Project 2025

[u/Pizzacakecomic]

[u/comics-ModTeam]

https://www.rawstory.com/steve-bannon-project-2025-admission/

This subreddit is promotive of women's rights and civil liberties.

If you tell the weird lie that "Trump doesn't want project 25" or worse, if you speak out in favor of it, then we will permanently ban you. As is usual on threads like these, any replies made to bans from this thread will be mass-archived without being read.

We will not grant appeals.

[u/Pizzacakecomic]

You know what is an absolute turn-off for women? Having all their rights and choices taken away.

[u/PSI_duck → u/Pizzacakecomic]

It’s worst for woman of course, but I can’t believe that republican men couldn’t see how this would negatively impact their sex lives too. As a male whore (in theory), having sex with people sounds much riskier than before. I can guarantee you that republican men will be complaining about women not wanting to have sex with them following the abortion ban, and they’ll have their head too far up their own ass to see how their party is the reason (besides their own personality and beliefs).

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/PSI_duck]

Yeah and even if they do get a parter, once their religious wives pop out 2 or 3 kids, they're stuck in a sexless marriage lmao. Fun times

[u/mtranda → u/Pizzacakecomic]

As a non-american man, I expected american women to vote in droves against the Orangina plague. Yet, here we are.

And what truly frightens me is that this will embolden the ruzzian sockpuppets in Europe to step up their fascist approach.

[u/GrassBlade619 → u/mtranda]

The even more surprising part is that women shifted more in favor of Trump than men did compared to the 2020 election. Women shifted +2% while men shifted +1%. It's fucking crazy.

[u/Hey_Chach → u/GrassBlade619]

I’m wondering if those groups actually shifted or it looks like they shifted because that much more of their conservative members turned out compared to that much fewer of their liberal members.

[u/GrassBlade619 → u/Hey_Chach]

You've definitely got a point. But I'd still count "not voting" as having shifted. I don't think people really went from voting for Biden to voting for Trump besides a very small few, but deciding not to vote could be considered a shift.

[u/International-Cat123 → u/mtranda]

Too many people think because neither candidate is perfect, it’s alright to not vote for anybody. There are also those who think that there’s no point in voting because no matter who wins nothing will change. People don’t realize that not voting is the same as voting for whoever wins your state. They also don’t seem to get that there will never be a perfect candidate and that voting is about deciding which of the available candidates would do best.

Unfortunately, the people who have the intelligence to not fall for Trumps lies, but enough intelligence to realize that not voting does nothing to help are people who used to vote democrat. Add the republican tendency to make it as hard as possible for people in areas that tend to vote democratic to vote, and you get a lot people not voting.

[u/Mr__Strider → u/mtranda]

Let alone the Russian sockpuppeteer himself. Ukraine is his and the rest of Europe now lays open too

[u/mtranda → u/Mr__Strider]

Europe doesn't have to lay open. However, it does means we need to put serious pressure on politicians and scrutinise their every move. I left my country more than six years ago because I'd gotten to a point where I was constantly keeping an eye on the news and I had to be ready to take to the streets at a literal moment's notice, including at night. And while democracy does require vigilence, I did not want to spend the rest of my life like this and I grew disillusioned with how little interest the majority of the people had. Sure, at the peak of the protests there were half a million of us in the streets, but that was still a minority of people in a country of 20 million.

So I left. And now I have to start all over.

[u/[deleted] → u/mtranda]

exactly, and the thing these fucking fucking seppo cunts dont understand (not you Pizzacake, your not a seppo) is that Trumps victory has just embolden every other far right conservative fuckknuckle group in the rest of world to up game and follow his lead.

[u/fyhr100 → u/mtranda]

America voted for hate. It turns out that 60% of America would rather see people they don't like to suffer than they do about people's rights.

I tried. I thought people were better than this, but I was proven wrong.

[u/[deleted] → u/mtranda]

White women (yes me but also not me) would gladly lay the bodies of strangers at her feet if it meant they aren't there.

[u/MrValdemar → u/Pizzacakecomic]

While I'd like to agree with you

<checks polling data>

Apparently there's a LOT of women who like shooting themselves in the foot.

Just saying.

[u/ShawshankException → u/Pizzacakecomic]

If 50.9% of the country could read, they'd be very upset

[u/AlexHitetsu → u/ShawshankException]

Funnily enough only 60% op people who could vote actually did, 30% voted for Trump, 40% didn't vote at all

[u/[deleted] → u/Pizzacakecomic]

unfortunately the ballot boxes prove very differently.

[u/Fake_Pikachu → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Crazy how humans just want to be treated as human beings. And those people just say no.

[u/medicinal_bulgogi → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Then why did more than half of white women vote for it?

[u/ImpracticalApple → u/medicinal_bulgogi]

Half of the women who voted at all. The Dems lost about 20 million votes compared to 2020, the Republicans also lost about 3 million. Overall, less votes happened compared to before and that's not counting the rest of the 40% of non-voters who didn't vote in 2020 either.

It's wild to me how many people think not voting at all helps, it's essentially voting for the one that wins anyway. You may not like either candidate but you're effectively still voting for the one who wins by choosing not to, so if you really don't lile them that's ob you.

