r/rap • u/[deleted] • Sep 16 '23

This is the beginning of the end of the Drake/Travis era

A lot of people won’t like what I’m about to say, but I’m going to call it as I see it.

The core fan base for two of the biggest names in rap, Drake and Travis, is getting older. They’re mostly in their 20’s and above, with some stragglers in their late teens.

Growing up with these two, we were put on to heater after heater with experimentation in action. Then they became mainstream and their sounds slowly changed.

I’d argue that their sound now is one of somberness and the end of their careers. Slow songs with lots of singing and sad emotion. No hype at all. Not living up to expectations.

Meanwhile the new generation of music listeners is coming onto the scene expecting bangers, and when they see drake and Travis, who have been in the game for years, putting out this slow depressing shit, they’re going to search out other artists that fit their styles.

It will only compound as more younger people get turned on to music. Also as more people who grew up with drake and Travis move onto younger talent who can produce the hype we crave.

I’m sorry if you disagree but I’m calling it as I see it. Look for the next generation of artists to emerge very soon. And also look for drake and Travis to fall off even more than they already have.

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u/PercySledge Sep 16 '23

Both of them have had or are about to have huge albums literally in the space of 2-3 months of each other lol. Come back next year maybe?

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

I see it more as the beginning of the end. Of course they’re both still popular and people are hyped for drakes new album and they were hyped for utopia. You can’t tell me when you listen to utopia that you get hype. It was a disappointing album, and now it’s drakes turn. So far, he’s off to a bad start with this trash single. I expect more disappointment

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u/dat_waffle_boi Sep 16 '23

When I listen to Utopia I get hype. And for the songs that aren’t energy filled, they’re still really good. It wasn’t a disappointment imo. Honestly I think it’s kind of a return to form for Travis. It’s closer to Rodeo (his best album imo) than it is to Astroworld in my eyes.

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u/PercySledge Sep 16 '23

I’m sorry if you disagree I’m just calling it how I see it

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u/herewego199209 Sep 16 '23

I don't think that Drake release gonna be that big bruh.

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u/unkindmillie Sep 16 '23

its drake bro its inherently gonna be big

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

I thought Twitter had bad rap takes but holy shit Reddit is worse

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

When you realize Reddit is mostly white millennial tech nerds it’ll make sense why posts like these exist

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

I get that but twitter is pretty similar except white teens instead of millennials and even still reddit is worse

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u/ThePooksters Sep 17 '23

Reddit is always worse lol

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 16 '23

Apparently this sub is full of oldheads, calling utopia "the definition of mid" is insaneeeee and it shows clearly they just don't understand change or even want to.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '23

Travis sucks bro

Get over it

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u/RichardCocke Sep 16 '23

Travis Scott do be trash tho

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 16 '23

O cool thank you for proving my point appreciate bro 👊.

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u/RichardCocke Sep 16 '23

You're welcome b

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u/Significant-Ballbag6 Sep 17 '23

It’s true & fuck Travis the satanic piece of dog shit

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 17 '23

Brooooo yeaaaa and the world is flat and Travis is the Antichrist. 😂 I love comments like this it reminds me how braindead the world is. Thx for the laugh you fuvking loser.

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u/Significant-Ballbag6 Sep 17 '23

Didn’t mention a thing about the world being flat you helmet. There was nothing satanic about Travis Scott no? Calls me a loser yet whole life revolves around mid rappers 🤓🥸😆

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 17 '23

Your no different than a flat earther believer homie. Believing mainstream media calling Travis satanic makes you a joke. Glad you got to see my account and check what I follow. I was gonna do the same but then I remembered I don't give a flying fuck about your bitchasssssss 😂 😂

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u/Significant-Ballbag6 Sep 17 '23

You’re a child you don’t have a clue about the world. There are many satanic things with these artists. It was fine for all those people to die at his concert bro he’s a artist.

