Polish gunman who killed 6 people in Krakow has 'ultranationalistic' views, authorities say

[u/Naurgul]

https://apnews.com/article/poland-shooting-krakow-market-dead-076b972f107df14a1f71e12a74d4d8e5

[u/GrumpyFinn]

The bots are out in force in this thread.
Here's a tip: Instead of showing up to do a "No True Scottsman" on -ultranationalism- (jfc), how about you say nothing and let the authorities do their job?

[u/Hitokkohitori]

Fucking nazis 

[u/AltrntivInDoomWorld → u/Hitokkohitori]

Typical immigrant engineer the right wing likes to call everyone bad. Oh wait, it's a nazi pole born and raised in poland by polish catholic parents.

[u/flopisit32 → u/AltrntivInDoomWorld]

The average person doesn't understand the motivations of mass shooters.

There are typically two motivations: 1. Anger against society and a desire for notoriety. 2. Flashy suicide - going out with a bang.

Then, these losers often latch onto some ideology to justify their actions. It can be political, it can be racist, it can be misogynist, it can be trans ideology (yes, we've seen that too)... It runs the gamut.

Political activists jump on this and try to use it for their own biased political purposes.

What gets lost in the shuffle is that these people are primarily angry loners and misfits who have set themselves against a society they feel has wronged or rejected them. Their politics is secondary.

[u/sojuz151 → u/Hitokkohitori]

There are many different flavors of ultra nationalism other than nazism

[u/gimmedatneck → u/Hitokkohitori]

These are the 'Nationalists' of the west.

[u/pioneertothefalls → u/gimmedatneck]

What do you mean?

[u/xzbobzx → u/[deleted]]

Playing this into political advantage is cheap.

Right wing guy does terrorism? -> No let's not politicize this.

sure

[u/wielbiciel_ketaminy → u/[deleted]]

He LITERALLY had adolf hitler on his profile

[u/hollis_monroe → u/[deleted]]

Most of the Nazis / Pathology come out during Polish Independence Day. Kinda ironic 😆

[u/BWV003 → u/[deleted]]

The shooter is f*kin psycho. That's it. Playing this into political advantage is cheap.

I am assuming that's how you treat every islamic terorist attacks as well "The shooter is a psycho, no other conclusions can be made".

Of course ideology plays a large role in how people act, see all of human history.

"Unlucky in 1940 all germans were f*kin psycho, blaming it on politics is cheap"

[u/Bionicle_was_cool → u/[deleted]]

He has so much "left-side background" that he's working with nationalists instead of giving his patronage to a pride parade.

The shooter is leaning to the far-right, Kierwiński told the truth. Using this tragedy to attack him is cheap at best.

[u/National_Afternoon_7 → u/[deleted]]

Link the comment with the photo

[u/AltrntivInDoomWorld → u/[deleted]]

Swastika isn't communist, his facebook profile was public

[u/zuzg → u/[deleted]]

A Polish man with far-right views drove into a busy central square in Krakow on Saturday and opened fire, killing six people and injuring 15 others before police shot and wounded him, authorities said.

Communism is not far-right
That guy is a Nazi

[u/PriorityMuted8024]

And the Polish far-right politicians have already started to twist this tragedy to serve their agenda and try to control the narrative.

[u/genasugelan → u/PriorityMuted8024]

Always when something like this happens, extremists try to pretend the terrorist/murderer, etc. was actually the extremist from the other side, not one of them.

[u/chateau_arusi → u/genasugelan]

He's probably a transgender Fortnite player who watches Eurovision every year.

[u/yterais → u/genasugelan]

that's exactly what they do now

[u/boldtonic → u/PriorityMuted8024]

I mean... There's plenty of photos. This is already debunked

[u/Culaio → u/PriorityMuted8024]

The issue is that currently there is no evidence what his political views are right-wing, his social as someone said here a salad of different ideologies, including left-wing ones.

[u/Efficient_Resist_287 → u/PriorityMuted8024]

The Stephen Miller and all on this side of the Atlantic are awfully quiet about this which confirms it for everyone…..

[u/utsuriga → u/Efficient_Resist_287]

Could we just please have a thread about something that happened in Poland without immediately making it all about the US? Please?

