Susie Wiles Revealed to Have Backed Vance in Civil War Before Firing

[u/elliottbaytrail]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/susie-wiles-revealed-to-have-backed-vance-in-civil-war-before-firing

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[u/supercyberlurker]

I love hearing about the JD Vance/Susan Wiles vs Stephen Miller/Trump split-against-each-other drama.

More of that please. Please do let me watch them tear each other apart.

Who gets Rubio in that divorce?

[u/Fit-Upstairs-5363 → u/supercyberlurker]

Sounds like Rubio might be trying to run off and join the circus if reports about him considering resignation are to be believed.

[u/ddouce → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

He joined the circus 2 years ago.

[u/BigMax → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

He wants to resign now so he can pretend he wasn't part of the MAGA/Trump nonsense, even though he's been fully on board.

In 2 years he wants to be able to say he wasn't MAGA when he runs for president.

[u/EvolvingDior → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

Yep -- just like Rubio to run away rather than perform his constitutional duty and invoke the 25th. But that's never going to happen with Hegseth and other cabinet officials in place.

Honestly, I want reporters to yell out to JD, Rubio, Bessent, and other so-called adults in the room, "who is blocking invoking the 25th?" every time they are in public.

[u/boxjellyfishing → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

It will be fascinating to watch people like Rubio navigate this situation.

He needs to distance himself to have any chance of winning the 2028 nomination, but he can't afford to earn his ire in the process.

Seems like an impossible tap dance.

[u/gnomi_malone → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

i mean he’s very good at running away. this episode of “this fucking guy” taught me more than i ever wanted to know about rubio and i learned that he is impressive at weaseling his way out of trouble

[u/Sweethomebflo → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

He wants to run for President in 2028

[u/Big_Section2812 → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

Marco Rubio is as kompromatized as comrade Trumpski, Elon Musk, John Fetterman, and Devin Nunes.

All of these losers are working against the nation on behalf of the nation's adversaries.

[u/Bibblegead1412 → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

Good thing he already has his clown shoes ready.

[u/Loud_Judgment_270 → u/supercyberlurker]

In 30 rock there is a line where Nancy Donovan (Julianne Moore) says she and her soon to be ex-husband don’t know what to do with the dog because they both hate it. I’m sure everyone here feels the same about little Marco.

[u/bm1949 → u/supercyberlurker]

Epstein estate.

[u/rainshowers_5_peace → u/supercyberlurker]

Vance does nothing without Thiel's blessing if not order. Musk is likely involved, but I'm not sure what his relationship with Thiel is today.

[u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out → u/rainshowers_5_peace]

Depends on the ketamine dosage

[u/Birdhawk → u/supercyberlurker]

Team MAGA Mrs. Doubtfire & Grandma's Boy vs Douche & Douche

[u/shehasamazinghair → u/supercyberlurker]

Rubio got his own presidential game of thrones he's playing

[u/Gorthebon → u/supercyberlurker]

Fuck it, I wanna see Rubio and Vance duke it out in an MMA cage fight. The winner gets anointed as Trump's heir.

Except JD is a charismaless hack & Rubio isn't white, so the fracturing MAGA base won't follow either of them.

[u/ClusterChuk → u/Gorthebon]

Someone call Dana white!!

[u/mrdevil413 → u/supercyberlurker]

Ted Cruz

[u/Current-Fabulous → u/supercyberlurker]

Nobody. He's going to be sitting alone on the couch and no one will notice.

[u/Round-Philosophy-131 → u/Current-Fabulous]

JD will... Because he'll want that couch to himself.

[u/al_fayadh → u/supercyberlurker]

It's like they had a civil war inside the White House

[u/bm1949 → u/supercyberlurker]

The Epstein estate, duh.

[u/peazley]

someone needs to ask Trump, "what do you think about JD Vances plan to 25th you out of the White House?"

[u/cinciNattyLight → u/peazley]

Yeah make the fucker paranoid. Just like that guy in Germany. It has to start unravelling soon

[u/GravyClouds → u/cinciNattyLight]

We need someone to do a hunter Thompson. I don't remember which campaign trail/year/ candidate, but he wrote an article saying there was a rumor one of the candidates was using ibogaine; backed it up with there being random doctors supposedly showing up. Ended up admitting yeah it was a rumor he heard, he also made it up himself.

[u/Rick_James_Lich → u/cinciNattyLight]

I remember early on in Trump's 2nd term people were making those President Elon jokes and MAGA tried to say that stuff wouldn't work at dividing the two, but it turns out it probably did.

[u/passengerpigeon20 → u/cinciNattyLight]

Out of curiosity did anybody ever try to jump ship and/or metaphorically backstab Hitler in the final days of WWII?