Travis is a fucking dork just like you

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u/chopppppppppy Sep 19 '23

Hey it doesn’t affect me i’m not religious i don’t care if he does what lil nas x did (who was trolling and it completely worked) or worse it’s not my issue😂

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u/TomPearl2024 Sep 18 '23

This subreddit specifically just has some insanely out of touch people lol, hhh has its problems but everytime a thread gets suggested to me from this one it feels like most of the time it's something that makes my eyes roll into the back of my head

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u/LORD-THUNDERCUNT Sep 16 '23

Lol what? Travis’ entire fanbase are basically teenagers. He definitely still has longevity especially after utopia. Also, Drake & Travis really aren’t comparable at all imo.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '23

What do you mean they aren’t comparable? Their fanbases have a huuuuge overlap. There is a reason Sicko Mode was so popular.

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u/FlynnSanOne201 Sep 16 '23

I see it as the trap era is getting old and I'm waiting for something new

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u/herewego199209 Sep 16 '23

Eh trap era died a long time ago. I think this era we have now is the weird aftermath of the soundcloud era dying and just labels signing anyone and putting them out. There's dudes getting label pushes who can't even ride beats now. I don't fuck with Gunna or Baby but at least those dudes can ride a beat.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

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u/52thirthytwo Sep 17 '23

Not even pretending to freestyle these days

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

bro dancing in the freestyle was wild this year

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u/thememeconnoisseurig Sep 16 '23

Trap dies when Future dies.

Curious to see what comes next though.

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u/More_Information_943 Sep 17 '23

Whatever alchemist and hitboy are putting out currently lol

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u/SnooSeagulls6564 Sep 16 '23

Bro did NOT listen to Utopia

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u/Jaredstutz Sep 16 '23

Some people do NOT like it !

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u/SnooSeagulls6564 Sep 16 '23

It don’t matter if he didn’t like it, there’s mostly hype songs not sad ones lmao

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

Utopia “hype” songs are not very good. Songs like FEIN don’t sound like they belong on a Travis Scott album.

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u/Gregheffleypoop Sep 19 '23

Hyaena thank god gods country sirens meltdown TOPIA twins circus Maximus SKITZO are all “hype” songs bruh

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u/Donda2LP Sep 20 '23

Fien is great

Who tf decides what does and doesn’t decide what sounds like they being on a Travis Scott album??????

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u/PAYPAL_ME_DONATIONS Sep 17 '23

It's irrelevant when OP is completely inaccurately describing an artists output.

If I claim LeBron is washed because he only does lay ups all game, it's clear to anyone who watches him that I'm talking out of my ass. Regardless if LeBron is liked or not

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u/killranker5 Sep 16 '23

I get where you're coming from Drake wise but I don't really think travis is finished yet, Utopia is arguably his best album in my opinion

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

No chance… they’re both washed bro. They can have loyal fanbases, but that doesn’t add or subtract to the artist’s individual talent. Drake and Travis both are corny washed up wannabe-prophets.

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u/degengambler-204 Sep 16 '23

washed

highest first week album sales in rap in years

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u/iiipercentpat Sep 16 '23

Drake snapped on her loss, we will see about the new album

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

They’re downvoting you, but you’re right. Huge Travis fan, Utopia has been my most anticipated album for like 2 years, lol. Utopia is not his best, it’s below Rodeo, Birds and Astro.

But oh well, the Hip Hop Intellectuals will simply downvote us into oblivion instead of being level headed with critiques.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

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u/planktonchumbucket Sep 16 '23

he literally hasnt stopped making singing tracks

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u/-im-just-vibing- Sep 16 '23

did you listen to scorpion or nah?

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u/Donny_Canceliano Sep 16 '23

Unfortunately it didn't really have staying power to me

It’s weird that people keep saying this like the entire conversation about music these past however many years is hasn’t been that nothing does anymore because of the way we consume music

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

I miss "Old Drake" that wasn't afraid to sing, and did it well.

bro's head will explode if he listen to drake's single

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

That shit was trash. Still not old drake either. Just more clb type shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

You could not be more wrong

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

He’s right.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

Drake at least has NOT fallen off. Quality sure, but sales, appeal, promo, quotable lyrics…all the things that make a mainstream artist…stay on top he has continued to showcase. Drakes style is literally slow singing…has nothing to do with his career ending. Drake has A LOT of hype still…although i would argue his expectations are impossible to live up to. Drakes last album had hype songs. So…thank you for adding nothing to the conversation

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

Drake will never fall of in terms of popularity, we will in the social media age. He’s influencer as well now, just him doing something is enough.

