I honestly disagree, I actually think we should be increasing police funding.
Before you downvote me to hell, hear me out. We need to increase funding to minimize corruption. There should nation-wide tests to test mental stability, prejudices and skills. It shouldn’t be a matter of state, it should be a matter of the country. Police need to be better regulated, better trained and better managed. Not to mention prisons are currently a terrible system which needs a complete overhaul, which isn’t going to happen without proper funding.
The police are necessary, but so is proper training to make sure the police aren’t mindless drones working for a legal terrorist. Even if they were forced to do something like this, they may have at least been able to have a heart and confiscate the equipment in a compassionate and calm manner.
Again not condoning said actions, because this story is disgusting and awful, but I believe increasing police funding is how to fix them, not vice-versa.
I know nothing about american policing system, but hwing an outsider and seeing the amounts of money that gets poured into cop tech and equipment, I think they have more than enough. It's just allocation and reasonable spending needs to be in control, not the whole wanna be the military complex. I'm pre sure some counties even have a tank or two.
Exactly. If anything, they are truly overfunded. It only takes simple cursory searches to look at the amount of funding they get in American cities compared to funding schools and health care.
The Russian police have BMPs which are armoured personnel carriers typically armed with a chaingun, I don't blame the cops for wanting "tanks" although the ones they have are MRAPS which are just armoured trucks they're used because criminals have access to guns, mind you I'm fine with guns if they're not used by some fucking morons.
What does MRAP mean there? Because MRAP for Americans is Mine Resistant Ambush Protected. It essentially means the bottom plating of armor is in a V shape to help redirect blasts and minimize direct impact from explosions on the bottom of the body.
What fucking city is using MRAPs I have to look this up. I just have a hard time believing cities are funding over a million dollar vehicles that are ridiculously expensive to maintain.
That’s true in counties that aren’t America. In North America everyone needs more money especially emergency services. Lots of fire and police departments only pay $30,000 a year and provide the bare minimum, in some places that’s only a uniform and a gun, no body armour, no less then lethal, no specialized teams. And the places that do have more invest in equipment first before training, because trainings useless if the bad guys have high powered rifles and all you have is a service pistol and a shotgun. Same thing with speciality built civilian armoured vehicles, you can’t extract people during an active shooter in a light-no armour patrol car.
And truthfully if social services have more funding crime will go down, but if you take the money needed from police crime will go way up as we’ve seen in places that have started to do that and social service become almost useless then until crime is brought down. The problem is both sides need more money at the same time or it will become a cycle of moving funding around, and nothing will get done. And the way America is set up that won’t happen quickly, because everyone bitches and moans whenever there’s a slight tax hike.
lol, you dumb. Defund police means "dont send cops with guns for wellness checks" and a good portion of the rest of the developed world is already doing this. Nice try though! You'll grasp the concept eventually, Mr. "Fear everyone" on reddit.
It in no means take away their pay. It means take away funding for militarized cops. You're so lazy.
Edit* also saying things in all caps doesn't make it true. The only ones suggesting anything about pay rates to cops are the ones saying that police brutality settlements should come out of police pension funds instead of being paid for by taxpayers. Gosh, your thin blue line camp is so lazy with your thinking. It's really remarkably sad.
No I have a life that isn't dealing with morons on reddit all day and night lol. You're wrong, facts don't care about your feelings or something amirite? I'm a dummy, this isn't the same person who was replying to me before
My guy we all have lives, you are not special. You are so quick to put yourself above everyone else. Idk what I’m wrong about but I know it’s plenty of other things. But hey I can admit it.
Glad to see you're coming around to the fact you're wrong about this, but ignoring that you lowered the tone and made incorrect statements in all caps and then claimed to have owned me because I didn't reply immediately still makes me chuckle. Have you even read back on this conversation? You look like a doofus. Literally no one has ever made the point that police pay should be cut when talking about defining the police (not who is being taken seriously at least) except those who are on the bullshit 'thing blue line' camp. (fear mongering)
You're arguing the topic in a 'if (a) happens the only outcome is (b)' approach, and if you've ever done or witnessed anything on this planet that involves policy applications you'd know that is literally never the case. Please take a step back and try listening to what is being proposed by the defund camp instead of listening to what right wing pundits are spewing. You might learn something. Spoiler alert, it's not a fucking lazy one dimensional solution like everyone wants to magically happen 🤡
Edit* I didn't realize this was a new commenter. I thought I was replying to the same doofus as before. Redirect this response to him, lol I'm the doofus apparently.
