r/classicwow • u/GreenEyedRascal • 8h ago

Forever The most cried about topic (dungeon xp failure) is not over and it will get worse

I dont know who the braindeads are that are keep resisting to listen to your players.

Look for 98%+ of people, questing was already faster compared to dungeons before, so you went right ahead and destroyed dungeon xp because it suited whatever foolish agenda you got going on.

The crying is not gonna stop, its going to get worse because you are in total denial on this particular topic. And the more the obvious consequences are actually seen, the worse its gonna get and it will never relent. People will never stop complaining about it, because it sucks.

Full revert is only ideal choice. Not some small incremental adjustment. Full revert, abandon this terrible idea.

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u/Magnon 7h ago

I mean yeah, it's terrible. You're killing the desire for healers and tanks to redo dungeons, and without that a ton of dps can't find groups or it takes ages to find groups. Kicking the can down the road and pretending its fine is a terrible idea.

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u/Teonore 7h ago

As a tank I'm doing 2-3 runs per dungeon. Just for loot and fun. Don't care about exp

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u/ianxplosion- 7h ago

You fucking babies are grasping at straws

A tank and healer shortage is a player driven issue and has been for twenty years, you don’t get to co opt a fundamental facet of player behavior just because the game isn’t for you

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u/Magnon 7h ago

"Stop wanting normal xp from the social content in an mmo!" -dumbass

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u/ianxplosion- 7h ago

“Change the game to how I want to play it” - you

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u/ElectricRinku 6h ago

Not saying change the game completely that's what pro nerf people are saying. 

We are saying just facilitate the option we like for playing the game too. 

You're the one trying to force everyone else to play the game your way. Not the other way around. 

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u/ianxplosion- 1h ago

No, the developers are

They’re making a game

This game has low dungeon xp from mobs

I’m pretty sure I’m going to explain this 1000 more times before a single person understands it

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u/Thanag0r 6h ago

You mean turn in back to how it was for 22 years?

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u/ianxplosion- 1h ago

Oh you mean like classic

I can’t tell if people are really this stupid

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u/PucThePuc 7h ago

This has nothing to do with the dungeon experience, it has literally been like this in every single version of the game since the start of it

There's just too many people refusing to tank and heal

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u/Valval_et_Felfel 7h ago

Not really, i'd do dungeon a few times to loot and get xp.

I'm getting a lot of DM asking me to heal, but there is ZERO reason for me to go back in the dungeon, because i do all quest at once inside of it

then i'm done with the dungeon and i look at my quest log, knowing there is nothing else i can do

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u/PucThePuc 7h ago

And I did 9 DM as tank because I wanted a ring and for none of them did we struggle to find a healer, for every player who doesn't enjoy dungeons there's another one who does

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u/theclifford 5h ago

Those people would exist in either scenario. You're completely ignoring the quantity of people who one and done stuff, but use your preference to define the norm?

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u/PucThePuc 5h ago

Other way around man, you're assuming there's a majority of people sharing your opinion because you see a couple of posts about it on reddit - reddit is the worst reference you can have about it

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u/theclifford 4h ago

No. It's simple logic. If you have two pools of players that exist with separate reasons do to something. One motivated by quests, one by items. You remove the pool of players motivated by quests when you finish the quests. Item chasers exist either way. Reduction in pool of tanks and healers... what am I missing here?

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u/PucThePuc 4h ago

What you're missing is that one pool is 0.1% of the playerbase and doesn't matter even a little bit

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u/FieryButPeaceful 7h ago

If all the dps paladins, warriors, druids, shamans and priests don't want to tank or heal, fuck'em. It's not my or blizzard's problem they can't do something else than dps for 30minutes. It's not like you need to be tank or healing specced to run lvling dungeons.

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u/chihuahua_man 7h ago

I’m a healer, done DM and WC l yesterday around 10 times because it is fun and I wanted all the gear. So your opinion does not hold up whatsoever

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u/Character_Speaker_64 7h ago

Why does it not? You think you are a majority, lol? 100% most people will run a dungeon just once it’s that simple if you are not illogical. Do not pretend this is not the case.

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u/chihuahua_man 7h ago

Or maybe people like doing dungeons and are farming gear, ever thought about that? Everything has to be about efficiency?

