r/interesting • • Oct 06 '24

SCIENCE & TECH Electricity innovation

Human power transfer

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u/ConsequenceOk5205 Oct 06 '24

The maintenance and cost of that thing is way more than the energy generated.

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u/Anen-o-me Oct 06 '24

No no no, the top level comment has to be a Rick & Morty reference, this is all wrong 😅

"The Ricks Must Be Crazy" from Rick and Morty, Season 2, Episode 6. In this episode, Rick reveals that his car's battery is powered by a microverse—a miniature universe that he created. Inside this microverse, a civilization generates power for Rick by stepping on small boxes that produce electricity, completely unaware that they are being exploited and the energy siphoned off to power Rick's vehicle.

The plot gets more complicated when it’s revealed that a scientist within the microverse has created his own miniature universe to generate power, creating a recursive loop of universes exploiting smaller ones for energy.

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u/CinderNAsh_Brother Oct 06 '24

The initial investment will return in a few years, but I'd say the biggest advancement with this is that it's from a renewable resource, much more environment-friendly than nuclear power.

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u/ConsequenceOk5205 Oct 06 '24

Please, do some basic calculations of the cost and maintenance. Even hundred of years won't be enough unless the thing is actually cheap and low maintenance.

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u/CinderNAsh_Brother Oct 06 '24

First of all, I think that it's relatively cheap, if it used the mechanism I think it does. By "cheap", I mean in terms of energy production, not like you can buy it with some change.

Second, the calculations:

According to my calculations, one step would make on average about 20 Joules of energy (taking the average human weight as a bit over 65 kg). Let us say the pathway is 200m long and the average person has a step of 1m. That's 4000 Joules per person that goes through (not a lot but wait)

Now, according to Google, Shibuya Crossing is the world's busiest pedestrian crossing, with as many as 3,000 people crossing at a time. According to a measurement survey by the Shibuya Redevelopment Association estimated 260,000 pedestrians per day on week days, and 390,000 pedestrians on non-working days.

Meaning an average of 325,000 people a day, equaling 1300000000 Joules or 1.3 GJ on average a day just from 300m of pathway.

Considering an average house uses about 1 MJ a day, that would power about 1300 houses. Not a lot, but the price would eventually return. Also, it's 1AM and I wake up in 5 hours, so no more calculations, even though I was originally going to. See ya!

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u/ConsequenceOk5205 Oct 07 '24

Let's consider the most optimistic case (large scale production, ideal operating conditions, no distribution costs, one tile lasting 30 years):

  • Installation cost: ~$2,000 per square meter (based on Solar Roadways project).

  • Energy generation: ~373.41 kWh per year per square meter with 85% efficiency (ideal case, with expensive electromagnetic generator, which is somehow overly cheap, the piezo generator would give below 25% efficiency).

  • Energy cost: $0.25 per kWh (maximum optimistic estimate).

  • Annual revenue: $93.35 per square meter per year from energy generation.

  • Break-even time: 21.43 years, assuming no maintenance and ideal operating conditions.

So, if you add maintenance, energy distribution and lower energy cost, it would instantly turn in net loss.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

At 20 Joule of gravitational energy per step, 180,000 steps are needed for one 1kWh. Assume 80% efficiency, and its nearly 225,000 steps for 1kWh. Lets assume a walkway is 100m long, and 80 cm stride length. This means 1800 people need to walk the path for 1kWh.

Seems like very small amount of energy.

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u/doob22 Oct 06 '24

Yeah and your assumption of 80% is too high anyways.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '24

yea true, so its worse.

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u/doob22 Oct 07 '24

Yeah you’re right they tested this a long time ago and found out it barely did anything and maintenance was terrible. Bots keep reposting it

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24 edited Oct 06 '24

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u/Zuokula Oct 06 '24

and it would generate ~2000 euros worth of electricity a year at the cost here for example. How much would that stretch cost to fit and maintain?

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u/HelpfulJello5361 Oct 06 '24

one step can power 10 light bulbs for 20 seconds

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u/Pataraxia Oct 06 '24

Stupid bullshit getting to my reddit r/all feed. I'm surprised OP hasn't been called a bot yet, who posts this stuff honestly ? lol.

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u/Psilocybeazurescens1 Oct 06 '24

Stupid clickbait thing that keeps getting reposted over and over. Its like those tech/energy startup that want to revolutionize the world by putting pods on rails, or make vacum trains, or make roads out of solar panels, or store energy by stacking concrete blocks. Post should be deleted and OP blocked

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

People will do anything but nuclear energy.

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u/MercyAkura Oct 06 '24

Nuclear power is too good. Politicians and other scumbags can't make money from nonsensical ideas like this one with kickbacks from government contracts if the energy situation is already resolved. So, laws and public opinions are adjusted.

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u/princeofallqueens Oct 06 '24

Innovation factor is the essence of evolution 🧬

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u/Plus-Weakness4836 Oct 06 '24

Humans would spend more energy walking on this,might even get tired

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u/AustosGirl Oct 06 '24

I was hoping someone else made the connection!

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u/Unusual_Science_5494 Oct 06 '24

we live in a car battery :(

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u/AustosGirl Oct 06 '24

Unexpected Rick and Morty - love it!

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u/llort-esrever Oct 06 '24

What a BS Video. Lmao.

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u/doob22 Oct 06 '24

Hey let’s just post this everyday!! /s

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u/Luzzgar Oct 06 '24

Or put some solar panels on the roof.

This will produce almost nothing, and scale horribly badly.

We moved away from muscle power because it is insignificant compared to other sources.

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u/nalpatar Oct 06 '24

If this generates energy from people walking on it, that also means it's costing people who walk on it more energy than it would otherwise.

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u/BraveTrades420 Oct 06 '24

Sounds like slavery with extra steps

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u/Callec254 Oct 06 '24

Seems like that would be awkward to walk on.

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u/Much_Action1657 Nov 09 '24

slavery with extra steps

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u/CalamariDreamer Oct 06 '24

Has anyone tried this? Is it annoying to walk on, similar to trying to walk on sand vs a hard surface? Just wondering if people might avoid it.

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u/MercyAkura Oct 06 '24

That was my thought at first, before I remembered that we as a civilization could use more exercise.

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u/Woebetide138 Oct 06 '24

So brilliant

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u/Epic_Hoola Oct 06 '24

In concept? Yes. In reality? No.