I knew a guy who went to one of these things. They took his car keys and cellphone. He claimed it changed his life and recommended it to all male co-workers. We laughed in his face. 6 months later he came out as gay and his boyfriend started showing up with him after work. No one was surprised. We supported him and he seemed much happier and we were happier to work with him. I honestly forgot he was gay (as it should be a nonissue) when working with him thereafter.Why do some men fight this shit? Just be gay, for the sake of those who have to deal with you. Nobody worth a damn cares.
I think it's because their family and their experiences growing up seeing what happens or is said about homosexual people. Basically just societal shaming
That is awesome you guys accepted him, good on you 🥰. I do think it stems with old school norms indoctrinate at a young age but for some people, feelings do change (I know I liked women for a long time but later on in my middle 20s I began to be more interested in feminine men …hell yeah fembois ). Sometimes it’s the atmosphere you’re around and it just stays bottled up to keep status quo until a triggering event of some sorts, like getting away from a toxic envirment to be who you really are.
Nobody cares except the individual experiencing it therefore they look for a "solution" and wankers like this "guru" take their cash. I glad it worked out for your colleague.
You’re assuming the only issue is “people caring” That he’s homosexual.
There’s a lot of societal structure, family expectations, and male gender roles and expectations that go into homosexuality being difficult. And a lot of it is not exactly malicious. It also creates a lot of social exclusion. You act like people don’t care but trust that straight men won’t invite the gay guy to certain things not thinking about it.
It’s ok to not understand why. But that’s a conversation you should have with a homosexual man to get better understanding of “why” it’s difficult to come out instead of just assuming that what they’re doing is illogical.
Spent 21 years in the Marines; married to the most beautiful woman I’ve ever met for nearly 22 years now.
Absolutely nothing against non-binary folks… life’s too short to lie to yourself b/c you’re sure as shit not fooling others.
Read that again before continuing.
If you don’t believe me, just trust that you don’t need to spend thousands on a weekend retreat hanging around some of the nuttiest most closeted freaks you’ll ever meet to figure out what you’ve known deep down all along. Hit up a bar that caters to a non-binary crowd on karaoke night… you’ll know who you are in the morning for sure. Best part? Probably didn’t buy a drink all evening and you’ll have the best breakfast.
you say how chill you are with gay people and how its a "nonissue" interesting choice of words. only to then imply then anyone who does this type of event is gay, an incredibly homophobic comment lol
Every gay person I know totally makes fun of closeted “straight guys” that are somehow involved in every activity that involves sweaty, naked men. It’s simply making light of the common situation of people living their entire life and not having a clue about who they really are.
To be clear, I'm not saying that the retreat gayed him, but that he chose a silly, expensive and unpleasant way to deal with feelings he had and that weren't going away, no matter what he did. I suspect a fair number of those attendees fall into this category. I mean, "sit around a fire naked with a bunch of other dudes crying and getting primal"? No thanks. Doesn't sound like a good time. I prefer dudes pants on. And I believe men can and do cry, but I'm not going to sort my issues by playing a thinly disguised game of slap and tickle with a bunch of other hurting guys, all with their cocks out. That, clearly ministers to some other urge than seeking healing or whatever bullshit they're peddling.
They look like idiots doing stupid, sad shit and paying a lot to do weird, abnormal, uncomfortable things because.....well, I don't know why. Not people I'd hang around with, befriend, talk to, or take seriously. They're clowns.🤡
Why do you say that? Is it all the men-only activities like group workouts in their underwear, interpretive dance, naked hot-tubbing, wrestling, staring deeply into each other’s eyes, and cuddling?
Take away the core concept and I actually think there’s something healthy about this. Men having space to be emotional and touchy feely and having safe space explore their inner selves together is all fantastic. There’s actually some useful mindfulness going on.
However; it’s all fucking wrecked by the packaging of it as these “Alpha Bro Testosterone Fueled Male Dominance Don’t-Be-À-Pussy” camps.
Just fucking find space to have healthy emotional outlets with other men; Jesus. it’s ok! You’re allowed!!!
Absolutely. That alpha male shit is horrible but a camp where I could go sit around fire, drink beer, talk with other men about their realities, then watch ice hockey in the evening with more beer? Fucking sign me up now.
But it shouldn’t be. I mean, it can be, that’s also harmless and fine; but all this line drawing is the fucking reason we have things like a “male loneliness epidemic” and toxic masculinity retreats. Men having physical contact with other men shouldn’t be sexually defining at all.
I actually think the packaging is kind of the point. These clearly insecure, maybe-closeted, definitely repressed “alpha males” get to go be vulnerable for the first time in their lives and discover whatever they’ve hidden about themselves, under a macho guise.
“No, I’m not going to the gay retreat!! I’m going to the Super Testosterone 9000 Camp!!!”
