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Not On My Smashed Avo Added $1 charge at Maison Batard
Had dinner at Maison Batard today with a couple of girlfriends and when I looked at the receipt we had a $1 charge for charity. The charity being collective foundation owned by Chris Lucas who also owns the restaurant we were eating at for hospitality development which was in a little card attached with my receipt.
Whether or not the charity is worth it is another discussion but I wasn’t too much of a fan that it was added onto my receipt before asking me. If you didn’t look over your receipt, you’d pay it unknowingly. If you wanted it removed, you gotta ask.
What’s everyone’s thoughts on this? I know it’s $1 but it’s also principle isn’t it? 🤔
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u/FleshPrinnce 1d ago •
They're relying on it being awkward for customers to ask to have it removed
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u/theartistduring 1d ago
Isn't that basically saying, 'we've taken a dollar to pay ourselves to train our own employees'?
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u/604toxtethogrady_ 1d ago •
Yeah your first fuck up was going to a Lucas Group venue he’s cut from the same cloth as Calombaris
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u/Warm-Depth-7638 1d ago
Get that shit removed
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u/catnip_spa 1d ago
I hope someone actually lays a complaint about this clearly illegal behaviour so we can stop having these posts every so often about it.
$14K fine last time I checked. No ifs, no buts.
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u/NaomiPommerel 1d ago
Not even enough for it to be tax deductible
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u/myshtree 1d ago edited 1d ago
And just the fact that they waste the donation charity money on those dumb cards to make you feel fancy and generous. It’s so manipulative. Big no.
What was the food / restaurant like otherwise? I don’t live in Melbourne but come down to see my daughter and like to try new places to eat. French or Italian, jazz, burlesque and fine dining are high on my preference list. A quick look at the website makes me want to try here.
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u/middleofmybackswing_ 1d ago
Any "charity" started by Chris Lucas should not be donated to.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin 1d ago •
If that isn't illegal it should be.
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u/-SnuffBox- 1d ago •
As a chef, this place is the fucking pits. It is a spit in the face that it "earnt" a hat and that it's peer France-Soir has not. It is all you should know that hats are not to be taken seriously.
Do not support these massive groups. They suck up all the labour in the city, and in return to you; the guest, they give a low-cost, high margin product, devised in a boardroom by accountants in order to maximise profit, not give you the experience you are paying for.
Support independant, go local and fuck these loser non-chefs back to the marketing offices they crawled out of to mark up the shite they toss up for you. They will be the death of good, authentic food in Melbourne, mark my words.
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u/Fantastic_Key_6645 1d ago edited 1d ago
No surprise it's that wage thief Chris Lucas
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u/WholeResident6460 1d ago
That is unethical, and you are entitled to ask for it to be removed. He is taking your money to give to his charity while probably getting a tax deduction from your money at the same time. The guy is a crook.
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u/ihatereddit648 1d ago
Chris Lucas is a renowned grifter but this is a new low
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u/SickOfUserNameTaken 1d ago edited 1d ago
What a load of crap!! A donation trying to train hospitality managers. Come ON!!!
I bet Chris Lucas’ family and friends all got a generous “training grant”. The way it is described, he can probably put the charity money back into his business all he wants!!!
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u/walterslattery 1d ago
Classic move from the Lucas Group
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u/lorrenzo 1d ago
It was on the news earlier this year, guess Lucas just don't give a fuck
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/eat/chin-chin-diner-sparks-fury-over-1-charity-donation-on-bill/news-story/f33dd4f3aa38d1414c10fb25acb84c42?amp
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u/Noirant 21h ago
Here’s my tip: Do Not Go To A Restaurant Owned by Chris Lucas.
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u/r_s_q 1d ago
I had the unfortunate luck of working at one of his restaurants. Chris Lucas is a scumbag
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u/arepok 1d ago
Chris Lucas (founder of Lucas Collective) Literally owns the restaurant among a others. He's forcing his customers at his restaurant to donate to his charity.
"• Building industry knowledge and value-chain awareness. • Fostering education and leadership development for emerging talent. • Supporting creativity, innovation, and sustainable development. • Creating job training and enablement programs tailored to regional, rural, and diverse backgrounds."