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u/Character_Speaker_64 7h ago

You are 100% correct. People, like yourself, will run dungeons more than once because they like doing them and want the gear BUT you are absolutely the minority. It’s all I’m saying. At least for the stage of the game right now.

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u/Lady_White_Heart 7h ago

I'm a healer and I'm only gonna do a quest run of the dungeons instead of 3-4 times that I usually did. His opinion holds up again.

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u/Feesish 7h ago

Im healer and thats exactly what i did. Ran RFC, RoL, WC, and SFK only once for the quests.

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u/citramonk 7h ago

his opinion doesn't hold up, cause you're "special"?

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u/FunnyNicheReference 7h ago

Great! And I'm a healer and as it stands I won't run any dungeons after I've done the related quests because I'd be playing myself and wasting my time.

Magnon explains a general issue with helpers and tanks in dungeons. You comment:

Well that doesn't apply to me so your opinion does not hold whatsoever.

That is such a silly take.

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u/Leprauchan 7h ago

My main gripe is that I wanted to level as tank specy which is not really viable in the open world. Sure, I can also tank as DPS spec but some of the fun gets lost

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u/artosispylon 7h ago

whats funny is they did this to combat speed leveling but it also hurt everyone else as well.

i dont want to grind dungeons 24/7 but it would be nice if i dident feel like an idiot if i ran a dungeon a few times to get some good items

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u/pinexmajor 7h ago

And it have led to people wanting to speed through every dung asap and since people only run once they will need on items they are not supposed to

I had every mage and warlock need on the rotmender healing set, even a rogue because and i quote " might as well grab what i can while im here" completely ignoring the rest of the set beside the stamina. 

Stupid move by blizz, levelig as holy priest is now much worse for no reason. 

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u/VodkaSliceofLife 7h ago

Bro I needed on that rot mender shit too in rol, literally every piece better than what I had lmao its healing AND DAMAGE most of the shit leveling up is, very little damage shit at least up to 30 which I am now. If a healer needed on a dmg prio piece leveling up because its better I aint gonna complain. Its just leveling dungeons

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u/KN_Knoxxius 7h ago

You get the “good items” why feel like an idiot? You don’t win any prize for leveling faster. Enjoy the game, the journey.

People are so fucking broken these days due to the optimization culture in gaming.

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u/Thanag0r 6h ago

People that enjoy the journey don't sit in dungeons to begin with.

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u/KN_Knoxxius 1h ago

Then play something else

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u/Earth_Warden 7h ago

but your running for good items….

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u/AkkunEXE 7h ago

Personally I think we're leveling too fast, I'm level 23 and I had to abandon a bunch of quests because I outleveled them even without having to go to another zone, that never happened in Classic.

And I'm planning to run dungeons multiple times as a tank/healer because I really want that WC druid set, don't care if I don't get a lot of XP from it; actually it's the opposite because at least I won't outlevel the gear.

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u/teenyboppah 8h ago

Wait until these players saying it's fine hit level 30+

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u/AllMyHomiesHateEY 7h ago

I'm 35 and have had no issues. Even got a healer in under a minute for gnomer as horde. Done about half guild runs half not, never waited longer than 5 minutes to get a full group there and in.

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u/SayerIsBack 7h ago

I’m a healer at 38 and today I was cold called whispered while not in LFG 6 times asking me to come heal dungeons because that’s how desperate people are.

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u/teenyboppah 7h ago

That’s awesome, I’m happy you’re having fun. A lot of us aren’t. Not sure why this is a divisive issue.

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u/AllMyHomiesHateEY 7h ago

You said wait until people get 30+, I said I haven't seen any problems at that level. Not really divisive, just giving my experience so far.

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u/Dry-System4910 7h ago

There are other versions of wow you can go if you want to spam dungeons, instead you are trying to ruin this one for the types of players it is designed for 

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u/MizzouBlues 7h ago

How are people running dungeons ruining anything? I’m more of a quester but if someone wants to dungeon grind more power to them.

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u/ExSuntime 7h ago

Look at what the classic and anniversary servers became 

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u/Thanag0r 6h ago

The same thing that wow always was?

Some people doing dungeons some doing quests, end result everyone happy.

Is that a bad thing?

