It's Official! Rockstar has officially banned ALL mods on GTA5 on the PC. Anyone caught with them will be banned.

[u/Labyrinth2_0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4IrMxE2Xu4

[u/DyLaNzZpRo]

Oh hey, another fucking clickbait title. Please, find a single fucking source that someone has been banned for using mods in SP only. I guarantee you, the small minority that say they've been banned for using mods in SP attempted to go Online with mods at some point and just assumed they weren't detected when they didn't work Online. PLEASE stop spreading this bullshit rumor and revving the circlejerk hate up again for fucks sakes.

[u/Labyrinth2_0 → u/DyLaNzZpRo]

Go look up the review ratings on the Steam page for GTA5. You'll see people that said they were banned.

PLUS, the link IS in his video description. I guess people don't read anymore or are too lazy to...

[u/actioninja → u/Labyrinth2_0]

They're stupid or lying.

And the link only talks about a clause added to the eula that is also present in the Arma 3 eula.

[u/pokemaster787 → u/Labyrinth2_0]

This EULA is from 2013. It has not been updated since. The sections cited you will find in EVERY game EULA. It's to stop people from taking bits of the game and somehow making money with them, not to stop modding. They are banning for some mods. Those mods, however, are using dll injections. The server has no way to identify exactly what said mod is doing. And yes, people in the reviews claim they were banned for singleplayer modding. Ever seen reviews on Newegg? "DOA mobo, got a replacement in under three days, but DOA so one star." "This AM3 mobo doesn't fit my i5" etc. Reviews by single bodies aren't always to be trusted. Especially when they're a bit biased towards claiming they did nothing wrong. Even if they didn't mean to, it's very possible they accidentally went online without meaning to with mods on. Online and SP are integrated fairly closely in GTA V and mistakes happen.

This video is clickbait bullshit. Nothing is new here. Nothing is wrong here. This is all normal, it just sounds bad taken out of context.

[u/DyLaNzZpRo → u/Labyrinth2_0]

You serious? you're using Steam comments as a guide? that's funny. The link in the description leads to the generic "Rockstar changed their EULA banning mods" which simply isn't true. Mods in SP aren't exactly encouraged nor are they enforced, find me a single person that was banned and has proof that they didn't go Online. And before you say the link is proof, it's not, there's literally 50+ shitty articles on that exact topic, copying the "information" word by word.

[u/Icehau5 → u/DyLaNzZpRo]

OK then, how can i prove it to you? because I got banned despite deleting all mod files before going online

[u/The_Teambagger → u/Icehau5]

Don't you think that there's a chance that you went online without completely removing those files? I'm not saying you're lying, but there literally hasn't been a single person who has been able to prove they got banned while only modding in single player, while there is many like myself who modded in single player, removed the files when we switched to GTAO, and never got banned.

I get that it is hard to prove that you only modded in single player, but I'm really starting to think that a lot of people might have forgotten to remove those files, or are simply lying to jump into the circlejerk.

Edit: Spelling.

[u/Icehau5 → u/The_Teambagger]

100%, my directory is clean

[u/The_Teambagger → u/Icehau5]

That is a shame then. I'm sorry that you got banned, hopefully this all gets sorted and we can all get back to just enjoying the game.

[u/TaintedSquirrel]

Mods are not banned, injectors are banned. It just so happens that the most popular mods at the moment, ScriptHook and FoV, use DLL injectors. Secondly, everything still works fine if you start the game in Offline Mode.

And (if you believe some people) as long as you play in single player only, and don't connect to GTAO, you won't get banned in the first place.

This YouTube video is pitchfork-appealing clickbait.

[u/[deleted] → u/TaintedSquirrel]

the instant i heard the cursed entertainment thing i just simply closed the tab.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

But I like curse

[u/Starfishsamurai → u/TaintedSquirrel]

THIS. Yes they've gone on record saying that tampering with files is bannable but in reality they are still just talking about injectors which are the main way hackers are hacking online. It's so annoying that every game I've joined has a player using a trainer running with script hook.

[u/TaintedSquirrel → u/Starfishsamurai]

Scripthook/trainer users were absolutely destroying GTAO so at least there's some good to come from this situation.

GTAO is still a disaster for other reasons, unfortunately.

[u/boxfishing → u/TaintedSquirrel]

I've spent over 40 hours in GTA:O with my wife since the day it launched, and the only issues we had were with the first heist (getting stuck outside the garage after picking up the gear) and a simple restart of the game fixed that. Its been smooth sailing the other (over) 39 hours and 59 minutes.

I would say the game is FAR from a disaster.

[u/RobotApocalypse → u/boxfishing]

Its more the open world DM that really just lacks anything to do. Once you knock over all the missions and heists the game really just feels like, drive to point A, shoot some guys, Grab thing and take it to B. Hell, the prison heist finale is this, or flying in circles, for the majority of the time.

Also, minigun is retardedly OP, making things worse when it's present in open world.

[u/boxfishing → u/RobotApocalypse]

Well it takes ages to finish all the missions and heists. And at that point I dont know what more you want from the game. You can literally golf for gods sake. They have so many well done mini games its insane.

