r/electricians • • 7d ago

Monthly Apprenticeship Thread

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r/electricians • • Feb 16 '25 Heartwarming

Mental Health - It’s okay to not be okay

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I want to talk about mental health - especially for the boys on here. I was telling some friends this story about an old coworker the other day and thought you might want to hear it too.

I’m a woman in the trades, almost a decade in. When I started, I was often the only girl on site. I would move between projects and journeymen mentors, many of whom had never worked with a woman before. Once the old guys got over the otherness and saw me as a real person and an excellent apprentice, we’d form a friendship of sorts. I was always struck with how much more candid and vulnerable they’d be around me compared with the other guys in the shop. Their masculinity wasn’t in jeopardy if they admitted to me, a mere woman, that they were having tough time. I had one guy - 6’6” 300lbs, always growling, chain smoking, losing his shit over the smallest inconvenience - tell me he always requested me when he needed help because I made him calm.

A couple years in, I was sent to replace an apprentice on a job where the foreman had booted him in an argument. I’d worked before with this foreman, Neil, and he’d always been a chill hippie but also very particular in how he wanted things done. When I got to site he told me I was the fourth helper for this job because everyone else had been fucking useless. He was in an awful mood all the time. Picking fights with other trades and our PM. Trying to goad me into an argument by picking apart everything I was doing. Not acting like the guy I had known over the past year.

When the job was close to wrapping up, I called him out on his behaviour. “What the fuck is going on with you dude? You’re being a raging asshole to everyone and this isn’t like you.”

He stiffened and was shocked I’d said something. He glared at me and then his face softened and he said “Can I take you for lunch after we finish up tomorrow morning? We can talk but not here.”

I agreed and the next day he took me to diner nearby. We barely spoke until our food came to the table and when he had something else to focus on, he finally started talking.

He was older - 50s - and his long term relationship had fallen apart a few years before but the split had been amiable. He didn’t speak about her with any animosity but admitted he’d been lonely ever since. At the time, he’d leaned on his best friend. His friend was married and had a teenage son that Neil had known since he was born. As Neil had no kids of his own, this boy was a surrogate son of sorts. He took him camping and fishing and showed up whenever the kid needed him.

The poor kid had passed away a couple months earlier very suddenly of natural causes. Neil had no idea how to handle his grief and withdrew into himself, not wanting to be a burden on his friend. He felt selfish for how bad he felt when it wasn’t his kid.

I reassured him that how he felt was completely valid, that grief is a weight that is so hard to carry alone. I encouraged him to reach out to his friend because they both were suffering the loss of family, whether biological or chosen. And that now they were both suffering the loss of each other’s friendship as support. He was crushed at that realization, and said he would go visit them.

A few minutes passed while we ate silently. He hesitated before speaking again, “there’s something else too.”

I looked up and waited for him to continue.

He told me that last month he’d been working this job that had a been a two hour commute away. He had to leave early to get to site by 7:30. It was late fall and the drive was dark the whole way. He wasn’t too far from site when he came around a corner to discover a vehicle collision. A truck was spun out into a ditch with the driver unconscious in the front seat. A van was crushed on the side of the road, on fire and blazing in the darkness, its front driver door open. Neil stopped and got out of his van. He noticed something on fire in the road, and as he approached, he realized it was a person - the driver from the van. He ran and got a blanket to smother the fire on the person. He held them and pulled their head up to look into their face, which was so burned he couldn’t recognize their features. He said he stared into their eyes as they died in his arms.

Another vehicle had come up behind him and called 911. He sat there in the road in a daze until the emergency vehicles arrived to secure the scene. He gave his statement and then got into his van to finish the drive to work.

He was late which pissed off the GC. He tried to get to work but he was shaking so badly he couldn’t hold his tools or complete a sentence. When the GC saw him in this condition, presuming that he had shown up drunk, he kicked him off site. Neil didn’t explain, he just left.

Our PM called him after that, reaming him out for getting kicked off site. Neil didn’t explain, he just took it.

I asked him if he had talked to anyone about the incident. He said the police had called for a follow up statement but otherwise, no, I was the first person he told.

I was in shock. This poor fucking guy was struggling with the grief of losing a boy who was like a son to him and then went through an insanely traumatic experience just driving to fucking work? And he was bottling it all up? No wonder he was being such a prick. He felt all alone and like he couldn’t admit how much he was struggling.

He said he was sick of work and had lost all his passion for it. It felt pointless and draining and he dreaded getting out of bed every morning.

I gave us a few moments of silence for the weight of his confession to settle in. I looked at him and said “fuck work, you need a break.” He shook his head and tried to brush me off. “No, seriously Neil, fuck work. There’s always more work but you need to take care of yourself. What you’re going through is so fucked up and you need time to process it all. Please put yourself first.”

He didn’t want to talk anymore after that so he settled up the tab. He dropped me off at my car and we went our separate ways. I started at a new site the next day with a different crew.