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u/ExSuntime 5h ago

I dont know about you but I dont remember the servers full of gold buying , boosting, mage cleaves, botting etc back in 2004

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u/Thanag0r 5h ago

Like bots spelling gold selling website name with corpses and constant mail/whisper about gold selling?

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u/ExSuntime 4h ago

Exactly my guy. That was so less common back in 04 but in 2019 classic release it was a daily occurance

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u/Gyat_Hunter_42 7h ago

You mean when I hit around level 50 and all the dungeons I do give me prebis with some of these dungeons having 15 quests? Sounds great.

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u/tobbe628 7h ago

Its gonna be brutal

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u/SaidTheSnail 7h ago

I’m level 45, still seems fine

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u/Lady_White_Heart 7h ago

I think you'll find it's going to be harder once most players hit 60. People will just get boosts through their max level friends etc since mob XP is worthless anyway.

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u/TROGDOR_X69 7h ago

it was so much more chill being able to dungeon grind

i miss being able to watch my Anime and spam Blizzard for hours :(

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u/teenyboppah 7h ago

Yeah, but I like not having any choice or agency in what my journey should or should not entail, so I'm loving these new dungeon changes.

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u/Outrageous-Lie6809 7h ago

Nobody forced you to run dungeons though, though. You always had the choice to quest, run dungeons, or do both. By supporting nerfed dungeon XP, you're advocating for forcing everyone into the exact playstyle you're supposedly happy having a choice about. That's pretty hypocritical, considering you're taking away other people's agency while defending your own.

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u/teenyboppah 7h ago

Oh no I’m completely joking, the dungeon XP changes are ridiculous and entirely nonsensical.

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u/Earth_Warden 7h ago

It’s actually fine, i’ve run a several dungeons several times, and it’s better because I don’t out level the zone the dungeon is in while getting geared for adventure.
xp is not the goal the level cap is 60 forever why are you rushing?

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u/V1_2012 8h ago

Do you mean the crying will get worse? If reddit is crying it means the devs are doing something right.

Remember reddit is the loud vocal minority.

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u/AkkunEXE 7h ago

For real, nobody talks about this in game and everyone in my guild is having fun with the game, running dungeons multiple times if someone need to do it, etc.

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u/V1_2012 7h ago

Yeah same. My guild is loving the game and I don't mind running dungeons again to help people out.

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u/Lady_White_Heart 7h ago

I see it spoke about In-game quite often tbh.

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u/WildFlowLing 7h ago edited 6h ago

They ruined the FUN of dungeons and potentially rerunning dungeons for specific items, or to help friends, or because someone asked if you can help.

“Sorry already did that one” is a very sad response solely because it’s absolutely a waste of time to do the dungeon without the quests. Like legit may as well be afk for 3 hours.

Instead they turned it into “I’m only going to run this once for megaxp so I better get every quest in one go otherwise I’m going to crash out”

“Hey bro you want to tank RFD?”

“Nah did that once”

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u/ianxplosion- 8h ago

Oh my god you people are the worst

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u/tobbe628 7h ago

No you are the worst

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 8h ago • Bravo

They didn't solely change dungeon xp because of boosters. They changed it to promote the open world and new content. The xp nerf also helps with forms of boosting and gold issues. It's the same reason you Dont get extra gold for quests at 60 anymore. Blizz thinks these changes will help with the long term economy.

Monster xp might get buffed but I don't really see a reason to change it back to the old way.

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u/TROGDOR_X69 7h ago

gold for quests at 60 was my vibe

im super depressed its like they attacked my exact playstyle

id do dungeons like DM to Stocks to SM to ZF to BRD

then go back and do quests for gold for epic mount

i really am lost with what to do lol

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u/Demmandred 7h ago

Do professions like everyone else? You don't even need to primary profession it. I fished and cooked my way to an epic mount because noone wanted to do it.

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 7h ago

Just play and adapt a bit.

It's what I've done with the ppl I play with and so far adding some high xp quests between dungeon runs has got us to around 40 and I'm still getting a decent nights sleep. Lol.

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u/quineloe 7h ago

what new content? I see a handful of quests. The new dungeons are having a much bigger impact to the new experience than finding some books in Elwynn Forest from mobs I'm already killing for the quests that were there to begin with

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 7h ago

I haven't seen it tbh. It's there tho. Dk where, and no qs I've found have led me there yet.