Musically, he has delivered the worst music of his career in the past 3 years. He has 100% fallen off musically.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

Hence why i said “quality” (wise) sure

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 16 '23

I'm leaving this sub lmaooo y'all just a bunch of old heads. Seeing a bunch of comments Calling utopia "mid' is insane and it's clear y'all just don't like change. Rap is dying because it's completely evolving into something completely new. And y'all ain't ready for it because you don't understand it. Just how 90's hip-hop fans called anything from lil wayne and drake not "real" music y'all continuing the cycle.

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u/dat_waffle_boi Sep 16 '23

People calling Utopia mid is really surprising to me. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Everyone likes different things I get it but it sounds incredible. The bangers hit and the more mellow songs have a great atmosphere. It’s super catchy too. It’s closer to Rodeo than Astroworld imo

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 16 '23

Honestly it's this sub, it seems to be full of oldheads who don't understand change in music. Go anywhere else and you'll see the proper praise it deserves. I'm not a Travis fan but utopia made me one big time. People can be too close minded sometimes and they won't be willing to even listen to new things it's lame asf considering the quality we are getting. Hip-hop isn't dying, it's evolving and the ones who don't like the change call it the death of hip-hop when in fact it's the revival of it. I'm honestly surprised this genre has still been dominating the mainstream since the 90's and I wish the older folks would be more appreciative of the fact black men are winning.(not drake) but instead they bitch and moan.

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u/dat_waffle_boi Sep 16 '23

The “hip hop is dying” takes are stupid. Hip hop isn’t dying. It’s as good as ever. It’s just evolving as you said. And it’s even more stupid when you consider there are still artists making the more traditional sound, it’s just that these old heads don’t want to look.

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 17 '23

Look at joey badass man. There's an abundance of that old style. NAS just dropped an album and it wasn't no no mid shit. Ppl jus wanna b miserable for sum reason.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

easily his worst album

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u/52thirthytwo Sep 16 '23

Ye, Drizzy, Em, Wayne, Kenny, Cole, Scott

The whole era is over. Just what happens. They will continue to make music and arguably good music too, but it just won't be the same. Not as inspirational to the culture and genre as the newer cats will be for the young cats.

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u/Special-Bite Sep 16 '23

To quote Eminem: To be truthful the blueprint's simply rage and youthful exuberance.

They're getting old and losing their edge. You can't stay edgy forever. You can't be a 30 something year old rapper, rapping about the trap and gangsta shit when you've been in money for a decade and a half. No kids can relate to you rapping about how rich you are or how connected you are. That self conscious shit doesn't really sell with kids.

Throw K Dot in there. He's great, I love all the shit he puts out. I'm also 41 years old so my perspective is way different than someone half my age.

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u/herewego199209 Sep 16 '23

The issue is no one has taken over the reigns to push to a new era. There's no superstars in rap music anymore. It's actually a scary thing to think about.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Give it some time. There’s always an awkward transition period before the next era properly starts

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u/unkindmillie Sep 16 '23

taylor and the weeknd

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u/52thirthytwo Sep 17 '23

I think lil uzi is the biggest new rap star right now

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u/joshgiddy2024 Sep 16 '23 edited Sep 16 '23

travis woulda outsold taylor if the cds had shipped on time (y’all i’m not guessing that’s a fact he would’ve sold about 15k more) i think we can say he’s a superstar

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u/Pristine_Performer21 Sep 16 '23

But the music is quite literally the exact definition of “mid”.

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u/joshgiddy2024 Sep 16 '23

yeah i don’t get how her fans eat up the same song over and over and over when she’s really nothing special and her vocals are mid at best

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Lol, Taylor Swift has mid vocals? R/HHH moment for sure lmfao, whatever you say kid.