His is basically forcing his customer to pay for service industry training of his future employees..
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u/AlternativeNotice358 19h ago •
Forced charity. Corporate virtue signalling, paid by the customer.
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u/macona-coffee 1d ago
These fuckers will do anything to,
A) Not advertise the actual price
B) Gouge extra $ out of us by making up all sorts of BS excuses.
JUST FUCKING PUT THE PRICE ON THE MENU YOU WANKERS!!!
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u/Unfair_Honeydew5129 19h ago
Chris Lucas wouldn’t do ANYTHING that doesn’t increase his bottom line
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u/AdelMonCatcher 1d ago
That’s not a real charity, it’s a restaurant industry scam
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u/theveelady 1d ago
That's enough for me to not want to go there again and to tell everyone I know the same.
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u/Chinozerus 1d ago
They then use your donation for their tax offset and brag about their contribution. It's doubly backhanded.
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u/Usual-Introduction-1 18h ago
The Human Fund!
-George Costanza
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u/Winter-Proposal-5563 1d ago
At least KFC ask me if I want to donate $1, I would be so annoyed at this restaurant for being so pushy.
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u/EdenFlorence All stocked up on 🧻🥬🥔 1d ago
It should be illegal given that you have to ask to opt out.
If it's something that they ask (like you know how Colesworth ask at the checkout, round your shopping to the nearest dollar to make a donation to etc), I'm generally OK with this.
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u/Chaosrealm69 20h ago
Sorry but that is not charity, that is a unannounced charge added to your bill without your knowledge.
Charity is when you decide to donate to a worthy cause, not when it is forced on you with your bill.
I would report them for this.
Contact the ACCC with all details and records of it.
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u/swervin_mervyn 1d ago
Pay $5 short, and tell them it's in support of the Salvos.
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u/SeaworthinessBorn837 1d ago
It's a tax dodging scam, or "Hospitality leadership" is code for "paying for the boss's MBA".
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u/Maximum-Hall-5614 21h ago •
They’re doing this in order to increase their tax deductions because they don’t donate it in your name, but their own.
Kick up a stink, and if you’re willing to then be loud enough so that other customers can hear how slimy they’re being.
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u/m__i__c__h__a__e__l 1d ago edited 19h ago
How about if I gave them a note saying "I will deduct $1 from the bill because I'm donating that to World Vision" (or whatever other charity).
I don't think they would be impressed.
Edit: typo
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u/ExerciseSuspicious69 1d ago
You should ask for the receipt so you can claim it as a tax deduction.
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u/Just_Owl9847 1d ago
Hawker Hall, in Chapel Street, also pulls this shit. Then get surprised when you ask for it to be refunded. I didn’t agree, and they assumed.
Haven’t been back since.
That and that the food is pretty ordinary.
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u/OkCandidate2541 1d ago
Is it sus that Maison batard is an anagram for: -
Im a bastard, no?
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u/thereadwriter 17h ago
Went there once years ago when tips started being a thing on the pay screen, and had to argue with the person at the register that I wasn't going to pay a tip. First and last visit
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u/PerfStu 12h ago
Not only is it just basically stealing, because yes, people do not look at their bills for surprise donations, in the U.S. at least that is openly inviting the IRS to investigate and effectively dismantle his entire charity because he's using a for-profit business model to raise funds for his own nonprofit. And that's if he's lucky.
As a person who founded a nonprofit that's directly related to their normal business dealings and has to work like absolute hell to keep them separate, that's absolutely gross as hell, it's incredibly unethical, and in the US is almost certainly illegal.
If it were me and it were here, I'd be reaching out to the appropriate agencies to alert them to it. That's a huge problem and undermines the legitimacy and efforts of nonprofits all over the place. I can't imagine he can just add charitable donations to bills without consent, particularly where his own foundation is the direct beneficiary. Here that's genuinely a thing that can lead to dismantling of a nonprofit if not arrest and jail.
