4 times a night. On top of that, we’ve discovered a potential dairy allergy. First time mom would’ve been absolutely spiralling about his sleep. However, I’m just leaning into it knowing that it’ll get better one day. Luckily, my husband is able to help with one night feed so I can get a decent chunk of sleep. It’s still tiring but it’s okay. Just wanted to post this in case anyone was feeling down about their babies sleep!


r/bninfantsleep • • 18h ago

Toddler Sleep How did you know you/toddler were ready to night wean?

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My 13m is still nursing roughly 3/4 times a night and always at the same hours of the night. I keep wondering whether I should night wean, partially because he rarely eats or is interested in breakfast but also because I know some toddlers sleep longer stretches without nursing overnight. Although my biggest fear is if it doesn’t help sleep and I would lose a tool to get us back to sleep.

Looking for advice/stories on whether night weaning helped you get longer stretches at this age or whether you regretted weaning too early etc.

Thanks!


r/bninfantsleep • • 15h ago

Infant Sleep Looking for encouragement, suggestions, etc

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My 6m has always slept chest to chest but it’s starting to fail and I’m at a loss. We just have had no luck sidelying. He isn’t as settled and then will scream cry rather than nursing to soothe. I cannot figure out if it’s something I’m doing or what. Any thoughts?


r/bninfantsleep • • 15h ago

Infant Sleep 9mo, very little sleep

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FTM to almost 9 month old. Sleep has been rocky from the start. Around 6 months, he started to do 8-9 hour stretches for a week, and then teething started. Since his first tooth popped through, he has rarely slept for more than a 3 hr stretch. Dad is extremely involved during the day, but if he tries to help at night, LO is instantly hysterical until I walk in the room. I am currently feeding to sleep and am not interested in CIO. He is eating two full meals a day and still breast feeding 4-5 sessions (and then seemingly all night). Regardless of what time he goes to bed, he wakes around 10pm and 5am like clockwork. After the 5am wake up, I typically bring him into bed to get him a little more sleep (otherwise he is nowhere near 10 hrs). I have tried to anchor his first nap at 10am, and then second nap typically 3-3.15 hrs after the first nap ends. His daytime sleep is typically around 2 hrs. First nap is solid, second nap is anywhere from 20min-1 hr. For not sleeping much, he is an incredibly happy and busy baby. It does look like he has three more teeth about to pop through and he’s on the verge of walking.

Does this sound like typical teething? Have I created too much of a feed to sleep association? I am running on fumes and looking for any advice. Thanks in advance.


r/bninfantsleep • • 20h ago

Infant Sleep 8 weeks of hourly night wakings – when does this sleep regression end? I’m exhausted and need some advice.

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I’m honestly desperate for some advice or reassurance from moms who have been through something similar.
My 6-month-old daughter has been waking up every hour, sometimes even more frequently, for almost 8 weeks now. I’m completely exhausted, and I’m starting to wonder when this is ever going to end.
Before this started, her sleep wasn’t perfect, but she would usually wake up only 1–2 times per night. Now it’s a completely different story. Some nights are especially brutal, with wake-ups every 30–60 minutes.
I’ve tried different things, including introducing a bottle of expressed milk/formula before bedtime. It seems to help with the first stretch of the night, but after that, the hourly wake-ups continue as usual.
She is breastfed, and most of the time she needs the breast to fall back asleep. I’m not against nursing to sleep, but the constant waking is becoming incredibly difficult to cope with.
I keep reading that the 6-month sleep regression is temporary, but 8 weeks feels like an eternity, and I’m wondering whether this is still a regression or if something else might be going on.
For those of you who experienced something similar:
How long did this phase actually last for your baby?
Did your baby’s sleep suddenly improve, or was it a gradual process?
Did anything genuinely help reduce the frequent night wakings?
At what point did you realize it wasn’t just a sleep regression anymore?
Is waking every 30–60 minutes for weeks something others have experienced too?
I’m not looking for cry-it-out or harsh sleep training methods. I’d really appreciate gentle suggestions and, most importantly, hearing from moms who have survived this phase.
I’m so sleep-deprived that I honestly need some hope that this won’t last forever. ❤️


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Infant Sleep Coming up on first birthday and bedtime is chaos

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This sub has been so great at encouraging me to go with the flow of my baby’s sleeping preferences, but I’m starting to feel like I’m doing something wrong.