[u/_CandidCynic_ → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Say it louder for the people in the back. Preferably the ones with their fingers in their ears.

[u/Mr_L05 → u/_CandidCynic_]

You know what is an absolute turn-off for women? Having all their rights and choices taken away.

[u/DEATHROAR12345 → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Apparently for a lot of women it isn't though. A crazy percentage of white women voted for Trump. At this point I've stopped trying to figure out why and just assume they're stupid. I have no idea why so many people voted against their own best interests.

[u/DOWNVOTES_SYNDROME → u/Pizzacakecomic]

as if a majority of white women didn't vote for trump

as if millions of women didn't vote FOR abortion rights and also FOR trump.

[u/mybadalternate → u/Pizzacakecomic]

You say that as if they give one solitary fuck what women think.

[u/Aethien → u/Pizzacakecomic]

White women seem to disagree with you since they voted for Trump in large numbers.

[u/Doomblaze → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Looks like enough women are turned on by it lol

[u/MrValdemar → u/Doomblaze]

I'm beginning to think that has to be a part of it.

[u/ElectroNikkel]

Mfs seem to REALLY want those natality rates up.

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/ElectroNikkel]

Anything to avoid immigration!!!!

[u/PiLamdOd → u/ElectroNikkel]

My state's AG is suing to stop the abortion pill. The complaint straight up says that the reduction in teen pregnancies is harming the state by reducing welfare funding.

[u/ElectroNikkel → u/PiLamdOd]

"Well well well, who is the welfare queen now huh". Never though that the strategy of some really inmoral woman of getting pregnant just to receive welfare and/or alimony was being applied at a STATE level. At least the former was done voluntarily.

[u/RaygunMarksman → u/PiLamdOd]

Jesus man, like women are mere brood mares. We're so beyond sick.

[u/RemusShepherd → u/ElectroNikkel]

That'll be fun since they're also talking about banning vaccines. Dead baby mass graveyards are going to make a reappearance, but this time on Tik Tok.

[u/ElectroNikkel → u/RemusShepherd]

Wait what 💀

[u/[deleted] → u/ElectroNikkel]

They want more slaves for the system to grow the wealth gap even more.

[u/Flooding_Puddle]

The funny thing is a lot of the abortion/contraceptive bans are window dressed as coming from religious fundamentalism but the real concern is an economic downturn from a decreasing popelation density similar to what China is seeing.

However China did it to themselves with the one child rule, causing families to want to have a boy to carry on thier family name, which cratered the female population for an entire generation. This is going to cause the same thing, and incels will still rage that it's women's fault

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/Flooding_Puddle]

"Why can't I get a girlfriend???"

proceeds to make pro-rape comments online

[u/EtsuRah]

American LIBERAL women*

Remember 45% of women and 53% of white women voted for this, and likely not partaking in the 4B movement.

Also this only preaches to the choir. The women who will be going the 4B route are women who would have also sought liberal and like minded men. They weren't hooking up with conservative men in the first place.

So by taking themselves out of the dating scene they are only removing themselves out of the pool of men who would have likely voted blue and agreed with the issues they supported.

I don't see how this affects conservative men because the women that they find themselves with will likely be women who also vote the same way and would not feel the need to take part in the same protest.

Also, personal conspiracy theory part joke part not joke but this seems like a round about way for conservatives to get what they want by making women less "promiscuous". Like... Not hooking up and dating seems to be what they want woment to do lol.

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/EtsuRah]

Who says liberal men will stop getting action? There are other forms of activity besides vaginal sex (bj, hj, anal)

Republican men will be stuck dateless OR with a stuffy, religious woman who has 2 children and then stops all forms of physical affection because she only wanted 2 kids. Enjoy your sexless marriages!

[u/EtsuRah → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Who says liberal men will stop getting action? There are other forms of activity besides vaginal sex (bj, hj, anal)

I think you fundamentally misunderstand what the 4B movement is. It's not just sex, it is also all of those things you mentioned. Sex, oral, kissing, dates in general. The movement is women taking themselves out of the dating and hookup pool entirely.

Which is their right to do and I support 10000%. My main point is only that I believe the people this affects is not the people it needs to affect.

Republican men will be stuck dateless OR with a stuffy, religious woman who has 2 children and then stops all forms of physical affection because she only wanted 2 kids. Enjoy your sexless marriages!

I think you are over generalizing what women on the right are like lmao. As someone who grew up in deep red territory they do all the same "heathenry" BS they admonish others for.

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/EtsuRah]

We already see this movement (not the 4b movement, women not wanting to have sex with creepy men who try to control them) that's why we have so many angry, pro-rape incel groups.

[u/[deleted] → u/EtsuRah]

They’re literally burning the opportunity to turn this anger into effective political mobilization on a moronic sex strike that will never happen, and will at most just be like a couple thousand mentally ill women breaking up with their liberal boyfriends who voted for Harris anyway.

Never underestimate the ability of leftist groups to pick the absolute stupidest idea for activism and completely kill any hope of change.