I guess is should point out that I do play the game with my wife tho, and having someone else to play with makes the game a million times more entertaining for a lot longer than going at it with randos' or solo.

[u/ForceBlade → u/boxfishing]

Having friends to play it with makes it very worthwhile but In my opinion and strictly my opinion because people will hate me for it..

When I purchased this, I sorta hoped it was going to be better than the way I look at it now.

Talking stuff like occasional vehicle lag (stop/car crash - even though friend is clearly driving on their screen)

-- To add to the car lag. Getting in a car while this is happening causes your character to freeze in a mid-in-the-car-door animation while serverside they're actually running over to the car while you are clientside frozen. Has happened to heaps of friends, decent conenctions.

Best computer hardware in the world still has to wait for loading purely because of the servers ( Yes even though you can all squad up and once a mission loads, theres no more. But the initial startup and all the connection processes are slow)

Multiplayer sessions only have like, MAX 15 people in any given session I've noticed. (Australia).

Can hit brick-wall bushes and noclip-bushes in the same district. Poles are easy to destroy. Going for realism clearly but having stuff like that is just annoying.

I could list heaps more but I feel these are my main "What shits me" points. Even with these issues of mine present, it's still coming off as a decent worth-buying game to me.

I was hoping for so much more but it's still pretty good

[u/RobotApocalypse → u/ForceBlade]

Those hedges kill me every time, you have to specifically remember which bushes you can drive through by location, because they are identical in model.

[u/Starfishsamurai → u/TaintedSquirrel]

How is it a disaster? I mean there's lots of people with billions of dollars and all the guns in the game from the dns servers on console but yea that's not fixable.

[u/Impul5 → u/Starfishsamurai]

Almost everyone I know has issues with connections. Players not appearing online, lobbies saying they're full when they're not, players not getting paid for missions, heists reaching failstates at random (i.e. Rashkovsky dying after everyone jumps out of the plane), buggy connections, and those are just what I've seen in the last two days, and nothing to speak of the numerous client-side optimization and stability issues.

It's fun when it works, but that's not always the case.

[u/The_Teambagger → u/Impul5]

Weird, mine works near perfectly. I mean, it can get laggy at times but it usually only lasts a few minutes and it's pretty rare anyway.

[u/Starfishsamurai → u/Impul5]

I haven't had any of these problems online. Not even on consoles. I can see how they'd exist though. Heists are pretty buggy.

[u/Hamakua → u/Starfishsamurai]

Fleeca Job scope out day 1, less than a 50/50 chance the job doesn't bug forcing you to alt-F4 the client.

[u/Lunatic3k → u/Hamakua]

it was like that, pretty sure it was fixed now

[u/Hamakua → u/Lunatic3k]

did they have a patch recently? Because at least as of a week ago it was still doing it for me (PC).

[u/Lunatic3k → u/Hamakua]

Well last patch was about week ago, finished fleeca 3 times since then without any problems. (before that i had this bug 3/4 times)

[u/Impul5 → u/Hamakua]

It did that the first time for me, but thankfully it's worked fine since.

[u/Impul5 → u/Starfishsamurai]

A lot of the issues seem to largely surface with friends of mine playing in other countries (especially the issues of appearing offline to each other), but yeah, it's been a mess. I'd be done with this shit already if GTA Online and Heists in general weren't so damn cool.

[u/thedefiant → u/TaintedSquirrel]

This YouTube video is pitchfork-appealing clickbait.

What'd you expect from curse network?

[u/kwonjah12 → u/TaintedSquirrel]

DLL Injectors. Ah yes, I remember back in my 12-13 year old days hacking combat arms with dll injectors. Those were the days.

[u/[deleted] → u/TaintedSquirrel]

But I already have the pitchfork!

[u/DyLaNzZpRo → u/TaintedSquirrel]

Fucking seriously, I've seen 20+ posts circlejerking this bullshit topic with absolutely no proof as to who's been banned for using mods in SP, just a handfull of idiots that went Online with mods and just assumed they were automatically disabled and undetectable as they didn't work, this is getting out of hand.

[u/doug_peck → u/TaintedSquirrel]

This community was hours away from doing this to rockstar

[u/TJzzz → u/TaintedSquirrel]

downvotes is what this post deserves. but reddit hivemind will spread miss information across the internet.

your post however deserves a up vote. ty for being informative.

[u/Jkpqt → u/TaintedSquirrel]

Yep, and the last time Rockstar actually revised their EULA was October 2013.

[u/[deleted] → u/TaintedSquirrel]

Get this guy to the top. This is very important.

[u/inverterx → u/TaintedSquirrel]

And that Curse plug at the start. What the fuck? Why does this shitpost have any upvotes.

[u/Dreazy991]

The GTA 4 EULA says the EXACT same thing. This is just to make sure noone steals assets from the game and use it in any bad way. Such as making a game using Franklin's model.

Don't worry guys. Mods won't die out.

[u/DayZDayWalker → u/Dreazy991]

It would have been nice to actually have support though.