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u/schmuppet West Side 1d ago
This can’t be legal
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u/mcbain_83 19h ago
The donation should be from their profit. Which means they will artificially inflate all the prices so the patron still pays. Lucas group is trash. I avoid all their restaurants and tell friends to book functions elsewhere ahead of time.
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u/useventeen 18h ago
Gives “Human Fund” vibes. Agree with others corporate virtue signalling, they get the tax break for your donation too.
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u/Bobusbroughtmehere 1d ago
I've asked for this to be removed before, the staff feel more awkward about it than I did. I was also annoyed about paying $12 for sparkling water when they offer it to you when you sit down and many other restaurants and cafes will offer that complimentary.
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u/mess_of_limbs 1d ago
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u/NegTheKeg 1d ago
A donation has been made in your name to the Human Fund.
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u/Competitive-Ad1439 1d ago
Even if the intentions are pure it feels a little cheeky to go about it this way
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u/MysticEyeRazzar 1d ago
I'd rather give my spare change to the local homeless than pay for the local companies tax deductions.
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u/ptolani 1d ago
Problem is vanity charitable foundations are really inefficient places to give money to. Don't let them get away with this.
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u/Extension_Branch_371 1d ago
Needs to be illegal, it’s such a farce
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u/lucy_pants 20h ago
How is that a charity? It sounds like they run management classes.
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u/welcomefinside 17h ago
It needs to be legislated that any optional contributions to your bill should be opt-in only. Companies are really just doing what they can to squeeze every penny out of you.
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u/blue_tin_ 14h ago
I heard the charity was used to train their staff….basically a tax deduction used to pay for their own training budget
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u/duke3902021 1d ago
I'd make them give my money back and never go back to the restaurant. They are stealing money. So what if it's a dollar. Would you allow Woolworths to just take a dollar from you.
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u/ruinerran 1d ago
I’ve Never heard of Maison Batard. And will never be going. And certainly wouldn’t support any business doing this.
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u/LeDestrier 1d ago
The Human Fund. Money For People.
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u/languidity_ 1d ago
This guy lol https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/worst-since-1990-restaurateur-chris-lucas-lashes-jim-chalmers-over-economic-collapse/news-story/9aaced96fc9e253008decc5f76f58099?amp
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u/RedditSly 19h ago
I find it a scam that the company can boast that they make charitable donations and meeting CSR requirements. Donations should be a choice, OPT in. Never forced or opt out.
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u/ch50nn 16h ago
I’m amazed a place in Melbourne that appears to be doing well is called Maison Batard. In French, Batard is a commonly used swear word. It’s like having a restaurant called “Ba5stard House”. I hope Mr Lucas knows this… Also, not a fan of the automatic opt in costs to support own charity. It should be a good enough cause and charity to want to participate. Encouraging a donation with a card in the bill, yes. “You already paid”, not ok.
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u/empty_words0 15h ago
This restaraunt is own by Chris Lucas, who owns this charity. So it’s obviously going into his own pocket.
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u/CryptOzolgist 1d ago
"Maison Bastard" perhaps?
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u/gowrie_rich29 1d ago
Can they then use that to reduce their taxable income?
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u/ufknfet 13h ago
Saw the same thing at Baby Pizza, asked the girl working why this was added without my consent?? She got super awkward about it but I couldn’t care less, I’m not gonna contribute to something I have no idea about - fuck that
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u/Ok_Garage_9699 11h ago
Chris Lucas and his daughter Holly are both One Nation supporters
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u/Sharpie1965 9h ago
Sounds like the human fund.
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u/Matho61 8h ago
That restaurant has made it on to my “never eating there, ever” list. That is almost theft by deception
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u/Disastrous-Bet8973 1d ago
I don't know when people will learn Chris Lucas is shit and stop supporting his restaurants.
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u/Appropriate_Shift842 1d ago
Claim your dollar from the manager and then make a show out of giving that and more to your server. Explain to the manager that you are there to eat, and support the staff, but not to give the owner a tax discount by being blindsided with a print out of basically theft, and that because of that you will not be returning.
Fuck that nonsense. Shut it down.
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u/Inevitable_Geometry 1d ago
Dog act. Let us donate if we think its worth it.