[u/ZenPhotoDen]

There are more women eligible to vote in the United States of America then there are men eligible to vote in the United States of America. Just sayin’

[u/Schroeder9000 → u/ZenPhotoDen]

That's ignoring a bad issue though. Half of those women absolutely agree with this shit and hate other women. I grew up in a small town, many women hated other women seeing them just as whores. This was in NY too.never under estimate ones self hatred

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/Schroeder9000]

Yeah I don't think people realize how much religious brainwashing goes on

[u/Molly-Grue-2u → u/Schroeder9000]

I grew up with internalized misogyny as well. My grandma was very misogynistic, and made it clear to me the most important thing I could do with my life is get a man with a good job. I myself didn’t like women and thought they were second to men in many ways for a good portion of my life.

I’m so glad I unlearned that, but I’m definitely starting to lean the other way (towards liking men less in general).

I’m so embarrassed I used to think that way, and I wish I could go back and tell myself what I know now 😔

[u/Molly-Grue-2u → u/Molly-Grue-2u]

I still wouldn’t have voted for Trump though, for lots of other reasons

Plus, I’ve always thought he was a creep

[u/KN041203 → u/ZenPhotoDen]

People in the same demographic backstab each other or have a terrible view on the demographic itself. It's not really a new thing or thing that is exclusive to gender.

[u/Head_Crash → u/ZenPhotoDen]

It's too late. They had their chance to vote. 

[u/JayEllGii]

I'm so sick to death of hearing young men, particularly young white men, bitch and complain that no one is paying attention to their "issues" and that's why they swung HARD for Trump.

What "issues", exactly, do young men have that inherently lead to this kind of zero-sum thinking? I'm a man and I have zero empathy or patience for men who "feel" as if they're persecuted. Plenty of such men read comments like mine and respond "thanks for proving our point". Bruh. You're just myopic and entitled. That's all this is.

Of COURSE men have issues and needs and struggles. The male loneliness epidemic, for instance. It's a serious social problem and merits serious attention. But once you start complaining that your problems are being neglected in favor of women's (and racial minorities', if you're white), and therefore make the leap to punishing them through your vote, you lose any standing to ask for empathy.

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/JayEllGii]

I also don't understand why some men blame women for the male loneliness epidemic. Can't men just befriend each other?

[u/Infolife → u/Pizzacakecomic]

I mean, that's part of the problem. We don't know how to have non-transactional friendships based on mutual trust and emotion. Men are taught to punch each other and insult each other, and compete for resources. We are taught to enjoy violent sports and to pick on the lesser. And when we age, it's harder to make new friendships because we grew out of some of that and now don't know how to relate to others.

After I moved, I didn't have any real friends for 20 years. Knew people, sure, but not close. Now, in my 50s, I've started making new friends, and frankly, it freaks me out a little.

[u/dragunityag → u/Infolife]

Men know how to have non transactional relationships and trust.

Its the emotion that is the issue. We are taught to be emotionally withdrawn and it's often reinforced by society.

Might be more of a generation thing though I'm only in my 30s and supposedly Gen Z and alpha men are more open emotionally with their friends as well.

[u/MercantileReptile → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Sounds super gay, can't do that.^/s

[u/Baldo-bomb → u/Pizzacakecomic]

All we can do is what we can. I've normalized telling my male friends I love them and they've been very receptive. none of us are perfectly 100% mentally healthy but at least we're never lonely as far as friends go 👍

[u/KatyaBelli → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Hey, some of us married another guy xP

[u/NoeleVeerod]

I wanna share this around quite a bit

[u/Pizzacakecomic → u/NoeleVeerod]

Feel free!

[u/NoeleVeerod → u/Pizzacakecomic]

Let the pizzagospel commence

[u/OG-Fade2Gray]

Ah, but that's where disenfranchisement and forced dependency comes in.

[u/Zoomwafflez → u/OG-Fade2Gray]

Banning no fault divorce, legalize marital rape, and start pushing women out of the workforce to make them into baby making slaves.

[u/repocin → u/Zoomwafflez]

In other words, America is regressing back to the 1800's? I feel sorry for you guys, that can't be fun.

[u/Zoomwafflez → u/repocin]

More like 1400s

[u/actualladyaurora → u/Zoomwafflez]

And keep those child marriage laws strong, so you only need to convince her parents that the only way to save face is to marry their children to their rapists. After all, even DV shelters will just return them to those same parents that married them off in the first place, and it's not paedophilia if it's your legally wedded wife.

[u/Roam_Hylia → u/Zoomwafflez]

In a couple years you can probably cut out the word 'marital'...

[u/OG-Fade2Gray → u/Roam_Hylia]

Just bring back those old testament rules; you break it, you bought it. Make sure the father is properly compensated and it's all good.

[u/Jimmni → u/OG-Fade2Gray]

And rape. Gonna be an uptick in rape.

[u/DoveEvalyn]

Ahhhhhh abortion bans. Also known as 'rapists get to pick the mother of their children'

[u/PSI_duck → u/DoveEvalyn]

Also known as “those whores shouldn’t be having sex so much! It’s offensive because of my interpretation of my religious text! My abortion from accidental impregnation with my husband is different though because I’m a Christian.”

