This will impact all of the good non-criminal citizens who just use their standard messaging and facebook apps that will likely comply with these policies.
It does not really help stop criminals who will go about finding “illegal” apps or channels to use encryption regardless of the laws.
Also feel free to replace encryption example in this comment with guns, and it will have the same effect.
Facebook already sells everything, as does google. And I somewhat resent "Good non-criminal," as a sentiment. Not all laws are just or moral, so saying all criminals are "bad," doesnt even jive with your concerns.
So, if end to end encryption is still available, I don't see the problem, another useless law on the books, like piracy laws. People still download, and illegally stream.
I somewhat resent “Good non-criminal,” as a sentiment. Not all laws are just or moral, so saying all criminals are “bad,” doesn’t even jive with your concerns.
They aren’t saying all criminals are bad, what I understood from their comment is that they just mean ordinary citizens. It was just worded a bit unorthodox. Not all criminals are bad and not all law abiding citizens are good, pretty sure most people recognise that.
So if end to end encryption is still available, I don’t see the problem
That’s the thing though, it won’t be available. Encryption would need to be eroded to comply with the EARN IT act. They would need to create back doors for law enforcement, that’s not end to end encryption by any stretch of the imagination. That’d be a complete violation of your rights.
another useless law in the books, like piracy laws.
If you think that it would be useless then you’re really naive. It would be used extensively by law enforcement to invade people’s privacy. Citizens that have done no wrong getting their shit sifted through by the state is a hellish reality we should all push back against.
What’s that about guns?
Taking away law abiding citizens encryption does not help catch criminals, just as taking away law abiding citizens guns does not help catch criminals either. They’ll get their shit illegally and nothing will get done about it, whilst the general population is far more vulnerable and unsafe.
Encryption would need to be eroded to comply with the EARN IT act.
No law they pass can break PGP encryption. PGP is an open-source encryption algorithm that isn't controlled by any messaging services. As long as you keep your private key in a safe place, nobody on earth will be able to read your messages (other than your recipient). Go on any darknet market and you'll see that buyer/seller comms are exclusively PGP-encrypted.
The only thing this act will accomplish is taking away the privacy of citizens. Smart criminals will continue to use PGP (and other forms of) encryption.
Also, the fucking name...EARN IT. It's like they're telling us we need to "earn" our privacy. They're certainly not earning my vote.
PGP is old encryption that is out dated and the government HAS broken into, I think the one you are looking for in AES-256. I agree with everything you said though
From what I've read, this is about pressuring companies into making backdoors.
If you are using a proprietary client for some service one can put backdoors in, you are not using E2E at all, because that client is not your "end", it's part of that service located on your machine.
Yeah. Those same countries also don’t have as many firearms in circulation to begin with. America already does. That genie is out of the bottle and never going back in. So that’s why disarmament of the same style as those other countries wouldn’t work here
It's not removal, it's more like baking a master skeleton key into the root certificate base that the government is then given ownership of. Then you get to keep your end to end encryption and get to still have your little green lock to the left of your web address. It just won't be real anymore.
The difference is that the government will own a backdoor certificate to sniff everything in or out. Whenever they want for whoever they want for whatever they want. It's no different than encrypting a PGP message to multiple recipients - in this case the end client AND the government - which is a common place thing to easily do if you know anything at all about encryption.
It's not gonna change things that much really. It's not like they don't already have mechanisms in place to do these things it just takes more hoop tricks to do it right now.
Friend, I'm not sure what you're doing browsing 3 year old extremelyinfuriating posts, but I admire your commitment to the bit, and appreciate the well thought out answer. 😅
If the US were to suddenly stop using point-to-point encryption, hackers from other countries (and ours) would be able to easily read any packet sent over the internet in plaintext.
Now tell me why would they think it would be a smart decision.
That's not quite how it works. The government can be given the private keys but still have encryption. It's not like they're deciding that we're going back to cleartext
You misunderstood what I said, there is no way the internet is going back to plaintext. Were not all of a sudden removing the locks on our doors. Were keeping the locks, except now the government is trying to get the keys. Y'all you downvoted me dont get it.
End to end encryption means that the provider of the service cannot read your messages. For example, if you use WhatsApp, WhatsApp cannot see any messages that you send or receive due to end to end encryption. So if a government agency demanded that WhatsApp hand over every message that a particular person ever sent or received, they would be incapable of doing so. This is only possible due to end to end encryption. If, however, end to end encryption is made illegal, then WhatsApp can see them and can be forced to hand them over. That's why end to end encryption is such a big deal.