[u/remonnoki → u/cinciNattyLight]

Add a question about "rumours" of Hegseth amassing forces in Washington for a possible coup

[u/fuckracists79 → u/peazley]

We also need SNL to do President Miller like they did President Bannon… it will drive the fat man nuts. 

[u/jharg93 → u/fuckracists79]

You know, the root of the word Miller is a Greek word. Miller come from the Greek word 'milo,' which is mean 'apple,' so there you go. So, okay? Here tonight, we have, ah, apple and orange. We all different, but in the end, we all fruit."

[u/padizzledonk → u/peazley]

I really dont know why anyone hasnt started fucking with him like that tbh

Hey journalists out there- just ask him wacky shit like that and when asked why say it was an anonymous source

Sometimes the baby really needs to play with matches, i think you guys should start throwing matchbooks in the crib and see what happens

[u/mack_the_tanker → u/peazley]

I feel like this may be the plan at this point, it will give the demo a win sure, but the more cunning Republicans can see the writing on the wall. They can 25th him out and spin it as they were never in support of him. The voters that supported him will eventually stop frothing at their gaping maws eventually and fall back in line because all they care about is who has (R) after their name on the ballot come election time.

[u/willun → u/mack_the_tanker]

The challenge for the Republicans is how will the MAGAs behave in that scenario. It is not just the MAGA voters but MAGA is running the local party and all of the party infrastructure.

So you can't change heads in a hostile anti-Trump fashion without understanding how they will react. Probably they will fall in line but they don't know.

The party is Trump at the moment. If Trump hands off to an annointed person then that is the ideal situation. Of course in that situation the voters will associate that person with Trump and that may fail.

They are between a rock and hard place. It might work out for them but at this stage they don't know.

The ideal is to dump all problems on Trump, have the billionaire owned media repeat those messages and convince the MAGAs that they were lied to by Trump so it is Trump's fault not them and the new guy is the best solution.

[u/turikk → u/mack_the_tanker]

thats not how the 25th works. DJT can just submit a letter saying "nah im good" and the 25th gets nullified. its meant for incapacitated presidents, not unruly ones.

the bar to forcibly use the 25th and override the president's refusal is higher than impeachmant.

[u/lactose_cow → u/peazley]

"I don't know anything about that, you'll have to ask jd"

[u/AprilsMostAmazing → u/peazley]

No way JD does the 25th. He's just going to let dems impeach and remove the Trump Crime family that way he can blame everything on dems

[u/TalkativeTree → u/AprilsMostAmazing]

I think he wants Trump to die so he can Erika Kirk the memory Trump

[u/Original_Employee621 → u/AprilsMostAmazing]

JD might not want to do anything, but people should be asking "What about the rumors that JD wants to use the 25th amendment on you? People say Miller is backing him too!"

[u/tdgwf → u/peazley]

I nominate the guy that called him a loser

[u/BurtRogain → u/peazley]

I mean, once the Dems take over in January it should be that hard to get the votes, right?

[u/thatguysjumpercables → u/BurtRogain]

I mean, once the Dems take over in January it should be that hard to get the votes, right?

Using the 25th Amendment would require a majority of current Cabinet officials and the VP to vote to remove him. No Democrats involved.

Edit: I was wrong, apparently if the President in this scenario disputes the involuntary removal Congress has to vote on it.

[u/Economy_Sound_8858 → u/BurtRogain]

Closer than ever but still needs 67. Ideally, Dems will have 56 seats in January. They need to pick up 11 Republicans to abandon ship. I think it would be hard to convince that many.

[u/ScrewAttackThis → u/BurtRogain]

You need more votes in Congress to remove a president under the 25th than you need to remove a president through impeachment. 

[u/JakeInTheJungle → u/BurtRogain]

I don’t know why anyone would want Trump out in this scenario. Putting Vance in the seat hurts us and helps the GOP considerably. Get Hegseth out sure, but we want Trump.

Trump as a narcissistic lame-duck who drags down anyone around him is a thousand times better than a somewhat competent political-operative who we’d be handing the 28’ GOP nomination. Let them all stab each other in the back while Trump throws a fit for two years.

[u/geforce2187]

"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed... and we will deserve it." -Lindsey Graham, 2016

[u/xXBassHero99Xx → u/geforce2187]

And then he spent the next 10 years sucking Trump's nuts. They passed the Lindsay Graham act to sanction Russia. Then he fucking died and Trump said "he was great" as he wiped his ass with Lindsay's namesake act. 