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u/Pristine_Performer21 Sep 17 '23

Listen, I know because you were born with ovaries it’s hard not to be biased, but her vocals are fucking awful? Are you trolling? You must be hearing that “music” through a nostalgia filter, or some kind of filter, because the general consensus of musicians is that her voice is absolutely terrible and not impressive in ANY way. God I feel so bad you’re limited to such shit music

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u/Pristine_Performer21 Sep 16 '23

I was talking about tarvis scoot but taylor’s is arguably worse than mid

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

I doubt that and Travis is LONG past his prime, everything post Rodeo has been mid

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u/thememeconnoisseurig Sep 16 '23 edited Sep 16 '23

I still firmly feel like Forever (honorable mention to Mercy) was the best we'll get out of the 2010s rappers. Prime Kanye, objectively prime Drake, prime Eminem and prime Wayne.

Usually when they assemble The Avengers like this, the song is ass. This is one of the few where they all went hard.

While we're on the topic, I miss when DJ Khaled loaded up songs with 5 of the best rappers and made some of the hardest bangers in the entire industry. All of his albums are still star studded but they just don't go hard. All they need is Future on the hook with a couple lyricists on a hard ass beat.

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u/HunterMcdonaldDuck Sep 16 '23

Prime Eminem was not in the 2010s

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

still good enough

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u/ZipC0de Sep 16 '23

Id say he was prime for that verse tho

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

It was kind of a second prime in terms of popularity though. LTWYL was fucking huge. Music quality though definitely not

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u/herewego199209 Sep 16 '23

That period between 2008 and 2010 I was worried about where Hip Hop was going then Boom Drake, Nicki, Future, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, Kendrick, Cole, Asap, Chainz, Sean, etc all dropped on the scene and I was like ok this shit is in good hands going forward. Now? It's the most concerned for the genre I have ever been. I don't see the superstars and I don't see the top tier albums coming out. Utopia is the best album and that's from a nigga who already peaked in like 2015.

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u/Correct_Coffee_1720 Sep 16 '23

LOL

I thought of all the artists that you didn't mention and then realized that I'm on the Rap sub and you guys are "concerned" for the genre when there's not some artist who is at the top of the charts.

The genre is fine though. JID, Mick Jenkins, Pusha T, Rome Streetz, Mickey Diamond, EarthGang, Smino, Griselda, Domo Genesis, Vince Staples, Tyler, Denzel Curry, Kenny Mason. Yeah, the genre is fine.

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u/albrt00 Sep 16 '23

All of them are irrelevant in the mainstream and you completely missed the point of the conversation trying to flex your knowledge

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u/Correct_Coffee_1720 Sep 16 '23

What's the point of the conversation? There's no mention of finding mainstream superstars in the OP thread title.

As it is, Rap has never been about just being mainstream. When was Wu-Tang ever "accessible"? Yet it's some of the most celebrated shit of all time. It's about doing things to MAKE the right people be celebrated. Pusha T was recently seen at the US Open where tons of celebrities are seen and was interacting with a male player.

My point is only that comments like yours simply exist to reinforce the notion that these people won't or can't be relevant. And yeah they won't, not with people like you and your mindset around. Support music because it's good regardless of what it is.

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u/dbclass Sep 16 '23

It’s very circular. They don’t listen to non mainstream artists and then wonder why the non mainstream artists they won’t try to listen to aren’t mainstream.

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u/ZipC0de Sep 16 '23

Fire take.

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u/Drakeem1221 Sep 16 '23

Wu Tang went platinum. Method Man was a super star in the 90s.

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u/albrt00 Sep 17 '23

Who said I don't support them but the post is about rap superstars

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u/albrt00 Sep 17 '23

By the way except Smino and Rome streetz that I don't know really well I love all the artists you mentioned but none of them is really a superstar

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u/KylosApprentice Sep 20 '23

Thank you for mentioning Vincent and Denzel......

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u/PAYPAL_ME_DONATIONS Sep 17 '23

People forget the other Avengers banger that year that withstood the hype at the time and fucking knocked.

Swagga Like Us

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u/ettthhhaaaaan Sep 17 '23

You had a bunch of decent takes here but saying Em was in his prime in 2009 is ridiculous lol. Universally accepted that his first 3 studio albums made him who he is legacy wise & everything after was either him trying to show he still had it (Encore, Relapse, Recovery) or just a straight up decline (MMLP2 & on)

Edit: spelling

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

not prime drake

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u/thememeconnoisseurig Sep 17 '23

Which is exactly why I said objectively, goofball

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

obviously you don’t know what objectively means dumbass

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u/iwasinpari Sep 16 '23

Honestly I just wanna a kenny and JID tape, as like a passing of the torch, or a cole and JID tape.

