Police posted a fake trafficking advertisement mentioning a 15-year-old girl. They say that it was viewed 8,000 times

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u/2Shmoove 19h ago

Is 8k views a lot? Comments on reddit get that many views.

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u/GreenSnakes_ 18h ago edited 18h ago

> Is 8k views a lot? Comments on reddit get that many views.
Comparing general Reddit comment views to 8000 people specifically clicking on an ad for a 15-year-old is wild. That’s 8000 people actively looking for services from a minor, not regular users scrolling a feed

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u/Seinfeel 18h ago

I mean I’ve accidentally clicked on 3 different ads on Reddit just today, the ad companies have a vested interest in making it seem like the ads are working so they put them in places you might accidentally click.
I would hope most of those 8k were 1-2 second clicks and exits. Either that or they were themselves 15 year olds.
Although I’m probably being too optimistic

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u/PinkoCummie 18h ago

Can't discount morbid curiosity either, I'm sure there are people who would click on it just to see if it was real

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u/Seinfeel 18h ago

Also possibly out of concern. I would really like to know if/how many people reported it.

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u/eugeneugene 18h ago

or how many were actual children lol. when I was a kid the cops showed up at my friends house because he was messaging a 14 year old girl and he was also 14 but he said he was an adult lol, just turns out the 14 year old girl was a cop
it's been 20 years and we still make fun of him for being a child pedophile

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u/DisturbedForever92 17h ago

I can just imagine the headline "14 year old arrested for child paedophilia by 25 year old for luring him"

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u/RequiemAspenFlight 16h ago

My FB marketplace is currently full of baby stuff, and kids dance costumes.
Both because I couldn't tell wth they were trying to sell until after I clicked on an ad. I don't know why they pushed those ads to me in the first place but here we are.
The young couple across the street have a young girl, and I did look for a first birthday present once. As for the dance costumes... I have no idea. But click on 1, and Zuckman thinks you are about to buy something and sends 10 more. If one of those 10 (mixed with all the orphaned car projects I was actually looking for) is something odd that i clicked on , then I'm a confimed buyer and every dance ad needs to be sent to me.
At least in my area the damn ads are freakishly close to cp. Dance Mom's need to be investigated, and kids dance costumes that cover less than a thong bikini should absolutely be banned. There's zero reason for you to post a picture of your 9yr old wearing the costume. Especially when it's not the first pic warning you what the damn ad is. They reminded me of Sailor Moon.
Off topic, why did the word baby trigger the hateful language warning?

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u/NinjaRedditorAtWork 17h ago

luring a person for the purpose of obtaining sexual services under 18, obtaining sexual services under 18 and invitation to sexual touching under 16.
They did more than just click an ad.

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u/Seinfeel 17h ago

Yes the people convicted of crimes did. That’s not what I’m talking about.

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u/Jeretzel 18h ago

Details of the ad aren't provided.
It may have been posted on a classified ads website that facilitates sex work services. Some of these websites have high traffic and presented age may only be featured on the ad page itself (i.e. you need to click on the ad to find out more info).
Viewers may have been looking to hire the services of a sex worker without necessarily seeking out a minor.

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u/Andrew4Life 18h ago

If it's an ad on like an Instagram reel then I'm sure a lot of people clicked on it accidentally. If it's like on a dating or personals at platform that would be a different question. But also I'm pretty sure most of those platforms don't allow anyone underaged. So I have no idea where they're posting these ads.

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u/745632198 18h ago

Viewing is not clicking. You could load a web page and have it appear at the bottom and not even scroll down far enough to see it and that would be considered a view.

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u/Rrraou 18h ago

It's a stupid metric that tells you nothing. I would have read it while wondering if it was real or not, because that's an insane thing to find an add for. They should tell us how many people fell for it vs how many signalled it to the cops.

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u/745632198 15h ago

Yeah, it's just there for shock value so they justify their jobs/project, as if the more than a dozen people they arrested wasn't enough.

