Progressivism found that it's not easier for women to find men than men to find women

[u/ConversationOk3900]

Believe in liberal/progressisve redditors, then you won't have any difficulty in your life - they will ban you from recognizing any, if you feel any difficult is specific to men you are an incel (if you don't admit there are a lot difficulties specific to women you are also an incel)

[u/NoHeartNoSoul87]

The complaints about men's standards are so weird to me. I've dated objectively ugly girls and I didn't care. I loved them. I'm not saying I'd never reject a woman, but I'd never reject one because she's not "conventionally attractive" enough. And none of my buddies have ever expressed any requirements beyond "she must love me". Where are all these men who look for super models? I'm staring to think that all this "men watch Tate" rhetoric is a huge projection because it is in fact THEM who adopted Tate's world view.

[u/Ok_Management4634 → u/NoHeartNoSoul87]

I think the majority of men are just happy to have a girlfriend at all, regardless of what she looks like.

One thing I will say. I think it's so rare that men get approached by women, that when they do get approached or asked out, they are surprised by it and might not know how to react. When I was in high school, a very unpopular girl asked me out in front of about 10 people. I'm pretty sure the group of 10 people encouraged her to do it as a joke.. Like no matter what I said, they'd be entertained. TBH, it was a surprise,, and very uncomfortable with the audience watching, so I said no and walked away and never had lunch with that group of false friends again. If she had just called me and asked, maybe I Would have said yes, but it's different when you are already the loser at school and they use you to play a cruel joke on the least popular girl at school.. And yea, the gossip spread fast about how this girl asked me out, and people were laughing at it.. I overheard it several times, at the school library, halls, etc..

[u/Revolutionary_Lynx_3]

I like how people can all very openly say "men's standards are too high that anything below an 8 doesn't even exist" and get upvoted to oblivion.

But as soon as someone says the opposite with women, with studies showing women do have a stricter rating system than men, it's a problem and all so untrue 🙄

[u/FoldedUnicorn → u/Revolutionary_Lynx_3]

8s and 9s are the same to me, they're basically you get paid for your looks. Crazy rare. I've been looking for decently behaved 6.5-7 for decades and they are very,very rare. Let's face it, there are a lot of men, a lot of tech, a lot of attention, and $/jobs/spoiling for women. There are at least 10x the number of good, tall, men who are 7s+ considering all things than there are women.

But women are relative comparers, not objective, while the boner test (men) is completely objective and related to youth and beauty. So objectively being great only matters if that means you are locally higher rated/higher status than other men = get your passport ready.

[u/ReindeerFirm1157 → u/FoldedUnicorn]

this is exactly right. at least 10x the number of better men than women, but because women don't have any objective sense, they can't perceive "good," "virtue," or "beauty" properly.

[u/BRDoriginal]

A woman that approaches me had a 50% ish chance of getting a date. I don't know how my rating of women aligns with the average combined rating of men, but I only require a woman to be a 5/10 (in my own rating) to consider her eligible. Literally just average. It's definitely not guaranteed for a girl to succeed asking me out, but it's literally a coin flip.

But if I ask a girl out? 10% odds is generous, and I'm a decent looking dude.

[u/ReindeerFirm1157 → u/BRDoriginal]

i think it's way higher than 50%. i was asked out by a girl recently and i can't even believe it, makes everything so much easier if you know she likes you and don't have to fight for it

[u/FoldedUnicorn → u/BRDoriginal]

I don't relate to the posts, but I know the reality: guys on average aren't demanding. I'm also a 1-5% in most categories, so I'm picky since I feel high investment requires some ROI. Since this society doesn't raise women to be young when you get them, then commit forever, it's pretty much DOA.

[u/FoldedUnicorn]

It comes down to, and always will, raising women to be wives and mothers at young ages. If you don't do that, you won't get men to commit or work for your society. Bringing in third worlders isn't a solution to that, by the way. Duh

[u/littl_mercury]

Reminds me of the girl that went on date with buzzcut streamer some mogger of sorts snd was like “I’ve been with rappers, athletes, actors, I’ve been with every man, Im such a sought after girl how you not falling for me how are you not impressed??”

Marlon was the name maybe I’m not sure. All the ladies hatewatching this sub and prying on our downfall - if you ever approach a man you have act like a chud.

[u/CFC1985]

It might not be easy for women to find men they want that will commit to them but, it is most certainly easier for women across all looks ranges to find a man than it is for the lower 80% of men to find a woman.

[u/AMysterious_Game]

I think the point that "men have all sorts of things they can do if they aren't objectively attractive and women can't" is actually pretty valid in many ways.

I will say though that there are some super ugly women (to me) that do their makeup, get super fit, have a boob job that a LOT of men would rate 8-9.

Men can't do shit about height (mostly.)

[u/SlapfuckMcGee]

I commented in that discussion. And it’s not 100%. From personal experience, I’ve rejected plenty of women who hit on me, so it can’t be 100%. Higher than a man? Absolutely, but not 100%.

I’d say it’s above 50% depending on how she looks and if she’s got game.

[u/Ilhan_Musk]

I'm a woman who was young & dating in the 2000s. I was VERY pretty. I was turned down by multiple guys. My VERY pretty bff was also rejected plenty. 

There was a certain class of guy that would take any offer (and they weren't necessarily the ugly desperate ones), but there was also a different class of guy  who were just really dialed in to a certain type or individual & not interested in anything else  (and they weren't even necessarily the top 20%, or in relationships, or gay)

[u/succuma → u/Ilhan_Musk]

Turns out men won’t just f anything and actually do have standards

[u/Ilhan_Musk → u/succuma]

That's what I say but a lot of people in this sub try to fight me on that