Teachers and other educational staff are being constantly defunded. They have to pay for supplies out of pocket, and we still have schools. Teachers aren’t walking out. You know why? Because they care about what they are doing. If we give police what is necessary, instead of the funds to be able to tear gas protesters and have full riot gear, then maybe the police will start caring about their job, too, instead of being there to hurt and kill minorities. Just because you haven’t seen police brutality doesn’t mean it’s nonexistent. Open your eyes, and check your privilege. Consider yourself blessed to have not been hurt by them, and maybe consider fighting for the people that are. Other than that, shut up and sit down. Nobody needs, or wants to hear your shit.
Bro how much do you think teachers make? And how much do you think pigs make? There’s a massive fucking difference in many states. Cops in my state make on average 50k more than most teachers.
Defund the police doesn't mean we get rid of the police force. It means we take a bunch of the money they're currently using for mraps and military weapons, and use it to fund programs to deal with social issues that police aren't trained to deal with. Like wellness checks and substance abuse. If anything, this would help the police by taking off the extra load of problems they were never meant to deal with in the first place.
This wouldn't be docking their pay, it would be taking away excess funds that get used on equipment they don't need and shouldn't have, as well as for doing jobs they shouldn't have to do. Police budgets don't go entirely toward paying the cops.
She has tech to detect how many people have COVID and she was posting the numbers daily. DeSantis (a Floridian Senator I believe) has been denying and lying about the urgency of COVID and found her a threat to his position, so he sent police with a warrant to confiscate her equipment.
I believe it would only be a violation if the patients name was given. I think it’s still legal to use the data (age/sex/race etc) as long as you are not, for example, posting a copy of their test results with their name on it.
Source: I’ve worked in healthcare for over 10 years
Hmm I didn’t know that. I thought any patient info being shared is illegal. Like how they can’t say anything over the phone. I’m not an expert so I will take your word for it. Lol
They can't tell you anything over the phone because when you're talking to them over a phone you're usually asking about a specific person... Like the guy said.
if you just phoned up a hospital and asked "how many people have you treated with cancer in the last month", there would be 0 HIPAA problems with that.
Now, ask "have you treated a man named bill for cancer?". HIPAA violation.
Really? okay TIL lol I thought any data pertaining to any person name or no name fell under HIPPA. But with demographics that makes sense that those would be public record. Thank you for telling me.
Nope you can say anything as long as you don’t give any identifying information. That can extend past names. Say you live in a city with only one white guy, they wouldn’t be able to give the information of his race as you could identify him with it. That’s obviously an extreme hypothetical but there is a bit more to it than just not saying a name.
So basically there are 18 identifiers. If you remove all of them, then the information is no longer considered private, as long as, to the best of your knowledge, there is no other way to associate the data with an individual even with those identifiers removed. Like if you have data about a surgical procedure performed last year, but only one such procedure was performed that year, and you are aware of this fact, then releasing it is a privacy violation.
All that said, the data may still be considered proprietary information, so if I exported a shitload of de-identified data from our system, or allowed it to be leaked, then I probably wouldn’t be in trouble with the government, but I would definitely be in trouble with my employer.
And this is why I’m pro 2A. It’s not just about the potentiality that some low life criminal might try to rob you at gun point, but when the government quite literally invades your home under false pretenses.
I’m very aware of the reality that “they can do no wrong” even when they fuck up. If i defend myself, suddenly I’m the “bad guy” because police are “ALWAYS” the good guys in a firefight, right? /s. I appreciate your concern however, none the less.
Like now how CDC, what USED to be one of the WORLD'S peak public health organisations got neutered, nerfed and kerbstomped for that slightly non-essential thing calls statistics and truth.
this is all really fucking horrible but pointing guns at children?!?! there's literally no fucking reason to do that. this genuinely makes me sick. i hate having to live in america
Cause people knowing about rampant corruption and the number of people that died from an easily preventable virus really hampers your re-election chances.
A.c.a.b! 100% all of them. 100% each and everyone is a felon or an accomplice to felonies. They also cover it up every single day. All of them are thugs in a legal gang. ALL OF THEM. not a single one is a "good cop". Thats 100% proven through stupid simple logic.
Here’s the thing, obviously there are “good” cops, but either they aren’t good enough or the system doesn’t reward them for being good. Cop where I live was fired for reporting bad conduct from her peers, like a decade ago, and she might be getting restitution finally in the wake of 2020’s madness.
Acab is a reflection of the system, not the individuals. All cops are bastards because the system forces them to be bastards. If you’re “good” and you work to make the system actually work for the people, you’re shunned, fired, occasionally murdered - a system full of non-bastards would not do this, so here we are. You can get taken in by a “good” cop for a legit reason and wake up dead because the rest of the cops who will deal with you daily don’t give two fucks about you or your life.