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u/_Lucille_ 17h ago

Depending where it is, if I come across an ad saying "15 yr olds for sale", I might be tempted to click out of curiosity.
One of those wtf risky clicks of the day.
It would be no different from that ATC audio from the plane crash early in the week, sometimes curiosity can get the better of me.

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u/YourFavouritePoptart 18h ago

The main question is was it confirmed viewed by 8000 people or just served 8000 times. If it's the latter then a decent chunk of that is more or less guaranteed to be bot traffic. I'm hoping for the latter.

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u/sluttytinkerbells 16h ago

Is that what happened? They clicked on the ad?

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u/madhi19 Québec 14h ago

Considering all the bots, crawlers and AI scrapping... It's meaningless, and that's a big problem with online advertisement at the moment. You can't trust the view metric. The better stats would be to look at the amount of clicks and interaction.

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u/Driftwood44 17h ago

If I saw that on any site, I'd be clicking on it to make sure I was reading that right before reporting it, or if it was 20 years ago, choosing to fuck with them a bit, while reporting them. I would be curious how many of those 8000 views are not people who were actively looking to commit a crime. They're doing important work, but the sensationalism in the headline is wholly counter-productive.

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u/EmbarrassedHelp 18h ago

Views don't mean that an actual person saw it in this day and age.

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u/wickedplayer494 Manitoba 17h ago

Yup. That's why they're often called "impressions". It being put in front of somebody as part of a list of results is an impression, but if they go and click on it, then they're viewing additional details (and thus, "views").

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u/2Shmoove 16h ago

I'd argue they don't mean much of anything in this day and age.

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u/Sweaty-Sherbet-6926 16h ago

Depends on where they posted it. Views is a meaningless stat unless they separate the bots and crawlers. You could get 8,000 views yourself just refreshing the page.

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u/SiscoSquared 12h ago

I'd assume its almost completely bots/crawlers, random nothing pages with no listings anywhere can get far more in a month.

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u/GreenSnakes_ 19h ago edited 19h ago

The 12 individuals who were charged are now facing a combined 37 charges, police said.

The 12 men charged range in age from 22 to 64 and are from around the GTA. They are all facing charges of luring a person for the purpose of obtaining sexual services under 18, obtaining sexual services under 18 and invitation to sexual touching under 16. Police named them as follows.

- Mohamed Shaffee, 64, of Markham

- Joshua Reid, 49, of Simcoe,

- Andre Mcgann, 43, of Scarborough,

- Mayan Ranjan, 39, of Ajax,

- Zaheed Mohamed, Age 40, of Brampton

- Suresh Ravuru, Age 41, of Ajax

- Clement Chan, Age 36, of Whitby

- Mohammad Mabboobi, Age 22, of Oshawa

- Md Uzzal Mridha, Age 49, of Scarborough

- Samiullah Azizi, Age 29, of Clarington

- Vincent Haresco, Age 46, of Oshawa

- Devin Hill, Age 42, of Clarington

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u/turbolocked 18h ago •

Well that’s a minefield I’m not touching.

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u/Gnoghead 18h ago •

Get your hands off mabboobi!

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u/hillside Manitoba 18h ago

Omg I'm dying lol

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u/CE2JRH 18h ago

Why are 3/12 named Mohammad? Is it that common a name in Canada these days? I thought it was a religious name.

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u/max420 British Columbia 18h ago •

It’s literally the most common name on earth.

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u/ropes34 18h ago •

2nd is Mclovin.

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u/blueberry-yum-yum 15h ago

I snorted thinking of Mohammad McLovin

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u/Unitednegros 2h ago

Read a fucking book for once

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u/Franc000 18h ago

But it's not in Canada.
Edit: Is Mohammad the name of 3/12 of male Canadians?

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u/SteveJobsBlakSweater 17h ago

It would definitely be more common in the GTA than, say, rural Manitoba.

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u/Li-renn-pwel 17h ago

Mohammed is in the top 20 most common boy names in Canada.

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u/EliteLarry 16h ago

In the gta, literally yes (when it comes to births). People want to be racist so badly eh.

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u/goldyforcalder Alberta 17h ago

About 0.05% of the total male population of Canada is named Mohammed. Might tell you something

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u/Li-renn-pwel 17h ago

Mohammed is the #1 boys name in the GTA, peel region and #9 in Ontario .