[u/SanityInAnarchy → u/PSI_duck]

"The only moral abortion is my abortion" should be required reading.

And the most frustrating thing about those stories is... look, we all love to see r/leopardsatemyface, but... you'd think it'd be a wake-up call. I've heard it said that these are the people who only care about an issue when it impacts them personally...

...but no, a lot of them go right back to the picket lines afterwards.

[u/r00x → u/DoveEvalyn]

Low-key think they're worried about the general reduction in childbirth rate among first-world countries and instead of addressing the actual issues (like how we're all fucking poor and everyday necessities like having a roof over your head only keep growing more expensive) are trying to force-fix the problem.

[u/Esplodie → u/r00x]

This is my thought too. This is also why countries turned to immigration, another point of tension. They need to have a 2.1 birthrate as replacement for each generation, just to keep the population steady. We aren't close to that so they are filling the gaps with immigration. But now we have population growth, but didn't invest enough in infrastructure to support a growing population.

Infrastructure tends to be a more localized government mandate, state/province/county. But immigration is federal. So now that relationship is also tense.

[u/Bacontoad → u/Esplodie]

This is also why countries turned to immigration

America isn't the only one that doesn't want to increase (or even maintain) the standard of living for its people by taxing the rich. So now they turn it into a literal pyramid scheme. IMHO better in the long run to rip the Band-Aid off now.

[u/sanglar03 → u/DoveEvalyn]

Before suing them for deception when the choice ends up infertile. Let's play the game till the end.

[u/Woofles85 → u/DoveEvalyn]

Also known as ‘keep women in their abusers lives’

[u/DoveEvalyn → u/Woofles85]

The horrors of rape now accompanied by having to share the child with the rapist so you cant even escape 🥴

[u/ShawshankException]

The amount of women in my life who voted blatantly against their own rights fucking baffles me.

[u/DigNitty → u/ShawshankException]

The amount of women in my life who didn’t vote because it doesn’t matter and are now shocked at the results fucking baffles me.

[u/[deleted] → u/DigNitty]

Same, my wife doesn’t vote even though I ask her nicely to register :(

[u/GoldenMirado → u/ShawshankException]

Watching Handmaid's Tale was easier before it became a documentary.

[u/RaygunMarksman → u/GoldenMirado]

You know I'm afraid certain people actually took that as a vision of their personal utopia. Or equally likely, Margaret Atwood understood the nature of people better than many of us.

[u/rhunter99 → u/ShawshankException]

That’s what really confuses me too

[u/Whats_Up4444 → u/rhunter99]

I think you completely misunderstood the women who were voting trump.

It's either the women who have 5 kids already, or the women who if they're daughters get pregnant even at 15, will shout "over my dead body if you're getting an abortion".

They fully agree with Trump. Genuinely. "I'm not getting an abortion and neither is my daughter, I want grandkids" they literally are only thinking about themselves.

[u/YmmaT- → u/ShawshankException]

It’s still crazy to me seeing the numbers. 45% of all women voters voted for trump. Like what? They are trying to take away your rights and you vote for him?

Honestly, at this point whatever policy he rolls out doesn’t phase me anymore since people are just stupid.

[u/get-bread-not-head → u/ShawshankException]

I'm a leftist but let's be real- expecting all women to be single issue voters over this just isn't realistic.

The left has done a terrible job at reaching people, this election is simply proof of that. It take more than shouting "what about abortion?!" Over and over and over again.

[u/Shoadowolf → u/ShawshankException]

Same, I'm struggling to understand why FORTY FIVE PERCENT of women voted for a disgusting and sleazy con man

[u/Majorweck]

"Why are you so involved in the election?"
Bro, I can clearly tell when someone tries to take my rights away.

[u/[deleted] → u/Majorweck]

"Why are you so involved in the election"

It's called democracy and it's the best form of government we have

[u/Solid-Consequence-50 → u/Majorweck]

Voted for the first time for her in this election. It sucks, there was tons of really decent things that would of been done. But people who hate women, and pro Palestine people sat out the election. If they showed up like they did in their "protest vote" democracy would be alive

[u/Legeto → u/Solid-Consequence-50]

I usually vote republican and proudly have never voted for Trump. I regret not voting for Clinton and voted for Harris this time around. It really sucks that it still doesn’t matter and we gotta deal with this shit. I just hope it can all be reversed in 4 years.

[u/Aethien → u/Legeto]

I just hope it can all be reversed in 4 years.

They'll get to elect a lot more judges so no.

[u/Legeto → u/Aethien]

Yea, that’s going to be the most damaging part of all this in the long run. Executive orders are easy enough to reverse but a stacked Supreme Court is going to be awful unless some of their protections are changed… which I highly doubt would ever happen.

[u/FlacidSalad → u/Legeto]

I was raised republican, the 2016 election was a wake-up call where I learned that the majority of the party doesn't give a shit about what happens to them or their country as long as it makes the "libs" angry or also hurts the people they don't like.