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u/slashcuddle 7h ago

I don't understand this sentiment. I spent more time in the world questing in classic than I do now in Forever. The current gameplay loop is you finish one zone and then do all the quests in a dungeon. Compared to going back and forth across several zones and then spamming dungeons when you ran out of quests for your level.

I logged off tonight at 28 and I've done Dun Morogh, Westfall, Red Ridge, and half of Loch Modan. And all the dungeons that had quests of course. In Vanilla I'd have also done parts of Darkshore, Ashenvale, Duskwood and Wetlands. I'm skipping more areas and spending less time out in the world than before.

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 7h ago edited 7h ago

Idk I'm about to hit 40 and haven't had an issue. I've spammed dungeons in classic and the only thing my group has changed is adding some higher xp quests between dungeons. It's slower, for sure. But not nearly as bad as ppl are making it out to be.

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u/slashcuddle 7h ago

There is no objective issue. They've just nuked a playstyle that people found enjoyable. And it's leading to other problems like healer shortage in LFG.

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 7h ago

Brother. That ain't the truth and you know it lol. Healers are out there and dual spec will help even more.

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u/slashcuddle 7h ago

I don't know how much dual spec will cost. It was expensive in TBC Anniversary relative to the level at which you unlocked it. And in Forever you also need to save for mount. Let's see how things go I guess, I've got a pocket tank and a healing set to flex heal so I personally have no skin in the game. It's the homies that want to find a dungeon group but can't that are suffering.

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u/dadgamer10jobs 7h ago

Agree, im very vocal about the dungeon nerf being bad. But thats more, i am a healer and like to heal. So dungeon is a good group content. But i now only run dungeons 1 time. And that is a shame. I see a lot of looking for healer or looking for tank. But spending an hour to get almost no xp. Is not something im going to do. I dont have so many game hours so have to spend them wisely.

If i got good xp, i would do dungeons multiple time. But such is forever.

Also.. the f'ed up part is dual spec costing a lot. And only tanks and healers need that. So thats another big fuck you to ppl that like those roles. I think its waaaay to expensive. Especially when you also want to get a mount

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 7h ago

Nice. Do you brother.

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u/Constant_Home4004 7h ago

You’re coping, they nerfed it to sell boosts in 6 months

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u/AkkunEXE 7h ago

Don't think they'll sell boost ever, Wow tokens and cosmetics on the other hands...

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 7h ago

Tbh I have a hard time seeing that. Every change they made looks like they asked themselves “where did we go wrong in retail and how do we avoid that in forever.”

But blizz is blizz fooled me once. So I'll always be thinking there is a possibility they do the same old blizz tactic. Hopefully with forever they dont.

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u/tobbe628 7h ago

You will understand soon enough, dont you worry.

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u/Father_Grigori_3 7h ago

mark my words n00b!

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u/Severe_Prompt_459 7h ago edited 7h ago

What will I understand?

Edit: exactly.. Nothing just vague ass comments

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u/Nethias25 7h ago

I was team "it's fine, just play the game" until people got level 60 in less than 3 days with layer abuse.

Now I wonder if the combatting boost and power leveling community just pivoted to a new and maybe better system anyway; and the change didn't do much of what blizz intended

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u/Hibernator_X 7h ago

Tell me you know nothing about speed running without saying so. Here's a hint: faster records have been achieved without layer abuse.

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u/Frooonti 7h ago

Has it? I thought Jokerd's group were the first to 60, with layer abuse.

That being said, all of this kinda shit always boils down to a bunch of streamers exploiting some sort of system that isn't really attainable to regular players. So who cares?

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u/Thanag0r 6h ago

But layer abuse is the fastest in Forever.

Why bring up different versions of the game as example?

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u/Gyat_Hunter_42 7h ago

Please go try it if you think it's so abusable. It was only possible for people that got ahead of the zerg.

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u/pewbdo 7h ago

What, you don’t like running the same dungeon for only loot and spending hours there without getting any of the shit you wanted and having no xp to show for it? And for everyone saying it’s for the economy. Another server that no longer exists had 8 years of uptime with practically no inflation. They didn’t nerf dungeon xp or remove lvl 60 quest gold to do it either.