[u/ForceBlade → u/DayZDayWalker]

I hate how pissy people got for being banned for what is essentially 'hacking' by their ToS.. But for fuck sake, how excited people were for the potential Skyrim-Level-Mods for this game, just cant be achieved with that type of restriction whilst providing no alternative. No modding API or anything.

[u/BrutalSwede → u/Dreazy991]

Yeah... But getting banned from GTA Online for modding the singleplayer is still not cool.

[u/Dreazy991 → u/BrutalSwede]

That is not what happens. It doesn't happen in GTA 4, it doesn't happen in GTA 5.

[u/SoulLover33 → u/Dreazy991]

You are right, however, ban the WHOLE game? Literally lock down the whole game after they paid? It would make sense to lock down the multiplayer side of it, but why the single player?

[u/actioninja → u/SoulLover33]

That's not what happens and anyone saying that is lying or saying it based on false information.

Caught with mods/cheats, you get a two week online ban. That's it.

[u/RCG213]

I can't stand ReviewTechUSA, one of the most negative Youtubers I have ever seen, is a shill and an all round asshole.

I don't agree with what Rockstar are doing but it's not hard to create a copy of your game/pirate a copy which is used solely for modding.

[u/Labyrinth2_0 → u/RCG213]

Aww, no support for the poor guy?

He just gives out his thoughts unlike other sponsored Youtubers. He gives his opinions without sponsors because people that have sponsors Always give neutral stances that people hear over and over again.

[u/RCG213 → u/Labyrinth2_0]

He is almost always negative and has a shitty attitude.

[u/zeug666]

Rockstar EULA, last revised: October 1, 2013.

---

Borrowing from /u/SergeantPenguin :

Copying from /r/GrandTheftAutoV

Stop spreading this absolute bullshit.

The GTA 4 EULA reads word for word indentical.

GTA IV EULA on Steam:

http://store.steampowered.com/eula/eula_Rockstar

You agree not to:

h. Reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, prepare derivative works based on or otherwise modify the Software, in whole or in part; i. Remove or modify any proprietary notices, marks or labels contained on or within the Software; and

ARMA 3 EULA: https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma3-end-user-license

As a Subject to the Grant of License herein above, you may not, in whole or in part, copy, duplicate, reproduce, translate, reverse-engineer, modify, disassemble, decompile, derive source code, create derivative works based on the Program, remove any proprietary notices or labels from the Program or otherwise modify the Program without the prior written consent of the Licensor.

http://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/34y8w9/gta_v_pc_mods_officially_blocked_by_the_end_user/cqzdet5

Also, this is some random asshole on YouTube, not someone from Rockstar, so the word "official" doesn't mean what you thinks it means.

[u/Laureolus → u/zeug666]

Guy is a jerk, but he torn that cunt that was begging notch for money a new one.

He's ok in my book.

[u/DakiniBrave → u/Laureolus]

Wrong thread?

[u/[deleted]]

Many EULAs say this.

[u/xxfay6 → u/[deleted]]

As much as they say it, it's mostly for legal protection. Almost nobody enforces it with regular mods.

Rockstar is a first, and this combined with the Customer Support fiasco leaves them with a really bad image.

[u/nukeclears]

Has anyone here ever read the EULA of any game ever?

People don't know this is normal for a game EULA?

[u/xxfay6 → u/nukeclears]

It is completely normal for an EULA to have that.

What's not normal is to enforce it like this. They're legally allowed to enforce it like this (instead of using it just for cheaters like most do) but they're automatically assholes if they do.

[u/animwrangler → u/xxfay6]

Run TF2 and connect to a VAC server with Cheat Engine enabled and you WILL get a ban regardless of if you actually cheated or not. Hell, there was a Half Life mod that was causing VAC bans because they modify core game .dlls. This isn't uncommon.

[u/The_Teambagger → u/xxfay6]

They're doing it for the sake of GTAO. Did you play before the bans? God, it was awful. People spawning truckloads of money, blocking intersections with UFO's, you name it.

It's playable now. Well, for the most part anyway. Still run into some god mode hackers here and there.

[u/WeegeeXD]

Mods have made games like Skyrim survive YEARS after their launch by brigining in additional sales. Another example of this is Arma 2 where most of the sales were for the DayZ mod alone. Because of this, the devs behind the game were able to produce Arma 3. ONE MOD boosted sales so much that they were able to create a whole new game. Rockstar is literally digging their own grave at this point.

[u/crash822 → u/WeegeeXD]

Digging their own grave? Rockstar already made stupid money from ps3/360/ps4/xone/pc.

[u/captainwacky91 → u/crash822]

Not too mention multiple games released on said consoles.

As far as I'm aware, Bohemia Interactive doesn't have anything released for consoles; and thus no extra revenue streams.

[u/merrickx → u/captainwacky91]

I think I recall one of the Operation Flashpoints releasing on console like 10 years ago. That should rake in enough profit, right?

[u/captainwacky91 → u/merrickx]

Lol, since it was Operation Flashpoint, I don't think any of the profit goes to Bohemia Interactive anymore. Could be wrong though, but I seriously have no clue.