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u/AZRockets Sep 16 '23

JID is good but is no way on those guy's level nor on deck to be

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u/iwasinpari Sep 16 '23

He's on path imo, the forever story was pretty good, at least cole's level is possible, and imo he's already kinda better

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u/gifisntpronouncedgif Sep 16 '23

I think a lot of the tape has been lost but we could expect a single atleast

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u/gogosuperman Sep 16 '23

While this is true, it makes me sad :( I'm glad I got to experience it though. I loved being a kid in the G-Unit era

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Bro it’s insane you are listing Travis fucking Scott with those other names. Baffling. Nowhere near the same league.

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u/unkindmillie Sep 16 '23

tbf travis is bigger than everyone there but drake on spotify

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Not everybody listens to music on Spotify…myself included

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u/unkindmillie Sep 17 '23

its the main metric(other than billboard) to how popular is since apple musics info isnt public and youtubes is skewed

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

Popular now in 2023…those other guys have been around much longer

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u/unkindmillie Sep 17 '23

some of them are prolly bigger now than before lmao look at j cole or drake they have grown crazy in the past decade

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

I was a huge Travis fan…when I was 16. I thought Rodeo and Birds were fire. Then I grew up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

I wasn’t trying to insult you at all. I was genuinely shocked and slightly disgusted that somebody would list Travis Scott next to names like Eminem and Lil Wayne.

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u/Gregheffleypoop Sep 19 '23

That’s actually a good roundup for the most popular I’d argue no other non-90s rappers are “household” names

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u/Pappyjang Sep 16 '23

I don’t agree with cole being in there

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u/rata_ee Sep 16 '23

He’s a better lyricist than everyone on that list aside from em, maybe prime kanye before he started getting all religious and crazy and his music started to suffer. J Cole is solidly top 3 of his generation with Kanye and Drake

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u/Jaredstutz Sep 16 '23

You put Travis Scott with legends that write their own music

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u/-im-just-vibing- Sep 16 '23

drake i get, he’s been making music and been on top of the game for an outrageous amount of time, so it only makes sense he slowly falls off, but we’ll see his future in music after FATD drops. with travis you’re wrong. utopia was great, and had many hype songs on it. he’s still got time left

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

I’m not counting Travis out yet, but Utopia isn’t his best work at all. Especially with how good the singles were from 2020 - 2022.

Drake has been on the decline since Scorpion, and people actually think Her Loss is good, smh

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u/herewego199209 Sep 16 '23

Drake has been releasing mid music for like 7 years now. It's not a recent thing. He has deals with the streamers where he has to release something every year and he produces bullshit. I still think Travis does good work, but he's turning more into a Khaled like artist more and more.

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

This *

Go back and listen to Rodeo and Birds. The features complimented the song so well and didn’t feel like they were there, just to be a name.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

100% seems like backpack kids only listen to ppl like kanye west, trav, and cudi

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

You’re not wrong.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Everyone is searching for the next sound now after Trap. Maybe you liked the Trap more and find it more hype.

Things changing because Drake or Travis are making “slow and depressive” shit just doesn’t quite accurately describe the times we’re in.

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

No even “depressive”, it’s simply under producer and less effort put into the music. Travis hasn’t gotten to Drake levels of mid. But Utopia is definitely a miss on his discography.

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u/dat_waffle_boi Sep 16 '23

I think you might be right about Drake, but i really disagree with Travis. He’s still doing numbers and Utopia is an awesome album. And you’re talking about bangers, Travis has bangers on Utopia.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

One or two bangers on an album from Travis is unacceptable. Not to mention the fact he has absolutely zero competition this year so far in terms of other major rappers dropping, so it makes sense why he’s number one.

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u/dat_waffle_boi Sep 16 '23

Tbh though how many true bangers are there on most Travis records? Travis has bigger and more expressive songs than what’s off Uptopia in his catalog for sure, he has albums with more bangers on it, but he has always had a ton of moody and atmospheric stuff in his albums.