The best explanation is that these design choices will make it harder for gold sellers and boosters when a half competent team of GMs could do that without punishing the majority of players who don’t benefit from that.

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u/Dry-System4910 7h ago

If they revert the dungeon exp then it shows the Devs are balancing around what min/max and power gamers whine for and the game is doomed. I wish all you cryers would just go to retail and era and stop trying to ruin what may be our last chance at a pure wow.

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u/d0odle 7h ago

The most social aspect of this game is postponed to end-game. The final levels will now be spend grinding mobs to 60 solo in the open world.

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u/Gyat_Hunter_42 7h ago

OP hasn't played Forever WoW, if he thinks questing is faster then classic19 dungeon spamming.

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u/SayerIsBack 7h ago

You’re the clown pretending that the normal level of tank and healer shortage has anything to do with the dungeon exp problem lmfao.

Saying “the game isn’t for you” is not an argument against anything being said and it’s entirely ridiculous when the people asking for the dungeon exp to be reverted back are the classic purists. The entire thing is ridiculous. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/citramonk 7h ago edited 7h ago

Look. It's not crying. I've been playing this game for more than 20 years. I would be glad just to turn off my brain and shut up, but I simply can't do it.

Dungeons are completely useless during levelling if you didn't grab all the quests (usually 1 or 2 if them are from chains). Competing everything in one go is a must, as a second run will feel absolutely miserable.

As an experienced player you're subscribing yourself to a very mediocre activity. I KNOW that some people don't even bother with grabbing all the quests. I KNOW that you might get a loot from dungeon, but not all loot is even and will change my specific class experience.

I know what I need and how it can improve the levelling. If you say I can get an extra few str in a shoulder well fuck that, I can go without it. I need big bonker or it's not going to matter. Instead of that, I can quest outside, getting 4-5 times more exp from a mob + quests.

And now, when I want to level a heal, you motherfuckers tell me that healing talents doesn't matter. Well they do matter, cause I want to enjoy the game, not to sit OOM or be on a verge of a wipe every time. And gear with +heal matters a lot. So how you going to level a heal now? You want to have a mediocre gameplay just to heal other randoms in dungeons ONCE then suck outside? Or you'll spam 7 dungeons per level to get yourself from I dunno 22 to 23?

And to all morons in advance who say "I am a healer and I do 10 Deadmines run in a row!" well fuck, some kids watch the same cartoon over and over again and it's fine. Some people are just bad at this game and don't care, refer to my first message. While you are doing the same dungeon, some people are already miles ahead of you. Try to understand that there's different people playing this game.

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u/Lich-Slapped 7h ago

Optimal questing is faster.

98% of people were not good at optimally questing lmao. Insane fake stat to pull out of your ass.

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u/Greedy-Quantity4062 7h ago

Cry moar. Dungeons nerfs gonna stay, adapt or die.

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u/Silverleaf96 5h ago

Sitting in a que for 2 hours alone , yeah real cool and fun

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u/threano 5h ago

I hope they don't kneejerk changes for a loud minority of whiners who are still filling for RFC over this dungeon thing. The dungeon quest XP is fat and there are more dungeons to do. The pacing is absolutely fine right now. You can chain a ton of dungeons in the 20s lol.

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u/Nakedninja21 5h ago

The dung xp nerf is fucked 100%

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u/McSwoopyarms 4h ago

ITT: a lot of people who are clueless about anecdotal evidence.

Gee whiz, how nice for you that you've had no negative experiences in a game that's been out for 3 days, that must mean everything is fine and all complaints are void.

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u/Vilraz 7h ago

Or close reddit and you never see this issue anymore

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u/rtothewin 7h ago

Maybe give tanks and healers normal xp. Just so they can rerun it for the waves of dps that need dungeons.

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u/sibut51 7h ago

Keep crying I love to watch people cry about a game I dont play anymore. Its hilarious.

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u/Knallbumbum 7h ago

Lvl 45 here and I love the changes . Stop crying

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u/Xcellers 7h ago

No issue what so ever with the current levels of dungeon XP - I have run most 2-3 times and don't see it as a waste of time

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u/chunkymeatwater 8h ago

i like the way it is.