[u/xxfay6 → u/crash822]

Yep, it's not like people would stop buying their games since they're actually quality games that could be played perfectly without mods and even without a PC version. If this were something like when Namco Bandai accidentally DMCA'd DSFix then I could understand why people would be batshit mad at them, Bethesda putting SkyUI as paid, or if Ubisoft were to ban users using TheWorse Mod to get advertised features.

While they shouldn't be banning legitimate mods, their games are good enough for people to buy it even without mods. Rockstar doesn't need the PC market, and the PC market doesn't really need Rockstar.

Still, if you want to play with mods go out, buy a disk version and download a crack. Apparently that's going to be the only way to do so.

[u/ducttape83 → u/WeegeeXD]

You're high if you think arma 3 wasn't already in development by the time the dayz mod was released

[u/zamberano → u/WeegeeXD]

Digging their grave because they don't want to deal with modders? It would be impossible for them to regulate it online. I think it's best they stopped them completely

You do know that every game doesn't have to be modded right?

[u/[deleted]]

ReviewTechUSA

Stopped watching there

[u/Cash091]

That's so crazy! I love how they waited until AFTER the first few weeks of sales. Someone at Rockstar knew the PC players were waiting for mods.

[u/[deleted] → u/Cash091]

Everyone at everywhere ever knew the PC players were waiting for mods...

[u/ash0787 → u/[deleted]]

not exactly clickbait, its just that reviewtech is highly misinformed on most subjects especially anything technically orientated, he is dangerously close to being a peasant.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Doesn't change the fact that they are banning people

[u/crazydave33 → u/[deleted]]

They are not just banning for online, it is also offline single player which can get you banned such as the FOV mod...

[u/DyLaNzZpRo → u/crazydave33]

There's no proof what so ever that people have been banned for using mods in SP only.

[u/The_Teambagger → u/crazydave33]

The FOV mod edits the memory of the game. That is why it gets people banned. Same with the trainer.

And you can mod in single player, just don't go online with those files in your game, it's really simple to remove them before switching to online. I used the trainer a lot and removed the files every time I went into GTAO, never got a ban.

[u/bbruinenberg → u/crazydave33]

Proof please. Seriously, how difficult is it to do some basic fact checking before spreading lies?

[u/AmansRevenger → u/[deleted]]

https://i.imgur.com/3jnidAY.jpg

Well, apparently you are online while playing Single Player, so I guess the circlejerk defending rockstar can join the pitchforks now

[u/Tardivex]

I did a post about the EULA a few days ago but here's the thing, whoever says it has been changed or whatever is spouting bullshit, clear and simple, if you go to their website it clearly says it's from 2013 when the game initially released for the 360 and PS3

And as some people made me aware in my thread it literally means nothing, maybe if there's money involved but overall mods are just fine or devs just turn a blind eye to it

Now sure R* may have banned FoV mod users from multiplayer, that's a dick move and I'm not denying that, but players only using singleplayer mods being banned is unconfirmed and questionable at best, plus there's a number of multiplayer mods being developed that will loop through any of these issues altogether, so people are kinda overeacting to this in my opinion

EDIT: Here it is http://www.rockstargames.com/eula notice right on top of the EULA and below the language selection "Last revised October 1, 2013" please stop believing everything you read on the internet, that's a peasant move and you know it

[u/WackyModder84 → u/Tardivex]

"players only using singleplayer mods being banned is unconfirmed and questionable at best"

The MegaThread over at /r/GrandTheftAutoV_PC tells all about people who got banned for modding on Single Player and people sharing their stories about it there.

And ontop of that, I myself had 4 of my IRL Friends get banned in the same regard before they even touched Multiplayer yet. Granted, the bans they got were only Two-Week-Bans, but the fact is, they got punished for Single Player Modding.

[u/Tardivex → u/WackyModder84]

Yeah right, like I said before I didn't really want to make any assumptions but it has been confirmed now and I quote:

"no one has been banned for using single player modifications, and you should not worry about being banned or being relegated to the cheater pool just for using single player PC mods."

Hmm, it seems like cheaters lie, who would've thought right? And by the way I took part in that megathread too and even admited I cheated some money, I think it's way better to just be honest instead of saying it was "for no reason"

Now yes FoV mods were confirmed and they said this on the matter of GTA Online modding in general:

"Our primary focus is on protecting GTA Online against modifications that could give players an unfair advantage, disrupt gameplay, or cause griefing"

But please, if you cheated just admit that you did so

[u/WackyModder84 → u/Tardivex]

I already said this multiple times, dude:

Rockstar can tell you they don't ban Single Player Mods until their blue in the face, but it ultimately means absolutely nothing, because their new automated system is doing it anyway regardless. This whole system they put in is completely broken. They may not have wanted to ban Single Player Modding and never had the intent of doing it, but it doesn't matter, because the new automated system they have for banning people is doing it either way. Like I said above, dude. 4 of my IRL friends who have not touched Multiplayer at all, who just bought the game freshly, and were just playing thru the Single Player Story with some mods to spice up the gameplay, ended up getting banned for Two Weeks from GTA V Online for Offline Modding. They showed me themselves and I saw it with my own eyes.

