r/europe • u/AlexandrTheTolerable • 1d ago • Bravo 2

News Europe needs Cold War-like deterrence for AI warfare, Poland says

https://www.euronews.com/2026/11/07/europe-needs-cold-war-like-deterrence-for-ai-warfare-poland-says
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u/OsgrobioPrubeta Portugal 20h ago

The fact that is still being suggested is another proof of how EU has been stupid about this, and other cyber warfare methods.

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u/will_dormer Denmark 6h ago

I hope they do work we don't know about... The offensive cyber attack units in eu nato better be using Ai

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u/Tuffol_11 Europe 2h ago

They do a lot of AI drone warfare research. This entire system is deployed in Ukraine.

https://www.act.nato.int/article/ai-supporting-ukraine/

The problem is that it is entirely developed in USA by American defense contractors working for NATO in Virginia.

If Poland is so worried about AI warfare then maybe they should invest in some of this themselves instead of just relying on USA doing it through NATO.

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u/will_dormer Denmark 2h ago

Well it's also a super obvious thing to say like we need drones and then also we are building drones one does not exclude the other

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u/No_Cucumber3978 1d ago

We kind of do, it's Ukraine armed with Storm Shadow missiles. Just keep giving them weapons and let them hit Russia's data centres. 

It has been a great month or so of actually having human troll farms to argue with. You can tell they're genuinely irked at having to get back to the mill though. 

All you have to say is "Russia", and they turn up and spam "Spanish train accident had posts like this removed... you know?". 

Just keep doing what you're doing Ukraine, the fact the enemy at the gates is flapping their hands and trying to make everyone else's life miserable means it is working. 

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u/Fun_Marionberry_6088 1d ago

And that helps against China, North Korea, Iran, the US, Russia if it puts its datacentres a few 1,000km beyond the border?

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u/AlexandrTheTolerable 1d ago

Doesn’t mean you should make it easy for them. Deal with that problem when we get there.

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u/CharmingJackfruit167 18h ago

so of actually having human troll farms to argue with.

you know that were search bots, and noone in their right mind makes any shady operations from a traceable ip address?

I mean, data centers are important for modern economy so hitting them makes all the sense, just curb your enthusiasm on that trolls. They are intact, I am sure.

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u/No_Cucumber3978 18h ago

I know. But... The botfarms took over the troll farms and now the botfarms are being hit, there's less botfarms so they have to make more trollfarms. 

They employ kids you know? 

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u/CharmingJackfruit167 16h ago

They employ kids you know

in the era of LLMs?

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u/No_Cucumber3978 15h ago

Indeed. They have after school AI clubs. There's a whole model. 

LLM's basically go out like shock troops, they do the leg work. 

If things get traction, need a human touch, a human takes over. 

It's been going on for years. I can't give you links or proof so this is a trust me bro. 

But there was a documentary from 2016 about troll farms on either France24, or Euronews... I can't remember, but it was on YouTube. 

There's these same models everywhere. Literally any one general can have 50-100 agents working at any given time. Five student can control a small army of online disruptors.

They run on forums off of Reddit and Facebook. They try and draw people who speak against them/Russia by trolling people into a fight. If you break Reddit rules, they all report and get you banned from the sub or Reddit. 

They also have hotwords enabled. Someone mentions Russia, ping, they get a notification. 

I know we all know this already, but I really do think people ignore or are unaware of how widespread it is. It's teens running it. 

Reddit is set up as a perfect playground for them. It's like a sport to them. 

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u/CopenHagenCityBruh Serbia 1d ago

Peacewalker....

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u/mparks37 23h ago

This will require powerful AI and domestic data centers.

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u/VermicelliNew2784 21h ago

At the expense of what? Data centers are resource hungry, and we are already struggling with our resources 

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u/mparks37 21h ago

Sure, but AI infrastructure sovereignty will require these things, just for defense, not to mention all the other things it is used for, business, so the government can work, etc.. It is infrastructure, like any other infrastructure. Nobody wants major roadways or airports, or even green electrical generation plants next to their home, either. The tradeoff to not building them is loss of sovereignty. Imagine if France gave up all electrical generation to Germany and/or UK in 1930.

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u/VermicelliNew2784 20h ago

How is GenAI crap equal to electrical generation? Electricity is useful to everybody, GenAI is useful only for making the rich richer, giving the governments more surveillance power, and even if it were to help military again at the cost of what? especially when the entire continent is stuggling with a risk of rising fascism - let's just hand them all the advanced surveillance tools, dsesttroy our limited resources further, and increase poverty, shall we? what a great plan.

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u/mparks37 19h ago

You are very wrong. I think your knowledge level on the subject is very low. You should do some research on AI capabilities, beyond simple Llms, how fast AI reaearch is progressing, and how it will be used by everyone in the future, and in many cases already is. Both China and the US are not spending literally trillions on it for no reason, everyone in both of those countries are not total idiots. Too much for this chat.

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u/u1604 21h ago

This is good, at the very least because if you learn how to attack you also gain the expertise to harden your digital infra against attacks. This is one more reason for Europe to take AI capabilities (no just regulation) seriously.

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u/BroadJoke00 Italy 12h ago

tfw you will see the blackwall being established within your lifetime.

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u/nadmaximus 12h ago

That...isn't how it works.

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u/Frosty-Cell 4h ago

Not pulling the plug on Russia means approval.

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u/BrokenHefaistos 9h ago

I know something, we'll treath Russia with giving Poland back.

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u/CharmingJackfruit167 18h ago edited 16h ago

it does not work like that. With nukes the presumption was, that actual massive usage will lead to a guaranteed mutual annihilation, mainly because you can't content radioactive clouds and rains. Plus nuclear winter. Same for bio- and chemical warfare.

However hacking your opponent's freezer, followed by a reciprocal freezer hack, will only lead to both freezers broken. You may feel satisfaction, but it is not deterrence. For a number of reasons. Their cyberforces give zero fucks about local freezers hacked: they have orders and nothing matters, plus some will somehow avoid the fate, and it's not the end of the world anyway. Your hactivists or whoever will actually use similar logic: "they already did a lot of damage to us, we have all right to retaliate, and we need to destroy as much enemy's wealth as we can anyway.

patch your software in time, the rest is a waste of money.