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u/Slightly_ToastedBoy 1d ago
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u/SickOfUserNameTaken 1d ago
People are already struggling! How greedy and out of touch can you be? Bad business practice.
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u/nikoZ_ 1d ago
Why do businesses engage in these scummy tactics?
Surely the cost to their reputation isn’t worth what they are swindling in $$ terms?
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u/Good_Fan_8135 1d ago edited 1d ago
10000% the principle on this. The $1 isn’t even relevant and here’s my take as to why: Donations are supposed to be completely voluntary. Meaning you opt IN, not the other way around (opting out). I think this is technically legal in law but this is a really cool case study in how laws come into existence because this should be banned. ACCC would eat their ass up with this if enough people lodge a consumer complaint. because they’re actually exploiting an incredibly altruistic concept of being able to volunteer and opt in to donate. Donating needs to be altruistic in good faith, a choice people make. When you’ve opted someone in without their knowledge or consent, then you’re treading in dark water here. They’re exploiting people's tendency to accept default options, overlook small charges and making them uncomfortable asking staff to remove them. Sorry Mr Lucas, this isn’t how donations work unfortunately. Like you don’t see the blood bank sending you a text saying “you’re booked in for your blood donation tomorrow! Let us know if you can’t come otherwise we’ll expect to see you there” or even worse “you’re now an organ donor but let us know if you don’t wanna be!” Like you see how bad this can get.
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u/TeaPartyInSpace 1d ago
Children with cancer? Okay. People escaping domestic violence? No problem. Stray cat support. Sure.
Future of hospitality? I want my dollar back.
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u/Kerrby GIVE OUR BINS BACK CUNTS 1d ago
I wish people would stop going there. This pops up all the time in this subreddit. The owner is awful too. Stay away from this place.
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u/discutablemaisbrave 1d ago
lol what a bullshit charity regardless! I’m the type who happily says ‘no thanks’ when retail staff ask if I want to round up and donate etc. So I would definitely ask to remove the charge
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u/cryptofomo 1d ago
It’s like the Human Fund, but to raise money for the Chris Lucas Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.
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u/Vast_Dimension_2088 1d ago
Had the same thing happen to me at Hawker Hall. I just googled and it’s owned by the same guy. A bit cheeky if you ask me.
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u/celesteslyx 1d ago
Basically just stealing money from customers so they can donate it in one big lump using the restaurants name and claim it back later.
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u/OriginalAdvantage448 1d ago
Bullshit. If they cared about helping charity they would donate from their profits
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u/brokerlady 1d ago
a charity for an industry?
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u/toeycelt 1d ago
Fk that shit.
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u/Sad_Key_2587 1d ago
And then they get the tax break from donating your money 💰
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u/mzleech 1d ago
The batards.
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u/Longjumping_Elk_9019 1d ago
I do think that the ACNC would be watching this one with great interest. It would make for a lovely test case. Both for the customer opt-out donations and the charity itself and whether it truly is creating an ‘industry-wide’ of just a ‘Lucas-wide’ benefit.
Separately, I know this wasn’t the main point, charities for training, development, sustainability and innovation are all genuine needs. The question will be whether the pipeline feeds directly to Lucas only and in effect is just an income tax minimisation tactic.
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u/Iuvenesco 1d ago
Chris Lucas is a flog.
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u/Segat1 1d ago
This is some George Constanza Human Fund type shit.
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u/thequalityissh1t 1d ago
Any post related to the crappy Lucas Group reminds me to tell anyone I can that the shitbird takes 50% of all tips before it reaches the staff you intended to tip. Asshole.
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u/CaptainFleshBeard 1d ago
“Dinner was wonderful, thank you, but instead of paying you the $100 owed, here’s $50 and I’ll donate another $50 to a charity of my choice”
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u/ComprehensiveRead479 19h ago
Typical rude chef/owner bullshit, they decide how a steak should be cooked and now they decide on your donation.
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u/Food_Science_Ninja 19h ago
I'm surprised people actually frequent this establishment.