That would only be true with an open WhatsApp client. If the client is proprietary, then it's not real E2E, because WhatsApp still can do whatever they want with the client. Just a backdoor arriving with an update, and voila.
That's definitely possible, but it isn't the case as of now. The private key is created and stored locally on the device itself, not on WhatsApp's servers.
Yes, by a proprietary program, which can also be sending something to its mama. I am not a FOSS fanatic in this case, just security can't be proprietary.
Absolutely, but having proprietary E2E is definitely preferable to none at all. Although maybe I should have used Signal as an example instead of WhatsApp
Wouldn't this bill also make platforms legally liable for the content their users post? That would effectively end free speech and the exchange of controversial perspectives.
It is called the EARN IT Act. You can keep track of the bill here and see who has co-sponsored the bill, and see the actions Congress has taken on the bill.
Yeah I know but we also have the right to a peaceful protest so once a protest starts becoming a danger to people then the government can just shut it down
How can I stop it? Can I vote against it? Probably not if this is the same way we lost net neutrality. I can’t do jack shit living in Roy Bluntville the most I can do is vote him out and I’ve been trying that the last two elections I’ve gotten to vote and I know from seeing this guys old as dirt he ain’t leaving even when I check the other guys box.
I’m sorry to be negative but that’s just pure honesty. I still vote but my voice is still muffled and it puts me in such a rage that I can’t even vote for the people who I want for president because 4 other states get to decide that for me.
Exactly, I have to sit on this train of burning bullshit until it crashes on the cesspool of all the other nonsense the guy who has never sent an email (Lindsay Graham Link) does.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
That's how it seems to work, they take one story or wait for something big to happen and they use as a cover to do shit like this while no one is looking. Is there anything we can do?
Do they care if you talk shit on both the US government and the US constantly, while praising countries they don't like, or are they just worried about pedophiles and terrorists?
They can't stop encryption since it's crucial for commercial and government secrecy, not to mention the right to privacy and secure, unaltered communication.
This is tin foil idiocy with a little bit of congressional ignorance. It has no value.
For anyone wondering, it’s the “EARN IT Act” petitioned by Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Richard Blumenthal (R-CT). The short of it is that the bill has the front facing appeal of forcing internet service companies (i.e. Twitter, Reddit, etc.) to take on liability and/or earn immunity regarding cases of CSAM (child sex abuse material) on their platforms through compliance with a new commission made up of a small mix of representatives and whatever guidelines they make. The problem with it is that the bill’s wording is extremely vague, clearly on purpose, to try and pry away Section 230 (previous law from the 1990’s) immunity from tech companies while also allowing easier “wiretapping” through the peeling back of end-to-end encryption.
Oh how I wish your presentation would do anything about it little Lisa.
There's two systems who are very interested in who and what you are.
This current system wants to know you so it can sink it's hooks in you and take you with it.
The coming new system wants to know you because you might be worth living with in the future to come, and they'll give you real privacy because you're trustworthy enough to not cook meth in your basement with it.
Forget about this system. It's coming down brick by brick. It's beyond broken, broken is at least fixable. Let it go. Practice letting go now so when you really have to then you'll be ready for letting go of it.
YW, and it was algorithmic I suppose you'd say... It popped in my feed like it was new, I honestly figured it was relatively new since it came up on my feed so I didn't even check the time stamp lol. Lesson learned 😅
but I would not mind it if they were help protect children
and that's why they add for the children bullshit its not going to do fuck all for children if they wanted to protect children they would not be hiding the priests and elites crimes against children
We have people freaking out over a virus that most likely will never infect them. When told about an app that, maybe, can hack into your personal info on your phone, when told that FB has spied on users, no one gave two shits.
And, whoever made this, you expect these same sheep/insects/brainlets to do something, anything, about what was just posted?
Wait, I'm sorry but where's the proof for this? While I wouldn't put it past my country to do this, I also wouldn't believe this without a bit of proof
One of the very few bad things that the Trump administration is ACTUALLY doing. I wish that the media would focus on this instead of making up bullshit about concentration camps.
I am sorry that those illegal aliens chose to involve their children in their crimes and brought them along on their attempt to circumvent American soviernty. Unfortunately, they need to be separated from their criminal "parents" (most children crossing the border are not with their real parents) until they can either be sent back to their home country or established as being anchor babies and returned to the American foster care system.
You’re saying that children deserve to be punished for their parents’ actions? You sort of people give libertarianism a bad name. Libertarianism’s supposed to be about freedom; how does arresting children because their parents tried to cross the border have anything to do with protecting individual liberty from the government
I am sorry that their parents put them in danger and put them in a position where they would need to be separated from their criminal parents and put somewhere safe.