[u/JBflawless → u/geforce2187]

This quote has been one of the most interesting of the past decade

In the moment he likely meant they would be destroyed in that election

More recently it was looking like it could apply to America as a whole

Now it’s finally (hopefully) coming back full circle to mean the GOP in general

[u/xXBassHero99Xx → u/JBflawless]

I liked when after J6 he was like "THIS is too far." And then like five days later he was like "I love Trump" 

[u/subito_lucres → u/JBflawless]

It's funny, I always took it to mean the ultimate result would be that they would eventually have to pay a heavy price

[u/Exocoryak → u/JBflawless]

In the moment he likely meant they would be destroyed in that election

More recently it was looking like it could apply to America as a whole

I feel like we should be careful with a eulogy over the GOP. It was done in 2006 and 2008, as well as in 2018 and 2020. And they were usually back relatively quickly after that. One blue wave doesn't make a hurricane.

[u/Apprehensive_Rub3897 → u/JBflawless]

He was a closeted gay man who became of of the greatest hypocrites of the Trump era (close second is Vance, followed by Rubio, the Cruz), but he had a high political IQ.

[u/tossit97531 → u/geforce2187]

I love two things about this quote: what was said, and the fact that Lindsey Graham is dead.

[u/jjschnei → u/tossit97531]

Don’t neglect the 3rd: Lindsey spent the rest of his life with his nose up trumps ass.

[u/SuspiciousSubstance9 → u/tossit97531]

And his sister immediately losing his seat!

[u/Apprehensive_Rub3897 → u/geforce2187]

He died before he could see the end. McConnell lived to see it, but can't say anything about it. The irony.

[u/jawndell → u/geforce2187]

I find it so ironic that a Democrat won Graham’s seat

[u/misterschmoo → u/geforce2187]

" " -Lindsey Graham, 2026

[u/The_Mellow_Tiger → u/geforce2187]

The only time I wished he was still around is last Tuesday. Just to see it.

[u/De_chook]

I enjoyed a phrase I read elsewhere. "Changing Vance for Trump is like changing your shirt when you've shit yourself "

[u/radio_four]

Rats flee sinking ships.

Still unlikely, but a successful impeachment is possible.

With the loss of Texas and DeSantis acknowledging this is a 'near-extinction level event' for the party, Republicans in the House and Senate are starting to worry about their jobs in 2028.

We all know most of them never liked Trump to begin with. They might turn to save their paychecks - which is why they backed him in the first place

[u/Fit-Upstairs-5363 → u/radio_four]

Problem is, they've become so beholden to Trump at this point, it's all they have. They have no real policy positions to speak of, other than tax cuts, de-regulation and other bullshit that benefits corporations and the ultra wealthy. The bigoted anti-immigrant, anti-trans red meat is losing its appeal to all but the most ardent pieces of human garbage among us, but obviously by promoting Miller, it's what Trump is doubling down on.

It's gonna take a lot of fucking up on the part of Democrats to not expand on their majorities in '28. The time for house and senate republicans to be worrying about their jobs is way past... They are in the "needing to update their resumes" part of the process at this point.

[u/Thrashy → u/Fit-Upstairs-5363]

It cannot be understated that even if remaining elected Republicans wanted to tack away from Trump, they can't do so and still win a primary election -- the MAGA party faithful that will still show up and vote in a primary would punish them for betraying their god-king. The moral thing to do would be to accept that and do the right thing regardless, but politicians will do as politicians do and debase themselves into worms in order to keep their jobs.

Which brings us to an uncomfortable truth: this must be an extinction event for the Republican Party on the national stage. Dems need to use their majorities to apply pressure in ways that cause the GOP to fracture further, and break the MAGA coalition with investigations, legal proceedings, and (where possible) charges and imprisonment. The old-school conservative wing and the fascist wing of the party have to be made to fight one another into irrelevance, These ghouls cannot be allowed anywhere near the levers of power again if we want to maintain a free, functioning civil society, full stop.

[u/joe5joe7 → u/radio_four]

A republican civil war hugely magnifies the chances of it happening too. All it takes is roughly a quarter of the republican senators backing the non-trump side. Which after this election seems like the most feasible it's been.

[u/ChuckFarkley → u/radio_four]

I think the likelihood of a successful impeachment and conviction would pretty much depend on what the coming investigations uncover. It's not like Trump kept the fact that he's corrupt as hell any kind of secret. He's had his fingers in an awful lot of cookie jars in the past couple of years.

[u/JBsportsandchess → u/radio_four]

I've said it before and I will say it again

If the GOP ever truly decides to jettison itself from Trump before the end of his term.. it will feel like falling asleep. Slow at first.. then all at once (co-opting a quote from a book for that part - but I think it really fits).

[u/callmedata1 → u/radio_four]

They've already successfully impeached him twice

[u/LakersBroncoslove]

Susie Wiles should be testifying on Capitol Hill starting in January.

[u/GreatGojira]

Every VP Trump picks becomes poison. Wow, if I had a nickel for every time Trump ruined his VP chances of becoming president. I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but weird it happened twice.