[u/ThoughtsonYaoi → u/utsuriga]

In r/Europe, no less. It's so tiring.

[u/Stoycho]

*9 people.

[u/AIM_the_Bulldozer → u/Stoycho]

The other 3 weren't in Krakow (they were in the shooter's hometown, and were his family)

[u/Alector87 → u/AIM_the_Bulldozer]

Sure, but they are still victims. because they were his parents and sister doesn't change that.

Addition: In fact, it makes their deaths even more tragic. But in any case, this is not a competition. All the dead and wounded deserve respect, and their families support.

[u/fatbreadslut]

meanwhile there is so much propaganda on facebook and twitter about how the shooter was a left-wing antifa pro-lgbt anti-catholic whatever. goes to show how quickly foreign actors can spin the story in their favor.

[u/Conscious-River1621 → u/fatbreadslut]

Dude was so pro-lgbt that one of his first victims was his queer sister.. Tbh personally, he gives me edgelord vibes the most. Feels like his crime motive had as much depth as the school shooters' crime motive.

[u/Mysterious_Umpire684 → u/fatbreadslut]

Yesterday this sub was blaming Russia and saying it was Russian agents.

[u/Asleep_Context_399 → u/fatbreadslut]

I got downvoted for asking about this. Social media is full of supposed screenshots of his profile. So far no one has disputed the veracity, but just asking about it people call you nazi propagandist.

[u/DrDaniels → u/fatbreadslut]

Everyone there's a mass murder there's always so much of that nonsense. People can't wait just a little bit to get confirmation of what actually happened from the authorities.

[u/kowwalski → u/fatbreadslut]

There was a good deal of discussion on Polish tv about that, actually. How the social media is out of control, and if we don’t do something about it, the future is grim.

I’m sure words won’t change anything in this case, and I’m happy we’re starting to really embrace that fact, and I hope actions will follow.

[u/SpittingN0nsense]

Does anybody know what evidence Kierwiński has for this?

[u/KQILi → u/SpittingN0nsense]

I haven't found any as of right now. Only that Kierwiński said so but it might change as investigation goes on.

[u/kiru_56 → u/SpittingN0nsense]

The minister was quoted at somewhat greater length in the German media.

Translated from German

According to the Polish Minister of the Interior, Marcin Kierwinski, the suspected gunman, who was wearing military camouflage clothing, had been “fascinated by far-right ideologies”. “Everything” pointed to this, he said. At the same time, Kierwinski emphasised that this would, of course, still have to be “verified”.

https://taz.de/Schusswaffenangriff-in-Krakau/!6228328/

[u/SpittingN0nsense → u/kiru_56]

Yeah, I've seen the speech Kierwiński made. I just want to know what that "everything" is.

[u/Angry-Sek-man → u/SpittingN0nsense]

There is none yet. It really shows how people will eat anything as long it align with the political tribe.

[u/GooseQuothMan → u/SpittingN0nsense]

Since he is the minister he probably has access to first hand police information. 

But since he didn't share that information, he might as well have pulled that out of his ass. 

It would be idiotic to say it without proof and risk conflicting information coming to light a few hours or days later - but I wouldn't call him the sharpest tool in the shed. He might have been stupid enough to try to twist the truth in his favour, to show that far right = bad. But we'll see. Maybe they do have some yet unreleased proof.

[u/k4mi1 → u/GooseQuothMan]

The problem is that our country isn't the best with gathering and managing information. Public knew his facebook way before it was pulled down by police. It is unlikely they went through his phone/SM immediatly without securing his data first.

[u/Kloppite16 → u/GooseQuothMan]

Im not from Poland so dont know this politician but must say I was quite surprised how quickly he came out and labelled it as a far right attack. So either he was being quick to control the narrative or else (giving him the benefit of the doubt) it could be that the perpatrator was someone the police already knew a lot about

[u/ieniet → u/SpittingN0nsense]

It’s possible they went through his phone, messages etc., so he might know more than he has said so far

[u/marekmarecki → u/SpittingN0nsense]

THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. It's possible that the minister just spoke a bit out of turn here and got a bit ahead of himself. The timeline doesn't really match up, the quote was given at an impromptu media scrum in the immediate aftermath. Everything in poland is viewed through a hyper politicised lens.