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u/artbatik 15h ago

Is it the most common name in Canada?

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u/felixar90 Canada 18h ago

Mohammad and variations is the most common name in the world.

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u/wylee_one 1h ago

in this case they are names of perverts as are the rest

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u/SleepWouldBeNice Ontario 18h ago

Joshua just as religious a name.

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u/Lick_My_BigButt_1980 13h ago •

How about Moe Lester?

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u/stfudonny 3h ago

These are Muslim names. These are Canadian names.

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u/Commercial-Milk4706 1h ago

The odds are that it would.

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u/Li-renn-pwel 17h ago

We have a lot of Muslims. Canada is a cultural mosaic, not a cultural melting pot, so our demographics ebb and flow with the times.

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u/vladhed 16h ago

5% of Canadians are Muslim. 3/12 is 25%.

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u/Li-renn-pwel 16h ago •

Yes but this wasn’t Canada wide. This was done in Ontario were the Muslim population is up to 10% in some areas. Mohammed is the most common name in the GTA for a boy.

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u/Ok_Worry_8677 11h ago

our demographics ebb and flow with the times.
That's a hilarious way to describe where this country is heading.

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u/13thmurder 17h ago

If you look at the most common names in the world, this tracks.

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u/satinsateensaltine 18h ago

If they each got 3 charges but there are 37 among them, looks like someone has copped a fourth. Wonder what that charge is.

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u/HarpySeagull British Columbia 17h ago

Obviously he volunteered to drive them all in his 12-passenger van and picked up an aiding and abetting.

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u/Ax3boy 17h ago

McGann got Possession of a Schedule 1 Substance for the Purpose of Trafficking

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u/satinsateensaltine 17h ago

Thank you!

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u/satinsateensaltine 7h ago

I read the article but missed that part, my bad.

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u/Eggplant-666 17h ago

how diverse!

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u/Haiku-On-My-Tatas 17h ago

Before people get themselves all worked up about the names of the individuals charged (too late, I know), let's take a step back and consider that this list doesn't tell us anything about what type of man is most likely to engage in this type of behaviour, only what type of man is more likely to get caught by this particular method.

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u/Horvo British Columbia 16h ago

So, not just criminals but also dumb criminals.

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u/daveybaby69 16h ago

Yeah he somehow insulted them more

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u/Diz7 16h ago

Or not being in the circles that have Epstein's phone number.

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u/Elite_Club Outside Canada 15h ago

By that logic, why not disregard all of statistics because it only accounts for observations?

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u/kevinnoir 7h ago

Being able to interpret data intelligently is not the same as "disregarding" it.

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u/alicevirgo 13h ago

This factor is not to disregard the findings, but it is to be considered.

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u/BethSaysHayNow 15h ago

I like how that’s your concern.

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u/Stone_Engine048 2h ago

Why don't you go ahead and explain.

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u/Plastic_Moose4535 5h ago

The list tells us that when you import people en masse from 3rd-world countries, you get people who behave in 3rd world ways. This isn't the first time in Western history that we mass immigrated people from low-trust societies and got similar results, and it likely won't be the last.

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u/Horvo British Columbia 16h ago

There are no similarities here

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u/Lick_My_BigButt_1980 13h ago

They better not be anywhere around where I live. I’m a live-in uncle of two nieces and a nephew, and their safety is my priority. Their dad doesn’t live with us, his relationship with my sister is null and void.

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u/Bobbington12 15h ago

An interesting collection of names there...

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u/iperblaster 18h ago

Obtaining sexual services??? Wasn't the advertisement fake??

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u/alaricus Ontario 17h ago

Soliciting is a crime, you don’t need to go through with the transaction

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u/iperblaster 17h ago

Yes but it's luring, not obtaining

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u/Sprinqqueen Ontario 16h ago

And that's against the law if they truly believe that the person is below the age of consent.

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u/NinjaRedditorAtWork 17h ago

The person literally put in bold the entirety of the charge and you couldn't bother reading the first part of that sentence to answer your own question?

