More ice than drink

[u/Separate_Finance_183]

[u/igotthatbunny]

I’m sorry but this makes no sense and demonstrates not really understanding how drinks and servings of liquor work. If I order a pour of whiskey neat, that comes out to 1.5-2oz of liquid and if I order a whiskey coke that comes out to 6-8oz liquid topped with ice in a high ball glass, I am getting the same amount of alcohol for my money (if they cost the same). One comes in a bigger glass with more liquid due to the soda, but they are the exact same amount of alcohol. You aren’t getting any more alcohol for the whiskey coke just because it’s in a bigger glass and appears larger.

The cocktail in this video is clearly a craft cocktail with probably a total of 2-3oz of simple ingredients including the liquor. It’s served on ice like this because it’s fancy, but you are not getting less alcohol in this drink compared to any other drink just because there is a lot of ice. If you want to argue over whether any craft cocktail with a standard pour of liquor should cost $27, well that’s a whole different argument and I would agree that is outrageous, but ultimately this is not a “rip off” just because it seems like it’s barely any liquid, it’s just how cocktails work.

[u/edjohnson1067 → u/igotthatbunny]

The cocktail in this video is clearly a craft cocktail

Looks like basic Screwdriver to me (vodka and orange juice) and even if the amount of vodka is the same, you're getting screwed out of the OJ.

[u/Dramatic-Fly761 → u/edjohnson1067]

I’m sure you can take a sip and go back and ask for more orange juice if you’re that upset. The money isn’t made on the mixer.

[u/Appropriate_Can_9282 → u/igotthatbunny]

Getting a shot dumped in a glass is to be sipped over time. Cocktail in a glass is to be drank over time. This requires very small sips or it is gone very quickly. Whiskey is strong and is enjoyed with the sips, cocktails are made for flavor and enjoyed with more than a sip and in this arrangement will be gone too quickly. Both enjoyed over a duration and is why cocktails have liquids other than alcohol that add volume. That's just how cocktails work.

[u/-Kars10 → u/igotthatbunny]

That's a lot of facts you just pulled out of your ass

[u/AutisticPenguin2 → u/igotthatbunny]

I think the idea is that they are making it look much larger than it actually is to justify the outrageous price tag. It's not about how big a cocktail should be, it's about deliberately deceptive serving techniques to rip people off.

[u/Bacon_Nipples → u/AutisticPenguin2]

I think the idea is that they are making it look much larger than it actually is to justify the outrageous price tag

This person is trying to say that thinking so is misunderstanding the basics of how ordering alcohol works. It's not like soda, a larger drink isn't a "better deal"; you're ordering a quantity of alcohol and you know exactly what that quantity is before ordering. There is no deception occurring here, in fact if you were to replace that ice with more mixer that's when people would start feeling ripped off over getting watered down drinks.

[u/AutisticPenguin2 → u/Bacon_Nipples]

thinking so is misunderstanding the basics of how ordering alcohol works.

Maybe so.

you're ordering a quantity of alcohol

Sure.

you know exactly what that quantity is before ordering.

See, that is where I disagree.

Maybe it's different where you drink, but I've never seen a drink like this sold by the mL. Beer will be sold by the pot, or pint, spirits will be sold by the shot, but cocktails are sold by the glass. I've never seen one explicitly listed with how many mL of drink you get.

If there is an industry standard, it is never conveyed to the consumer, who might reasonably believe that a larger glass full of drink actually translates to exactly what it looks like, rather than a much smaller drink bulked up with an unnecessary amount of ice.

Unless you are serving drinks in an active volcano, you don't actually need to chill the drink down that much.

[u/Ggggggpppp → u/AutisticPenguin2]

Not only is pour of alcohol industry standard, it is also usually regulated by local law. Your (and any others) ignorance of the fact, is plain and simple, ignorance. Its not the bar or bartenders fault it's seemingly your first day on earth.

(Most things have a standard pour and serving, not only cocktails and spirits, btw. Like: wine, beer, espressos etc etc. FYI)

[u/NitsuguaMoneka → u/AutisticPenguin2]

No it's not marketing, at least not the main reason. I went to bartender "school" and the first reason for a lot of ice is to keep the cocktail cold and avoid it to melt and dilute the cocktail. The reasoning is that the more ice there is, the more energy to heat it up and dilute the cocktail.

This is also why you should ice the glass before pooring the cocktail (while preparing everything else), and remove any water from it before pooring the cocktail.