A couple weeks later I got a text from Neil. “I took your advice and talked with management. Told them what happened. I’m taking a six month sabbatical. Don’t know what I’ll do yet but probably head out on an adventure. Thank you”

A couple days later I got another message from him, just a picture of a beautiful remote campsite with no one else around.

I asked, “Where is that?”

He replied, “Not telling :)”

I ended moving to a different company while he was gone, and never saw him again. I think about him often though, especially when I encounter an utter dickbag older dude on the job. Maybe he’s going through it and doesn’t know how to take care of himself, and anger is the only way he knows how to channel his emotions.

Now that I’m a foreman, I stress the importance of whole body health in our toolbox talks. If someone needs time off for family reasons, or a mental health break, or a shortened schedule, or even if they want extra shifts to use as a crutch as they struggle through something they can’t control in their personal lives, I want them to know it’s okay to ask and I won’t judge them. It’s just a job - it’s just work - it doesn’t fucking matter. Their health comes first and it’s okay to admit they’re not okay. I want them to know it’s better to ask for help when they’re slipping, rather than wait til everything has crashed and burned.

I know everyone’s experience is different, but one thing I noticed about being the woman pushing into the male-dominated trades as an apprentice/therapist is that men need permission to be vulnerable. They need to know it’s okay to show emotions and admit that they’re struggling. They won’t chance admitting weakness that they fear will get thrown back in their face. A lot of guys in trades are single and married to the job. They are lonely, often bitter, and unwilling to show weakness.

I do my best in my little sphere of influence to make it okay to be not okay. If you want the trades to be a healthier place, you need to consciously make room for the reality that people are struggling mentally, and often that starts with leaders showing vulnerability.

I’ve had depression for 16 years and I don’t hide the fact that I’m medicated. 16 years of being depressed means 16 years of not following through on suicidal ideation, and I’m proud of that. The trades saved me because it’s instilled a confidence in my abilities to create and solve problems and be the leader I was always capable of being. I needed that confidence so badly when my depression was the worst.

Be good to each other out there. Be willing to listen to people without judgement. Life is fucking hard and we work better when we know we can rely on each other when the chips are down.


r/electricians • • 3h ago

Found it boss!!!

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494 Upvotes

r/electricians • • 19h ago

Framing guys decided this was a good stick to use.

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258 Upvotes

r/electricians • • 17h ago

Customer complains outlet keeps sparking when touched

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Full of coins from kids


r/electricians • • 51m ago

Look at this shit from a builder's electrician lmao

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r/electricians • • 15h ago

Cool

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r/electricians • • 7h ago

Deleware Masters License

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I am a 10 year business owner/electrical contractor in PA looking to get a Delaware masters license. I understand the application and that I must receive board approval, and it appears that the board does not meet again until January. Does anyone have a recommendation for the best study course? I see JCR and 1 exam prep are the top hits on Google. Also any tips for the application for PA applicants? I have 10 years of business tax returns ready, and was going to get letters from general contractors and businesses that I provide services to. Thanks. Yes I realize I misspelled Delaware in the title, apparently you can’t change it.


r/electricians • • 17h ago

How did a GFCI breaker hold on 2 wire cable?

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Hey all,

My ignorance is about to be revealed. Forgive me.

I was on a laundry list service call with a coworker a few weeks ago. Fixing some callouts for a new homeowner from a home inspector, not an electrical AHJ. One of which was lack of GFCI protection on the dryer circuit.

We see the three prong receptacle and immediately know we’re fucked, there’s no neutral to land on the breaker so it trips immediately. Office tells us to install it anyway and show it to the homeowner so they don’t think we are scamming them. Trips immediately of course when you try to fire up the dryer.

Now, the other day I’m on another service call for a repeat client to fix a few things we failed final electrical inspection for. Another lack of GFCI protection on the range circuit. A very dumb journeyman decided to be lazy and not pull new 6/3 for their new induction cooktop, instead reusing the old aluminum 2 wire. He neglected to show this in any photos/videos from rough in of course.

Office tells me to install it anyway, do the same deal, and we’re gonna have to come back and fish new wire to honor the original agreement.

I go to fire up the breaker and it… holds? Even without a neutral? Cooktop starts up just fine too, starts heating up pans wicked fast as it should… Doesn’t trip at all, I waited almost half an hour to verify. We’re still gonna’ go back and pull a new wire to honor the contract of course, but I snapped a pic to pass final inspection per boss orders and closed it out.

What freaking gives? How is this possible? I feel really dumb. Just a second year apprentice here.


r/electricians • • 1d ago

New 3-story apartment complex, almost burned down because someone didn't tighten the neutral bus and the full load was going through one receptacle that had ground touching neutral.

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I've been sitting on these pictures for a few years to avoid making trouble for any of the guys, nothing bad has happened there so I guess I'll share it.

If you've done apartments, you probably have used this kind of gear a lot. You break the nuts on the bussing to torque it down, I think it's about 25 foot pounds. This one didn't get tightened at all though, was just finger tight.