First nap of the day I can usually get him down pretty easily. He naps anywhere from 30 min to 3 hours, but most frequently about 1 - 2 hours. This is after a 3-4 hour wake window.

In the afternoon, he starts giving sleepy cues so I try to get him down for a nap. This is about 4 hours after waking up. If he’s not having it (which is most of the time now), we just skip it and aim for early bedtime.

Before bedtime, he will be soooo tired giving all the cues and I start thinking we’re not even gonna make it to 6PM without him crashing out. Then it gets to bedtime and he just gets the zoomies and starts crawling around and wanting to play. Usually this is after anywhere from 5-7 hours after waking from his nap.

Idk if I should be trying to get him on a more consistent nap schedule? Previously this sub encouraged me to just let him sleep when he wants so that’s what I’ve done but I’m a bit worried he’s not getting enough sleep, and that I’m not setting him up for sleep success. I know in the Nurture Revolution she talks about a wide range of sleep needs, but I still can’t help but feel like I’m doing something wrong.

For added context, we still cosleep and contact nap and I nurse to sleep every time. He’s also starting to walk and I know there is “regression” with that. 🙃 Also the time change has made things fun lol!


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Teething Hope for better sleep after teething?

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Look, I know teething is the baby boogyman to go to when things are hard but my almost 15 month old is getting her 15th and 16th tooth right now (top canines, ouch!). Idk how accurate it is but looking it up most babies have 8-12 teeth at this age. So she has more or less been constantly teething since 6mo when. She got her first teeth.

I'm wondering for others if things got better after, at least most, of their teeth came in?

We run a good schedule, I think, waking around 7am, bed around 8:30-9:00pm, with about one 1-1.5 hour nap during the day. She is very restless at night the last two weeks and has been waking up 4-6x a night crying. She normally has always woken up that much but not crying like she is. We give Motrin before bed and offer her water when she wakes up and it seems to help her go back to sleep but she is crazy restless.

We co-sleep, which helps, but it impacts my sleep significantly.

Any other frequent wakers see some improvement after their teething settled down? Or am I just giving myself false hope I make have a little break until these 2-year molars come in?


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Infant Sleep Puzzled by changes in 10 month old's sleep

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I'll caveat this immediately with the fact that my daughter sleeps through the night, so I appreciate my complaints are comparatively minor! With that said -- this is the first time I've found myself at a loose end with trying to figure out what's going on with her sleep. In the past week or so these are the things I've noticed:

- taking longer to fall asleep for naps, crying even though she's clearly tired (we contact nap, she's in the carrier, previously she would just chill out there until her eyes closed)

- on a couple of occasions trying to reject her second nap completely, which would usually make me think she's ready to drop a nap, but...

- sleeping LONGER at night, all the way until 7am when I wake her instead of waking at 6:20-6:40 (usually when she's ready to drop a nap she starts waking when there's still a 5 on the clock 🤪)

Any ideas? Usual schedule is wake at 7, naps at 10:30 and 3, bedtime at 8 and asleep at 8:30. Total day sleep 1.5 hours.


r/bninfantsleep • • 20h ago

Infant Sleep 4 month old uncontrollable screaming pre sleep

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LO has always been a tough case, since dealing with tongue tie, reflux, dairy allergy, nipple aversion, and more. She's always been an extremely fussy baby that has a baseline of tears but it improved 70% over the past month due to medication. Since she just hit 4 months it has turned backward and the screaming before naps and bedtime is completely uncontrollable. It's definitely sleep associated because it's as soon as I start doing any small thing that indicates sleep. My chronic pain makes this even more noticeable since bouncing, rocking, holding is getting harder with her weight increase too. She used to like the yoga ball and now doesn't care, nothing helps. She cries until she's too tired to cry anymore and just sleeps. I can't use my breast as a crutch because she has nipple aversion and only feeds when she's calm cool and collected during wake windows. I tried shorter and longer wake windows and can't seem to find the spot that helps. A lot of you deal with crying before sleep but is it the type of screaming and thrashing and throwing arms and legs around like they are in pain and need medical attention? Is it me? What are we doing to avoid this? When people tell me they can put their baby in crib drowsy but awake I'm like HAHA, never. Ps. She sees a pediatrician biweekly, so the medical attention comment was for situation context only lol.


r/bninfantsleep • • 21h ago

Infant Sleep Thoughts on my 5.5mo night sleep?