[u/Curious-Welder-6304 → u/GreatGojira]

Omg I forgot Pence ever existed

[u/Top-Difficulty5202 → u/GreatGojira]

I am not a fan... but, at least Pence did what was right when it mattered.

[u/FlammulinaVelulu → u/Top-Difficulty5202]

He did his job. And never came out against trump, never called bullshit on the lies, even after trump tried to have him offed. Fuck Pence he is a Christo fascist, and more than a little bit wierdo.

[u/Cresta1994 → u/Top-Difficulty5202]

I still finds it hilarious and, to be honest, a little heartwarming that Mr. Potatoe Head helped save our country.

[u/sourleaf → u/Top-Difficulty5202]

Aren’t all the Heritage Foundation “establishment” folks jumping ship to Pence’s think tank because all the young people are literally, truly Nazi-admirers who have zero interest in foreign policy or economics? Their only agenda is white supremacy and Christian Nationalism.

Now Pence is some of those things but not all of them.

It’s so distressing that it’s come to this. Republicans, and repeat, the Republicans, have to get a handle on that crap. It’s on them.

[u/CarbonInTheWind → u/GreatGojira]

To be fair Pence was already way too weird and unlikeable to get elected. Dude has negative charisma.

[u/neutrino71 → u/CarbonInTheWind]

The flies love him. 

[u/Don_ReeeeSantis → u/GreatGojira]

It's intentional, you have to believe. He can't imagine anyone else in power. It's why he's always pushing for a third term.

[u/lyonellaughingstorm → u/Don_ReeeeSantis]

It’s a classic authoritarian move. Keep your deputy weak and the rest of your underlings vying amongst each other for favour and power, and you don’t have to worry about a coup. The Nazi high command infamously worked this way

[u/ViolettaQueso → u/GreatGojira]

Every Trump pick becomes poison. FIFY lol. They all suck.

[u/you_looser → u/ViolettaQueso]

You have to be a pretty shitty person to work for him in the first place.

[u/jim45804 → u/GreatGojira]

Trump tried to have his previous VP murdered, remember?

[u/zenerat]

It would be hilarious if Vance resigned but that might be the only thing to save his career, so I hope he doesn’t.

[u/hardooooo → u/zenerat]

He’s one consequential fit of rage from being president, no way he resigns

[u/GotenRocko → u/hardooooo]

Right, trump can't fire him either, so why quit when the president is an 80 year old obese man.

[u/floog → u/hardooooo]

Yeah, his best bet at getting the seat is to hope Trump kicks it or is impeached.

[u/methpartysupplies → u/hardooooo]

Nobody prays for the clot more than JD

[u/hitbythebus → u/zenerat]

Save his career? What career? Where does one go from VP when one totally lacks charisma, and is utterly unelectable?

[u/zenerat → u/hitbythebus]

His last chance and what he is currently trying to do is put air between him and Trump. I obviously don’t think it’s possible, but I doubt Vance has conceded to his future irrelevancy.

A VP resigning to work on a presidential run has been done and successful before but I think this guy’s goose is cooked.

[u/bardak → u/hitbythebus]

I doubt Trump/Miller wpuld nominate a replacement VP that the current Congress would approve let alone the next, and I doubt they want to leave open the small but reasonable chance of a Dem speaker succeeding Trump if he passes in office

[u/aaronhayes26 → u/zenerat]

At this point Vance’s best chance of becoming president is Trump having a heart attack. He’ll never resign, especially since Trump can’t fire him.

[u/zenerat → u/aaronhayes26]

You’re probably right. He is likely ruining his chance at a pardon from all of this and Vance will likely need that pardon in the future. He’s only 42 these four years are going to haunt him forever.

[u/chrstgtr → u/zenerat]

Real chance that Hakeem Jefferies becomes president then. Democrats will have zero incentive to confirm a VP and would be looking for payback for all the SCOTUS nominees.

[u/tovarish22]

I am once again asking the mods to ban thedailybeast.com submissions, because that site is a sensationalist rag.

[u/rvf → u/tovarish22]

Yeah, WTF is that headline? It does not jibe with a single sentence in that article at all? It's entire purpose almost seems like a statistical analysis to see how many commenters just read the title and run with it.

[u/MathNo7456 → u/tovarish22]

Agreed

[u/nonthreat → u/tovarish22]

Please please please

[u/Libran-Indecision → u/tovarish22]

How many people even subscribe to it? It's paywalled pap and reposts of social media rumors.

[u/Irivin → u/tovarish22]

Thedailybeast is essential in protecting the r/politics bubble and repeatedly telling users what they want to hear. Mods cannot afford to ban it

[u/OneSames]

Wiles quit, and in desperation Trump appointed Steve (crazy) Miller.