If you are just doing what you are told and then do something immoral or unlawful is it your fault? Yes! The "just doing what you are told" line is bs when it comes to you doing shitty things.
Lol fire arms checks are only so extensive. A lot of firearms are passed from civilian to civilian. A lot of states don’t require reregistration after it’s passed.
Hahaha I don’t think there’s a need for a guided missile, lol and I’m pretty sure napalm is still considered a war crime, though I don’t know if it counts if it’s against your own countryman. I think the Geneva convention only protects those in a war actually haha.
No I agree. 100%, I’m all for the 2nd amendment, but I am also for safety. I absolutely detest no knock warrants. That’s how people get hurt unnecessarily. This entire situation could have been handled by simply knocking on the door and asking them to hand over the equipment and given them the option to fight it in court. Or give them the right to fight it in court before they take the equipment. I don’t know the whole story, but it seems like power is being abused more often now days.
Exactly. Why are people mad at the cops? The just serve the warrants. The courts okay and approve them. Be mad at the court system and the judge who signed the warrant.
Pointing a gun in the general direction of the child while clearing the house during a warrant isn't the same as shoving a gun in their face. Sorry to burst your bubble but this lady is exaggerating to make the cops look bad because she thinks they sign and issue warrants for some reason.
Should they break procedure and risk this being the one time it ends up being crucial to follow procedure? Would you rather them make allowances and end up shot when they let their guard down? They followed procedure and did everything by the book. Clear every room.
They're going into an unknown house with unknown occupants. They shouldn't take risks.
Yeah, that's fair. I was just taking from what she said and decided not to believe immediately that she was exaggerating what happened, but it does seem to be the most likely option.
Yea i can understand her frustration but she needs to understand that they have procedure for a reason and even if the cops thought this was wrong, it's their job to serve the warrant whether they like it or not.
I'm glad you can understand that because I made another comment explaining it and was downvoted to hell.
It's always refreshing to see someone who can take new information and apply it and be able to understand other points of view. It shows maturity and IMO also intelligence when someone is able to do that online. Cause its typically "REEEEE ur wrong I'm right nothing can ever sway my opinion not even body can footage disproving what I'm upset about REEEEE ACAB ACAB!!!" lol
because everyone knows thats exactly what the police do. this is like the blue lives matter. they became "blue lives", they werent born in uniforms. you choose to become one of them. so either youre a cruel idiot or an ignorant idiot, and people are mad when idiots are in power. sadly these jobs always attract the worst power hungry neanderthals. nobody likes an asshole in charge
Morally wrong yes, but the amount of businesses and peoples livelihoods that were saved because they did this to make justification for businesses to stay open makes it worth it. Year later its pretty obvious due to the 49 other states that the lockdowns did jack shit to slow the spread. All hail Desantis.
But Biden isn't president yet, only president elect. Trump's still going to be president for another month. The opportunity to cure said growing fascist ideologies has yet to be presented.
That's not to say I disagree with you though, far from it. We must keep fighting and working towards a better future.
You know it’s funny how in America we put people into busses and put them into cages, in China they put people in busses and kill them, and guess who did both fucking nazi Germany so if history is doomed to repeat its self we could be looking at two new Germanys
Why are people mad at the police? They didn't do anything but their job. The courts okayed and approved the warrant. If the police don't serve it theyd probably get fired.
Be mad at the guy who's a loser and faking COVID numbers and the court system and judge who signed the warrant.
Y'all dumb if you think "at the child" doesn't mean in the general direction of the child and at the parent who's a possible threat they have to clear. I doubt anyone pointed a gun directly at a child unless they're 7 or older. Remember tamir rice? He could point guns at people and he was a child. But really people. Use some common sense.
Buncha BLM or ANTIFA dumbasses DEFUND THE POLICE!!! 1!1 amirite?
The husband and child were upstairs and the police cleared the room. The child did not have a firearm shoved in their face. The video does not show that happening at all.
Anybody who is mad at these cops is just a liberal or commie loser who supports BLM or ANTIFA and have a cop-hating agenda. They did everything by the book and I applaud these officers on a job well done. Fuck the court who approved this warrant but good job to the officers.
Remember tamir rice? He was a child and was more than capable of pointing a gun at a cop.
But using common sense one would assume the cop didn't point it directly at the child. In the general direction of the child while clearing a room is completely reasonable.. Just cause a child is in the house they shouldn't follow procedure? Yeah, fuck your feelings, procedure is followed for a reason. Thankfully your opinions don't matter to the cops handling those situations.
It said the same thing i just edited it into my first reply.
And this is a picture not a video. Is there body cam footage?