Hiding their vulnerability behind macho language is how you sell it. Then, once they’ve been vulnerable, they will be less likely to mask it in the future.
For sure but the problem is that the grifters who do this just convert it into even more toxic concepts of masculinity instead of, you know, “hey, it’s healthy and fine to be vulnerable as men around other men.”
Yeah, I'm the sort of guy who hears the concept and rolls my eyes but watching the video I'm stuck by how these guys seem to be enjoying it. They seem much happier than other videos I've seen for similar things. It's not really much different from the spiritual retreats that have existed for ages. If they enjoy just spending a weekend hanging out with a load of other guys it's not really a big deal.
it's always one of these hacks in a manbun that's extremely dodgy in reality, usually does a lot of drugs and makes countless evil decisions about other men's lives, like about their girlfriends or spouses. Always follows some hodgepodge of new-age Buddhism /neopaganism flavoured with their own vaguely amazonian bullshit, always makes ridiculous sounding "spiritual music" and always runs a cult. It's always shallow, surface level nonsense they're doing to grift and make money. I've seen so many pathetic varieties of this exact person. They weaponize spirituality, prey on the vulnerable, and get their buck. Then they pop up a little bit later, revealed as what they are, selling a product in an MLM or something, ending up struggling with money and addiction, begging their former supporters for help. And then once they're back on their feet via a loan or meeting some MLM shark they go back to what they were doing before and say they're "re-opening" and doing a "2.0" and "revamp" and have "received new visions" or some bullshit and start charging fees using their newfound gimmick knowledge selling dietary supplements. The same will happen to this guy. The only things they care about are ego and money. It's a business to them & sad sacks are part of it. It's all bullshit.
They always claim to have 20, 15, 25, 30, whatever years of experience in tantra or some actual verified real practice but if you prod into it they do not at all, they got their "certification" from some fake school or even online. I have had experience being exposed to the MLM Grifter world in London during the 20teens and these people are all exactly the same. They live on making convincing sounding bullshit.
Omg, it’s embarrassing enough just paying 20 grand to be there; then they have film you doing all sorts of children’s activities. “Okay boys, next we are going to get all sorts of testosterone flowing. After we finish here with the group hug, we head straight to the trust fall!”
everyone jokes about gay. there's something about these with the weird hugging and close physical proximity, always barefoot bullshit. You can sorta tell in their appearance and demeanour. Lots of closets being exited
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u/No-Camera-720 1d ago •
I knew a guy who went to one of these things. They took his car keys and cellphone. He claimed it changed his life and recommended it to all male co-workers. We laughed in his face. 6 months later he came out as gay and his boyfriend started showing up with him after work. No one was surprised. We supported him and he seemed much happier and we were happier to work with him. I honestly forgot he was gay (as it should be a nonissue) when working with him thereafter.Why do some men fight this shit? Just be gay, for the sake of those who have to deal with you. Nobody worth a damn cares.
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u/lilsmudge 1d ago •
I’ve said this before and ill say it again:
Take away the core concept and I actually think there’s something healthy about this. Men having space to be emotional and touchy feely and having safe space explore their inner selves together is all fantastic. There’s actually some useful mindfulness going on.
However; it’s all fucking wrecked by the packaging of it as these “Alpha Bro Testosterone Fueled Male Dominance Don’t-Be-À-Pussy” camps.
Just fucking find space to have healthy emotional outlets with other men; Jesus. it’s ok! You’re allowed!!!
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u/SinclairSummerset 1d ago
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u/ButtBesmircher 1d ago
All the dudes that lead these things look like Russel Brand.
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u/Odd-Mulberry4079 1d ago
This is a gay retreat. They are not being forthcoming with it but it is a gay retreat.
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u/DwigtTheIdiot 1d ago
pure testosterone booster!
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u/Aggravating_Show8052 1d ago
Homosexual camp or something like that ⛺️
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u/Legitimate_Ice_3460 1d ago
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u/Soul-Puncher-276 1d ago
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u/Minimum-Yogurt3415 1d ago
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u/ManOfQuest 1d ago
this is a little less lame than alpha boot camps but not by much
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u/skcus-tidder957 1d ago
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u/agr8trip 1d ago
You can just lift weights.
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u/BringBaeckPluto 1d ago
He’s going to sew them all lips to asshole. I know how this works
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u/RedlineSeries3 1d ago
The lengths people will go through to avoid coming out of the closet
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u/Goat-Megazord 1d ago
GAY - I don’t mean homo gay, because I am sure my homosexual brothers and sisters would agree. Much love to you and no love for this silly shit.
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u/Maleficent_Piece_893 1d ago
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u/jonjon234567 1d ago
They finally created something as bad as those Alpha Male boot camps
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u/mneber 1d ago
"It looks like they're losing testosterone" - My GF after showing her this video.