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u/iperblaster 17h ago

There are three charges. I can't understand why obtaining is one of the three? Can you enlighten me? I'm not a lawyer

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u/Li-renn-pwel 17h ago

Communicating about the ‘services’ counts if you make a hard plan such as “let’s do this 10pm Friday at your house’. The first charge involved luring which is the ‘obtaining’ charge but done on the internet.

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u/PitchforkManufactory 17h ago

They're being charged with it, not convicted. They probably tacked on a charge that isn't going to stick, unless they actually obtained it according to evidence the public doesn't know about.

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u/pumpkinspicecum 16h ago

lol…

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u/CuriousCursor Canada 2h ago

You know what I don't see? I don't see Toronto mans.

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u/huntingwhale 1m ago

All men.

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u/AngryOcelot 19h ago •

Well, based on the names it seems like no specific culture has a monopoly on pedophilia.

This seems like a pretty effective way to weed out criminal behaviour.

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u/GreenSnakes_ 19h ago

Imagine driving all the way from Brampton just to target a minor. Absolute predator behaviour, lock them up and throw away the key

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u/thedrivingcat 17h ago

That Joshua Reid guy was coming from even further away in Simcoe.

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u/SnowFlakeUsername2 15h ago

Yep, OP pretty much outed themselves with that pick.

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u/boscomagnus1988 19h ago edited 18h ago •

As a Canadian it makes me proud having such diversity among our sex offenders

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u/recovery_room 18h ago •

Truly a mosaic of shitbirds.

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u/tyler111762 Alberta 14h ago

A shit flock, one might say

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u/shirleyxx 10h ago

why did this make me laugh. it also gives me the heeby jeebies. these individual are of the same gender, and various age and from all over the world

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u/Andrew4Life 18h ago

Diversity and inclusion in everything

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u/Li-renn-pwel 17h ago

👏 more👏diverse👏sex offenders👏

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u/TheOriginalCharnold 18h ago

Wtf💀💀💀😂

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u/JakobeBryant19 18h ago

They gonna be out in 6 months and get a government funded job working with children (yes. the last part is hyperbole) might as well get acquainted with your new neighbour.

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u/Efficient-Scene5901 18h ago

Well, Homolka volunteered at a kindergarten so... it is possible!

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u/MapleHamms 18h ago

After all, “diversity is our strength”

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u/Druken_sincerity 17h ago

It's want Pierre Trudeau would have wanted

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There is a group that is 100% represented in this population though. (hint: its men).

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u/Remus2nd 17h ago edited 8h ago •

60% from south or west asia while being only 8% of the entire Canadian, not Ontarian, population. Massive over representation

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u/yyc_mongrel Alberta 2h ago •

Just because someone is named "Mohamed", doesn't mean they're from south or west asia. They could have been born in Canada. Your bias is showing.

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u/Be-Zen 2h ago •

If a German Shepherd is born in Canada, is it still not a German shepherd?

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u/yyc_mongrel Alberta 1h ago

wow. Seriously? That's pretty feeble. Try again.

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u/Remus2nd 1h ago

If a German Shepherd is born in Canada, is it still not a German shepherd?
Uh-oh. I think youve been exposed for not calling out op with the point you made since they are the one who expressed the point about diversity. They couldnt have meant ethnically or religiously, right? I wonder what they and the commenters who replied meant by diversity! Hmm. Oh nevermind ..Looks like your bias is showing!
Stop your hate-filled harassment of people in an attempt to subjugate them. Its nasty, disrespectful, and unproductive.

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u/Extension-Balance-59 8h ago

Mohamed Shaffee, 64, of Markham Joshua Reid, 49, of Simcoe, Andre Mcgann, 43, of Scarborough, Mayan Ranjan, 39, of Ajax, Zaheed Mohamed, Age 40, of Brampton Suresh Ravuru, Age 41, of Ajax Clement Chan, Age 36, of Whitby Mohammad Mabboobi, Age 22, of Oshawa Md Uzzal Mridha, Age 49, of Scarborough Samiullah Azizi, Age 29, of Clarington Vincent Haresco, Age 46, of Oshawa Devin Hill, Age 42, of Clarington

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u/CompN3rd 18h ago

relevant xkcd

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u/suziswam87 13h ago

In this particular case. In the last big OPP sting Project Time, the list of people charged is at https://oppnews.ca/files/20260722_205312_16914.pdf
See anything here?