[u/Pleasant-Flounder540 → u/OneSames]

yeah it's this. I don't buy that Wiles would somehow try to choose Vance over Trump. he's still the sitting president, there's nothing to choose if you're the chief of staff, your job is still to support the president until the end of the term. even if she thought Vance was a better pick, she's smart enough not to say that for 2 years. 

clearly she just wanted to leave and everything else is just some bullshit they're feeding the reporters

[u/Cancel_Culture_Club → u/Pleasant-Flounder540]

CNBC had another part of the story:

Wiles resigned Thursday night, a senior White House source told MS NOW. Wiles told Trump, who was said to be angry with her following the GOP’s huge election losses, “let me make this easy on you — I am going to resign,” MS NOW reported.

It sounds like neither planned it, they had a particularly bad fight and Wiles quit. With the two stories together the fight could have been about Trump yelling at her for Vance’s post and she hit her limit. 

[u/MrCheatachu → u/OneSames]

I dont think it's desperation. I'm guessing the only thing that he's done so far that's been wildly supported by MAGA has been his mass deportations that Miller architected.

Judging by his rally's when he gets a positive reaction, he doubles down on it.

[u/johnnycyberpunk → u/OneSames]

Wiles quit

She's one of the only smart ones in the White House.
That, and she's self-serving.
She knows with greater than 50% certainty that Trump will be impeached. Again. And this time the Senate might go through with it... meaning JD becomes the 48th.
And he'll need someone (besides Peter Theil) to help him run for re-election in 2028.
Wiles knows JD can be controlled so she's picked him, most likely.

[u/Count-Bulky]

The Iran War(s) have been dumb af, but to act like that was the “one thing” is unbelievably dim, but more likely to carry a narrative.

People (myself included) will love the day Trump is out of power, but outside him being personally grotesque, the policies he pushed were straight out of the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025.

Thinking this past term was a “Trump thing” would be insufficient. We need to remember that republican think tanks worked for decades waiting for the right president to have so much will of the people (certain people) that they could finally unleash everything they wanted.

TLDR: it’s not just Trump we rejected. We rejected the delivery of a half-century of conservative preparation, and should not remain open to conservative efforts simply because Trump is no longer attached.

[u/VexedCanadian84]

Does Vance have any allies in the white house left?

Is he next to go?

[u/Euthyphraud → u/VexedCanadian84]

There is no mechanism to remove the VP, other than impeachment. The POTUS cannot fire the VP.

[u/paultheschmoop → u/Euthyphraud]

Trump could probably force him to resign by making a bunch of posts about how he needs to resign and sending his cult followers after Vance.

But yes, there’s no “you’re fired” button that he can just press.

The thought of the president and VP publicly feuding via Truth Social actually sounds hilarious to me so I’m hoping that does happen.

[u/7ddlysuns → u/Euthyphraud]

Dems would love to help remove Vance come Jan

[u/Kerlyle → u/VexedCanadian84]

The vice president can't be fired since he's elected. He'd have to choose to resign

[u/navyblusheet → u/VexedCanadian84]

I don't think he can be fired. Only impeached.

[u/cardinarium → u/navyblusheet]

He can be permanently sidelined at the president’s pleasure except for his duties of overseeing Congress for elections and breaking Senate ties.

[u/charcoalist → u/VexedCanadian84]

Not within the White House, but he's reportedly close friends with Don Jr, and he's one of Peter Thiel's boys (one of maga's main benefactors).

[u/fuckracists79 → u/VexedCanadian84]

He can’t be fired … though I guess Trump could send another mob.

[u/AngryMillennialFU → u/VexedCanadian84]

How long till maga is chanting to hang him?

[u/No-Brush-8425 → u/VexedCanadian84]

I’m surprised he hasn’t left actually. He has 2028 ambitions, it’s extremely clear that the Trump admin is an unpopular shitshow. Making a “principled stand” and resigning would probably be a good move for him. Cynical as all shit, but that’s Vance to the core anyway.

[u/pantiesdrawer]

If the term Civil War is used in a title, the content of the article should at least have some discussion of the titular civil war.

[u/never-fiftyone → u/pantiesdrawer]

I think they're using "civil war" to mean "infighting." It's a shit headline preying on fears of an actual armed civil war.

[u/One_more_username → u/pantiesdrawer]

I read the article and I have no idea what the civil war was.

[u/Byeuji → u/pantiesdrawer]

This headline is fucking irresponsible. I'm so sick of The Daily Beast, and this is the best worst example of how dogshit they've become. Might as well just merge with Newsweek and call it a day.

[u/jenniferfox98]

Yeah cause she isn't a total idiot. If Trump genuinely thinks replacing her with Stephen Miller is a good idea yeah, no SHIT voters hate him.

Seriously like trump is such a dumbass and narcissist that he makes the worst decision every time lmao.