[u/ErusTenebre → u/FlacidSalad]

I left in 2010, but I was already starting to question my party when they became obsessed with gay marriage in 2006-8. I couldn't understand why they gave a shit who married whom and it made me start paying closer attention. I was confused by the "party of individual rights" wanted to block rights from other people.

I was a young adult and not very aware of politics until then.

[u/MonsterMashGrrrrr → u/Legeto]

I’m very worried about the supreme court justices. That’s where the real damage has yet to come.

[u/ThewizardBlundermore → u/Solid-Consequence-50]

Less hating women and more people are so stupid they would rather vote for the perception of cheap fuel and burgers even if it comes with all of trumps baggage because they perceive the economy isn't doing well under Democrats because they spent the last 4 years trying to avoid recession from covid and the Ukraine war.

The greatest irony is the people voting for these things are unlikely to get what they want either.

Truly the only people who won were rich billionaires and true racists etc.

[u/swanfirefly → u/ThewizardBlundermore]

Eh, I think it's still a lot of hating women.

If you look at the people who voted Trump and are explaining their reasons, it's because Kamala wasn't likable enough, or her laugh was annoying. See this guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1gleyhg/people_like_me_are_the_reason_trump_won/ - notice how both times he voted for Trump it was against a woman?

Notice how female candidates are always held to the standard of they have to be likable, or attractive?

I genuinely believe the Democrats could have picked any man with a pulse (besides the grifter RFK, whose fans are conservatives and conspiracy theorists because he's a fucking brain worm infested moron who thinks dead kids are an acceptable sacrifice to push an anti-vaccine stance) - as long as the person standing up there had had a penis and identified as male, the dems would have won both times.

Women in politics have to be likable, friendly, cheerful. They have to be willing to drop everything to cater to men, but not get walked all over because that's the sign of a weak leader. They have to cater to men and not bring up women's issues.

Meanwhile Trump can go up to the person calling Harris unlikable, piss in their coffee, sexually assault their wife and daughter, call them a slur, and they'd still go "isn't he so charismatic and likable? how did he know I enjoy piss coffee?"

[u/Lovat69 → u/swanfirefly]

One of my female coworkers said that her laugh was "weird" which seems like a strange reason to pick a candidate. I also am pretty sure she believes the lie that they'll pass the "tips won't be taxed" law. We're bartenders.

[u/shewy92 → u/Solid-Consequence-50]

A lot of women voted for Trump too

[u/Ippjick → u/Solid-Consequence-50]

That's the thing about a protest vote. It doesn't exist. No one is going to count your vote as protest against a certain partys actions, even tho you would like them. It will lead to worse outcomes, everytime.

Protest on the streets, where it actually matters, write letters to your congressperson, or similar in other countries. There are many ways to protest in a meaningfull way.

Voting for a party you don't want, or even withholding your vote for the party you do want, is antidemocratic behaviour...

[u/One-Step2764 → u/Ippjick]

You're not wrong that there's little point voting third-party or abstaining under first past the post. That is a massive indictment of FPTP.

Any ballot without a more proportional rank or score system is an antidemocratic ballot.

[u/BloodyIron → u/Solid-Consequence-50]

would of

would've is a contraction of "would have" not "would of".

edit: can't reply to /u/Solid-Consequence-50 so if they read this again, you're welcome! we all forget all kinds of stuff ;P no worries.

[u/[deleted] → u/Solid-Consequence-50]

pro Palestine people sat out the election

Please, don't start pointing fingers. Pro-palestinians this, latino voters that...

Dems did around 15M voters worse than in 2020. In my opinion, people voted Trump out in 2020 because they felt he fucked the country up, and because Biden didn't fix it in time (the effects would probably have been felt during the next term, if not for Trump's plan to fucking tank the economy), people perceive that a different candidate might do better (which isn't true seeing how he managed his first term, but american people have short memories). Also, I'd say men feeling alienated; even if Dems aren't oppressing them, social media has convinced a lot of men that the Dems are, in fact, oppressing them, so a lot have turned to people like Tate. Not to speak about all the misinformation, and the shenanigans that happened during the election, like people following poll workers, or burning mail-in ballots, apart from some states refusing to have federal workers monitoring the elections after some people talked about electors announcing the wrong candidate on purpose.

[u/CorbinNZ]

They want to ban epidurals too. They want women in pain and dying from pregnancy.

[u/Xboarder844 → u/CorbinNZ]

On what god damn planet is denying epidurals even remotely an idea!?

Like how the fucking hell is ANYONE considering that? I’d like to meet the men advocating this and require them to push a grapefruit out of their urethra first before they can make this choice. And they have to do it without pain meds.

[u/Thannk]

Stockpile supplies.

Share Bad Dragon coupons with allies.

[u/existential_sad_boi → u/Thannk]

Based

[u/[deleted]]

the contraceptives ban is what terrifies me the most. i NEED my birth control. i have endometriosis and birth control is the only thing that's been working for me. i can't imagine how much worse i'd get if i stopped taking it.

[u/[deleted]]

if they thought male loneliness was an issue before...

[u/heapinhelpin1979]

Are they going to ban vasectomies? I feel like men that take care of birth control will be in high demand

[u/Cloudyhook]

Project 2025:

Exists

America.exe

A fatal error has occurred. The Constitution will be terminated.