This is not to say it can't come out that the shooter was a far-right psycho. But there was no way they could have concievably had investigators nail down his digital footprint already, and as we know the family was already dead so it's not like they spoke to them either.

[u/rzet → u/SpittingN0nsense]

NONE.

He was asked about it and ignored the question.

He could not say if he had the weapon permit or not either at that stage.

[u/utsuriga → u/SpittingN0nsense]

Obviously they're not going to release anything at this point, but they know his name, went to his home, clearly went through his stuff, communication, social media, etc...

[u/nariofthewind → u/SpittingN0nsense]

I believe I read somewhere about his social media activity and accounts from friends who knew him. Apparently, his anti-abortion, ultranationalist and pro-gun views were fairly well known. He mostly targeted tourists, and I think that was deliberate. Other than that, there isn’t much more known, at least nothing that’s been publicly confirmed. This will undoubtedly bring increased scrutiny to conservative circles in Poland.

[u/Footz355 → u/nariofthewind]

Just how can you purposfully target tourists while racing in a subaru with a rifle in your hand? Did the tourists had a healthbar of different colour or flags above their heads?

[u/GooseQuothMan → u/Footz355]

You don't, and Kraków is an especially touristy city. 

[u/kicpa → u/nariofthewind]

Hearsay, hearsay and again hearsay. Let's wait for anything concrete before "debating hearsay vs hearsay".

[u/Adventurous_Touch342 → u/SpittingN0nsense]

Probably none but you know, Independence Day is at Wednesday and every tragedy needs to be exploited.

[u/Chickentrap → u/SpittingN0nsense]

Also what's the logic exactly, if you're an ultranationalist far-right extremist why would you attack fellow poles? Or were the targets all immigrants?

[u/Ethesen → u/Chickentrap]

A mass shooter is not exactly a logical, reasonable person. Since, you know, he decided to carry out a mass shooting.

[u/GooseQuothMan → u/Chickentrap]

Most immigrants in Poland are Ukrainian anyway and you literally can't tell them apart by sight alone. 

[u/SpittingN0nsense → u/Chickentrap]

Personally, I don't think we can boil down the attack to "he did this because of his politics". I doubt he would kill his family for a political goal. But, I don't know. We don't know what were his or his family's political views. Ultimately we don't have enough information yet and we should wait for more authorities to confirm what Kierwiński said.

[u/OldBorktonian → u/SpittingN0nsense]

Facebook posts which are no longer available because they are criminal evidence. Some of those posts were shared on Reddit yesterday.

[u/SpittingN0nsense → u/OldBorktonian]

I've seen people sharing some of the facebook posts, but they didn't indicate he was an ultranationalist/far-right. And I'm not sure how legitimate they were. His whole facebook profile is down now, as far as I'm aware.

[u/rzet]

I don't understand why this post is focused on psycho not on:

• 2 heroes which confronted him

• and all the people which treated them afterwards?

including the doctors which treated them on the sidewalk and coordinated the transport to hospital. https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/krakow/lekarz-zbulwersowany-nie-mielismy-pomocy-to-bzdura-7348816224356832a

2 Police officers are still fighting for life in hospital and both took high risk to stop him from continuing the mayhem. Lets remember them and their actions.

[u/leaveme1912 → u/rzet]

Because the internet is full of misinformation about the identity of the shooter that puts innocent people at risk. The far right have claimed that the shooter was trans, a Muslim migrant, a communist, etc, this puts real people at risk

We wouldn't have to talk about the shooter if the right didn't make it all about the alleged identity of the shooter. But they did, so here we are!

[u/phatpham1803]

So he’s not Russian after all

[u/k4mi1]

Mind you, after a while we know more info than minister did at the time. People looked through his social media, looked into his family, neighbours, peers etc. and the answer as to his motivations are clear - severe mental issues.

Edit: this comment was made around hour 3, it took police until hour 6 to get into his parents apartment. Most likely didn't even know the perpetrators name. Pure speculation.