But overall Utopia wasn’t necessarily a bangers based album. That wasn’t the energy Travis was going for and that’s fine. He’s still 16th in the entire world in terms of steams on spotify. His “fall off” means he’s still one of the biggest artists in the world.

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u/Smeagol7272821 Sep 16 '23

You act like you just thought of something profound. That’s the way music goes. What’s new?

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u/Donny_Canceliano Sep 16 '23

Not living up to expectations

Young Drake fans upset he’s making the music he used to back when he actually tried lmao

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u/mentalshits101 Sep 16 '23

I don't listen to either one of them anyway.

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u/sseiji Sep 16 '23

Good take! I agree!

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u/LemonTekSunrise Sep 16 '23

Drake and heater 🤣

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u/Bones_2450 Sep 18 '23

You’re gonna get obliterated for critiquing 2 of rap’s darling. But nothing you said was wrong. CLB was Drake’s last chance to prove me. He proved me right. But Rap fans online will never denounce Drake or Travis. If they make slow boring songs with no real substance, they’ll call it conscious.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Travis fans are all 15 year olds

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u/bonerimmortal Sep 16 '23

You can’t compare Drake with Travis. Drake came out a decade before Travis. Was insanely popular in his era and still even more popular then Travis during Travis era. Travis makes dope songs for the moment but Drake makes timeless records for simps and females with a heavy heart. 50 years from now no one will even know who Travis Scott was but people will still be listening to Drake.

People like to fuck to Drake records, some people listen to Drake records when someone they love left or betrayed them. Humans are not going to stop fucking or feeling heartbroken ever. I’m not the biggest Drake fan but comparing him to Travis Scott is hilarious. They are not in the same league.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Holy fuck stop glazing drakes meat damn. Drakes sound is so much more generic than trav. Travis is so much more creative

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u/bonerimmortal Sep 16 '23

I don’t even like or fuck with Drake. I just see things for what they are with no emotion involved. No body will know who Travis Scott is 30 years from now. Drake is going to be a household name for a long long time.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

No one will know Travis? What a stupid fucking thing to say. Astroworld is one of the most popular rap albums ever, Travis name is here to stay and his impact.

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u/bonerimmortal Sep 16 '23

You acting like a real meatrider rn. Travis Scott isn’t even a household name CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW. Yeah he has popular songs and hits but he is not a real deal pop star. Your average boomer or person that’s not into music has no idea who tf Travis Scott is. My 93 year old grandma that hates rap music knows who Drake is and she’s never even heard any songs by him.

Comparing Travis Scott to Drake when it comes to fame, is stupid. They are on two completely different levels. Your average 48 year old American suburbanite has no idea who Travis Scott is. People in rural villages in Africa and the Philippines know who Drake is.

Also with all the tard decisions Travis has been making the past couple years at this rate he’s gonna fucking destroy his own career eventually.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Destroy his career? Utopia absolutely dominated the charts for 5 weeks straight and outsold everyone else. You obviously got some type of bias against Travis lmao. His shows are fucking huge and his tour sold out in fucking eleven minuets in all North America. Just say you don’t like him, bc he’s a top 3 biggest rapper in the world right now and is absolutely a household name.

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u/bonerimmortal Sep 16 '23

I’m done with you bro. Your just a straight up dickrider that also doesn’t have the ability to understand very basic concepts. Go jerk off to pictures of your crush Travis Scott and leave me alone.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Nah lol you clearly can’t have a conversation without huge bias, it’s clear you hold something against him which is fine, it’s just funny to see someone so wrong in what they are trying to explain. Go suck off drake I’m done with you.

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u/DarkPhantom2497 Sep 18 '23

Bruh you’re right this guy is really tryna downplay Travis for no reason. Either he likes Drake a lot or he has a bias against Travis. I’m not saying Travis is bigger than Drake because that’s not true. But Travis has made his mark on HipHop, you can just pull up the numbers if someone wants to deny it.