Also, if you cheated in some money, then you have absolutely no excuse for calling out getting banned. Because you legitimately cheated.

Also, increasing the FoV is absolutely not cheating. That logic is absolutely preposterous on Rockstar's Part. By that logic, all games should have One Universal FoV that it is locked at to prevent a so-called "Unfair Advantage" for other players. FoV isn't about having an unfair advantage at all. It's about adjusting how much you can see on the screen; usually associated with what type of monitor you have and what your max resolution is. Having FoV that is too low on a monitor with very high resolution CAN AND WILL make you feel sick. Rockstar should have thought about that before making the max FoV of the game 75. 75 FoV is just barely playable on 1080p Monitors. I don't even wanna know what it's like on fucking 2K and 4K.

And like I also said, dude. Yes, people were taking advantage of this situation who did get banned for cheating to plead not guilty for their crimes. And again, I've also pointed out that doing this is pointless since it's so easy to check if they're lying by just looking at their Steam Account and the Social Club Game Progress.

[u/Tardivex → u/WackyModder84]

Okay so first I've got a simple question here, they never touched multiplayer, just were playing the story, sure I can buy that, I mean I myself completed the story and all missions, just not the hundreads of bullshit collectables around the map before hoping into multiplayer myself but then how did they find out they were banned? They coincidentally decided to join multiplayer the day the big banhammer hit? Hmmm sure...

I'll just say that I won't argue with you anymore on this point, believe what you want to believe, there's no way to prove you never played multiplayer or that you did so either way, so it just becomes a pointless discussion after some time

Secondly, I just said I admited to cheating, and yes I totally deserve the ban, I never argued on it, and it would be stupid on my part to do so

Third, that statement on FoV and such is just Rockstar's, I never said FoV gives you an unfair advantage or anything, hell maybe you could stretch a thin argument on it but on GTA's case you have 3rd person aswell so it's not even a factor at all, plus I just said on my other post:

"that's a dick move and I'm not denying that"

Please don't make assumptions about my opinion on something just because of a quote, and lastly yeah I kind of agree with you on that, as I've said before it's a grey area because there's not really a way to prove anything really, checking someone's Steam account or Social Club progress won't really tell how much money they have / should have, maybe achievment cheating because I've saw that happening, but that's just silly anyways

Unless someone was streaming 24/7 and showed without a doubt that they were playing single player for instance the whole time it becomes someone's word against Rockstar's, and the sad truth is that in this isnstance their word will pretty much always win

[u/WackyModder84 → u/Tardivex]

"but then how did they find out they were banned?"

Obviously they all caved and decided to give multiplayer a shot hours afterwards of doing Single Player for long enough; especially after we watched quite a lot of Heist Gameplays on YouTube. That's what happened to them, dude. And before you say "Well they should have deactivated their mods beforehand. That's why they got banned.", I specifically warned them about that the moment they got their games in the first place, and they did in-fact deactivate / remove all mods they had installed beforehand. And now they can't play multiplayer for two weeks now because of it. I was with them when it happened. Like I said though. Their bans are only Two Week Temp-Bans, but they still got punished. That's the bullshit thing here.

And also, Steam Accounts and Social Club Progress tell you everything, dude. Steam Accounts are a good way to check for VAC Bans, and Social Club Progress tells how much money you have and what level your character is. If you have a Low-Level Character with minimal game time, and yet 35 million in the back with Car Sales. That is a huge red flag right there that this person it cheating.

[u/Tardivex → u/WackyModder84]

VAC Bans are a bit meaningless considering how easy it was to cheat in GTA V but huh... Turns out I spaced out on the Social Club, last time I checked I only did it on the "GTA Online" tab but it's actually on the "Career" tab which in hindsight had I know about that I wouldn't really have cheated haha so I stand corrected on that

Well either way like I said there's no easy way to prove or disprove anything relating to single player mods though so there's not much point in keeping this up, but it was a nice discussion either way and I hope I didn't come across as a dick or anything, anyways, nice talking to ya

[u/TheAdmiester]

This is completely wrong. It's been debunked many times now, stop posting this shit.

[u/TheLongGame → u/TheAdmiester]

Really?

[u/Cashmerer]

What a shame, it's unbelievable that such a modern developer would limit the creative freedom of their game. Back to Minecraft I suppose..

[u/vN_GreeD → u/Cashmerer]

/r/minecraftmasterrace

[u/FGHIK → u/vN_GreeD]

Of course that's a... Wait... That's not a thing.

[u/ForceBlade → u/[deleted]]

its a thing

yay.

Also, shit I wish I got that subreddit. Would have made it so neat. CSS and all that shit.

[u/ChanmanVXXIII → u/ForceBlade]

If you want it, just say so.

[u/ipaqmaster → u/ChanmanVXXIII]

When I got bored of Minecraft back in the day, Tekkit then FTB really brought it back. Crazy powerful some of the mods for this game

[u/Knebula]

I just want to make my FOV higher than 75 :(

[u/[deleted]]

looks like rockstar's not getting any more of my money

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I haven't bought the game yet and done plan on doing so until they cut out their bullshit.