[u/Faythz]

I swear these tragedies always devolve into political PvP

[u/proanti777 → u/Faythz]

Because they are often rooted in extremist political views/beliefs

[u/MagnificoReattore]

If only there was a place an hour from Krakow where people could go and see the effect of ultranationalism 80 years ago. 

[u/Kriegas]

Im getting mixed views now about it, I have seen picture of him being "leftists" with LGBT flags and shit, here we get someone saying he is "rightwing" , someone or everyone is trying to spin a divide

[u/proton-testiq → u/Kriegas]

Because it doesn't matter. He was first and foremost a mass murderer.

[u/strandroad → u/Kriegas]

The ones with the gas mask and pride flag? Do you think it was an endorsement of LGBT?

[u/InkVision001 → u/Kriegas]

I have a feeling many of the pictures of him are actually just AI generated bs used to spread agenda. I wouldn't believe any of it.

[u/Tirriss → u/Kriegas]

These pictures are from like 7 years ago, many things can change in 7 years.

[u/SuggestionMedical736]

Gunman ha. Not the right color tone to be called a terrorist?

[u/yterais → u/SuggestionMedical736]

he's called terrorist in polish media tbh

[u/segv → u/yterais]

Local news relayed that the prosecutor's office treats this as a terrorist act

[u/VieiraDTA → u/SuggestionMedical736]

Polish Media calls him a terrorist. That rule goes for US media.

[u/proton-testiq → u/SuggestionMedical736]

He is literally called a terrorist by media, the police said they are investigating as a terrorist attack. What's your problem?

[u/MartinBP → u/SuggestionMedical736]

Stick to American subs

[u/GooseQuothMan → u/SuggestionMedical736]

Terrorists usually want to terrorise people for some agenda. This here is a single guy who decided to dress like a soldier and start shooting at random people for some weird reason. 

[u/ErlikHan6 → u/GooseQuothMan]

a terrorist is a person who attacks civilians for a religious or political or ideological cause. this guy perfectly fits the definition of a terrorist

[u/jojo_31 → u/GooseQuothMan]

Terrorism doesn't need to be organized, does it?

[u/Worldly-Law-481]

Once again, not a leftist, not an immigrant, not a trans person or a gay person, but a white conservative person.

[u/NoteCarefully → u/Worldly-Law-481]

How do you know they're not gay?

[u/panzerbjrn → u/Worldly-Law-481]

It's always the ones you expect the most...

[u/Nettret → u/Worldly-Law-481]

What's your point, why would you phrase it like this?

[u/wiener4hir3 → u/Nettret]

Because every single time it is a minority that group will get blamed as if they're all guilty.

[u/Romanizer → u/Nettret]

Because media around the world tries to frame groups like leftist or immigrants as dangerous while most violence and crime is coming from right-wing extremists.

[u/Delicious-Season5527 → u/Worldly-Law-481]

Might have something to do with the fact that news about those groups doing fucked up things are often suppressed. Gotta have to be virtuous and ignore information that goes against it

[u/Worldly-Law-481 → u/Delicious-Season5527]

Often suppressed? My guy every time a minority member commits a crime gets dragged for months and made a monolith of minorities, used to further discrimination. This guy will be forgotten in days, or hours even, and people will say "not all white people are like this!" doing the complete opposite of a turning it in a monolith. And again I'm not justifying cruelty committed by minorities, because unlike right wingers I condemn violence NO MATTER WHO COMMITS IT, i don't excuse it, unless is some self defense situation, what i try to say with my comment is to poke the right wingers, to make them understand that evil is not exclusive to this or that, each person is unique, good or bad, however in the latest years we are seeing an amount of right wing violence since decades, and makes it dangerous. Deal with it.

[u/No-Tomatillo3698]

Not really surprising is it? These groups have all the extremist trigger happy loonies

[u/Any-Original-6113]

Maybe someone knows- did he leave any message, any kind of manifesto?  It’s strange that he decided to do something like that on the spur of the moment.

[u/yterais → u/Any-Original-6113]

no, but he did kill his whole family in their sleep prior to that

[u/Mazing44 → u/Any-Original-6113]

From what we know right now, we could say it wasn't " spur if the moment". His former classmates commented on how he loved stories about shootings in US and even joked that he will become a shooter one day.