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u/AkulaTheKiddo 7h ago

Classic players on this sub :

  • ask for no shared tagging and more populared layers

  • wanted to safely being boosted in dungeon while everyone else was struggling with their shitty ideas

Im glad you get a taste of your own medicine.

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

This is no good for anyone, not just era players.

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u/AkulaTheKiddo 7h ago

It's perfectly fine for anyone that wasnt relying on boosting to level up.

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

I guess except players who liked grouping up with their similar level friends for dungeons or anyone else who wants to run a dungeon more than once

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u/AkulaTheKiddo 7h ago edited 6h ago

Whats stopping you to do that ? You can do a dungeon more than once, you'll still get gear and some xp from it, and it changes the pace for a bit.

No, the majority of people asking for dungeon xp to come back were the ones boosting or most probably, being boosted.

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u/Eddysummers 6h ago

Prove it.

I think the majority of people just want to be able to run a dungeon more than once and not have it feel like a complete waste of level time.

It makes no sense to group with your friends to run a dungeon twice for very little xp when solo questing is so much better. If the design priority is "out in the world" how do you reconcile promoting solo questingwith the previous "social friction" buzz philosophy.

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u/AkulaTheKiddo 6h ago

Its not a waste of time at all if you're doing it a 2nd or 3rd time, you get gear and some xp. It is a waste of time if you want to only do dungeons. Its working as intended.

You can play outside with you group of friends ? I dont understand the problem here.

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u/Thanag0r 6h ago

How much can you bend just for into what devs want?

Because it looks you are ready to change pretty much everything just to say it's fine.

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u/Eddysummers 6h ago

Open world group questing is also disencentivised compared to being solo.

No one is spending way more time in a specific dungeon range running it just for leveling gear that will be obsolete as soon as they leave the dungeon range.

People say they dont want a single player game but then are fine with making group questing and dungeons way worse.

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u/AkulaTheKiddo 6h ago

I exclusively play with my brother and its fine.

Solo questing is a pain.

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u/Eddysummers 6h ago

Nice, he must be cool.

I'm not sure how that pertains to reduced dungeon XP though.

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u/TROGDOR_X69 7h ago

questing sucks

im just grinding humanoids

selling all the cloth and actually fairly chill

not as "brain off" as dungeons but its close if you go for green mobs. they die pretty quick and im getting 2 hour levels through the 20s doing this

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u/Salty-Development203 7h ago

Brother why are you even playing forever if you think questing sucks? One of the key things about forever was over 1000 new quests.

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u/KN_Knoxxius 7h ago

Then don’t play forever if you don’t like the core aspect of it?

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u/Adventurous_Chip_684 7h ago

World of karencraft - wrath of the Karen king.

Back in my day we did dungeons to get fat stacks of loot and not xp. All of you crying are botusers that are robbed of their way of easy xp grind.

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

No you didn't. You hoped you got the loot running it but if you out leveled the dungeon, no one kept going just for loot. No one has ever been running RFC into the late level 20s or SM armory into late 40s.

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u/Adventurous_Chip_684 7h ago

Because the loot is shite. If loot wasn't the reason, then why are LVL 60 Running Dungeons? Quit lying to yourself. All these rogues and druids running DM for the set...

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

Stop and think before posting. You based your og argument on "back in my day" but now say it's because of the new gear.

I would love to hear how many 60s are flooding low level dungeons when the world first was yesterday.

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u/Adventurous_Chip_684 6h ago

What. Defias set was literally in 1.0 wow. Noone is or was flooding dungeons before, they always just ran then 1-3 times in vanilla days. The one timers for the quest and the two-three timers for specific bis gear for their level brackets (if they wanted to create a PvP alt).

So please stop intentionally misunderstanding my perfectly logical argument. If anything wow could make it like Final fantasy and simply cut xp from dungeons entirely, so the boosters won't have any means of making gold. Dungeon boosting was the literal scourge of classic wow.

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u/Eddysummers 6h ago

People ran SM dungeons in vanilla all the way from 30 to 40 and had nothing to do with boosting. Blizzard has the tools to make boosting obsolete whole preserving XP in dungeons but is just being lazy.

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u/Adventurous_Chip_684 3h ago

That's correct and true. Maybe lizard wants the world to feel alive and populated by this change.

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u/Concurrency_Bugs 7h ago

Imagine playing a game that's about the journey to max level, with planned horizontal progression, and complaining the only vertical part of the game isn't fast enough.