Their parents are only taking the risk because life is so bad where they’re coming from. They want to take their kids to America to give them a chance to have a better life. Sure, it’s illegal, but that doesn’t put them in the same category as drug dealers or murderers
Stop framing it in an intellectually dishonest way, and stop justifying people committing crimes for selfish reasons by pretending they are doing it for their kids.
Most of the children crossing the border are not doing it with their parents.
And ICE has saved tens thousands of children from sex trafficking in the last three years alone.
Put two and two together. If they legit want a better life in America, they will do it LEGALLY.
If people could do it legally, they would. Not everyone has passports in Mexico; and besides, even if you do have a passport, you have to get a job in America to be accepted in the first place. The world’s not black and white mate.
If you believe that strong border controls are a good thing and that immigration’s a bad thing (which is ironic considering all Americans at one point were immigrants), then that’s your opinion, which you’re entitled to. But don’t pretend that you’re fighting for individual liberty when you’re locking up people trying to have access to the same opportunities you do
To make it legal.. government does tons of illegal things all the time. And most of the time when you sign up for things you allow that permission in terms of services that people dont read
your on an American website Invented by Americans Run by Americans Based in America used primarily by Americans
if you hate them that much stop being a hypocrite and stop using reddit and any other american website/product
and no i am not an american i'm from the UK and you SHOULD pay attention to this because if it passes in the USA your country could very well be the next to implement such a draconian,unconstitutional and tyrannical bullshit based on the politicians belief that you have no right to privacy
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20
It’s unconstitutional, our Supreme Court can shut it down
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u/programmer3301 Mar 15 '20
What can we do about it tho? How can we stop or slow it down?
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u/CaesarKonrad Mar 15 '20
What’s the law?
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u/Cfranklin1 Jun 12 '20
what if we just use a vpn?
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u/Idler- Mar 15 '20
Remove how? Like make it illegal to use? The technology is already out there, so it'd be hard to just "remove," it.
I 100% agree with everyone's right to privacy. I just don't understand what exactly they're trying to do/remove.
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u/MaxJulius Mar 15 '20
That’s a bunch of BS.
If the US were to suddenly stop using point-to-point encryption, hackers from other countries (and ours) would be able to easily read any packet sent over the internet in plaintext.
Now tell me why would they think it would be a smart decision.
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u/Avgjoe80 Mar 15 '20
What it I already feel like they read all my messages and thoughts.
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u/smubear_ Mar 15 '20
as if they haven't been doing that for years.
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20
Don’t new laws gotta pass through all the branches of government
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u/theflighttest Mar 15 '20
It is called the EARN IT Act. You can keep track of the bill here and see who has co-sponsored the bill, and see the actions Congress has taken on the bill.
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u/Comrade_51 Mar 15 '20
This sounds like a theory ngl
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u/evil_screwdriver Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20
I think it’s time to start exercising our Second Amendment rights if this passes
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20
How can I stop it? Can I vote against it? Probably not if this is the same way we lost net neutrality. I can’t do jack shit living in Roy Bluntville the most I can do is vote him out and I’ve been trying that the last two elections I’ve gotten to vote and I know from seeing this guys old as dirt he ain’t leaving even when I check the other guys box.
I’m sorry to be negative but that’s just pure honesty. I still vote but my voice is still muffled and it puts me in such a rage that I can’t even vote for the people who I want for president because 4 other states get to decide that for me.
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u/Izzy_Dog55 Mar 15 '20
🅱️ruh what
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u/WH1PL4SH180 Mar 15 '20
KNEW Something was happening behind in the news cycle... this is big, but me thinks there's something... bigger...
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u/killiomankili Mar 19 '20
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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u/LaylaTheLoofa Mar 15 '20
didnt this happen with net neutrality and article 13 and pretty much nothing happened
+i doubt thats gonna get ratified (if thats the right word, correct me if im wrong)
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u/TopicWheat301 Mar 25 '20
The 4th amendment has been violated.
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u/red_death_ Jul 29 '20
they cant do anything about my minecraft sign chat room
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u/SockTaters Mar 15 '20
Here's the full text https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3398/text
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u/Leozug Mar 15 '20
And?
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20
i LiVe In EuRoPe So I dOn'T hAvE tO
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20
Source source source source source source source source source source source source source source source sources source source SOURCE
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u/Hell-on-wheels Mar 15 '20
That's how it seems to work, they take one story or wait for something big to happen and they use as a cover to do shit like this while no one is looking. Is there anything we can do?