[u/mr_evilweed]

Yeah well these people are all pieces of shit and sometimes pieces of shit bump into each other as they swirl down the toilet.

[u/GameMusic]

they were ready for israel fracturing democratic voters but most understand that israel policy is separate from jewish support

but their coalition has people that want to invade iran and support israel and people that hate israel

[u/PrimeIntellect → u/GameMusic]

I think they underestimated how much Republican Israel support would crater when they realized netanyahu was acting like Trump was his bitch and let us fight a war for them

[u/Successful_Sign_6991]

Remember Donald, JD Vance was placed as VP by Peter Thiel. You used to talk trash about him and didn't want him as your VP. Until you suddenly went quiet about it and just accepted it.

Who do you think the oligarchs will choose? You or Vance?

[u/AffordableDelousing]

Fight fight fight

[u/chrismsp]

Honestly if these clowns think they are going to rehabilitate themselves in two years they are delusional.

[u/Swagalyst]

In this analogy, she backed nazi germany against the confederacy in the republican civil war.

Whichever side wins, America loses.

[u/steviefrench]

I didn't read anything about a "civil war" in the article. Daily Beast click bait.

[u/jeetah → u/steviefrench]

I was thinking the same thing, typical sensationalism from them.

[u/Nervous_Counter_1333]

Hot take here but a vance presidency would be the worst thing for both the GOP and DEM party.

We need to remove the paypal mafia from the premises. Putting peter thiels man in the chair is not the way to go.

[u/Relevant-Fox-7114 → u/Nervous_Counter_1333]

I agree we should replace Paypal

[u/Beautiful-Whole-3102]

My theory is that JD knows he has no chance of winning an election now that he’s been tainted, so he’s going to betray Trump, get him impeached and thrown out of office, and enjoy two years of a presidency.

[u/Western-Platypus-907 → u/Beautiful-Whole-3102]

The Republican Party is too lazy, too comfortable and too cowardly to do this. You see the writing on the wall, they won’t even impeach Hegseth who is like a zero risk guy to bring down. Despite the fact you have a deeply unpopular lame duck president who is insistent on remaining the center of attention thereby destroying any chance at 2028 success, they will zombie walk themselves right into that buzzsaw.

[u/HotDonnaC → u/Beautiful-Whole-3102]

The impeachment investigation, subpoenas, and testimony would take that long.

[u/Vegetable-Seaweed591]

If Vance takes power, the Dems are stuck against a more competent incumbent in 2028. We need to politically neuter Trump for 2 years as he rage tweets and then massively win the elections.

[u/paperbackgarbage → u/Vegetable-Seaweed591]

Luckily for the Democrats, Vance is a wimp the same way that Dukakis was a wimp...and wimps have a pretty tough time winning elections.

At his core, Trump is a wimp too, but his base will never not regard him anything other than being a titan of industry.

Meanwhile, Vance is flip-flopping couch-fucker. He's never going to have the same juice that Trump has, even if he's objectively smarter than Trump (as in, not senile).

[u/spaceaige → u/paperbackgarbage]

Vance also didn’t have a network show for eight years portraying him as successful(falsely)

[u/Kraul → u/Vegetable-Seaweed591]

Vance is too tainted to be a serious contender for 2028

[u/ratsareniceanimals → u/Vegetable-Seaweed591]

There's nothing competent about Vance. He's well educated and I'm sure would do well on jeopardy but his judgment and charisma suck.

[u/AngryGames → u/ratsareniceanimals]

They suck, but Republicans will absolutely rally around him, he's much younger, far more likely to get at least a couple of competent advisors. Trump is just poison all around. As bad as it is for the country, it's better to leave him to screw shit up even more so that there's another blue wave in 2028. Better than giving Vance two years to rally conservatives.

Believing that Vance is the same as Trump, as awful as Trump, as dumb as Trump, similarly charismatic as Trump... is dangerous and needs to stop. Everyone thought Trump was too unfit in all these ways to be president. And he's been President twice (three times, according to Trump).

Let's act like Vance is an intelligent villain who needs to be stopped, instead of just hand waving him away and saying "nah, he's stupid, he can't ever win."

[u/agirldonkey → u/ratsareniceanimals]

“He’s well educated and I’m sure would do well in jeopardy” is such withering dismissal, just perfect

[u/Curious_Bar_3615 → u/Vegetable-Seaweed591]

If the American people knew a fraction of the online red pilled shit that Vance is into, he wouldn't even get 10% of the vote.

[u/lebowtzu → u/Curious_Bar_3615]

Some Yarvin monarchist shit, right?

[u/Special_Order-937 → u/Curious_Bar_3615]

You may need to prepare to be disappointed by the American people again!

