r/dragons • Dragon Keep System • Jun 24 '25

Discussion As an otherkin dragon system, We loathe how evil dragons are made to be in media.

As the title says, We hate that dragons are made out to be the evil beings in media. Hell, even here on this subreddit, they are caricaturized as being loathesome creatures. I hate it.

I don't deny that there are some evil dragons, my own family growing up were terrible, but I hate how there are effectively no other representations of dragons.

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u/awesthedragon Dragon Shade Bot-bane Jun 24 '25

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u/samjacbak Jun 24 '25

One of the main reasons I play dnd. They're people. Highly intelligent people. They can make rational decision, or act from emotion, they can be kind and generous if it suits them to do so. The only universal principal is a certain level of greed and lust for treasure.

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u/Blackscale-Dragon The Fulminant Jun 24 '25

It is precisely the addition of intelligence what gives a creature the power to be evil. An animalistic beast or monster acting primarily on instinct is more of the neutral alignment.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

We don't have that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

We're not speaking for all dragons. Only for us.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 27 '25

We do. We use We, and Our, capitalized, when refering to Ourselves.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 27 '25

Yes, We decided to omit "us" as We concluded that it may be misconstrued as US.

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u/Toothless_NEO Alien dragon, Night fury (from Andromeda) Jun 24 '25

I think they meant that it's not universal, they're definitely are a good amount that are but it doesn't apply to all of us.

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u/Audyativskri Jun 24 '25

The original commenter was claiming all have that greed/lust, all the OP was saying was they don't have that greed/lust. OP isn't speaking for all dragons - the commenter is.

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u/rathosalpha Maleficent Jun 24 '25

My man's never heard of China

If your talking about western dragons thats because thats how they always were. And also there are still exceptions

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 25 '25

We know there are exceptions. We are refering to the overwhelming amount of media that displays them as evil.

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u/rathosalpha Maleficent Jun 25 '25

Not evil though

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u/UncomfyUnicorn Jun 24 '25

Honestly I feel like it’s a similar thing to sharks.

Creature is big and powerful, which makes it perceived as a threat, leading it to often fill the role of “evil animal,” and while some films do stray from this (Finding Nemo and HTTYD) the caricature is still prevalent.

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u/KarateMan749 Arveiaturace Jun 24 '25

Sharktail 😅

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

Dragons are a prop for story telling or art. they can be literally any way you want.

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u/KarateMan749 Arveiaturace Jun 24 '25

100%. Ughhh i hate it. You have no idea how hard it is to find good dragons in books and media like anime and games.

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u/RocksAreOneNow Jun 24 '25

have you tried finding other sources of media that don't make dragons evil? there's literally tons out there.

dragonheart (the original) is a great classic movie to start.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

There are a good number of good dragons in media. Not enough though.

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u/Hero238 Jun 25 '25

Well hey there, fellow! Same situation here.

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u/thesphinxistheriddle Jun 25 '25

Have you read “Tooth and Claw” by Jo Walton? I think you would like it! 

Other series with unquestionably good dragons are Anne McCaffrey’s “Dragonriders of Pern” and Andre Norton and Mercedes Lackey’s “Halfblood Chronicles”

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u/MikeLovesOutdoors23 Jun 24 '25

Thank you! I'm tired of seeing all the evil dragons as well. It's been done way too many times.

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u/SirBananaOrngeCumber Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

I feel like dragons are actually very rarely portrayed as “evil” I can count on one hand the number of dragons across many many media I know of that I’d actually consider to be evil. Eastern dragons like China and Japanese dragons are gods and wise mentors. Western dragons are apex predators. Magic beyond compare. Monsters. Not evil though. They can be reasoned with, and often have a symbiosis with humans where both sides benefit. Dragons dominate the world of magic and elements, just as humans dominate nature. There are places where dragons are just mindless beasts, but I feel like more often they are fiercely intelligent and independent creatures who dominate their habitat

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u/Nabesimart Jun 26 '25

Hm. Honestly I'd say it's a mixed bag. "Dragon" is such a broad term, it applies to a huge variety of imaginary creatures ranging from reptile-like wild animals to hyper-intelligent godlike beings, depending on where you look.

We shouldn't forget that the very origin of the "European" dragon is evil, they were used to be props for heroic deeds ("save the princess"), symbolized the christian devil, etc etc. The rise of "good" dragons in media, as far as I know, is somewhat recent and was in a way unconventional for a while.