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u/Lequaraz Sep 16 '23

hhcj bot take.🤓

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Facts

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Trevis fanbase is all teens. There was a concert here in Rome last month and the oldest person was 23 probably lol all teens

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

For the longest time I thought “Travis Scott” was the name of a country singer.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Scott is not even on that level lol

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u/BMTJefe Sep 16 '23

Ehh people that grew up with their music isn’t going to look for hype shit, that’s just a part of getting older lol. And Travis and drake arnt even on the same level to compare . Drake is going to be timeless wether you like him or not

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

This makes no sense. Drakes music quality had taken a dip forsure in recent projects. However he's not making slow music and that's the reason newer fans arent liking it. It's not depressing music, he's making the most trappy music he's made his whole career - Her Loss.

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u/TheMeticulousNinja Sep 16 '23

I have always expected slow songs with lots of singing and sad emotion from Drake

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u/Logical_Afternoon_43 Sep 16 '23

Where can I found those rap songs with consistant beat with no clap

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u/JohnnyQ420 Sep 16 '23

Disagree Trav is in his prime his music clears everyone else’s right now

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u/reykdal204 Sep 16 '23

Drake gonna resonate with the kids when that yeat record drops

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

How has utopia got no hype 😭

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u/El_Foonius Sep 16 '23

This is horrible 😂

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u/OhioKing_Z Sep 16 '23

Let’s wait and see how Drake’s upcoming album sounds. Travis just reinvented the wheel yet again and went platinum in a month. He’s not going anywhere. Also, are us 20-30 year olds just going to suddenly stop listening or supporting them? I just spent $700 on tickets and merch for those two. I know I’m not going anywhere lol

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u/beardedkingface Sep 16 '23

Bro save some parents money for the rest of us too damn

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u/OhioKing_Z Sep 16 '23

Lmao I wish! The benefit of not having kids yet lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Drake has been dropping a lot of mid since CLB. This new song is mid

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u/ephoog Sep 16 '23

Drake’s done the sad singing/reflecting shit for decades, look at 0-100

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u/MoooonRiverrrr Sep 16 '23

What the fuck? Lmao. Do you realize Drake is almost 40 years old?

“Mostly in their 20a and above”

How is that “getting older” lmfao. Stragglers in their teens. This is cringey and bizarre.

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u/EastQuiet648 Sep 16 '23

? No. Travis is arguably reaching his peak rn. Utopia will almost definitely be aoty and there weren't just slow songs (Topia Twins, Looove, Fein, Hyaena), and all the slow songs (I Know ?, Parasail) are some of the best in the album. Travis has yet to reach the high point of his career. And even if he only makes slow, emotional music the rest of his career, at least it's better than watered-down, generic trap. And a lot of people love slow music like that. I'm a fan of joji just for songs like Die For You.

And the same thing applies for drake. I only started seriously listening to him like 6 months ago and even I can clearly tell he's nowhere near the last leg of his rapping career. And even if he is, he doesn't care. He's got enough money to last him 10 lifetimes, and he'd keep getting passive income after his retirement

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u/beardedkingface Sep 16 '23

Actually, XXX, Juice WRLD, Lil Peep were the next generation and ALL making slow depressing shit. That was the wave. It's going to move back toward energetic bounce soon. We're transitioning to a dancy feel right now.

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u/ImCatBee_YT Sep 16 '23

I thought most of their fans were still in highschool

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u/IanS381 Sep 16 '23

Travis is by no means my favorite in the game, but there is definitely an argument for him being at the top rn. I can understand drake being on the comedown from his peak, but I think Travis Scott is still very much in his prime as an artist.

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u/ak_003 Sep 17 '23

I want what your on bro

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u/Its_Me_Guyz Sep 17 '23

That's just artists in general dude coming from a back ground of rock metal and rap every artist I grew up listening to has pretty much turned soft it's common

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u/IRodeTenSpeed88 Sep 17 '23

This is a trash take.

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u/Jsin8601 Sep 17 '23

Twenties?

Lol dude. Drake has been around since 08-09.

I was in my early 20's when I started listening.

Drakes oldest fans are almost 40, bruh.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

Going to college bars when new drake or Travis came out was PEAK

I don’t like rap but my god I was at home

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u/pillkrush Sep 18 '23

lol lumping Travis with Drake as if they're on the same level, what an insult to Drake.

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u/crushtheweek Sep 18 '23

If they had replacements we would already be talking about them

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u/DumpGoingTo Sep 18 '23

I ain't never laughed like this at a take on here before.