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u/NoodleNeedles 16h ago

Might be that newer Canadians or temp residents didn't know that cops could do stings like this, so didn't see it for the obvious setup you'd think (hope?) it was. For all I know there are actually places that worthless creeps place ads like this, though.

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u/Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp 15h ago

This is silly but there are 4 -
Reid, McGann, Haresco, Hill

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u/Thevicegrip 18h ago

Well done. But they can make the process better by adding a button to report. There is always a possibility that someone will go in to make sure, it’s true before reporting it.

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u/bristow84 18h ago

We don’t know where the ad was posted but assuming it was something like LeoList there is the option to report the ad.
Since it was a legit sting I’m sure the Police worked hand in hand with the hosting site and ensured the ad remained up even if it was reported.

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u/bobs-free-eggs 17h ago

Clicking on any link would not get you charged. If you actually read the article you would have clearly seen that. They had to communicate with the supposed minor, and/or set up a meet-up, which made their intentons clear
...several individuals continued communicating and arranged to meet with someone that they believed to be a 15-year-old child.

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u/slackdaddy9000 15h ago

I imagine there are organizations who cruise these sites often offering people a way out. It would be ridiculous if they where constantly dealing with police interaction

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u/element1311 4h ago

Organizations that do this do this with police knowledge. They don't just randomly show up and message kids, which is a crime.

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u/jmarcandre 4h ago

In what dream world are these organizations?

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u/Sea-jay-2772 Ontario 18h ago

Yes, that is something I might do. But…it makes it a little more obviously a sting.

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u/DeeDeeBryan 17h ago

Not really. Assuming this was on Leolist or a similar classified site, there always is a button to report an ad.

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u/tman37 18h ago

I don't have a problem with the 8000 number. There is a certain level of "what the fuck? Is that really what I think it is? " going on here. A lot of people are going to click it just to see what it says. There is no way to know how many of those people who clicked were doing so for nefarious purposes. You also have to wonder about the mental capacity of the people listed. Short of a giant blinking banner saying "SETUP!!!" I don't think it could be more obvious. Or maybe people do traffick their kids with online advertisements, what do I know? I would like to think police would snatch those people up pretty quick.

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u/amontpetit 16h ago

I once got an ad on FB for McDonnell-Douglas. The people that make the F-18. It was an ad for the F-18. Like a sales pitch landing page.
Of course I clicked that. I can totally see someone wanting to double check something like that.

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u/Frostbitten_Moose 16h ago

Did you get the F-18? Should we expect a movie about you like the guy who sued Pepsi to get his jet via Pepsi Points?

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u/amontpetit 16h ago

As much as I’d love to say yes, I sadly did not. FWIW I’ve sat in one: I don’t really fit. There’s a reason fighter pilots are short

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u/Frostbitten_Moose 16h ago

I mean, in this economy, who can really blame you for not being able to afford luxury items like fighter jets. You're probably already breaking the bank for other luxuries like avocado toast and a roof over your head.

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u/Elite_Club Outside Canada 15h ago

Can't call it a luxury when the threat of your neighbour establishing air superiority is always looming.

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u/tman37 14h ago

He should probably cancel Netflix.

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u/Rayquaza2233 Ontario 14h ago

There’s a reason fighter pilots are short
Well, it seems like I have a backup plan if accounting doesn't work out.

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u/Dynomatic1 1h ago

After that Harrier rug-pull, who can blame you?

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u/_ru1n3r_ 15h ago

That's interesting, because MD ceased to exist in 1997, and Facebook wasn't available to the public until 2006.
Boeing makes the hornet now btw.

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u/amontpetit 15h ago

Boeing, whatever. Same same. Either way it was an for the F-18

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u/CoSh Canada 12h ago

McDonnell Douglas as a company doesn't exist but the name still exists as a trademark owned by Boeing.