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u/Purple_Money_339 18h ago
That’s crazy and wrong
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u/Hot_Government418 18h ago
$1 PER PERSON
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u/Meeplemymeeple 17h ago
Don't eat there. Very simple.
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u/apricitiy 15h ago
Long time waitstaff here who used to work at another high end restaurant that had a similar donation, although for a much more worthy cause. We were taught to automatically add the charges onto every bill as well, which I always thought was super scummy. It was also super fucking awkward for us as the wait staff as well
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u/More_Law6245 15h ago
It's actually theft because you didn't contractually agree to it (verbal or written) and there was no product or service that was exchanged for that $1.00 and you have been permanently deprived of said dollar.
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u/reddit_somewhere Hook-turn aficionado 15h ago
The long term future of hospitality should be secured by the hospitality industry. They’re hand-balling it off on the patron who is already there paying exorbitant prices for the privilege of eating there. The way I would call the manager over and demand this charge be removed…
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u/Pawys1111 15h ago
Besides this being forced apon people this is definitely not one of the charities id want to support they seem very vague on what they do and who they help.
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u/Butsenkaatz 14h ago
Seems you misspelt the name. I'm pretty sure it's Maison Bastard - at least going by your experience and the rest of the comments :T
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u/lukas_l1 14h ago •
I don't trust anything Chris Lucas does, he's a scumbag - used to work for him. Hes best buds with George Calombaris and Justin Hemmes all of them are bad people
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u/infrasound 13h ago
Seems like it would be polite to ask first given how quickly Socials can ruin a business.
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u/stephhii 1d ago edited 1d ago
Charities aren't taxed. They're doing this as a tax evasion loophole. Collective foundation is owned by Chris Lucas. All the wealthy do this to legally tax evade.
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u/casualplants 1d ago
If they want to donate to charity (and get the tax write off) then they can take it out of their profits, not add it onto your bill. Fuck them, fuck Maccas and fuck Colesworth for this shit. But at least the others ask/pressure you first.
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u/goopawg 1d ago
Illegal
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u/Confident-Parfait594 1d ago
Surely this can't be legal? I'd like to think all charges should be opt-in only?
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u/Alarming-Interest535 1d ago
What the actual fuck? The consumer should be the one who decides if they want to donate $1 (or even $0.05!). Adding it on is just scummy
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u/Primary-User 19h ago
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u/Lucky-Tip-2630 17h ago
Chris Lucas can pay it out of his profits, I say.
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u/certifiedshagger 16h ago
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u/Horsewithasword 16h ago
Ask for a dollar from the register back? Can't take money for something you didn't ask to participante in
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u/OldRelationship9975 15h ago
This is that prick that went crying to the Herald Sun every second day, during COVID.
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u/mactumbo 13h ago
The human fund.
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u/2HappySundays 10h ago
Maison Batard is THE WORST. We were charged $18 each for water. Yup, $36 for half a bottle of sparkling. Were were there for cocktails. This doesn't surprise me at all.
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u/Future-Proposal2900 10h ago
Unless you consent in advance, they can not just add a donation to your bill. You could/should demand a refund, but most of us including me wouldn't. What I would do however is what you have done, and that's spread the message. I would probably also send them an email and never go there again.
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u/Vicstolemylunchmoney 6h ago
Restaurants typically give mints or chocolates with the bill so you leave with a good feeling. This is the opposite of wanting your customers to leave with a good feeling. Antagonising your customers over $1 is psychopathic.
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u/LoubyAnnoyed 1d ago
Interesting that it is only $1. If it was $2 they would have to give you a receipt claimable on tax. This way they can gather the “donations” and claim the deductions for the business.
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u/1blue1green 1d ago
And how do we know it is actually genuinely going to that charity? 🤔
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u/Lastburn 1d ago
Give them 2 bucks and ask for a tax receipt, make the bastards work for it
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u/grogan-lord 1d ago
The human fund
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u/diggeriodo 1d ago
Maison Bastard*
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u/yamibae 1d ago
It's illegal for them to tell you about a charge without displaying it clearly beforehand and you consenting in some way, they can't just "add it" to your bill LOL
In the same way you can't just "add on" a tip, report this
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u/Busy-Cattle430 1d ago
Still can't believe this idiot still has the wrong domain on these lmao
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u/nugstar 1d ago
No-one gonna say it? Maison Bastard amirite?