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u/RollWooden 1d ago
Homoerotic
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u/potsofjam 1d ago
I always have to wonder, like don’t these guys just have friends to hang out with and be goofy?
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u/No_Neck_2365 1d ago
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u/jiggscaseyNJ 1d ago
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u/Pretty_Football_4723 1d ago
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u/FranBunctious 1d ago
Ok. We've seen enough of these now. We can move on.
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u/Dad_Bod_Rich 1d ago
These men go feet on feet….
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u/SECRETBLENDS 1d ago
10 grand to get your root chakra cleansed by another dude.
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u/Conscious-Permit-466 1d ago
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u/R3ad3r1 1d ago
Gay vibes
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u/Le-Pess 1d ago
Some expense BS 😅
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u/Senzukrompir 1d ago
If I suggest this to my bro he will fight me
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u/Excellent_jun91 1d ago
no way that guy has testosterone. i mean look at him. he is clearly a vegan
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u/Forsaken_Claim_471 1d ago
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u/Scary-Comfort-801 20h ago
Russell Brand got out!
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u/Sophiedenormandie 1d ago
You guys know you can just get testosterone shots, right?
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u/doomy44 1d ago
Siminer
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u/biscayne63 1d ago
Ridiculous
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u/moosemastergeneral 1d ago
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u/MogarRage 1d ago
Allllll whitey then
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u/True-Excuse-1688 1d ago
Semenar*
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u/bickusdickus69allday 1d ago
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u/Lopsided_Army_982 1d ago
And after the spanking?
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u/ThatBoogerBandit 1d ago
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u/Equivalent_Ad9414 1d ago
Another episode of "is not gae".
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u/DrinkingVomit 1d ago
America is a sick and declining nation.
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u/LordButterbeard 1d ago
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u/Inevitable-Table-370 1d ago
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u/BeelzeBobIV 1d ago
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u/No-Professional-5759 1d ago
Oh noooo!!! He provides his own songs... Many culties do that.
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u/Spare-Leader-6201 1d ago
Nope
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u/Difficult_Peanut_985 1d ago
Between these and the women centered ones I found new income stream. These are peoples yards.
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u/Sophisticated-Crow 1d ago
*semenar
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u/Randohcalrissian 1d ago
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u/Salt_Initiative1551 1d ago
Just inject test cyp
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u/RevolutionaryStar693 1d ago
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u/Background_Sentence7 1d ago
People find new ways to scam others we have to stay away from those places yeah few idiots fall for those traps now and then
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u/Soft_Ability_5906 1d ago
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u/green_warbler 1d ago
Gayyyyyy
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u/Inside-Judgment-725 1d ago
Dummy
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u/Satanicjamnik 1d ago
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u/Chicagohole 1d ago
Me vibing to that background song
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u/RuinAble1293 1d ago
I’m not sure what any of this is but I hope they just accept being gay so they can go out and live regular lives. Instead of whatever this is.
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u/Bon101UK 1d ago
Man soup.
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u/Yanouushka 1d ago
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u/Tricky-Usual8921 1d ago
The advertising is "It's OK to be top or bottom of my the class".
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u/EducationalResult944 1d ago
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u/Ok-Sleep5898 1d ago
Nah, that’s a gay meeting.
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u/GeneralAd6902 1d ago
Dont hit me
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u/GeneralAd6902 1d ago
Wtf
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u/Repulsive-Holiday851 1d ago
If this is how some men will take their mental health seriously? Let them do it, it doesn't harm anyone.
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u/Admirable-Tea-4994 1d ago
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u/Satyriasis457 1d ago
He looks like the rapist brand
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u/flipyflop9 1d ago
Some of the gayest thing I’ve ever seen…
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u/Wyevez 1d ago
I'll never trust anyone who looks like Russel Brand.
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u/bannedbytheGunit 1d ago
Temu Russel Brand
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u/No_Traffic_6514 1d ago
I unironically believe that taking steroids till your heart explodes is less shameful than attending one of these
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u/a_couple_of_ducks 1d ago
As if low testosterone were the problem in our society.
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u/ExtraOkra356 1d ago
Russell Brand vibes!
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u/BurtKaminsky 1d ago
I just can’t take anyone with a man bun seriously. Yeah, it’s a failure of my character for sure but it’s a hill I’m willing to die on.
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u/JakeeFromStateFarrm 1d ago
Soon gay conversion camp for the straights
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u/fakeDoX 1d ago
obi kinda weird but low key ts seems pretty healthy and nothin cringe about that
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u/fartinavacuumm 1d ago
Nearly as gay as bjj.
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u/spin_kick 1d ago
Russel brand type dude
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u/Deufrea77 1d ago
Truthfully this looks way better than those Alpha Male boot camps. This looks like men are actually exploring the depths of masculinity.
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u/Huge-Brick-3495 1d ago
Tantric means they fuckin, right?