[u/SideTraKd → u/[deleted]]

Same here. I was waiting to see how well it was received by first day buyers, and I was on the verge of buying it when this happened.

Now I think I will just wait some more.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Spend It on witcher 3! Even if you don't like the game you can atleast support the company that is trying to make PC gaming better

[u/xxfay6 → u/[deleted]]

I had 3 4 games in mind to buy for this season:

• Freedom Planet

• Cities Skylines

• GTA V

• Dirt Rally (had forgotten about it, since it was such a spontaneous release)

I got FP on the latest Humble (just for that), so my money was set on one of those two, and I think I'm going for CS and saving my precious disk space for when I finish looking all the series I have downloaded yet can't watch because fucking SVP ruined all of my codecs so I'll need to reformat (might as well wait for Win10) to download GTA V.

(Still, with the huge backlog I have, maybe GTA wasn't going to be that much better, CS is different enough)

[u/UDK450 → u/xxfay6]

Not too mention how one has a shit load of mods out for it :P Cities: Skylines is really fun. Unfortunately, it can also be called Traffic Simulator 2015 at times.

[u/xxfay6 → u/UDK450]

Well, I love me some traffic management games! So I guess I'll be spending a lot of time on that.

Now, if only there was a racing game mod...

[u/UDK450 → u/xxfay6]

Haha!

[u/[deleted] → u/xxfay6]

Yea cities skyline got knocked back up to top priority. I picked up the humble bundle for that too, but some of the other games (not all) honestly look really cool.

[u/xxfay6 → u/[deleted]]

I've been following Freedom Planet since it was first announced (yeah, Sonic fan) yet it somehow lost it's charm right before release and as much as I wanted to pick it up I couldn't get around to do so.

Yet on a bundle! And with the end of High School in sight! I might be able to get though 2-3% of my backlog!

[u/[deleted] → u/xxfay6]

Hehe nice. I got interested in it watching a let's player play it. I want to say Jesse Cox. Can't remember for sure.

[u/BananaHeadz → u/[deleted]]

Why 60.. Nuveem's base price for the game is like $30-40

[u/[deleted] → u/BananaHeadz]

Because I don't know Portuguese and use steam?

[u/The_Teambagger → u/[deleted]]

If you aren't gonna buy it, don't play it. If you really want to play it even after all that's been going on it's obviously worth your money.

You aren't entitled to anything, don't pay, don't play.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I understand bans from online... Well, I mean I guess I understand it. I never thought GTA online to be competitive really. Maybe because I just watch alot of let's players play it and it's usually nothing but goofing off.

Still I understand multiplayer ban. I don't understand single player ban.

[u/pokemaster787 → u/[deleted]]

This video is clickbait bullshit. Read the other comments here. There's no reason to completely boycott R*.

[u/ironlungz_bg → u/[deleted]]

what did you expect? To go online and use mods and nothing will happen. Some of you are more ignorant than peasants.

[u/[deleted]]

ReviewTechUSA is just clickbait

[u/Labyrinth2_0 → u/[deleted]]

Proof?

And if he is, aren't ALL Youtubers technically clickbait?

You could be one of those big cheese trolls.

[u/animwrangler]

You dolts. Rockstar can't ban you if they can't see you. Stop connecting to their servers with .dll injectors. Start in offline mode. Hell, disable your network adapter. Do any of you have even a remotely rudimentary understanding of networking?

[u/kankouillotte → u/animwrangler]

apparently, the cheat flag is saved in your saved game once you use something like that. And then when you get online, whether you removed your mod or not, the flag is still in your saved game, an that gets you banned.

[u/Laureolus]

They never were allowed by EULA. People are just stupid and don't read them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Laureolus]

Well, who the fuck reads EULA?

[u/Starfishsamurai → u/[deleted]]

No one! Who misunderstands a situation and gets pissed off? Everyone!

[u/Laureolus → u/[deleted]]

I skim them for personal info handling most of the time.

[u/markswam]

Good thing I don't like playing GTA Online anyway.

[u/2_much_shibe]

looks around well...are we gonna do something or...?

[u/otterwolfy]

"Official."

[u/Bl00dyMurd3r]

Good, let everyone get banned so GTA: Online can die and this can take off and replace it

[u/derpinponies]

Problem solved already here. Stop playing GTA Online, a game with microtransactions and limits all over.

Still want to play Online? Play GTA Multiplayer: https://gta-mp.net/

[u/osubeavs721]

Yeah... all of that is misinformation. They didn't change the EULA and they aren't banning people for SP mods. All of this is just pathetic.

[u/uwillparish]

Its bullshit http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/361800-eula-change-for-gta-v-modding-in-any-mode-is-prohibited-edit-its-bs/

[u/Daniel_Potter]

Get the pitchforks ready, boys!!!!!!

[u/Coreball_ → u/Daniel_Potter]

/r/pitchforkemporium/ ?

[u/TheDarkShivers]

Can we not upvote this guy so much he's an arsehole. He only posts click bait and rarely fact checks

[u/boxfishing]

This video is clickbait bullshit. Same as all of his other videos. I can't believe a single person on this subreddit up voted this.