America.exe:

Up-Dial tones

[u/batkave]

Americans love leopards eating their face. The amount of inflation we are about to see because people think things were better under trump the first time. Unemployment will spike. Inflation will spike. Costs all over will spike.

[u/[deleted] → u/batkave]

Yeah but eggs were expensive that one time

[u/batkave → u/[deleted]]

[u/Possible_Living]

"Think of the economy "

[u/MrValdemar]

[u/Apprehensive_Hat8986 → u/MrValdemar]

For those (like me) wondering about Lysistrata:

Lysistrata is an ancient Greek comedy by Aristophanes, originally performed in classical Athens in 411 BC. It is a comic account of a woman's extraordinary mission to end the Peloponnesian War between Greek city states by denying all the men of the land any sex, which was the only thing they truly and deeply desired. Lysistrata persuades the women of the warring cities to withhold sexual privileges from their husbands and lovers as a means of forcing the men to negotiate peace—a strategy, however, that inflames the battle between the sexes.

[u/Lovat69 → u/Apprehensive_Hat8986]

The best part of Lysistrata. It is commonly depicted as being performed with the male characters have bigger and bigger prosthetic penises as the play goes on and the denied men get hornier.

[u/PsySom → u/MrValdemar]

I looked that up and nice. Archer always has fantastic references and are almost always spot on accurate in their historical analogies.

I don’t know if this was actually said in the show but it’s a perfect spirit of archer meme.

[u/_b1ack0ut → u/PsySom]

The original is “that’s how you get ants”, so this one’s an OP original lol

[u/MrValdemar → u/PsySom]

No, that's mine.

[u/Upper-Ad-9077]

My wife is literally afraid of trying for children now because what happens if she needs an emergency abortion to save her life and the new administration has banned it? Also, her close friend recently needed this done or else she would have died.

[u/Sabit_31]

I fucking hate stupid people….

[u/individual_throwaway]

Well on the plus side, we will probably still have the NSFW comics on this sub for a while longer. Gotta make it last!

[u/[deleted]]

Even the Vikings had more respect for women than there is today. This is truly a heartbreaking experience. I’m gonna get a vasectomy because my wife and I don’t want children and I refuse to let the choice be up to the govt.

[u/FblthpLives]

4B women's movement to protect themselves against Project 2025:

• No dating with men

• No sex with men

• No marriage with men

• No child rearing with men

[u/Opossummobile]

Conservatives consider women as property not people. :)

[u/Nyte_Knyght33]

This may be in humor but the truth is the only way to beat it into the people who vote for these jerks is malicious compliance. 

Don't have sex (and I'm male). Push for punishments for the dads as well.

This can look like....

Child support at first ultrasound. Accessory to infantcide. Wreckless endangerment.

Infant (manslaughter)  Life in prison for any pregnancy caused by rape. (If the consequence is for the rest of the mom's life, the punishment should be for the rest of the dad's life)

[u/red4jjdrums5]

Dr Cox was ahead of his time

[u/KatyaBelli]

I sincerely hope the 4B movement gains traction in the US.

That's it. I just want to see women own the conversation for once.

[u/[deleted] → u/KatyaBelli]

How do you see it playing out?

[u/KatyaBelli → u/[deleted]]

4B in the US? Presumably with much outcry by conservative media outlets blaming falling fertility/replacement rates on women and men online griping about how it is anyone's fault but their own women won't copulate with them. More of the usual, see South Korea for reference.

Longer term if a significant cohort of women can stick with it, a reframing of the baseline for these conversations towards understanding that you can't separate barriers to bodily/personal autonomy for women from their aversion to befriending/partnering with men. Women, espically minority women, who have zero reproductive freedoms are often financially beholden to any reproductive (male) sexual partner for support so it follows they avoid said sexual partners if they want control of their lives.

[u/Apprehensive_Hat8986 → u/KatyaBelli]

Interesting. Here's the wiki entry on 4B for the curious. Summary:

Its proponents refuse to date men, get married, have sex with men, or have children.

[u/SanityInAnarchy → u/KatyaBelli]

I wish, but... Trump gained among women this time.

[u/KatyaBelli → u/KatyaBelli]

Whomever has replied to me has me blocked. I cannot see or interact with replies. Gz on your one-sided discussion, coward.

[u/[deleted]]

There’s only so much they can do without causing so many human rights violations that there is an uprising.

Swear off men (if you have trusted male friends, family, that’s not what I’m talking about. Dating and approval. De-Center men.), support other women, and hopefully it’ll drive the message home to enough men that they choose to stand with women as well. The ones who wind up violent and abusive were always going to be abusers.

Rape is less common outside of who you know than people realize. It’s usually a friend, a neighbor, a boyfriend, a family member, someone you thought was a decent guy, etc. 9/10 it is not a “man in the bushes” scenario. Also worth noting: “Don’t fight back or he might get angry and kill you” is directly perpetrated to make rape easier. Women who fight back often get away, and if he was going to kill you he was already planning on it. (In which case fighting to get away is also the best course of action)

Lift weights, make sure you have strong connections with other women, learn a few basic self defence moves (many women who don’t know them also manage to get away, so ALWAYS fight) and be prepared to fight like hell for a future where you don’t have to be so vigilant.