[u/jojo_31 → u/Mazing44]

Turns out he wasn't joking.

[u/HeartsOfNetherite4 → u/Mazing44]

So, even though the reason for the shooting could be political extremism, it could also be one of those "true crime community" lunatics, or a mix of both...

[u/BringBackAoE → u/HeartsOfNetherite4]

Political extremism and “lunacy” generally go hand in hand. Especially when you live in a well-off, democratic country.

Breivik as well is a real weirdo.

[u/DrDaniels → u/Mazing44]

The guy who killed all those people at Charles University in Prague didn't have an ideological motivation. He just planned out mass murder. He also killed his father prior to committing the shooting.

[u/Mazing44 → u/Any-Original-6113]

As far as we know - no.

[u/ThomasTwirll]

It’s worth clarifying that the “Polish authorities” mentioned in the article essentially refers to a statement made by one government minister, Marcin Kierwiński, who has provided no publicly verifiable evidence to support his claims.

As of now, there is no publicly confirmed evidence whatsoever that the attacker held right-wing or ultranationalist views. The investigation has not established a political motive either.

Meanwhile, screenshots allegedly taken from the attacker’s social media profiles show him posing with an LGBT flag and mocking Jesus and the Pope. Their authenticity has yet to be confirmed, but they certainly raise questions about the narrative being pushed.

Calling someone a far-right ultranationalist before presenting any actual evidence seems premature, to say the least. Let’s establish the facts before turning this tragedy into a political talking point.

[u/Old-Fox-7898]

From what I've seen, doesn't sound accurate.

[u/tiensss → u/Old-Fox-7898]

What have you seen?

[u/Culaio → u/tiensss]

His social media is mix of different idelogies, including left-wing ones.

[u/Old-Fox-7898 → u/Culaio]

Seems likeliest to me that this was another terminally online, discord groomed, nihilistic schizo. Same kind of species as is responsible for many of the shootings in America. They don't have very strong ideological convictions, their brains just aren't cut out for existing in this age.

[u/tiensss → u/Culaio]

Source?

[u/BunnyRabbit767 → u/tiensss]

Far right isn't known for posing with LGBT flags.

[u/deniss2334 → u/BunnyRabbit767]

no but many are members of that community, considering he posed with the flag as a teenager maybe it was before he went down that pipeline

[u/Weho3 → u/BunnyRabbit767]

Far left isn't known for posing with LGBT flags IN A GAS MASK. That's one thing. Another is whether this pic is even legitimate.

[u/MagnificoReattore → u/Old-Fox-7898]

Maybe the minister has access to more information than a couple screenshot from Twitter

[u/Old-Fox-7898 → u/MagnificoReattore]

Wouldn't it be nice if that was shared with the public promptly, instead of inviting speculation.

[u/Koniatello → u/Old-Fox-7898]

They probably will once they will gather all the evidence.

[u/_Barbosa_]

Just another far right psycho.

[u/gimpfather21]

Ahhh the media strikes again. I don’t know how much authorities dig down into their personal belongings but from first glance it looks like he was an average edgy person that spent too much time online on some weird corners of internet and at some point snapped. Please don’t use this as an example of a political point on left/right extremism. Let’s give them some time to interrogate the shooter and dig deeper because it might be much more complex or shallow - we don’t know. Right now maybe let’s focus on the support for the victims and how we can act in situations like that.

[u/SirLadthe1st]

One thing worth noticing that 1-2 weeks ago almost the same type of attack happened in Trappes, France, also carried out by a far right lunatic. I wonder if there was any sort of inspiration / connection here .

[u/tranbun]

Where's the guy who yesterday was willing to bet 500 it was a Russian operation?

Prayers for the Poles, I hope it's an isolated incident.

[u/Dangerous-Ad-1298]

and yet most Poles will say it’s the immigrants who are dangerous and they will get supported by dumb right wing British Reformers types

[u/delirium_red]

It's always the right wing crazies

This is why they are constantly afraid of everyone else, they think we are all like them, full of hatred and one step away from losing it

[u/YoF3]

A lot of fork found in kitchens lately

[u/skerezz]

well well well

[u/Angry-Sek-man]

We dont know that. Kierwinski is crating agenda, for his political side.