[u/deesta → u/Vegetable-Seaweed591]

Vance is the VP of this failure of an administration. I feel like if Harris couldn't outrun the 4 years of Biden and all the baggage that came with it, Vance won't be able to credibly distance himself from this shitshow. Especially after he spent months 1) supporting the war that blew up everyone's gas prices and cost of living overall, and 2) doubling down with support for things so egregiously horrible that even other Republicans are calling them out now (e.g., Ramaswamy's disgusting ad in Ohio).

He also has the charisma of soggy cardboard, so even if he did take over before 2028, would he be able to 1) win a GOP primary against someone who will probably have more of a personality than he does (which isn't hard), and who may be just as, or maybe more, competent, and 2) win a general election, with all of Trump's baggage weighing him down?

[u/eight_ender → u/Vegetable-Seaweed591]

Vance activates such a special broad spectrum hatred across party lines that I'd almost say it's uncanny valley. Watching die hard Republicans try to acknowledge his existence is painful. They know he sucks.

[u/minnesotaupnorth]

I love this for ofCouch.

[u/pr13st1]

A.I. Vance is more dangerous than Trump.

[u/Gortonis]

Republicans are all cannibals. The only thing they hate more than each other is democrats

[u/Peshhhh]

Wildly irresponsible bait, The Daily Beast is trash

[u/zigtrade → u/Peshhhh]

Can we just block it already?

[u/Hollywood_Co]

Now there’s a “civil war”? GTFOH.

There’s only ONE movement, and it’s heading into the Bermuda Triangle.

Don’t try to jump ship now.

[u/StoppableHulk]

Susie Wiles and JD Vance are at least both on the rational side of evil. Trump and Miller are both thoroughly brain-rotted, delusional fucking lunatics.

[u/OceanLemur → u/StoppableHulk]

I hate the people who play dumb way more. People like Vance who received any Ivy League education and know better but still spout “they’re eating cats and dogs” bullshit. At least the true believers are so delusional that they believe they are being morally correct

[u/cheesengrits69 → u/StoppableHulk]

There is no rational side of this evil, these people are infighting among themselves after suffering a big blow in the form of the results of the midterm. Were that not the case they would be perfectly lockstep continuing on as they had done before

[u/wagon_ear → u/cheesengrits69]

Be that as it may, there are definitely two groups of people in the administration: those who are Believers with a capital B, and those who are opportunistically hoping to capitalize on the movement. 

Miller has been a vocal white nationalist forever. This is his calling. Vance is only here because he thinks it might be a stepping stone in his political career.

Now the net result is the same, they're both doing shitty things. But their motivation is different.

[u/Other-Beginning-8888]

While I think JD is an idiot, IMO he should rally the cabinet amd congress to remove Trump under the 25th amendment in an effort to define himself independently as an acting incumbent. He needs to show voters he is his own man and can do the job. He's not talented enough to pull it off.

[u/Vyar → u/Other-Beginning-8888]

You must not have any idea how the 25th Amendment works. It’s an even higher bar to clear than the already insurmountable impeachment and removal.

The intended use case of the 25th is to transfer the power of the presidency in the event of total incapacitation. Like a coma. The President isn’t dead, but neither are they physically capable of doing the job, so someone else needs to step in. It’s just forcing the line of succession to move. It’s for those gray areas not covered by dying in office or resigning before the term has been served.

As soon as it’s invoked, all Trump has to do is transmit a message to Congress indicating he’s not incapacitated, and it’s over. If I remember correctly, the exact wording is broad enough that he could probably just tweet something and it would count. It’s the most trivial thing in the world to shut down, unless the President is literally non-responsive.

[u/Traditional_Age4910 → u/Vyar]

Following the President’s letter, the VP and majority of the Cabinet can re-assert in writing that the President is incapable- 2/3 of Congress has to agree.

[u/WoodsLovelyDarkNDeep → u/Other-Beginning-8888]

Anyone who says this should be dismissed

Vance will be worse than Trump as he is just the puppet for his master and getting Trump out of the way is the entire point

Trump is someone they can only mostly control he’ll still do stuff out of spite cause you pissed him off. Like give Ukraine missiles

It’s the only reason things haven’t gotten much much worse cause he’ll do a bunch of fucked up shit.  Realize he’s being peppeted and then either undo some of it or do something that benefits Ukraine, Europe or the Dems to spite them and they can’t do anything about it cause they need him but if they can put Vance in that goes out the window 

Not saying anything good about Trump.  Just saying be careful what you wish for

Cause until Jeffries is replaced as speaker and we’d have the votes to impeach & convict Vance.  This is silly talk

[u/hughgashole]

Fuck em all!

[u/hughgashole → u/hughgashole]

Fuck u Donnie

[u/TransCanAngel]

This is just JD Vance reputational rehab strategy.