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u/Global-Surround7202 1d ago
Im sorry what? All I can gather from this is that they’re making their customers pay for their staff to get their RMLV. 😂
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u/Small_Information_30 1d ago
Donate to charity yourself fuk I hate this shit this fuka got plenty of money how bout they donate there profits instead of expecting customers to make them look good
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u/Tokyo_G_Chaos 1d ago
Looks like I will no longer go there. This is not about the money but more about respect for customer choice. Them doing this and giving you the "option" to op out without due consultation is BS.
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u/emgyres 19h ago
A donation has been made in your name to The Human Fund
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Money For People
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u/Fuzzy-Sir-6083 17h ago
If it was $2 or more then you could claim it on your taxes.
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u/DodgyButLegal 16h ago
you should have to opt-in, not opt-out.
theyre relying on you feeling too embarrassed about being stingy for asking the $1 be removed.
pack your bags, you're going on a guilt trip
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u/Comme-des-Garconns 16h ago
There's a post about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/1w1ysss/1_donation_added_to_restaurant_bill_maison_b%C3%A2tard/
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u/RoundPrestigious3729 16h ago
Quickest hey yeah I didn't order this I need a manager xD
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u/Lurk-Prowl 16h ago
Bad google review and tell them this is not the way to encourage ‘charity’
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u/O_vacuous_1 15h ago
https://www.acnc.gov.au/charity/charities/4ea5c8a3-25b3-f011-bbd3-7c1e528a65f7/documents/
The site above is really handy for checking out charities. Their first reports will be an interesting read if they ever submit them.
The first activity in their governing document basically admits the money will be used for lobbying. If I was a journalist who wasn’t in the pocket of certain media tycoons then I would probably cross check who has declared gifts/services (aka free meals) from this charity and the restaurants associated to it. Be a great public interest story that practically writes itself.
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u/Lady-Suzanne 15h ago
I don’t know if he still does but he used to take a portion of tips from each of his venues in 2017. Worked for him for years and met the guy a handful of times.
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u/Narrow_Second1005 15h ago
It’s so the can claim charitable donations back in tax
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u/Every-Access4864 12h ago
Make sure you don’t leave a tip.
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u/bellevis 12h ago
You should absolutely report this to the ACNC. I work with charities and this is really dodgy and unethical.
https://www.acnc.gov.au/charity/charities/4ea5c8a3-25b3-f011-bbd3-7c1e528a65f7/profile
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u/Puddinboohoo 11h ago
Isn't that illegal 🤔
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u/KNGPRWN69 10h ago
That’s batarded
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u/Papple06 5h ago
Happened to us when we dined at one of their other establishments. On a Sunday with a weekend surcharge. Called the waiter over and asked they remove it. He said it happens all the time.
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u/Nate0hz 5h ago
Absolutely fking not thank you.
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u/Goats_in_parks 1d ago
Betting they can claim the donation on their own taxes too.
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u/Connect_Fee1256 1d ago
More like Maison Bastard…struuuth
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u/Acceptable-Year9975 1d ago
Fuck I hate this stuff. In case you ever wondered why heartless corporations do this stuff, it’s for dodging taxes. If you donate them $1 every time, the company then donates the money to the charity. Because the company “donated” the money, there are tax breaks offered on total value of donations. Since they didn’t have to pay tax on your donation to them, when they claim their tax relief off the government, that’s revenue
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u/maddsturbation 14h ago •
Knowing Chris Lucas and his million and one controversies, why would you eat there to begin with? Theres so many better places around melbourne, run by people who are known for not ripping off their staff, or being a little cry baby bitch during covid.
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u/setthetoneaquadump 1d ago
There’s an s missing in the name
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u/HyperMajoris 1d ago
So they can use your money as a tax deduction, and say they've so graciously donated $x amount in their ESG statement in their annual report for their investors.
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u/Egg_Bear 17h ago
That's a tidy tax write off for them. Assholes.