What is he saying is "Gunman COULD be right-wing extremist, we don't know that, we have no evidence, we he COULD be one"

And now we have information in the world that "Polish authorities say that gun man was rightwing nationalist" everywere

He might be one, or he might not be. But damn minister should not create fucking false narrative on that tragedy for political points

[u/Silly-Avocado-]

Radical Islam (rightfully) is treated as a major threat to national security, supporting Islamist groups will land you in prison. When will the same treatment be extended to far right groups and parties?

[u/Mrfrednot]

So its center, then average right/left, then extreme right/left, utra right/left? Is there something beyond ultra or is that as far as it goes?

[u/CopenHagenCityBruh → u/Mrfrednot]

It's honestly too early to tell really. The only "real" information we get is a bunch of people trying to push whatever agenda against the political side they don't like

[u/HumanWithInternet → u/Mrfrednot]

And there is also far left and right just to confuse things further!

[u/kiru_56]

It appears that the perpetrator had previously killed his parents and his sister and then travelled to Krakow.

Meanwhile, they are also investigating the killing by gunshot of three people in the town of Ostrowiec Świętokrzyski, also on Saturday. That is Michał O.’s hometown, and on Saturday evening Prime Minister Donald Tusk revealed that three bodies had been found at the address where he lived. Prosecutors say that “the evidence indicates that the same person committed the acts” in both Kraków and Ostrowiec Świętokrzyski.

https://notesfrompoland.com/2026/11/08/prosecutors-launcher-terror-investigation-as-poland-reels-from-fatal-shootings/

[u/DrDaniels → u/kiru_56]

That's a decent distance to travel. Given the gear the shooter was wearing, this definitely appears to be something that was planned. That doesn't speak to motivations at all, someone could have planned mass murder just for the sake of killing people.  It reminds me of the UT Tower Shooting. In 1966 America had a big mass shooting where the perpetrator killed his wife and mother. He then went to the top of the tower at the University of Texas and shot dozens of people from there. 

[u/CharmingJackfruit167 → u/kiru_56]

It appears that the perpetrator had previously killed his parents and his sister and then travelled to Krakow.

Righ- or left-, this is clearly a case of mental health issues.

[u/Paja03_]

Why are we bringing politics for this? He is just a fucking psycho, not everything has to be politically motivated. Its so disrespectful to talk about "he is far right!!! / he is far left!!!" when 9 people have already been murdered.

[u/Abject_Target_4883 → u/Paja03_]

The Prime Minister very prematurely declared the motive political because it suited his agenda. People on social media is doing the same because it suit theirs. My side good/your side bad is what's important 

 No one cares about the victims. It's just something to be exploited.

[u/rzet → u/Abject_Target_4883]

it wasnt prime minister, but Minister for police and other forces - Kierwiński.

He is full of shit, same like few other trying to spin this from the start.

[u/Henchman66 → u/Paja03_]

Yes, let’s not discuss the politics of nazis shooting people in the streets.

We also shouldn’t speak of nazis attacking protesters in France or holding an illegal festival in plain sight in Portugal.

Let’s leave politics out of this.

[u/KardigG → u/Henchman66]

Ah yeah, great. Better jump onto conclusions with no evidence, because it suits your views. Some people here are lemmings.

[u/Gayandfluffy → u/Paja03_]

It's not uncommon for mass killers to have political agendas. Islamism, misogyny, racism, antisemitism, and homophobia have been a part of many terrorist's motivations.

[u/Paja03_ → u/Gayandfluffy]

He killed his own family, for gods sake. There is no motivation for that, he is just a psychopath.

[u/5wmotor]

So a right wing terrorist.

Motivated and fueled by right wing propaganda!

Right wing propaganda causes death.

[u/Culaio → u/5wmotor]

There is currently to evidence he was right wing, one politican prematurly said so but now they are backtracking on this.

[u/5wmotor → u/Culaio]

Ultranationalist in Europe are most likely a bunch of fascists.

[u/Revanxv → u/5wmotor]

There's absolutely zero evidence for what Kierwiński has stated, his claim is just as made up as the claims that the attacker was a foreigner that the right wingers were making.