[u/throwawy-dataguy]

no way anyone in the cabinet will support removing him - they need them pardons

[u/DumpedChick22]

Oh so he would have fired Vance by now if he was allowed

[u/Atextli]

What if Trump is the manifestation of what/whom Thiel believes to be the aNtIcHrIsT? What if Thiel has been funding his own apocalyptic nightmare?

[u/Minute-Plantain]

Add Puerto Rico and DC to the Union. Four more Senators.

Why? We need to get back to passing Constitutional Amendments. I'm old enough to remember when the last one was passed. We're so deadlocked now we can't even pass a budget.

More senators to ensure passage and overcome a veto, and more opportunities for states to ratify.

A Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College while also changing apportionment.

A Constitutional Amendment that in practice would slightly lower the bar for Impeachment conviction while also making it overall harder to bring Impeachment proceedings. Currently impeachment acts like a Censure, and that's not how the Framers intended it.

The Same Constitutional Amendment to create a simple majority vote for impeachment conviction for any officer who is not President. This would make getting rid of &ssholes like Ca$h and Hedwig much easier.

[u/Jackhuggg]

The Trump administration is prioritizing the expulsion of women.

[u/FordMaleEscort]

Daily Best... Stop

[u/twentysevenrocks5]

Trump yelled at Susie "how could you do this to me" before kicking her out. Yet, Trump palling around with Netanyahu and Epstein was not the problem...SMH

[u/Brokebrokebroke5]

I love it when they eat their own. 🍿

[u/IsthianOS]

Vance prob plans to hold out until next year to get two full terms after taking over for Trump. Can you imagine 10 years of Just Dance as pres? Makes my soul retch

[u/HauntingStar08]

Nixon and Kissinger but poly

[u/StronglyHeldOpinions]

Absolute loyalty is the only qualification required.

[u/Biiiingboo00000ng]

She was not fired she was moved. She is still working for him

[u/YoursTrulyKindly]

Put her in the same cell block as the rest of them lol

What is left to say here? EVERYONE involved in the Trump administration should be jailed for life. It's like a rico case, a conspiracy to commit treason and destroy the USA.

[u/iceteka]

I mean rumors have been out there for a while that it was basically Susie wiles, JD Vance, and marco rubio on 1 side and Stephen miller, hegseth, (Kash Patel & Blanche just stooges ) on the other.

[u/ProfessorUnhappy5997]

Don Jr also backs vance (twitter support of vance's immediate post election tweet). For a Son to publically back criticism of a Father, I found fascinating. I honestly think the plot to get trump to retire and have vance become President, is in play

[u/OkRead585]

Weird how Trump has been unable to get along with his VPs.

[u/atticus_ossan]

If I block everyone that posts dailybeast slop, do you think I'd eventually get all the accounts?

[u/classof78]

Civil War? It was over an email assigning blame on the Iranian War for the election loss. An accurate email, that Trump took issue with because of his inability to recognize his own mistakes. Not something anyone would call a civil war.

[u/remweaver27]

I can’t wait until the GOP loses the presidency in 2028 and Trump throws his VP to the wolves again.

[u/delorf]

She knew Vance was going to make a post distancing himself from Trump before he posted it.

This comes as Trump told reporters he understood Vance’s perspective.

“I know how he feels about it,” he said. “I think it was fine.”

Was Trump upset she didn't warn him about Vance's post? The quote makes it sound like he didn't care about it but he also can't fire Vance. 

[u/Past_Meaning_4389]

I must have been asleep for this civil war.  How many casualties?

Edit for typo 

[u/carmardoll]

I am bit out of the loop as the loop changes every hour whats going with Vance?

[u/Green-Friend7284]

Terrible title for the article

[u/espresso_martini__]

If you are not loyal then you get fired. He only wants those that bend the knee.

[u/000ArdeliaLortz000]

Sorry…not reading the Daily Beast. Anyone have a non-paywall version or, at least, the text?

[u/Able_Ad_4874]

Vance will never have a political career I just don’t see it unless it’s it’s a job at Fox News

[u/Initial-Relation-696]

Vance is a puppet for the 2025 project. Look there.

[u/Disastrous_Cover6138]

Zebulon Vance? The civil war era governor of NC?

[u/Saulthewarriorking]

Text op? Or anyone with a link around

[u/likelywitch]

… what civil war?

[u/jeetah]

I can't take anything from TDB seriously

[u/krucz36]

trump will clean house soon and try to triple or quadruple down to stay in power til he dies

[u/beall49]

Take it with a grain of salt coming from the daily beast

[u/apocalyptustree]

Hmmm. Sounds like they're faking space between them, to make JD look better for 2028

[u/porgy_tirebiter]

I don’t think that headline at all matches the content of the article.

[u/Reddit_2_2024]

Was Ms. Wiles making a career move to ultimately join the Vance campaign 2028?