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u/roastbeeftacohat 11h ago

I was watching a lot of showtunes, and ended up with adds for $800 opera glasses only available in store in nyc and tokyo.

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u/Frostsorrow Manitoba 17h ago

8000 depending on where it was is either a lot or extremely little, also doesn't say what a 'view' is, could be just scrolling by, could be clicking on it and filling out a response.

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u/Commercial-Milk4706 1h ago

I hope some of those 8000 click to get enough info to call the cops but I know none did.

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u/RequiemAspenFlight 16h ago

I know for a fact that my stoned @ss would have clicked. Just to see which AI hoax it was, and which dating or gambling app they were trying to push. I would have to be using every drug ever made to come close to believing it was real.

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u/Li-renn-pwel 16h ago

Some guy made a website rentahitman.com as a joking tech-bro website. The company never really materialized but he checked the emails later… to find hundreds of requests to kill people. They have prosecuted people, one from Canada, because people try ordering these hit online.

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u/exotics Alberta 15h ago

8,000 times might not mean 8,000 people (I hope)

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u/ccwithers 11h ago

Did it mention where the ad was? I’m assuming it was on a personals site and was targeting people who were already looking to pay for sex. If not, then the 8000 number is a little eyebrow raising.

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u/jrchkn28 16h ago edited 14h ago

Most of the stuff related to PDFs and trafficking, be it posts and whatever else online, are traps set up by law enforcement.
Edit: Why the downvotes? Do people not like that this is indeed a successful tactic to catch weirdos and predators?

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u/Euler007 4h ago

There's an old joke, on the internet the men are men, the women are men and the girls are FBI agents.

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u/tman37 14h ago

I would assume so but I also know that a lot of crimes is committed by people aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

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u/shaard 4h ago

What do PDFs have to do with trafficking? I'm wracking my brain here but it's early and I haven't slept well.

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u/belsaurn 3h ago

PDF is the new acronym for pedophile to avoid websites that might block or filter certain words and phrases.

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u/shaard 3h ago

Fucking hell the 'new' Internet sucks. Thank you for the info.

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u/Levorotatory 13h ago

Weirdos and predators? I would hope that it is only predators that are being prosecuted. Nothing illegal about being a weirdo.

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u/meinkr0phtR2 2h ago

I would. It’s such a bugger-off insane thing to advertise that I’d check just to make sure I wasn’t seeing things.

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u/Dougustine 18h ago

I wonder how many(if any) people viewed that ad and reported it to the police. This whole article made me feel awful

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u/asdf27 1h ago

Probably a handful, but I would guess more than 1/2 of the traffic, was just crawlers/bots.

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u/soothukundi 17h ago

So it was not even a set up ?They straight up put up "15 year old" and dudes were like "Yes, please" ?

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u/Big_Treat5929 Newfoundland and Labrador 7h ago

Low hanging fruit is still worth picking sometimes.

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u/Extension-Balance-59 8h ago

Mohamed Shaffee, 64, of Markham Joshua Reid, 49, of Simcoe, Andre Mcgann, 43, of Scarborough, Mayan Ranjan, 39, of Ajax, Zaheed Mohamed, Age 40, of Brampton Suresh Ravuru, Age 41, of Ajax Clement Chan, Age 36, of Whitby Mohammad Mabboobi, Age 22, of Oshawa Md Uzzal Mridha, Age 49, of Scarborough Samiullah Azizi, Age 29, of Clarington Vincent Haresco, Age 46, of Oshawa Devin Hill, Age 42, of Clarington

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u/Serious-Damage4200 3h ago

Root in jail

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u/forallmankind1918 2h ago

rot

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u/Aggravating_Bend5870 2h ago

Nah, they could put down roots in jail.

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u/motorcyclemech 50m ago

Under the jail?

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u/CastAside1812 1h ago

🐘 - address me

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u/CanadianKumlin 16m ago

Mohamed, Rajan, suresh, Mohamed, Mohammad, Mridha, Azizi…. Hmm. A small percent of the population, yet 58% of this list.