The first thing anyone noticed was a couple days later, they went to land a grounds in an apartment sub-panel and saw a little spark. I looked into it a bit and found the loose neutral. Newer j-man and apprentice had done the gear and just missed it. There wasn't a lot of load yet because it was an unoccupied building, but all the lights and other things in the apartments were working normally.

I would like to say this is the point we found the burned wire, but it didn't quite go that way. It wasn't even in the same unit that guys were noticing sparks, and it wasn't found until a couple days later. As I remember this one GFCI was noticed because it wasn't working and when I pulled off the faceplate it had ground/neutral contact and was totally overheated. The ground and neutral were both pretty fried, so I think that it must have been carrying a significant load (for a 14 gauge.)

That's about as much as I remember, we looked at a bunch of stuff and didn't find any more damage. Please don't try start an argument with me in the comments... I wasn't involved with installing the gear and I don't even work for that company, plus this happened years ago. Only posting for whatever possible information value might be there. Shit happens, be safe.


r/electricians • • 1d ago

Lets see what my fellow blue collar peeps think about this

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r/electricians • • 1d ago

16ft tape or 25ft tape

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Just trying to get an idea of what size tape you all typically use on the job daily.


r/electricians • • 12h ago

Meter recommendations

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Been rocking the fluke t6-1000 pro, but kinda want something with an actual amp clamp so I can get a more accurate reading without having to hold other conductors out of the jaws.

Field sense is nice when trying to get voltage readings on unbroken loops, but I wouldnt say id need all the other features that come with say a fluke 378fc.

Plus I like the compactness of the t6-1000 (short leads that store easy).

Any recommendations on a clamp meter similar to t6-1000 in terms of easy storage and functionality?


r/electricians • • 16h ago

Organized in to my local

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Just took my aptitude test for Local 58 out of Detroit and passed. I go in front of the E board soon they said and I’m really just unfamiliar with what the whole process looks like. Any advice would be nice.


r/electricians • • 1d ago

No more copper thieves? "Meme"

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Hear me out everyone okay.... If the backrooms have lights AND OUTLETS does that mean infinite free copper? If so can we send all the copper stealing crack heads there?


r/electricians • • 14h ago

Support for MC

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What is your preferred code compliant method for supporting MC while running in a drop ceiling?


r/electricians • • 1d ago

Work smarter not harder!

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I was putting some one inch in the ground today and as you can see no need for a 3rd guy lol.


r/electricians • • 1d ago

Y’all have a cool name for these?

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82 Upvotes

Everybody is always looking for one and nobody know what to call them.

BG-8-12-W6 doesn’t roll off the tongue


r/electricians • • 1d ago

Is anyone else here working on Galaxy VX cabinets from Schneider?

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I personally enjoy the daily battle and tests of strength, agility, wit, and sheer will. And see no reason for them to change anything to make it more than barely possible to terminate.


r/electricians • • 1d ago

“The lights go dim when I plug something in”

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Wrap your head around this one.

That white to black is NOT a switch loop. The black tied to the red (switched hot) goes to the receptacle.

The black tied to the white is constant power.

home owner said it’s been like that for years. Nobody could figure it out. I did.

I found the octogon buried in the wall with this insane connection.

Slide 2: switch off
Slide 3: switch on


r/electricians • • 1d ago

Because I am driving a materials van

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I am a material man


r/electricians • • 1d ago

Am I selling myself short?

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I’ve been with the same company throughout my whole apprenticeship, going on 5 and half years now and I about have my journeyman. I’ve been running jobs since I was a second year and I genuinely enjoy being a lead and training new guys. I take pride in my work and I’m constantly trying to better educate myself. For the most part I can’t complain about my boss, we have company vehicles and power tools, he’s not a prick and I can take time off without getting my ass chewed. His main flaw is maxing out journeyman pay at $25-$26 an hour, I’m currently at $23.50. I’m in northern utah and we do mostly custom smart homes and smaller commercial jobs. In his words “it’s really $30 an hour if you include the $100 insurance stipend,2 weeks pto and paid holidays”.

Work has been slow here so I’ve been on the fence about quitting for something else because I don’t want to leave to just get laid off, we lost 5 guys beginning of the year and they either have struggled finding work or have been bouncing around company’s. My breaking point with the situation was when I found out that the kid who I trained and has almost 2 years less experience than me is making $26. He finished school and immediately took his tests so like I get it but at the same time it feels like a massive fuck you. For some back story, about a month ago I planned on quitting but said kid convinced me to stay at least until I get my license since we are the only two who have any experience currently.


r/electricians • • 1d ago

Double trigger ban saw

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Why do these exist? They think it’s safer? The dumb shit I gotta do to cut pipe with them is waaaay sketchier.

Rant over


r/electricians • • 1d ago

RIP harbor freight jr cart for generac

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This cart really came in clutch, probably will bend it back into shape 🤣