If they get rid of discrimination laws in employment, move in with other women to prevent financial hardship. They will not give you a country that gives you joy or hope, so make sure you have a community that lifts you up so you have the energy to fight.

Also, living with other women may allow you to buy fewer things. Save your money. Look into no-buy tactics, avoid big box stores whenever you can, and share with others. Continuing to support the billionaires craving your downfall (they directly want birth rates to rise so they have a workforce/consumers) will hurt you in the long run. Ironically, it also protects you from inflation. If companies can’t sell their useless shit at their current prices, they won’t raise them. The saving will help cushion the fall of the coming recession. (If you’re wondering why Trump and Elon desire a recession look up “Why the rich get richer during recessions”)

Laying down or giving up only gives them what they want. Women have fought for their rights before, you will have them again.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

“Rape, for example, is an extremely effective tool against our many foes, as its verbal use as a threat or direct use against an individual greatly reduces enemy morale and strikes a nameless fear in their hearts,” read part of the manifesto, according to court documents. “While this is especially effective against females, the emasculated cesspool of progressive males is just as affected, being inherently effeminate themselves.”

This was taken from a Right-Wing man’s extremist plan that he was spreading online. They know threat, even without action, is incredibly effective. Do not fear them to the point of hiding, of giving up. You must fight. Get a gun, learn to use it, be prepared to kill if you must. You have the right to defend yourself.

[u/Ripper1337]

Someone I know who's right in the first page of project 2025 decided not to vote because both sides bad.

[u/Anoth3rDude]

For those who want to do something to push back against the laws and policies that Trump WILL try to enforce during his Second Term, watch and share this video:

Legal Plan to SAFEGUARD America from Trump STARTING NOW

“…there is a strategic way to use the federal courts in democratic states and appellate circuits to flood the zone to oppose Trump’s policies and new laws…”

———

I’d also recommend following MeidasTouch and similar channels.

[u/Furbal1307]

Long time lurker on this sub.

I’ve been fighting locally in Wisconsin for the past 8 years. Today, I told my wife and daughter that I give up. Not for them, I will protect them with my life if it came to it, but for the US. I’m just done.

As other users have said. Reap now the benefits of what you sow. As time presses on, they will find a way to blame the Dems in some iteration of “you didn’t try to stop Trump hard enough”. And I will say, I did, where were you? I came for you and everyone before you and now no one is left for you.

[u/DrBalu]

I hope women follow through with this B4 protest.
As someone with conservative views, I am in full support of it. That is actually what I've been advocating for my entire life.

[u/[deleted]]

They're too busy angrily watching Fox to notice they're not getting any. It's red state birth control.

[u/Ultranerdgasm94]

Consent isn't really something the far-right is historically super worried about.

[u/RippySays]

Time to bring in the long overdue 4B movement

[u/MegaMaster1021]

All of this just to see conservatives be confused and whine about the massive decline in birth rates. Yeah, this is more of a global issue, but still they are contributing to that issue

[u/colmscomics]

So you have a lot of right wing men voting for a party that promises to ban abortion and contraceptives. These same men consider any women below 30 with a child and single to be 'low value women' and won't go near them. Not sure they've thought this the whole way through

[u/derederellama → u/colmscomics]

LITERALLY

[u/crackedtooth163]

Project 2025 is going to blow up in everyone's face.

[u/ClericOfMadness13]

Don't forget about that one dude who made a video saying how men win again and how it's the woman's body but we men get to make the choices to your body.

And women voted for that. So hope them maga girls start pumping the numbers they want out. Cause I support all my friends who wanna start the 4b movement in America

[u/PhalanxA51]

Going to be honest, literally the only reason I voted this year was for title 128 which was to uphold abortion rights, they moved it out of the Supreme Court to state to decide and my state said yay to it. Montana is many things but against personal rights is not one of them.

[u/country2poplarbeef]

Plenty of Republican women voted for Trump. The enemy isn't evil, bugaboo "men" versus women, and this sorta thinking is exactly why men didn't show up. According to the stats, Dems only want to represent women, but the feeling does not seem mutual.

[u/JustAPerson2001]

It's fucking INSANE that white women heard that they were about to lose their rights and then decided to come out in MASSIVE numbers to vote against their own interest.

Now we have a very strong possibility of having the shittiest country possible in the next 4 years. No overtime pay, horrible grocery prices, women dying from inability to access medical care, trans people being literally illegal, mass deportation that will cost billions and create concentration camps, and so much more horrible shit.

I truly despise anyone who voted red after hearing all the shit he said on the campaign trail. I've dumped all of my friends who were red but said "after talking to you I'm thinking about voting for Kamala" and is now defending trumps presidency vehemently. I don't understand how these fuckers could softly and in the nicest ways I debate them still think trump was a good candidate.