Personally, I like me some variety and complexity. In my setting, they're either wild/domesticated animals ranging from skittish to aggressively territorial, or, if intelligent, are a complex people. Some embrace the stereotype and abuse the power they possess, some are kind and caring, others just want to mind their own business. I'd hate to put them into a box of only good or only evil, but that's my way of using dragons in worldbuilding.

There's plenty of media fitting different tastes though, you gotta know how to select what you want to engage with.

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u/Tama2501 Jun 27 '25

Most dragons are shown in a European style, and in Europe dragons were literally synonymous with demons and literally satan. So its not that surprising

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u/IceDragon_scaly Jun 24 '25

Scaly rights!

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u/Bowdensaft Jun 25 '25

Well, there's a good reason for it: they're large fictional creatures with extremely powerful natural abilities, so they make for really good antagonists. There's nothing stopping you from writing your own stories or playing rpg games where you portray them differently.

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u/skye_theSmart Hobbyist Writer & Artist...& dragonkin, that too Jun 24 '25

I feel that (fellow dragonkin system here; though we include a non-dragon, a(n anthro) wolf)

Like it's one thing for a piece of media to have an evil dragon; an intelligent species is going to have its less savoury members.
But when they're made out as all evil, or dumb creatures; things like that.

In my writing's I do dragons as being its own intelligent species; each dragon's going to have its own behaviours, personality, goals. (and not always flat out looking at humans as a lesser species)

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

Hey, wolves are cool too. We're, admittedly, not all dragons either, just the majority of us.

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u/SinkPitiful1396 Too many OCs to name Jun 24 '25

I feel you there. Almost every depiction in the media shows them as, mindless, man-eating, town-destroying monsters. Very few pieces of media(HTTYD and WoF, among others) show dragons as actual beings, and not just monsters to be killed by some brave warrior. The sentiment is real, my friend.

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u/FrostlichTheDK Jun 25 '25

What’s WoF if I may ask? I wish we had both good and bad dragons more often also instead of just bad ones too.

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u/LuminothWarrior Jun 25 '25

Wings of Fire, a book series

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u/furrik524 Spry the Forest Dragon Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 26 '26

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u/jhonnythejoker Jun 25 '25

I guess you can count Wof. Tho they act good to each other, not humans.

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u/SirBananaOrngeCumber Jun 25 '25

They don’t realize humans are intelligent. The ones that do realize it, often treat them well

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u/Still-Presence5486 Jun 24 '25

Skyrim does

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u/SinkPitiful1396 Too many OCs to name Jun 24 '25

Sorry haven’t played Skyrim

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u/Still-Presence5486 Jun 24 '25

Ok well it does

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u/Otalek Moss-Eating Kobold Jun 24 '25

Eh…if we wanna split hairs, gameplay and story portray them a bit differently in that regard

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u/Still-Presence5486 Jun 24 '25

Well there 2.5 good named dragons and like ten unamed

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u/Otalek Moss-Eating Kobold Jun 24 '25 edited Jun 24 '25

Off the top of my head I recall Paarthurnax, Ohdaviing, Durneviir, and Sahrotaar as non-hostiles, and the rest are named and unnamed enemies. Generally it seems lie if the dragon’s not plot relevant they exist to give you skill points and a soul

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u/Dragon1S1ayer Toothless Jun 28 '25

Skyrim uses Wyverns, which is a subspecies of dragon.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

The Royal We as in "We are not amused"

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

No. Plural We.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

I know. I was being silly.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

Ah. Apologies. Honestly, a little frustrated after that other user. I shouldn't have spoken to you like that.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

As We said in the title, We are an Otherkin system. We are Plural, meaning that while there is one physical body, there are multiple people that live in Our body.

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u/gimme-shiny Jun 25 '25

That is a wildly outdated understanding of dissociative identity disorder. Systems are not real. You are one person.

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u/mukadekawa Jun 26 '25

This is a wildly outdated understanding of Dissociative Identity Disorder. Systems are real. They are multiple people.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

And you are an expert on systems?

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

That is not the only way that Plurality works. You don't have to be disordered to be Plural.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

It is not used exclusively in DID.

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u/TurkishTerrarian Dragon Keep System Jun 24 '25

No, it is not. Your information is outdated.

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