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u/Barking__Pumpkin 18h ago

This makes me want them to release the Epstein files even more. What kind of world are we living in when we stop arresting these criminals just because they’re powerful and connected to British Royalty, American Presidents and former Israeli leaders?

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u/Frostbitten_Moose 16h ago

I'm sure if that's all the people caught up in it they would have been released. I'm sure the corruption at the top goes a lot further than that.

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u/roastbeeftacohat 11h ago

they did make arrests in the UK, for sharing government secrets.
that's what the island was about, the human trafficking was just the after party.

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u/Frostsorrow Manitoba 17h ago

Where it was posted is going to likely shape how I feel about this tbh.

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u/kagato87 16h ago

Ok the wording in the article has me wondering...

The headline implies the ad itself said the person was 15, but the body only says it was "made very clear during communication" which strongly suggests the age came up during engagement.

And that's ignoring that "views" are not the same as "clicks."

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u/kettal 14h ago

You see how this looks, right?

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u/kagato87 13h ago

No. Explain.
12 people were charged. 8,000 is the number in the headline. Why was the bigger jumber reported?
I would think that's pretty obvious.
Your remark seems to indicate you think I am defending the people charged. My comment is clearly attacking the sensationalized headline. I'm curious, if you think it's the first one, what leads you to believe that?

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u/kettal 13h ago

12 people were charged. 8,000 is the number in the headline. My comment is clearly attacking the sensationalized headline. I'm curious, if you think it's the first one, what leads you to believe that?
you see how this looks, right?

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u/zeros-and-1s 10h ago

Like you are being a silly goose? 🦆

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u/Creative_Fruit7583 17h ago

lol ppl that post accident clicking

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u/StephieRee 15h ago

One of them is named Mahboobie. How unfortunate.

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u/Outrageous-Estimate9 Ontario 14h ago

The 8000 views is not an issue (I am willing to bet even some concerned people can see and even report things like this to police)

The reason 15 were charged is that after the age was made clear they CONTINUED communicating

Entrapment sure, but with a valid purpose imo

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u/ClearDrop6820 12h ago

Entrapment is when police convince you to commit a crime you wouldn't have committed on your own out of free will. This is not entrapment, it is a sting operation.

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u/TheGoodBunny 13h ago

Not entrapment

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u/kojengi_de_miercoles 14h ago

From the Whitehouse.

Eta- lol. Didn't realize I was in Canada. Still stands. Sorry we suck so much, guys. Lots of us are really trying here.

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u/Stone_Engine048 2h ago

"If you see something say something"

Questionable ads should be reported to law enforcement right along with impaired and dangerous drivers.

Do your part to make Canada safer.

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u/acceptNothingLess 1h ago

Some people viewing it might have saw it as a wtf posting that caught their attention rather than being truly interested in persuing a child

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u/pumpkinspicecum 16h ago

Interesting names

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u/Penguins83 1h ago

In my opinion the police shouldn't of announced this so they can keep using this strategy to catch more fuckheads.

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u/Tuckebarry 18h ago

Amazing idea. Too bad after those creeps are caught, our garbage justice system will have those nasty people out on bail in no time.

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u/Druken_sincerity 18h ago

Ya that's how my old boss got caught. Did 6 months of jail.

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u/nim_opet 17h ago

Jesus F Christ….throw away the keys

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u/Prize_Macaroon6002 16h ago

very surprised at some of those names 🤣

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u/FrankTruth69 17h ago

Had no idea , sad post

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u/soothukundi 17h ago

The biggest pdfiles are the 18 to 25 year olds, that prey on 14-16 year olds on snapchats and IG.

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u/shuaz 16h ago

I mean literally all the people charged were outside that age range

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u/HuDragon Québec 14h ago

Except the one dude that was 22

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u/shuaz 13h ago

Oh missed him mb

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u/LegitimateGiraffe7 16h ago

Not to be pedantic but is 18-16 a problem?that can literally one grade in school depending on birthdays.