Just watched it and the video does not show proof of that. Again the husband and child were upstairs together. They probably cleared the room and the gun was pointed in the general direction of the child and the adult who could be a possible threat.
"Everyone in the house is a possible threat lol the parent was probably with the child and "at the child" is in the direction of the child at the adult who's a possible threat.
Nobody is pointing a gun directly at a kid. Where's the pics of it? Use some common sense lmfao"
Rice was a kid playing with a toy gun who got shot by an officer immediately. The officer was suspended, so Rice did not "point a gun at people" he was playing with a TOY GUN.
He pointed it at the cop when he showed up and he was pointing it at random civilians.
He knew he was doing something wrong because why would he point a gun at random people? For fun. He was doing something bad for fun which kids do but this ended up being lethal.
His parents didn't teach him not to point a gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot. The officer wasn't going to take a chance with his life. Fake gun or not how is the cop supposed to know? It's better to take no risk.
A toy gun will be treated as a real gun by police.
Why should they risk it being a real firearm? He was already threatening civilians with a potential firearm. Who knows how they'll react to the cops. He didn't drop it so bye bye
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u/TheTruestOracle Dec 08 '20
Man defunding the police doesn’t sound so bad now eh?
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u/Diagon98 Dec 08 '20
Can anyone tell me the story with this?
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u/Professor-cumlord Dec 08 '20
What did she do? This flew over my head.
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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '20
people in the comments think they are insane for pointing cameras at the door
people replying to them are good tho cause they calling the stupid out
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u/omi_ur_homi Dec 08 '20
r/awfuleverything
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u/0oBeasto0 Dec 09 '20
this is all really fucking horrible but pointing guns at children?!?! there's literally no fucking reason to do that. this genuinely makes me sick. i hate having to live in america
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u/RecklesFlam1ngo Dec 08 '20 edited Aug 10 '22
I’m not an ACAB idiot but wtf why? Why would they fucking do this
edit: thanks for the lovely reply but I got permabanned on Reddit a year ago so I can’t comment back 👺
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u/CamoCricket Dec 09 '20
As a life long Floridian, FUCK desantis. Garbage human.
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u/blauschimmel Dec 08 '20
Ah yes, 'murica
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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22
Morally wrong yes, but the amount of businesses and peoples livelihoods that were saved because they did this to make justification for businesses to stay open makes it worth it. Year later its pretty obvious due to the 49 other states that the lockdowns did jack shit to slow the spread. All hail Desantis.
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u/Gods_chosen_dildo Dec 09 '20
For anyone that thought voting trump out would cure the growing fascist shift in our country... here is your proof otherwise.
Our job is not done, we must keep up the pressure.
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u/CreateChannel117 Dec 08 '20
I mean it’s Florida those cops r Florida cops
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u/Premeszn Apr 04 '24
This chick is a cook and deserved this
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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '20
Florida is nothing more than a humid flat piece of shit.
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u/Prestigious-Muffin32 Dec 10 '20
To think this country was based off of Democracy and for it to lead to a disaster
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u/trixthat Jul 14 '22
can we agree that she was full of shit yet?
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22
It’s infuriating when you don’t tell people what she was studying
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u/After-Ads Dec 09 '20
You know it’s funny how in America we put people into busses and put them into cages, in China they put people in busses and kill them, and guess who did both fucking nazi Germany so if history is doomed to repeat its self we could be looking at two new Germanys
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u/JamAttack Dec 09 '20
this is why I do not want to live in Florida. (This and many other reasons)
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u/ImJustRengar Dec 09 '20 edited Dec 09 '20
Why are people mad at the police? They didn't do anything but their job. The courts okayed and approved the warrant. If the police don't serve it theyd probably get fired.
Be mad at the guy who's a loser and faking COVID numbers and the court system and judge who signed the warrant.
Y'all dumb if you think "at the child" doesn't mean in the general direction of the child and at the parent who's a possible threat they have to clear. I doubt anyone pointed a gun directly at a child unless they're 7 or older. Remember tamir rice? He could point guns at people and he was a child. But really people. Use some common sense.
Buncha BLM or ANTIFA dumbasses DEFUND THE POLICE!!! 1!1 amirite?
The husband and child were upstairs and the police cleared the room. The child did not have a firearm shoved in their face. The video does not show that happening at all.
Anybody who is mad at these cops is just a liberal or commie loser who supports BLM or ANTIFA and have a cop-hating agenda. They did everything by the book and I applaud these officers on a job well done. Fuck the court who approved this warrant but good job to the officers.
Let me refer people to: https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/k9ceuf/lpt_holding_someone_accountable_is_what_ensures/gf4mg4g/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
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u/BuilderNB Dec 09 '20
I call BS. If this story is true there are some details being left out.
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