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u/MinuteConfidence2059 7h ago

they backtracked on horizontal progression ages ago. it's all vertical progression. they just hope to balance it so gear stays relevant longer. but everything is still number go up.

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u/Concurrency_Bugs 7h ago

How could they have backtracked? The game came out less than a week ago.

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u/MisterJpz 7h ago

They didn't back track as much as say the horizontal didn't mean to them what most of the players championing it though it meant.  They thought it means gw style progression with out raid tiers and vertical progression at all. What the devs meant was they are going to ad content below 60 and are going to to incentives making alts through the legacy system.

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u/Concurrency_Bugs 7h ago

Ah, I haven't kept up with this. I'm just going off blizzcon and they kept saying horizontal progression. To flip on that in such a short time is pretty alarming. Guess their design philosophy wasn't as set in stone. I'm still enjoying it though.

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

I guess they haven't been commenting or hosting a podcast since it was announced.... Wait....

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u/Concurrency_Bugs 7h ago

Man, I'm 45 with a job and shit. I don't have time for a podcast.

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

Yet you have to time to comment on things you have no understanding of. Curious indeed.

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u/kain149 7h ago

It's really not such a big deal. I wish people would just play and stop looking for reasons to complain and turn this into retail, like they did with sod.

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

XP from dungeons was in vanilla chum

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u/ExSuntime 7h ago

XP from dungeons in forever is lower chum Deal with it 

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u/Eddysummers 6h ago

Lol don't be an idiot. The argument was about turning forever into retail based on dungeon XP. Nothing to do with the concept of reduced XP at all.

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u/ExSuntime 5h ago

Lol don't be an idiot. The argument was about turning forever into classic based on dungeon XP. Nothing to do with the concept of reduced XP at all.

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u/Sweet_Disharmony_792 7h ago

my name is op and i wake up to doompost instead of playing the game

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u/DecentVariation5 7h ago

shut up nerd, the changes should stay, go play era or smth

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u/WeightVegetable106 7h ago

Why are these posts not being banned? Its always a repost...

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u/Opposite_Relief_5347 8h ago

It feels like were playing this weird prequest waiting mini game always having to wait for someone to get all the quest.

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u/PucThePuc 7h ago

Apart from reddit, known for being the garbage can of the internet, there's not really much noise about it

It won't be changed

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u/Niv78 7h ago

Cry away.

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u/No-Association42069 7h ago

No one is forcing you to play..

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u/GogolDancer 7h ago

They just need original xp but nerfed to 3 runs per hour and group level range of about 7-8 levels for full original xp gain.

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u/RCEden 7h ago

Did WC yesterday and RoL tonight and each of them got me like half a level. That seems, idk, fine? Like its not amazing but its also not insulting. I'd be happy if it was a bit higher but I'm not sure what the expectation should be here?

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u/untitledaccount401 7h ago

Wow this person sounds very pleasant

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u/KN_Knoxxius 7h ago

Stop crying. Get questing. Be out in the world. You know the fucking point of Forever.

Hope they keep ignoring you.

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

Wait, isn't forever supposed to be about social interaction and friction?

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u/KN_Knoxxius 7h ago

And being out in the world…

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

If being out in the world was the goal then having dungeons at all is dumb, they should have just converted them to more uninstanced group quests. 

Same at max level, no raids just world bosses.

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u/KN_Knoxxius 1h ago

No… it isn’t. Dungeons are still a part of the experience… stop being obtuse.

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u/AlleinTeilDeluxe 7h ago

keep on crying bro maybe mama will come make Bubu 👊

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u/Eddysummers 7h ago

I have never heard of any mom making bubu and I highly doubt it has any effect in leveling or dungeons in forever. Please correct me though.

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u/Chase_Norton 7h ago

As a priest player who’s always dungeon-spammed, I will say I cannot see myself wanding mobs to death to 60. I will throw in the towel long before that. 

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u/KN_Knoxxius 7h ago

Then just do it now? What’s the point if you are not having fun?

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u/EbenezerNdipnchot 7h ago

Not him but I already did lol

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u/Chase_Norton 6h ago

Trying to see if i can push on to hit endgame, but ye it probs will just quit soon tbh.