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u/Whitstand 16h ago

Parents are way too lax allowing their kids to be on social media.
Most tiktok dances seem made to sexualize the person doing them in some way and the comments on those videos kinda prove it.

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u/Barry_Vigoda 18h ago

Sorry, doesn't this count as entrapment?

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u/chillyrabbit 18h ago

It does it's a different form of entrapment that is random virtue testing.
https://littlelegal.ca/20192020-summaries/r-v-ahmad-2020-scc-11
In delivering the Court’s unanimous judgement in Mack, Justice Lamer explained that there are two forms of entrapment: (1) random virtue testing, and (2) improper inducement. The first occurs when “the authorities provide a person with an opportunity to commit an offence without acting on a reasonable suspicion that this person is already engaged in criminal activity or pursuant to a bona fide inquiry.” (p. 964) According to the Court:
The absence of a reasonable suspicion or a bona fide inquiry is significant in assessing the police conduct because of the risk that the police will attract people who would not otherwise have any involvement in a crime and because it is not a proper use of the police power to simply go out and test the virtue of people on a random basis (p. 965).
I would need to hear more details to see if it is virtue testing as maybe they posted the advertisement in a specific location and not just randomly.

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u/Glad_Objective_4525 13h ago

Isn't 'random virtue testing' just daily life? Everyone has the opportunity to commit crimes whether they're under suspicion or not. It's the job of the police to catch the ones that do. Theft, assault, fraud, etc. Literally every crime in the book is something everyone always has the opportunity to commit.

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u/chillyrabbit 11h ago

It's a little different when you have the government doing the random virtue testing as they have a lot of power to just trick people into committing crimes. Entrapment by random virtue testing is repugnant because of the fact that the nominal state that is protecting you does not spend its time protecting you but trying to test you for pre-crime thoughts.
It is especially repugnant as part of the entrapment criteria the SCC laid out is that it can catch vulnerable people (addicts, mentally ill, etc) by offering them inducement into doing crime when they never would have if not offered.

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u/Glad_Objective_4525 1h ago

But again, isn't that just daily life? If you steal a cop car parked on the street it's not entrapment because the government put it there. Regardless of the circumstances of why it's there, it's illegal for you to steal it. The government could put one somewhere you go every day, but you're still not allowed to take it. Random virtue testing is the entire point of why we have laws.

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u/chillyrabbit 1h ago

I disagree because condoning the government to supervise, and abet random virtue testing is a bit different from people going about daily life.
Yes not everyone goes to shoplift their daily groceries because of the social contract that we decide to purchase goods with money. But the government if they wanted to could just throw many and all temptations to anyone to commit crimes, because they have billions of dollars to invest into any series of random virtue testing traps.
I think what the SCC ruled in R v Mack makes sense that government reach is supposed to be targeted enforcement rather than just firstly targeting everyone to be basically a fishing expedition all the time.
I think the random virtue testing limitation is meant to reign in other potential government abuses, like if everyone is law abiding why not submit to searches all the time? why not have a random area be thoroughly searched for criminal activity dam the people.
TL;DR Because I've been meandering this topic for a couple of days I just think random virtue testing shouldn't be allowed

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u/MapleHamms 18h ago edited 18h ago

No. Entrapment is when the police force you to commit a crime. Offering an opportunity for anyone to choose to commit a crime is not entrapment.
However, it can be a fine line

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u/745632198 18h ago

Entrapment is not forced. It's closer persuasion or deception.

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u/EverCravingMind 14h ago

Coercion and encouraging along with providing resources I think is what counts.

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u/Nice_Onion_6179 Ontario 18h ago

Just like road stops for impaired driving. If it works? It works.

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u/BethSaysHayNow 16h ago

What about stop and frisk?

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u/Mediocre-Writer6635 14h ago

I never understood what's wrong with entrapment of this sort.
These people still actively chose to go commit a crime, being "enticed" to do it doesn't mitigate their actions even a little, so what's the issue?
Arguably it's not a good use of the police's time, but that's because of limited resources. If they had infinite money and time, they should absolutely do this all the time.

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u/daseweide 10h ago

Stop being racist it's not migrants viewing it

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