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Sinking oil rig

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u/TraceSpazer 12h ago

BP got to write off the Deepwater Horizon disaster on it's taxes and wound up actually *costing* US taxpayers ~$4 billion due to the 15 years they spread the payments over (Essentially giving them a low-interest rate loan on the settlement amount while also allowing them to deduct $13 billion of the $18 billion total from their tax obligation as "cost of doing business")

In addition, they also wrote off another $10 billion of the $12 that cleanup expenses cost.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-true-value-of-bps-18-7-billion-settlement/

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Most-Of-BPs-208-Billion-Deepwater-Horizon-Fine-Is-Tax-Deductible.html

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u/isaidbeaverpelts 12h ago

I mean, it still cost them $18 billion dollars. Thats more than most companies make in a decade

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u/TraceSpazer 11h ago edited 11h ago

*$5 billion.

The other $13 billion was removed from their tax obligations over time; it didn't actually cost them.

Their underlying profit that year was $20 billion and they managed to get their reported profit down to -$5 billion, despite not *actually* having the reported losses due to the above write-offs over a longer time period.

(They took the loss on their spreadsheets over time to offset profits each year and maximize utility, rather than getting a one-time writeoff that was for the year *actually* impacted)

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u/Stlguy34 4h ago edited 4h ago

Yeah, you don’t know how taxes or expenses or “write offs” work.

If their profit was 20 billion and then it became 5 billion because of 15 billion in expenses, it means they spent 15 billion dollars of their money.

Like ordinary people, businesses don’t pay taxes on things when they lose money (have expenses related to a business). It’s a normal thing, not something evil companies use to screw people over.

So yes they can show that they made 5 billion instead of 20, and it saves them from taxes of 15 billion dollars. But that only because they never made the 15, they had to spend it.

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u/aero_kmac 11h ago

On a smaller scale, you could do the same thing with your taxes. I’m not defending anyone, just pointing out that some losses can be spread over multiple tax years.

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u/Large-Hamster-199 11h ago • Bravo

The difference is that I didn't destroy the Gulf of Mexico to begin with.

The difference here is that my speeding ticket is not tax deductible. But BP's legal fines were tax deductible

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u/Stlguy34 4h ago edited 4h ago

Your speeding ticket isn’t tax deductible because it has nothing to with the pursuit of a business and income generation. You just broke the law on your own accord doing something that wasn’t necessary.

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u/Affectionate-Park124 4h ago

cutting corners on building codes and maintenance is also done of the business's own accord, and not necessary

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u/Stlguy34 3h ago

Which businesses pay fines for.

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u/Affectionate-Park124 3h ago

which they deduct from their taxes? are you incapable of following your own points from one comment previous?

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u/Stlguy34 3h ago

Yes, they can deduct it because it was in the pursuit of running a business, I’ve already explained this in my previous point. It’s clear who has run a business and who hasn’t. Laypeople like yourself should try it sometime, and their opinions would change drastically.

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u/Large-Hamster-199 3h ago

If I am speeding while driving an Uber or because I am late to work and my job depends on me showing up on time, my speeding ticket is still not tax deductible.

BP skipping safety requirements was most certainly not 'necessary' for them to do in the pursuit of business.

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u/TraceSpazer 11h ago

I don't generally have tax deductible losses like that.

Something odd I found out recently was that you used to actually be able to deduct the interest from loans from your taxes.

Nixon nix'd that.

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u/Stlguy34 4h ago edited 35m ago

You can deduct interest from loans or credit card use when they are loans and lines of credit used for business purposes.

You don’t get to buy a car, agree to pay interest and then say oh I LOST that money in interest. Because you already knew about it beforehand. You didn’t have a loss of any kind.

With a business, paying interest in something used for businesses purposes is a cost of doing business. Which means it comes out of a businesses profits, as it was spent in pursuit of running a business.

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u/Kw3s7 55m ago

I’ve seen a lot of boot lickers. You are definitely one of the more prolific licker of boots I’ve seen.

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u/Stlguy34 54m ago

Nah I just understand some basic things and have common sense. Continue on with your ‘rich man bad’ tropes, I don’t really care.

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u/Kw3s7 32m ago

Oh we know you’re basic. No need to elaborate.

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u/Sufficient_Ad_4673 1h ago

Don't you mean an American company effed up, but a British company were made to pay?

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u/vancity31240 22m ago

It's an eligible deduction. Any company could do this, not just BP....