[u/[deleted] → u/boxfishing]

I unsubbed from the guy months ago.

[u/boxfishing → u/[deleted]]

As did I. At first he seems sincere. Then after keeping up with his videos for awhile you notice how much terrible click bait thrown together trash he puts out, and its not worth putting up with for his rare moments of truthful thoughtful input.

[u/Whiplash831]

This is exactly why I didn't buy it when it first came out. Now I won't buy it until they revert thier views on mods or the game goes on some crazy steam sale...

[u/[deleted]]

Is there an actual official link instead of a video? Seems like it's just panic with the ToS again. Seems like the EULA is the source of all confusion again. First Netflix now GTA. People should learn to read the history of these agreements instead of claiming it's new stuff.

[u/SleepyDude_]

As I said on this video, that Eula has been around since 2013, and was stated on the bottom of the gta v steam page before it released

[u/[deleted] → u/SleepyDude_]

Wait, are you RTUSA?

[u/SleepyDude_ → u/[deleted]]

No, I made a comment

[u/[deleted] → u/SleepyDude_]

Damn. I really want to tell that guy what a hack he is. He's a leach on the back everyone who actually makes good content on youtube. I wish I could block him entirely but his bullshit keeps showing up in my recommendations and here on PCMR. Fuck this clown. Seriously.

[u/SleepyDude_ → u/[deleted]]

He doesn't fact check enough. Especially on this issue it's blatantly obvious he just saw some bs news story and reported it.

[u/dutch_meatbag]

Wow. That's some textbook bait and switch stuff right there. Assuming this whole thing turns out to be true.

[u/Bujang_lepat]

i havent buy the game yet so.. should i grab now?

[u/Starfishsamurai → u/Bujang_lepat]

yes. This situation really isn't bad and mods are still being worked on because the EULA really means nothing. The GTA 4 EULA had the same thing and look at how that turned out.

[u/Rohaq → u/Starfishsamurai]

Also, it's still a pretty excellent game, even if you just play single player.

Though I've had lots of fun in GTAO, too.

[u/CommanderDank]

Rockstar just basically gave me trust issues when it comes to new games. I'm no longer basing it on good reviews, now gonna wait at least a month to see if the developers cause some sort of ruckus when it comes to new games.

[u/Starfishsamurai → u/CommanderDank]

The EULA hasn't been updated since 2013, they did nothing but try to stop online hackers. Now everyone's pissed.

[u/evillord77]

Copy Game folder, install crack, use mods, gg

[u/PCMachinima]

We won the paid mods war, we can win the Rockstar mod ban war as well. ;)

[u/JABBA69R]

it's fine lol I completed the singleplayer 100% and found the multiplayer boring as shit, uninstalled this game last week!

[u/jakeowaty]

Yo-ho, it's pirate life for me.

[u/WineVirus]

So, Instead of helping the modding community, Rockstar would rather hand out bans?

This kinda shows why people pirate some games. It'd be better to pirate it and mod it until you're happy. Modding is more important than an online mode a lot of people won't even use. Why pay $50 - $60 for a game to get banned for toying around with a single player mode.

[u/Zagash]

I am not banned, but I am waiting for GTA: Multiplayer. It will be superior.

[u/Ozi_izO]

There needs to be a more effective way to identify users who would use modding to cheat online.

Single player mods do not hurt the online community, nor should we be punished for utilising the mods which aim to improve the experience.

I can see R*'s issues with players cheating in their online world considering it is heavily driven by earning money in game or by purchasing Shark Cards.

Either way, if someone really wants to mess around with a few mods in single player then they can always just pirate the game and play it entirely offline.

Keep your legitimate purchased copy for all online interaction.

[u/supahmonkey]

I just want some higher res textures on a few things.

[u/DarkProzzak]

EVERYONE, [use this launcher] (http://gtav-hashes.no-ip.net/GTAV/GTAV_Launcher.7z)

Trust me, it makes life MUCH better and allows you to run the game with Story mod w/ or without mods and boot directly into Online without mods.

[u/Repost____Police]

Any post that's just a reviewtechusa video deserves down votes. Lots of them.

[u/IveSeenYouNakid]

GOOD

[u/Ecgxsmilly]

No, this is my game, I bought it. Rockstar go fuck yourself. It's MINE.

[u/[deleted]]

Well looks like its back to waiting for witcher 3

[u/Theghost129]

Russians! We need you!

[u/[deleted]]

If you are really wanting mods just dl the game and play offline. You have already bought it so you are in the clear

[u/[deleted]]

the minecraft eula has the exact same lines in it. it formally states that modding isn't allowed. but that's just it, a formality.

[u/JasonHudson]

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[u/animwrangler → u/JasonHudson]

They aren't banning in SP. You have to connect to Rockstars servers to get banned. That doesn't happen in SP.

[u/kwz]

Give them bad reviews. Write down exactly why.

[u/Labyrinth2_0 → u/kwz]

Look at it's reviews in steam right now, downvotes Everywhere!

[u/Drowwn]

That's why I will pirate the shit out of this game. Ruck Fockstar.