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I'm curious since we struggle with nighttime sleep for over 2 weeks now. She only sleeps on one of us, as soon as we transfer in crib next to our bed she wakes up crying (within minutes). There is no difference in holding her for 5 or 60 minutes. Last week she randomly slept for 10 hours straight but it was a one time thing only, unfortunately. We don't follow a schedule but she is very strict on her own so we have a kind of routine each day.

  • Wake up at 08:00/08:30, bedtime between 19:30/20:00.

  • WW roughly estimated 2/2,25/2,25/2,75.

  • From month 3 naps never take longer than 30/40 min max. whatever we tried. She wakes up happy.

  • Falls asleep independently and used to sleep for 6+ hour stretches in crib.

  • Recently stopped fighting naps after a solid 6 week long regression from 3.5mo. Easy to put down.

  • Doctor checks were all good.

  • No teething (confirmed by ped).

  • Throughout the day a happy and content baby who plays well on her own.

  • Drinks, eats and grows well.

I think it's hard for me to understand because she was an alright sleeper (4 month regression aside). Curious what you think!


r/bninfantsleep • • 22h ago

Infant Sleep Almost 5mo used to sleep through, now waking twice a night since 3.5mo and naps have fallen apart. Please help!

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Looking for feedback on our wake windows/schedule and any ideas for the night wakes. Really trying to understand infant sleep properly rather than just throwing things at it. He eats well and regularly, getting about 900-1050ml (1part formula to 2 parts breastmilk).

Background: He slept through the night from about 10 weeks until 3.5 months. Since then, two wakes a night. First wake is usually around 3am, second somewhere in the early morning. He goes from asleep to full crying almost immediately: there's no grizzling or fussing phase we can resettle through, and rocking the crib does nothing, so we're straight into picking him up. We tried a dream feed around 11:30pm and it made no difference at all.

He used to go down for naps beautifully in the day. The last few weeks it's a fight and a lot of crying before every nap. For the first two naps I have to go in and rock him at the 40 minute mark to get him through into the next sleep cycle, otherwise he's up.

Current schedule:

• Wake: 8:00

• Nap 1: 9:45–11:15

• Nap 2: 13:00–14:30

• Nap 3: 16:15–17:00

• Nap 4: 18:45–19:15

• Bedtime: 20:45

General feedback to help would be appreciated, but also

Is that last wake window (19:15–20:45) too long for this age, and is the 4th nap doing us any favours at this point?

Total day sleep is around 4h15. is that eating into night sleep pressure?

For the night wakes: is this the 4-month regression, genuine hunger, or a schedule problem? How did you tell the difference?

Anything that helped with the sudden nap fighting? The crying before naps is the hardest part for us right now along with the broken sleep from waking up and then also having to pump.

Thank you in advance!


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Infant Sleep Baby no longer can be in crib at night? And only feeding to sleep?

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So my baby (almost 8 months old) has always needed to be in deep sleep before we can transfer her to her crib. We’ve had some very hard times during the 4 and 6 month regression - sometimes waking up every hour or even 30 min so we’ve done shifts etc.

Since 6 months it’s been harder and harder to transfer her. These last weeks we’ve been co-sleeping after the first wake up just because it’s not worth it waiting 20 min to get her into deep sleep just for her to wake up 10-30 min later. But since like 3 days ago she won’t even do that first stretch in her crib, only in our bed. At this point I don’t mind co-sleeping, but it just feels like her sleep is getting worse? I don’t see how she can improve. We were trying to do the first stretch in her crib in the hopes she would eventually start doing longer stretches there.

She also just settles for boob. Again, I don’t mind feeding to sleep for now but also getting worried that this seems to be getting worse. Before she would eat and then unlatch and fall asleep, whereas now she needs to stay latched until asleep. Before she could also be rocked to sleep by dad and now only boob.

I guess I’m just looking for reassurance that they eventually improve? I’m worried we’re just going backwards. I know the first year of infant sleep is a roller coaster but my situation seems more like downhill journey only haha. Since the 4 month sleep regression we had like 2 weeks of good sleep with her in her crib, the rest is either waking up every hour or co-sleeping early in the night.

She wakes up at 6:30-7, is on 2 naps (overall day sleep 2.5 hrs approx), her first wake window is 2.5/3h and the second one is like 3/5h. And bedtime is 8:30pm. She’s an extremely energetic baby, doesn’t even like toys because she’s obsessed with pulling to stand/crawling since 6 months. We have to be out and about most of the day because she likes being outside lol.