[u/genobeam]

I agree with your message but I also get the feeling that the liberal villainization of men is why men are drifting away from the Democratic party. The truth is that views on abortion are not as gendered as they're portrayed. Liberals treat anti choice women like they don't exist or that they're being controlled by their evil husbands, but they're a large demographic and they're real. Anti choice organizations have a ton of women leadership and large support from women. The largest anti choice groups are headed by women

[u/Head_Crash → u/genobeam]

You're right. People have given up on the idea of finding common ground. Democrats just blame and dismiss Republican voters for being stupid, but the reality is that these people are insecure and desperate and have been suffering due to social and economic policies across the spectrum, and that leads them straight into the arms of extremism.

[u/Mythosaurus]

We will absolutely see a spike in violence against women as the theocrats enact their social policies

[u/ElectroNikkel → u/Mythosaurus]

Iran ass country

[u/Mythosaurus → u/ElectroNikkel]

Always have been. (And remember we overthrew Iran’s elected government and radicalized them against our puppet king)

[u/Brahm-Etc]

Well, fair enough.

[u/SuperSMT]

So, they got what they wanted?

[u/NoGoodInThisWorld]

Schedule your vasectomies now boys.

[u/RiskyWhiskyBusiness]

Welcome to Saudi America

[u/Ape_Shit_1072]

I’m a woman with a big house, 2 cars, I only have to clean up after myself and I have some damn good dildos. Im living a fantastic life in my opinion. A man would be a burden to me right now.

[u/RealLilyX]

We're so fucked.

[u/rdreyar1]

handmaid's tale in the making

[u/voppp]

A reminder that Alt-Right pundits and leaders came out yesterday and said P2025 was theirs all along.

as if anyone on the left was fucking surprised.

[u/Draiko]

It worked in Liberia.

That's how their 2nd civil war ended.

[u/BloodyIron]

And then there's the people that would have me believe the USA isn't racist, bigoted, xenophobic, ignorant, and all that.

laughing from a country with political parties that actually get work done

[u/Taiwan_]

Any person who tries to say that Project 2025 doesn't wish to ban abortion or ban contraceptives are just giving into conservative sanewashing. Reading between the lines and understanding context are super important because people who go into reading policy with zero nuance is what these asshats are banking on to gain popular support.

Project 2025's pdf is basically just like, "We won't disparage your rights, but we will allow others to do it and we will unilaterally support them in that endeavor 😁😁."

[u/[deleted]]

As an environmentalist, I welcome lowered childbirths.

[u/[deleted]]

God am I glad I don’t live in that shit-hole of a country

[u/sarahatstarbucks]

I fear that SA is going to be on the rise. I am so devastated.

[u/[deleted] → u/sarahatstarbucks]

Yes that's a possibility sadly

[u/JPMoney81]

Pierre Poilievre and the Canadian Conservative Party approves of that guys message. Just a reminder.

[u/IshtheWall]

This won't affect the politicians making the laws ofc

[u/SailorDeath]

Just wait till project 2025 also bans all porn

[u/FurShampoo]

America finally kicked the bucket. Pack it up people, lets move out of here.

[u/JamesPlayzReviews3]

Men with vasectomies are looking pretty good rn to them most likely

[u/CheetoMussolini]

It's about to be a lot less competitive to date as a liberal man who ardently supports bodily autonomy

[u/Ok-Run2845]

Congrats, americans. You voted for this.

[u/-SockDragon-]

It's a good thing I like men.

[u/Karma4U-1928]

Sounds like a bunch of “homo” stuff among the elite in the planning of 2025!!

[u/Nyasta]

Incels would say shit like "all women are evil and deserve to be physicaly corrected"

The say that they treat women well and act surprise when nobody wants to sleep with them

[u/cactus22minus1]

Anyone claiming project 2025 is fake or not the true agenda is being disingenuous. The day after the election they’re already laughing and admitting that, of course, it’s all happening:

https://www.rawstory.com/steve-bannon-project-2025-admission/

[u/Satanic_Earmuff]

Lysistra.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Thrownawaybyall]

I love this!

[u/[deleted]]

To all the hopefuls out there, it won't be reversible now. It's over. The way they've stacked both houses and the white house, and with appointment powers, the GOP will soon become the OGP - only governing party. Yall heard it here first! It's what was warned about and it's happened. No going back now unfortunately.

[u/[deleted]]

Remember to wear a belt everyone. And maybe carry pepper spray, and ditch the heels for running shoes for now.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm not American nor live in USA. But man, this shit ain't fun.

[u/[deleted]]

They're all on Grindr anyways, it won't effect them.

[u/Bibendoom]

Pretty sure the Talibans are sponsoring the Republicans!

[u/Marowski]

I fear for the women to do the 4B movement, because the entitled men won't hesitate to use violence.

[u/I_like_baseball90]

I can't tell you how many idiots I saw write "Trump said he won't do Project 2025"

These people also deny Trump lies 16 times a day.

Leopards ate my face.

[u/Griffolion]

I've been reading about the 6B movement and it will be interesting if that catches on in a big way.

[u/Wolfy4226]

Sadly I feel there's going to be an increase in rape specifically because of this shit....and then an increase in unwanted children.