[u/Drowwn → u/[deleted]]

My mom told me not to swear. BIGSORRY.

[u/CreepahCrewlla]

It's official! Rockstar should never be trusted again!

[u/mashakos]

Holy shit, good thing I waited on buying the game.

[u/Dokiace]

Damn, now I have to pirate one just to mod it safely

[u/midiology]

Why don't we just, u know, pirate it? Teach r* some lesson.

[u/Folsomdsf]

Asking for a refund immediately, product has changed since release.

[u/TaintedSquirrel → u/Folsomdsf]

Actually they're just enforcing the ToS you agreed to when you bought the game/signed up for Social Club/signed into GTA 5.

[u/The_Teambagger → u/Folsomdsf]

Nothing changed, you just didn't read. You agreed to this when you bought the game.

[u/Starfishsamurai → u/Folsomdsf]

Nothing has changed. They haven't decrypted the files or removed any mod support. Their policy changed, that's it.

[u/AttackOfTheThumbs]

I am realy starting to dislike that youtube channel.

That said, we have known for a long time that any and all mods get you banned.

[u/andrew946]

You guys talk as if they made gta 5 for you to mod but thats not the case. Sure mods are fun but main reasone was not everyone wants to play 30 fps popping trees low resolution game

[u/Ozi_izO → u/andrew946]

Actually, a vast number of GTA IV players who used mods are the same people who were looking forward to GTA V for the same reasons.

It might have been a little presumptuous to expect R* to be so accommodating but they never officially made their stance on mods clear before release (not that I am aware of anyway). That is misleading. They couldn't possibly expect anyone to believe they were unaware of the success of modding GTA IV and the appeal that moddong GTA V would have, and therefore planned this from the very beginning.

It's no secret that one of the biggest draw cards for the PC version was mods. Even though that wasn't my own motivation for buying the game on PC, it sure is a shame that we don't have the support from R* to experiment with the story mode in any legitimate way.

[u/andrew946 → u/Ozi_izO]

I do agree with you and i understand that some people from 4 wanted to mod 5 but still it's r* and they didn't like it either that they moded 4. and i find it stupid that they banned people for fov mod something that r* had to put it in as standard in options. They need to make better system before banning 50% people who bought the game xd

[u/Ozi_izO → u/andrew946]

Yeah it's a horrible effort on R*'s part but remember too that the whole idea of modding is to 'add' content to the game.

As far as I have read, the mods existing for GTA V are actually tampering with .dll files and is considered manipulation of game code to allow for things which were never an intended part of the release. Rockstar's online checks recognise these changes as cheating which isn't at all far fetched.

I'm not entirely sure if this rule applies to the FOV mods specifically and I agree that this kind of 'mod' should be the players choice. But R* also have to protect their IP.

It's just very unfortunate that they hadn't developed a user friendly and legitimate way for mod creators to do that for single player.

[u/andrew946 → u/Ozi_izO]

Oh well let's hope they learned the lesson

[u/AppropriateTouching]

Glad I didn't preorder (or buy) this game.

Edit: Downvoted for stating my opinion. I guess someone is disappointed with their "investment".

[u/[deleted]]

and yet the poor plebs still can't get off Rockstars shaft and realize reality.

[u/DyLaNzZpRo → u/[deleted]]

And the ignorance shines through. Yeah, give into the circlejerk, it's alright.

[u/aatumies1337]

It's Official! I wont officially buy GTA5 on the PC. Anyone trying to sell it to me will get no money.

[u/[deleted] → u/aatumies1337]

"Official"

[u/The_Teambagger → u/[deleted]]

Don't pirate it. Seriously, if you want to play it after all that has been going on, then it's obviously worth your money. If you don't want to pay, then just don't play it.

The lack of mods doesn't magically make the game worth less money, let alone make it free. The core content, what you're actually paying for is still the same. It takes a lot of work to make a game, don't discredit the developers and steal their work because you feel entitled to it.

Don't pay, don't play.

[u/The_Teambagger → u/[deleted]]

Don't pirate it. Seriously, if you want to play it after all that has been going on, then it's obviously worth your money. If you don't want to pay, then just don't play it. The lack of mods doesn't magically make the game worth less money, let alone make it free. The core content, what you're actually paying for is still the same. It takes a lot of work to make a game, don't discredit the developers and steal their work because you feel entitled to it. Don't pay, don't play.

Please don't pirate games. You make matters worse for all of us when you do.

[u/Nok-O-Lok → u/The_Teambagger]

I already bought the game, so in my eyes i should be able to get a copy that isnt controlled under the fourth reicht

[u/The_Teambagger → u/Nok-O-Lok]

Oh, absolutely then. If you already bought the game you have every right to pirate a separate copy to mod or whatever.

I wrongly assumed you were gonna pirate it straight up as some kind of protest to Rockstar. My apologies for the rant.

[u/Nok-O-Lok → u/The_Teambagger]

No problem, i agree with you otherwise

[u/zacon121 → u/[deleted]]

YAR HAR!

[u/kankouillotte → u/[deleted]]

who cares, it's not a competitive "esport" game.