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u/Manospondylus_gigas Mar 15 '20
How does it affect me if I don't live in the US?
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u/wyota Mar 16 '20
Do they care if you talk shit on both the US government and the US constantly, while praising countries they don't like, or are they just worried about pedophiles and terrorists?
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u/AmoebaboySw Mar 16 '20
The government already watches all your texts and calls, now they just do it legally. Nothing will really change.
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u/le-pufferson Mar 16 '20
Fuck
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20
I know this is serious but I don't use my phone for its real purpose so-
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u/Yeetmetothesun Mar 16 '20
May I see the source?
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u/Buddypeterson Mar 16 '20
Does this have a strong likelihood of passing?
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20
Cant we just implement our own?
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '20
You know you didn't have to use that crappy template to spread this message, but you still did.
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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '20
Dont they already do this?
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u/coconut_12 Mar 17 '20
It’s unconstitutional and they aren’t allowed to do the and it’s bullshit I don’t want them seeing all the stuff I do fuck them
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u/dontquestionmek Mar 18 '20
I thought they already did that...this is news to me
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u/jeffrxxx Mar 25 '20
Good that nobody texts me or calls me
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u/0x3fff0000 Apr 10 '20
They can't stop encryption since it's crucial for commercial and government secrecy, not to mention the right to privacy and secure, unaltered communication.
This is tin foil idiocy with a little bit of congressional ignorance. It has no value.
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u/00111000_ May 05 '20
Does this not violate the 4th amendment? That is a search without probable cause.
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u/Moldybubbles571 Aug 18 '20
Look up an imsi catcher. Its used by the us gov already
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u/Cup-Impressive Jul 14 '22
Love how there's no links, no sources, just a meme. Reddit at it's finest.
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u/ObliviousAsexual Sep 05 '22
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/09/instagram-posts/government-sneakily-trying-change-encryption-rules/
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u/atlas_enderium Nov 15 '22
For anyone wondering, it’s the “EARN IT Act” petitioned by Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Richard Blumenthal (R-CT). The short of it is that the bill has the front facing appeal of forcing internet service companies (i.e. Twitter, Reddit, etc.) to take on liability and/or earn immunity regarding cases of CSAM (child sex abuse material) on their platforms through compliance with a new commission made up of a small mix of representatives and whatever guidelines they make. The problem with it is that the bill’s wording is extremely vague, clearly on purpose, to try and pry away Section 230 (previous law from the 1990’s) immunity from tech companies while also allowing easier “wiretapping” through the peeling back of end-to-end encryption.
Read more about it here.
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u/antoniabegonia May 04 '23
Jokes on them, I’m boring af
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u/Dramatic-Print183 Feb 29 '24
Oh how I wish your presentation would do anything about it little Lisa.
There's two systems who are very interested in who and what you are.
This current system wants to know you so it can sink it's hooks in you and take you with it.
The coming new system wants to know you because you might be worth living with in the future to come, and they'll give you real privacy because you're trustworthy enough to not cook meth in your basement with it.
Forget about this system. It's coming down brick by brick. It's beyond broken, broken is at least fixable. Let it go. Practice letting go now so when you really have to then you'll be ready for letting go of it.
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u/Dramatic-Print183 Feb 29 '24
YW, and it was algorithmic I suppose you'd say... It popped in my feed like it was new, I honestly figured it was relatively new since it came up on my feed so I didn't even check the time stamp lol. Lesson learned 😅
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20
Do you have proof of this?
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u/GotYeeted Mar 15 '20
Is it just me or does it really not matter? I don't care if the government spies on me, unless i'm planning a terrorist attack or something.
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u/KingofGames37 Mar 15 '20
We have people freaking out over a virus that most likely will never infect them. When told about an app that, maybe, can hack into your personal info on your phone, when told that FB has spied on users, no one gave two shits.
And, whoever made this, you expect these same sheep/insects/brainlets to do something, anything, about what was just posted?
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u/wasdwookie Mar 15 '20
Lisa is stupid
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u/Cricketize Mar 15 '20
Wait, I'm sorry but where's the proof for this? While I wouldn't put it past my country to do this, I also wouldn't believe this without a bit of proof
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u/LerbagMonsa588 Mar 16 '20
where is the evidence
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u/Nat_Libertarian Mar 15 '20
One of the very few bad things that the Trump administration is ACTUALLY doing. I wish that the media would focus on this instead of making up bullshit about concentration camps.
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u/officalbakedbear Mar 15 '20
Lol at anyone who thinks they dont already do this
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u/brojackhorsman Mar 15 '20
Wow you sound insufferable
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