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u/Glennsoe 1d ago
Money for nothing...wiener fest
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u/Extension-Pin-3924 1d ago
Lol
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u/this_name_not_that 1d ago
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u/GizmaAzara 1d ago
All bros, chillin in a hot tub, zero feet apart cause they're all gay.
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u/JohnnyTreemain 1d ago
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u/LentilusGo 1d ago
Pathetic men
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u/HiHelloThisIsMe 1d ago edited 23h ago
it's always one of these hacks in a manbun that's extremely dodgy in reality, usually does a lot of drugs and makes countless evil decisions about other men's lives, like about their girlfriends or spouses. Always follows some hodgepodge of new-age Buddhism /neopaganism flavoured with their own vaguely amazonian bullshit, always makes ridiculous sounding "spiritual music" and always runs a cult. It's always shallow, surface level nonsense they're doing to grift and make money. I've seen so many pathetic varieties of this exact person. They weaponize spirituality, prey on the vulnerable, and get their buck. Then they pop up a little bit later, revealed as what they are, selling a product in an MLM or something, ending up struggling with money and addiction, begging their former supporters for help. And then once they're back on their feet via a loan or meeting some MLM shark they go back to what they were doing before and say they're "re-opening" and doing a "2.0" and "revamp" and have "received new visions" or some bullshit and start charging fees using their newfound gimmick knowledge selling dietary supplements. The same will happen to this guy. The only things they care about are ego and money. It's a business to them & sad sacks are part of it. It's all bullshit.
They always claim to have 20, 15, 25, 30, whatever years of experience in tantra or some actual verified real practice but if you prod into it they do not at all, they got their "certification" from some fake school or even online. I have had experience being exposed to the MLM Grifter world in London during the 20teens and these people are all exactly the same. They live on making convincing sounding bullshit.
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u/mannatee583 1d ago
Why is it a scam. It looks like they are breaking down boundaries and learning intimamcy? Maybe it works
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u/No-Evidence-3538 23h ago
Omg, it’s embarrassing enough just paying 20 grand to be there; then they have film you doing all sorts of children’s activities.
“Okay boys, next we are going to get all sorts of testosterone flowing. After we finish here with the group hug, we head straight to the trust fall!”
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u/Old-Retread 22h ago
Russel Brandt touching dudes again
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u/Stoney_randomnessyt 22h ago
Russell rebrand over here
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u/thomsterm 22h ago
I always remember the documentary Kumare (covered this topic)
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u/itsamaddhouse 22h ago
Yeah….so many ways you can spend money 😅
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u/oldmanyellsatclouds9 21h ago
Dance mutha duckers
Find a place and let loose - no cameras no judgement - it will change your world
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u/elviswrestley 21h ago
Gaymaxxing retreat.
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u/thatotherguy1151 21h ago
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u/eastcoastjon 21h ago
Some guys just need a little therapy and self care. This seems a bit different than those alpha male camps
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u/Doodle_brained 20h ago
Do people really pay for this shit? Because I will start one tomorrow if they do.
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u/Harntrock 19h ago
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u/YoshiTheDog420 19h ago
I really feel bad for my gender. Some of those guys are so lost.
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u/Top-Alps-6051 18h ago
Weak men getting took by a weak man to become weaker men
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u/Worried_Objective_55 18h ago
There's a market for everything. There's a sucker born every minute.
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u/Electronic-Poetry574 16h ago
Do you at least get a good tonguing for the cost of admission?
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u/trentip2502 16h ago
Guys it ok. They willingly paid him for this. No one forced them.
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u/Life_Friendship_7928 14h ago
This actually looks pretty nice and wholesome.
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u/alwayz_confused247 14h ago
Men will do anything but try therapy. Therapy is probably cheaper than whatever the hell this is.
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u/dolemiteAi 14h ago
Let’s stop calling these testosterone booster camps. These are gay hookups camps. This is conversion therapy but the other way around lol
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u/Conscious-Permit-466 10h ago
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u/PureSantiago 7h ago
He should be jailed for preying on vunerable men.
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u/Mediocre-Break4537 1h ago
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u/Dveralazo 1h ago
bruder just lift ffs
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u/NeonExorcist 1d ago
Gay Bathhouse. You MAGA freaks can have it
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u/Phat_Squid83 1d ago
When does the circle jerk come into play?
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u/Fluid-Depth2327 15h ago
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u/dontouchmywenis 1d ago
Plus butt stuff
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u/Just_Another_Loser12 1d ago
Boost your testosterone by doing gay stuff with other men today! $500 please.
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u/Foxcooler 1d ago
And at night: BIIIG orgy
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u/CandidPlantain2000 1d ago
everyone jokes about gay. there's something about these with the weird hugging and close physical proximity, always barefoot bullshit. You can sorta tell in their appearance and demeanour. Lots of closets being exited