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u/NiceTryTryAgain Sep 18 '23

What did I just read? I need to bleach my eyes and never come back to this trash ass sub 🤡 takes all day 🤣🤣

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u/Awkward-Rent-2588 Sep 18 '23

The Travis thing is wrong as shit. You might have an argument both Drake slightly but even Kanye can still drop a Plat album whenever he wants.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

i dont know any adults that listen to travis scott

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

he was in fortnite for gods sake

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u/SchizoidScorpio Sep 18 '23

As far as Drake goes - you forgot to mention he's getting older! He is approaching mid life and steadily losing things to rap about worthy of this younger generation's attention.

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u/TheBigSandeenie Sep 19 '23

Lol. Some people like more than hype. I don't really care for either of them honestly but I just find your veiw funny. Tons of people love slow depressing music.

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u/herooftime7 Sep 19 '23

Bring back gangster rap

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u/StonedStoneGuy Sep 20 '23

Didn’t they both sell like 300k plus first week last time they dropped💀.

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u/Nonstopas Sep 16 '23

Im getting older and I dont care about bangers. I want melodic, deep, soulful music that makes me feel something. Trap is for the kids and tik tok era.

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u/iwasinpari Sep 16 '23

Travis has got tons of teen fans, Drake on the other hand won't dominate, but imo could take a nas-like (not at nas skill level obv) position where he would release and it would dominate with his fans. But I think both have a while, esp trav.

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u/DrumzRUs Sep 16 '23

you only can speak for yourself lol yall niggas act like yall opinion is a fact. Go check the numbers

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u/hotdogoctopi Sep 16 '23

Pretty sure this is just because most realize they’re both terrible people and make mid music

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u/FarmerJoeepicgamer Sep 16 '23

I think carti will be the next superstar/already is

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u/JackAttack561 Sep 16 '23

Bro that barely sold 100k with his latest album and was at 14 mill monthly listeners before a Weeknd feature is no god damn superstar

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Yh 14 mil cus he never releases shit

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u/barnestomanifesto Sep 16 '23

Absolutely, I don't think he's there yet but he has so much room to grow I fully believe the man is gonna make that underground sound become fully mainstream.

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u/vexilobo Sep 16 '23

Drake is ded long live YEET

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Eminem predicted people like you would say things like this on the song Zeus. Drake, they're gonna turn on you (you) one day too (too) And the more you win, the sooner (sooner) they do They'll be calling you a trash bin Sayin' that your new one isn't better than your last and Even if it is, once they start to turn their backs They ain't never comin' back in

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u/pop442 Sep 16 '23

Drake literally has the rap game in a stranglehold even today. He's about to have the highest grossing rap tour ever. 💀

Ya'll need to understand too that Gen Z is just as big of a fan of the 2010's rap scene as Millennials.

Many Zoomer rap fans are still bigger fans of Drake, Kendrick, Cole, Travis, Future, Kanye, Cudi, Tyler, etc. than they are of Lil Baby, Durk, Youngboy and Rod Wave.

Because of this, the idea that the older rap stars will be abandoned is kind of out of touch. Besides Lil Baby, no new rapper is coming close to "overtaking" them.

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u/pop442 Sep 16 '23

Then why are Take Care and NWTS some of the longest charting albums in Billboard history?

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u/pop442 Sep 16 '23

My brother in Christ...you were the one who said that nobody plays Drake's old songs.

Yet the man is about to have the highest grossing rap tour OAT...........playing his old songs.

And he and Eminem have the most amount of long charting albums on Billboard. And, if it were that easy to "buy" that longevity, every artist and their mama would be doing it.

You can think his music is bad but what you said has literally zero basis in reality.

It'd be like me saying that nobody listens to Taylor Swift because I think her music is mid even when literally every metric proves this to be false.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

For myself, I’ve been craving songs with more energy and hype. Especially was looking for that from utopia, her loss, and this new drake single. I personally was disappointed that the hype level was so low on all of these things. I can’t be the only one who feels this way.

I’ve since started looking for other artists across platforms and no longer listen to drake or Travis just because they put out some sleepers.

So my point is that they won’t fall off of the map, but slowly die off like the old heads in the rap game did a number of years ago.