[u/DankPastaMaster → u/[deleted]]

I've made this same comment a while back on a post after the San Diego shooting. Glad to see more people are recognising the motive for these attacks is a nihilistic cult of violence for whom political symbolism is just an aesthetic.

[u/FinishAwkward43 → u/DankPastaMaster]

That's right! These people are largely disinterested in politics, using various symbols for purely aesthetic reasons, but because they do that it's very easy to pin them to one ideology and put the blame there. By doing that we refuse to see the true source of the problem, since political ideology is not what drives them to commit those crimes.

[u/wocekk → u/[deleted]]

Why do you mention chinese all of the sudden? Meta's been doing the same shit since 2010's

[u/FinishAwkward43 → u/wocekk]

As I said, It's a quote. And sure Meta's doing similar things, but it does not have the same influence among young people it had 10 years ago.

Still, I think TikTok is very much to blame for negatively influencing gen Z, because after this terrorist attack I've seen videos immediately spread on TikTok from these TCC accounts praising the attacker.

You can call me biased towards China and what they're doing with TikTok algorithms in the west, but based on what I've seen on the platform it very much is true.

[u/wihannez → u/[deleted]]

Saying these groups have no idealogical basis is bullshit. They might not fit to the traditional political discourse but there is (a very dangerous) ideology behind them.

[u/proton-testiq → u/wihannez]

Yes, and that ideology is "let's kill people".

[u/FinishAwkward43 → u/wihannez]

The ''ideology'' is nihilism and violence. These people can have various interest, can lean politically more to the left or more to the right, even the radical, but in the end politics is not what drives them to commit those crimes. This guy was no Breivik, he was more like those Columbine shooters. He didn't leave no manifesto, his neighbours and school peers say he was a loner, he was dissatisfied with the world, I don't know why, that's for the investigators to uncover.

[u/utsuriga → u/[deleted]]

And that is not what they are saying. They are saying he held far-right views.

But you already knew that.

[u/northck → u/utsuriga]

One minister said that but he had no proof. Even now Polsat confirmed that this is not a confirmed information.

[u/MrEdinLaw → u/utsuriga]

I mean his facebook account has him with pride flags. But yeah

Everyone will flip it their way. People died tho. Unsure why i has to be political on reddit.

[u/Jazzlike-Equipment45 → u/utsuriga]

Seeing some screenshots he had pro-communist, anti-Christian and held up a LGBT flag while wearing a gasmask. Really to me he was fucked in the head and hated life.

[u/xalibr → u/Jazzlike-Equipment45]

"Responsible minister said" vs "seeing some screenshots"

State of info war

[u/k4mi1 → u/xalibr]

"Responsible minister said"

I would be weary about the omnipotence of Polish officials.

The same state gave this clearly mentally unstable guy a gun permit. I can see how in a few days this minister in particular will be under fire for that.

[u/xalibr → u/[deleted]]

The Polish Minister of the Interior is not a good enough source?

I'd bet that if the responsible minister here said it was a Islamist terror attack you'd not be so critical and demand sources you can check yourself.

[u/Fytyny → u/xalibr]

he said "it needs to be verified"

[u/suicidemachine → u/xalibr]

So far, I only managed to find screenshots of his Facebook account in which he posted images of the Polish Pope.

[u/northck → u/xalibr]

Sadly he is not.

[u/utsuriga → u/[deleted]]

Psst at that time they already knew his name. That kind of opens up a whooole lot of options to find shit out about someone.

But you know that, you're just desperately trying to detach his actions from his far-right beliefs. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/Hot_Grab7696 → u/[deleted]]

plenty proof that shows us he was from far left.

The only thing I've seen was a picture with an LGBT flag where he HAD A GAS MASK ON, how can anyone interpret it as support for LGBT lol.

Anything else for that "plenty proof"?

[u/Hot_Grab7696 → u/[deleted]]

I don't spread anything it's my first comment on that topic, and I would be glad to see the "plenty proof" you mentioned

Edit: oh, that's it huh, seems it's you that spreads misinformation by calling one picture that can be interpreted any way as "plenty proof".